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1. 04:44 AM - Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? ()
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (N395V)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (David Nelson)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (Aaron Gustafson)
5. 09:10 AM - help me choose my electric system (Lincoln Keill)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (Ben Westfall)
9. 10:37 AM - where is Z-11? (Lincoln Keill)
10. 11:20 AM - Re: Jabiru 3300 Schematic and "solid state contactors" (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 11:22 AM - Re: Master switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 11:24 AM - Re: (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (Sam Chambers)
14. 11:28 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (mike humphrey)
15. 11:43 AM - Re: where is Z-11? (Michael T. Ice)
16. 11:44 AM - Re: Master switch (John Swanson)
17. 11:49 AM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (Joemotis@aol.com)
18. 11:53 AM - Re: Antenna Grounding (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 12:04 PM - Re: Antenna Grounding (BobsV35B@aol.com)
20. 12:31 PM - Re: where is Z-11? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 12:40 PM - Re: where is Z-11? (Joe Ronco)
22. 12:44 PM - Re: Antenna Grounding (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
23. 12:45 PM - Re: where is Z-11? (Joe Ronco)
24. 01:18 PM - LEDs LEDs LEDs (Eric M. Jones)
25. 02:05 PM - Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (messydeer)
26. 03:33 PM - Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? (Tim Olson)
27. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
28. 05:31 PM - Re: where is Z-11? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
29. 05:51 PM - Re: (Dj Merrill)
30. 06:39 PM - Re: Antenna Grounding (Jeff Page)
31. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (Ernest Christley)
32. 08:25 PM - Re: (HDMI Cables) Aspen Avionics panel (Henador Titzoff)
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| Subject: | Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon healthy in
the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics all electric Horizon/HSI
looks like a great alternative! And compared to other similar avionics
packages, it is very economical! Anybody have thoughts on the Aspen unit?
Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video players the
other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks just for the cable
that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made of unobtainium or what?
I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice salesperson assure me of the fact
that the quality of the picture is dependent on getting the ex$pensive cable!
And I thought avionics stuff was cost intensive!
Paul Siegel N4431Z
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
Paul,
I agree it looks really teriffic and their stated pricing is competetive with the
experimental stuff. Unfortunately they are not producing/shipping them so there
is no track record history. They certainly bear watching.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152308#152308
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
Hi Paul,
I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express and I can't help with your artificial
horizon question. However, I may be able to shed of information on your HDMI
cable:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=828972#M828972
I've been told (haven't done it myself), that the following is a decent place
to get A/V/Computer cables, etc:
http://www.monoprice.com/
Regards,
/\/elson
RV-7A - Prepping for interior paint
Austin, TX
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, psiegel@fuse.net wrote:
>
> I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon healthy
> in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics all electric
> Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared to other similar
> avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have thoughts on the Aspen
> unit?
>
> Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video players
> the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks just for the
> cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made of unobtainium
> or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice salesperson assure me of
> the fact that the quality of the picture is dependent on getting the
> ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff was cost intensive!
>
> Paul Siegel N4431Z
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
>>>>Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video
>>>>players the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks
>>>>just for the cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable
>>>>made of unobtainium or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice
>>>>salesperson assure me of the fact that the quality of the picture is
>>>>dependent on getting the ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff
>>>>was cost intensive!<<<<<
Just a look at an electronics supply catalog will convince you that cable
and wire are not cheap even the everyday common stuff. Specialty cables are
ridiculous.
Aaron G.
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| Subject: | help me choose my electric system |
I'm building an RV-7A which will have a one magneto and one Lightspeed CDI ignition
system. It will be certified initially as a VFR day/night aircraft with
bare bones instrumentation (one comm & xnpdr) but with the hope that someday I
can save enough $$$ to equip it with a Garmin GNS 430, Dynon D-180, TruTrak Pictorial
Pilot and turn it into an IFR machine. (I'm planning on installing all
necessary the antennas/wiring now to do that).
I'm soliciting opinions as to which electrical system would best suit this particular
approach. Reading through Bob's great book, I think either Z-11, Z-12
or Z-13/8 or Z-13/20 but I'd love to hear the opinion of anyone & everyone who
has gone through this selection process. Thanks.
Lincoln Keill
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets |
At 04:14 PM 12/14/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I will be routing 7-10 wires through the lightening holes of the leading
>edge ribs from the fuselage to the wingtip for landing (and maybe taxi)
>lights and nav/strobe/pos lights. Gauges vary from 10-20, average size 18.
>Distance between ribs is 10. The skins will be riveted shut after
>wiring installation. Terminal connections are not an issue yet, since
>there will be no lights added until the fuselage and rest of the plane
>near completion. Ill have a foot or so extra dangling out the tip end,
>and maybe more in the fuselage for the detaching wings of my Sonex.
>
>The wires will stay more than 3/8 away from the edges of the lightening
>holes, so no grommets will be needed. Attached is a pic from
>Aeroelectric.com that illustrates this.
>
> >From the pitot tube inward, these brackets will also support 2 nygon
> tubes for the pitot tube. There will be a sag of In the wires with
> normal hand pressure present between the rib mounted brackets. Padded
> Adel clamps MS-21919 will fasten the wires to the bracket, tight enough
> to not allow the bundle to move through the clamp when a slight axial
> pull is applied. Vinyl electrical tape could be used between the bundle
> and clamp to achieve this fit, if necessary.
>
>Tying or lacing seems unnecessary, since the supports are less than 12
>inches apart. But in another place in Chapter 11, AC43.13, it says ties
>should be installed on service loop harnesses at 4 to 6-inch
>intervals. Im not sure what a service loop harness is. The
>heading of this section looks like this: 10. SERVICE LOOP HARNESSES
>(Plastic Tie Strips) Do I need a tie between the clamps, or not? If ties
>are needed, would simply using short lengths of lacing tied in a clove
>hitch and square knot be okay? Or would it have to be one continual length
>of string?
>
>Any suggestions appreciated!
None of the illustrations you've cited are a requirement
of any kind . . . nor are they intended to be any
sort of ordered good-better-best approach to keeping
bundles neat.
If your wires are adequately supported from coming
into contact with structure, then any form of bundling
between supports is up to you. Industry practices suggest
4-6" between ties but if you leave them off, there is
no hazard to the wires only to your aura of craftsmanship.
Chapter 11 of AC43-13 at . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/FAA/AC43.13-1B_Ch11_Electrical.pdf
speaks to industry standard practices.
I prefer string ties and would probably place them
at intervals not to exceed 6". Use this article
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/cable_lace/cable_lace.html
as a guide.
But even if you do no more than what you've described
in terms of bundle support, you're not going to find
yourself spiralling out of the sky trailing smoke
and wishing that you had put on one more string tie.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List: |
At 12:48 PM 12/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Aaron Gustafson wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have the AEC book but don't remember this. Can you clue me in
>
><http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html>
>
>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
Don't know what your question is. The article cite
is but one of dozens of compact, low cost solutions for
(1) dealing with those pesky little wires that come out
of a MAC/RayAllen servo and (2) adding a convenient service
disconnect of the device from ship's wiring for maintenance.
If you're considering an alternative technology, it's probably
fine too.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
Paul,
If you are referring to an HDMI cable (or any other digital cable for that
matter) save your money. Try looking for generic ones on
http://www.newegg.com or some similar computer place. There was a good
article this month in Popular Mechanics that put several cables to the test.
One $15 cable and two $100-300 varieties. Nobody could tell a difference.
It is all sales hype (for digital signals at least).
Digital signals, such as those sent across HDMI cables, are a stream of
binary 1's and 0's across the cable. As long as the bits make it from one
end of the cable to the next and the 1's are still 1's and the 0's are still
0's you will get the exact same picture quality regardless of the cable
being used.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
psiegel@fuse.net
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:12 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true?
I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon healthy
in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics all electric
Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared to other similar
avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have thoughts on the
Aspen unit?
Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video players
the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks just for the
cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made of unobtainium
or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice salesperson assure me of
the fact that the quality of the picture is dependent on getting the
ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff was cost intensive!
Paul Siegel N4431Z
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I'm starting the tenative steps towards figuring out which electrical system to
use on my RV-7A and can't find the Z-11 diagram (single-battery, single alternator
system) in the Aeroelectric Connection book. I actually have page Z-11
but it's not a schematic, just the text description of the notes on the other
schematics. I have revision zzJ (07/06). Anyone? Thanks.
Lincoln Keill
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | RE: Jabiru 3300 Schematic and "solid state contactors" |
There's another issue with respect to substituting the
silicon marvels for a metalic switching device as a battery
contactor . . . battery contactors are noted for their
ability to carry current equally well in BOTH directions.
I.e., the contactor must allow current FROM the battery
to start the engine and power useful goodies in case of
alternator failure. The contactor must also carry current
TO the battery to recharge it.
The present state of the art for solid state contactors
makes them VERY good substitutes for carrying current
one way (under 1 milliohm) but not good at going the
other way.
Bob . . .
At 05:29 PM 12/14/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>When I raised exactly the same point a couple of months ago in re: the Rotax
>20A alternator, I was quickly reminded that the starter current is a wee bit
>more than the 20A that the SS relay can handle.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rob Housman
>
>
>The standard alternator for the Jabiru 3300 is rated at 20-amps.
>
>Would a solid state relay, such as the AEC3030 or the Perhellion PowerLink
>Jr. III 35A Solid-State Relay, perform satisfactorily as the main battery
>contactor in the Z21A design?
>
>Has anyone tried using a solid state relay as a battery contactor?
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| Subject: | Re: Master switch |
At 11:43 AM 12/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>I need help in wiring a cessna style split Master Switch Batt/Alt
>into Z16 Rotax system. I'm using a single buss.
Not sure how to answer this. The S700-2-10
switch shown in Z-16 emulates the functions
of a split-rocker switch. I.e. wiring diagrams
for both switches is identical.
You might check the panel of a Cessna but
the switch as-mounted uses the right side
rocker as the battery master and the left
side as the alternator. A check with your
ohmmeter would confirm that the battery side
can be ON without having the alternator
side ON too . . .
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List: |
At 07:07 AM 12/14/2007 -0600, you wrote:
><agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
>I have the AEC book but don't remember this. Can you clue me in
>
>>>>heat shrink and hot gun trick that you've published to make connections <<<
>
>Aaron G.
Don't recognize the sentence. In what context was
it used? I.e., where did you see it published.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
This is another cable that gets great reports and I will be using them in my
new HT setup. There is also a lot of info about HD, audio, etc on the site.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/index.htm
Sam Chambers
Long-EZ N775AM
Glasgow, KY
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true?
> <david.nelson@pobox.com>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express and I can't help with your
> artificial horizon question. However, I may be able to shed of
> information on your HDMI cable:
>
> http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&message.id=828972#M828972
>
> I've been told (haven't done it myself), that the following is a decent
> place to get A/V/Computer cables, etc:
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/
>
> Regards,
> /\/elson
> RV-7A - Prepping for interior paint
> Austin, TX
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, psiegel@fuse.net wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon
>> healthy in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics
>> all electric Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared to
>> other similar avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have
>> thoughts on the Aspen unit?
>>
>> Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video
>> players the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks
>> just for the cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made
>> of unobtainium or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice
>> salesperson assure me of the fact that the quality of the picture is
>> dependent on getting the ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff
>> was cost intensive!
>>
>> Paul Siegel N4431Z
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
Paul,
HDMI cables are outrageous in their price. Just got a new plasma and went
through the same disbelief. 1080i is to most lay people just as good as a
HD video player. Still need the HDMI cable though but I would hold off on
the HD video player until the prices become more reasonable. PS3 or Xbox
will play HD DVD's, if you have one.
Do you need a NIB Rapco Vac Kit for your Super Cub? Maybe that is the
culprit in killing off your AH. Have one if interested-never installed and
complete.
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: <psiegel@fuse.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true?
>
> I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon
> healthy in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics
> all electric Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared to
> other similar avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have
> thoughts on the Aspen unit?
>
> Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video players
> the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks just for
> the cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made of
> unobtainium or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice salesperson
> assure me of the fact that the quality of the picture is dependent on
> getting the ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff was cost
> intensive!
>
> Paul Siegel N4431Z
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: where is Z-11? |
Lincoln,
Hmm! Interesting situation. Try going to Bob's web site and downloading the Z-11.
Mike Ice
Baffles and cowling
----- Original Message -----
From: Lincoln Keill
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: where is Z-11?
I'm starting the tenative steps towards figuring out which electrical system
to use on my RV-7A and can't find the Z-11 diagram (single-battery, single alternator
system) in the Aeroelectric Connection book. I actually have page Z-11
but it's not a schematic, just the text description of the notes on the other
schematics. I have revision zzJ (07/06). Anyone? Thanks.
Lincoln Keill
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Master switch |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Master switch
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> At 11:43 AM 12/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>I need help in wiring a cessna style split Master Switch Batt/Alt
>>into Z16 Rotax system. I'm using a single buss.
>
> Not sure how to answer this. The S700-2-10
> switch shown in Z-16 emulates the functions
> of a split-rocker switch. I.e. wiring diagrams
> for both switches is identical.
>
> You might check the panel of a Cessna but
> the switch as-mounted uses the right side
> rocker as the battery master and the left
> side as the alternator. A check with your
> ohmmeter would confirm that the battery side
> can be ON without having the alternator
> side ON too . . .
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
>That helps, i already had the split switch before i discovered Z-16
i'm going to wire the batt side direct to the hot side of the battery
contactor.
is that correct? i'm going with one buss .
Thanks
John S
CH701 rotax 912
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
More of the same hype concerns "Monster cables"
Monster is right in the amount of hype in my opinion.
Here is a quick cut and paste from Wiki so take it as you will...
[_edit_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monster_Cable_Products&action=edit§ion=2) ] Controversy
[_edit_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monster_Cable_Products&action=edit§ion=3) ] Quality and Pricing
Monster Cable and similar "boutique" cables are a main source of revenue for
retailers of electronics such as DVD players and TVs. While the margins of
DVD players and TVs are usually quite low, the high margins of Monster Cables
and similar products provide important revenue for these retailers. The heavy
marketing and corresponding bundling of Monster Cable and similar products
are de-facto procedures for employees at these resellers.
Whether Monster cables actually provide better quality sound or video than
generic cables is a highly debated topic among the audio and videophile
communities. Various reviews have reported that listeners and viewers are unable
to
tell a difference between substantially higher-priced Monster cables and
inexpensive cables
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Grounding |
At 09:10 AM 12/14/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><lamphere@vabb.com>
>
>I'm curious ...
>
>if the body of the antenna in question is non-conductive, what difference
>does it make to use the gasket or not? Wouldn't the grounding of the
>outside/shield of the bnc connector be the important connection (if there
>is to be one) with respect to mounting?? And how would that be established??
>
>Thanking you in advance for your experienced technical response,
The outer shield of the coax wants to
become well connected to the aircraft skin.
This happens by virtue of good connections to
the outside shell of a BNC connector on the
coax which makes good connection with the
connector on the antenna's base plate which
in turn should be well connected to the skin.
This is why the areas marked (*) in photo cited
are critical both with respect to cleanliness
to bare metal but also clamp-up forces for the
purpose of attaining gas-tight joints.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Grounding |
Good Afternoon Bob,
I have seen references that suggested using Alodine 1001 or 1003 on the
areas that have been cleaned.
Any comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 12/15/2007 1:55:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nuckolls.bob@cox.net writes:
The outer shield of the coax wants to
become well connected to the aircraft skin.
This happens by virtue of good connections to
the outside shell of a BNC connector on the
coax which makes good connection with the
connector on the antenna's base plate which
in turn should be well connected to the skin.
This is why the areas marked (*) in photo cited
are critical both with respect to cleanliness
to bare metal but also clamp-up forces for the
purpose of attaining gas-tight joints.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: where is Z-11? |
At 06:56 AM 12/15/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm starting the tenative steps towards figuring out which electrical
>system to use on my RV-7A and can't find the Z-11 diagram (single-battery,
>single alternator system) in the Aeroelectric Connection book. I actually
>have page Z-11 but it's not a schematic, just the text description of the
>notes on the other schematics. I have revision zzJ (07/06). Anyone? Thanks.
Sorry 'bout that. The printer screwed up Appendix
Z in the last printing . . . but then, the printed
paper copies are probably obsolete before the ink
is dry on the paper.
For the latest versions, one is encouraged to keep
an eye on . . .
http://aeroelectric.com/whatsnew.html
. . . for the latest iteration of this continuously
evolving information.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Try this link:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/
Joe Ronco
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
T. Ice
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: where is Z-11?
Lincoln,
Hmm! Interesting situation. Try going to Bob's web site and downloading the
Z-11.
Mike Ice
Baffles and cowling
----- Original Message -----
From: Lincoln Keill <mailto:airlincoln@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: where is Z-11?
I'm starting the tenative steps towards figuring out which electrical system
to use on my RV-7A and can't find the Z-11 diagram (single-battery, single
alternator system) in the Aeroelectric Connection book. I actually have
page Z-11 but it's not a schematic, just the text description of the notes
on the other schematics. I have revision zzJ (07/06). Anyone? Thanks.
Lincoln Keill
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Grounding |
At 03:02 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Good Afternoon Bob,
>
>I have seen references that suggested using Alodine 1001 or 1003 on the
>areas that have been cleaned.
>
>Any comment?
Yeah, one can probably demonstrate a modicum of
"protection" for such chemically induced films.
Bottom line is that these ARE chemically induced
layers that are exceedingly thin. If one's airplane
is billeted in a salt-air or high humidity environment,
then the improvement for having taken prophylactic
measures such as brushed on films is difficult
to demonstrate.
Actually, a silicone grease is probably a better
bet. The compression strength of the grease is on
the order of .001 PSI while clamp-up forces in
the joint will me thousands of PSI. Any grease
in a potential metal-to-metal joint will be
extruded out . . . while voids in the finished
joint will still be filled with the grease.
I'd stand Dow Corning DC-4 up against Alodine
chem films in a heartbeat. On the other hand,
two surfaces clamped together in a gas-tight
bond, then NO additional corrosion proofing is
necessary or useful.
Bob . . .
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Try this link:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/
Joe Ronco
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
T. Ice
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: where is Z-11?
Lincoln,
Hmm! Interesting situation. Try going to Bob's web site and downloading the
Z-11.
Mike Ice
Baffles and cowling
----- Original Message -----
From: Lincoln Keill <mailto:airlincoln@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:56 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: where is Z-11?
I'm starting the tenative steps towards figuring out which electrical system
to use on my RV-7A and can't find the Z-11 diagram (single-battery, single
alternator system) in the Aeroelectric Connection book. I actually have
page Z-11 but it's not a schematic, just the text description of the notes
on the other schematics. I have revision zzJ (07/06). Anyone? Thanks.
Lincoln Keill
Sacramento, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets |
Thanks, Bob :-)
If I get the lacing string before buttoning up the wings, I'll prolly tie the bundle
in the middle of each bay. It sounds like the lacing string is easy to apply
and less hazardous than plastic cable ties, so I'll break down and pay the
$20 for a quarter mile of it.
Cheers,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true? |
I hate to even jump in, considering how OT this all is, but
I found myself with these problems in the past couple weeks too
once I got a HD-TV. First, check amazon.com for the cables. I
bought far more varied types of cables than I even needed, and
bought a bunch of HDMI-HDMI and HDMI-DVI and S/PDIF and other
cables. They were dirt cheap. Well under $10 for pretty much
anything, and they even worked fine! Then I found out what
really sucks....if you want to tape your favorite shows and
watch them later, it's time to start finding better ways, because
VCR's will suck. I ended up going with a couple of MyHD MDP-130
cards in some old small form-factor PC's that can record shows
to a hard drive in full HD and play them back later.
Anyway, it's not aviation related, except the first thing I did
when I got things hooked up is cranked up the stereo and played
my DVD's of "Pearl Harbor". Fun stuff. HD definitely is one
of those things that it's hard to just jump in a little...you can
easily get swept up into more than you planned.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> If you are referring to an HDMI cable (or any other digital cable for that
> matter) save your money. Try looking for generic ones on
> http://www.newegg.com or some similar computer place. There was a good
> article this month in Popular Mechanics that put several cables to the test.
> One $15 cable and two $100-300 varieties. Nobody could tell a difference.
> It is all sales hype (for digital signals at least).
>
> Digital signals, such as those sent across HDMI cables, are a stream of
> binary 1's and 0's across the cable. As long as the bits make it from one
> end of the cable to the next and the 1's are still 1's and the 0's are still
> 0's you will get the exact same picture quality regardless of the cable
> being used.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> psiegel@fuse.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:12 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true?
>
>
> I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon healthy
> in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics all electric
> Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared to other similar
> avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have thoughts on the
> Aspen unit?
>
> Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video players
> the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks just for the
> cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made of unobtainium
> or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice salesperson assure me of
> the fact that the quality of the picture is dependent on getting the
> ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff was cost intensive!
>
> Paul Siegel N4431Z
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets |
At 02:01 PM 12/15/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Thanks, Bob :-)
>
>If I get the lacing string before buttoning up the wings, I'll prolly tie
>the bundle in the middle of each bay. It sounds like the lacing string is
>easy to apply and less hazardous than plastic cable ties, so I'll break
>down and pay the $20 for a quarter mile of it.
It's nice stuff . . . and after 40 years of
herding wire, it's still my favorite "lasso".
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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At 01:41 PM 12/15/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Try this link:
>
>
><http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/>http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/
I checked that folder and found a couple of out-of-date
and missing drawings. The folder has just been updated
with a complete set of the latest drawings to bring it
into alignment with the posted version of Appendix Z.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------)
( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List: |
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>>>>> heat shrink and hot gun trick that you've published to make
>>>>> connections <<<
>>
>
> Don't recognize the sentence. In what context was
> it used? I.e., where did you see it published.
>
Hi Bob,
It is published on your website at
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Grounding |
Actually the bottom of the base is plated steel. The visible part of
the base, holding the antenna seems to be fiberglass. So the heads of
the screws hold onto fiberglass. The steel bottom of the antenna will
be touching the aluminum skin provided I do not install the cork
gasket. The BNC connector is on the bottom of course.
Jeff Page
> Time: 06:09:12 AM PST US
> From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <lamphere@vabb.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Antenna Grounding
>
> I'm curious ...
>
> if the body of the antenna in question is non-conductive, what difference
> does it make to use the gasket or not? Wouldn't the grounding of the
> outside/shield of the bnc connector be the important connection (if there is
> to be one) with respect to mounting?? And how would that be established??
>
> Thanking you in advance for your experienced technical response,
>
> Dave L.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets |
messydeer wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bob :-)
>
> If I get the lacing string before buttoning up the wings, I'll prolly tie the
bundle in the middle of each bay. It sounds like the lacing string is easy to
apply and less hazardous than plastic cable ties, so I'll break down and pay
the $20 for
The hardware big-box stores carry rolls of velcro designed to hold wires
in bundles. The first rotation goes through a loop that locks the thing
together. Two rotations, and you can hang from it. It is as easy to
apply and as strong as zip-ties, but shouldn't erode steel tubes
(because you put the nice felt side against the tube).
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| Subject: | Re: (HDMI Cables) Aspen Avionics panel |
Paul,
Several others have told you about the rip off schemes that retailers use to sell
you very expensive HDMI and other cables. Some of them have given you links
to places that have cheaper but just as good cables. Here is another one that
I use. Their product is outstanding and very inexpensive, thus debunking the
sales hype that expensive cables are needed to correctly pass digital HDMI
data:
http://www.mycablemart.com/
Good luck with your projects.
Henador Titzoff
Airplane Buff(er)
----- Original Message ----
From: "psiegel@fuse.net" <psiegel@fuse.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:12:13 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Aspen Avionics panel: Too good to be true?
I'm finding it impossible to keep a vacuum driven artificial horizon
healthy in the panel of my 180 horse Super Cub. The new Aspen Avionics
all electric Horizon/HSI looks like a great alternative! And compared
to other similar avionics packages, it is very economical! Anybody have
thoughts on the Aspen unit?
Speaking of economical...while looking at plasma TV's and HD video
players the other day, I discovered that they want over a hundred bucks
just for the cable that runs between the two units!!! Is that cable made
of unobtainium or what? I sense a consumer rip-off, but the nice
salesperson assure me of the fact that the quality of the picture is
dependent on getting the ex$pensive cable! And I thought avionics stuff was
cost intensive!
Paul Siegel N4431Z
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