AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Sun 12/16/07


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 02:48 AM - Re:  (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     2. 02:59 AM - SPA-400 wiring (Peter Mather)
     3. 05:25 AM - Re: SPA-400 wiring (Vernon Little)
     4. 07:22 AM - Re:  (Dj Merrill)
     5. 10:52 AM - Re:  (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     6. 12:05 PM - Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (Eric M. Jones)
     7. 12:09 PM - Re:  (Aaron Gustafson)
     8. 12:23 PM - Proper Wire Size for 60 Amp Alt? Aeroelectric Discrepancy? (tx_jayhawk)
     9. 01:18 PM - Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (messydeer)
    10. 01:31 PM - Battery Question? (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    11. 02:22 PM - Re: Battery Question? (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    12. 02:38 PM - Re: Battery Question? (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    13. 03:29 PM - Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets (Eric M. Jones)
    14. 03:32 PM - Re: Battery Question? (Richard T. Schaefer)
    15. 03:33 PM - Re: Proper Wire Size for 60 Amp Alt? Aeroelectric Discrepancy? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    16. 07:58 PM - Re: Battery Question? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    17. 08:07 PM - Re: Battery Question? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    18. 08:41 PM - Re: Battery Question? (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    19. 08:45 PM - Re: Battery Question? (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    20. 09:55 PM - Re: Battery Question? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    21. 09:55 PM - Re: Battery Question? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:48:00 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: ectric-List:
    At 08:51 PM 12/15/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > >>>>> heat shrink and hot gun trick that you've published to make > >>>>> connections <<< > >> > > > > > Don't recognize the sentence. In what context was > > it used? I.e., where did you see it published. > > > >Hi Bob, > It is published on your website at >http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html Okay, what is your question? Bob . . .


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    Time: 02:59:59 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Mather" <peter@mather.com>
    Subject: SPA-400 wiring
    Hi all I'm installing a Sigtronics SPA-400 intercom and need help on a couple of questions. First the intercomunit only has one ground connection rather than a separate power ground and an avionics ground. The radio has both. My plan is to create an avionics ground plane using a DSUB adjacent to the intercom, wire this to the power ground and then terminate the intercom's only ground and the radio avionics ground on this - does this make sense? What should I use as the shield on the wires to the radio - a separate connections to the avionics ground plane left unterminated at the radio? Secondly, based on the Sigtronics wiring diagram, the headphone output from the SPA-400 ties directly to the headphone output from the radio and all of the headphone sockets hang off this conection. Every other intercom/audio panel I've seen has the radio headphone output as an input and then has one or more separate outputs for the phone sockets. How does this work ifor the SPA-400? Is the SPA-400 making some assumptions about the electrical characteristics of headphone output of the radio? It seems odd to be tying two outputs together but since there are so many SPA-400's around I assume its OK? Any comments gratefully appreciated Best Regards Peter


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    Time: 05:25:32 AM PST US
    From: "Vernon Little" <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
    Subject: SPA-400 wiring
    Hi Peter, the SPA-400 works fine as long as you follow their appnotes. Most comm radios will require a resistor (500 ohms or so) in series with the output in order to function properly. The Sigtronics intercoms use a passive bus technique which has the advantage of working even with an electrical failure in the intercom circuit. As with most intercoms, wiring all of those shielded wires is a major pain. You can check out the AMX-1A from Vx Aviation here: http://vx-aviation.com/ It solves all of the grounding and matching required to connect a number of different audio sources, and makes shield connections simple. It' sold by Aircraft Extras http://www.aircraftextras.com Thanks, Vern Little RV-9A -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Mather Sent: December 16, 2007 2:59 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: SPA-400 wiring --> <peter@mather.com> Hi all I'm installing a Sigtronics SPA-400 intercom and need help on a couple of questions. First the intercomunit only has one ground connection rather than a separate power ground and an avionics ground. The radio has both. My plan is to create an avionics ground plane using a DSUB adjacent to the intercom, wire this to the power ground and then terminate the intercom's only ground and the radio avionics ground on this - does this make sense? What should I use as the shield on the wires to the radio - a separate connections to the avionics ground plane left unterminated at the radio? Secondly, based on the Sigtronics wiring diagram, the headphone output from the SPA-400 ties directly to the headphone output from the radio and all of the headphone sockets hang off this conection. Every other intercom/audio panel I've seen has the radio headphone output as an input and then has one or more separate outputs for the phone sockets. How does this work ifor the SPA-400? Is the SPA-400 making some assumptions about the electrical characteristics of headphone output of the radio? It seems odd to be tying two outputs together but since there are so many SPA-400's around I assume its OK? Any comments gratefully appreciated Best Regards Peter


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    Time: 07:22:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: ectric-List:
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> It is published on your website at >> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html > > Okay, what is your question? > > Bob . . . A bit of confusion here I think... :-) I mentioned using the heat shrink and glue approach using the 9 pin D-subs in a post to you, and someone else asked where that information was located since they could not find it in your book, and I replied with the link to the website. You then asked where it was published, so I just responded to your question... -Dj -- Dj Merrill Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 http://deej.net/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005


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    Time: 10:52:24 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: ectric-List:
    At 10:21 AM 12/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > >> Hi Bob, > >> It is published on your website at > >> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html > > > > Okay, what is your question? > > > > Bob . . . > > A bit of confusion here I think... :-) Yup, I can usually keep 3 or 4 balls in the air at once but I think I dropped one this time. Thanks! Bob . . .


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    Time: 12:05:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets
    From: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
    I sell the Panduit LHMS "Lightening Hole Mounting Saddles" on my website to do this wiring job. See: http://www.periheliondesign.com/glastarparts.htm I don't know who talked Panduit into making these-- they sell very few of these per year. Panduit usually won't touch a part if they can't sell billions. Free sample on prospect of selling a hundred or so. -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152543#152543


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    Time: 12:09:55 PM PST US
    From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: ectric-List:
    Thanks, Bob & Dj. Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" <deej@deej.net> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: > Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >>>>>> heat shrink and hot gun trick that you've published to make >>>>>> connections <<< >> Don't recognize the sentence. In what context was >> it used? I.e., where did you see it published. > Hi Bob, > It is published on your website at > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html


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    Time: 12:23:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Proper Wire Size for 60 Amp Alt? Aeroelectric Discrepancy?
    From: "tx_jayhawk" <tx_jayhawk@excite.com>
    I'm assuming this is a misprint in the book, but the discrepancy is causing me to pause and question... What is the proper B-lead wire size for a 60 amp alt (assuming everything is mounted FW forward and wire lengths are "std")? My copy of AC 43.13 says 6 AWG should be protected by 80 amps on CB and 70 amps on fuse, and it seems 6 should be appropriate. My Aeroelectric book rev 10A (and several current downloadable drawings) shows 6 AWG on some drawings with 60 amp (ref Z-12) and 4 AWG on others (ref Z-13). In fact, Z-14 shows 4 AWG with a 40 amp alternator. Given we know alternators are current limited (don't go above their rating...SD-20 aside), what would be the purpose to have 4 AWG in the above cases? Or, am I correct to assume they are misprints? Thanks, Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152549#152549


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    Time: 01:18:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets
    From: "messydeer" <messydeer@yahoo.com>
    Looks interesting, Eric. Does it provide the required 3/8" stand-off from the edge of the metal? I have 13 ribs per wing, so for the wires I'd only need 26. Maybe more if I could adapt them to safely securing the 2 pitot tube lines. So 40 is the most I'd need and would be happy with a sample. Cheers, Dan -------- Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152556#152556


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    Time: 01:31:58 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Battery Question?
    Good Afternoon, I am sure this information is available somewhere in 'Lectric Bob's extensive library, but my searching skills are almost non existent. I have the need for a twenty-eight volt battery set up for testing purposes. I would imagine something that would supply ten to fifteen ampere hours would be more than enough. I do have several controllable bench power supplies to provide reasonable amperage and voltage, but a couple of twelve volt units in parallel would give me a nice stabilizing and cushioning device. Could any one suggest a source of low cost batteries that might be suitable for use with a bench power supply? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 02:22:48 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    Good Afternoon All, Just as an addendum to my previous request, I did a google search and came up with something I thought may work. Interstate Batteries lists a Power Patrol battery that seems about the right size. It is listed as being a 7.5 AH battery with a potential of handling 80 amps for up to five seconds and fifty amps continuously (For not long I would suppose!) They also have a nice, though more expensive, unit that has an 18 AH rating and can handle 250 amps for five seconds, eighty amps continuously. The big one would probably even handle a gear retraction or two! I am leaning toward the purchase of a couple of the smaller ones. Any comments at all? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 3:33:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, BobsV35B@aol.com writes: Could any one suggest a source of low cost batteries that might be suitable for use with a bench power supply? **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 02:38:14 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    OOOPS!! Should have said series as in: "I do have several controllable bench power supplies to provide reasonable amperage and voltage, but a couple of twelve volt units in series would give me a nice stabilizing and cushioning device." Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 3:33:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, BobsV35B@aol.com writes: I do have several controllable bench power supplies to provide reasonable amperage and voltage, but a couple of twelve volt units in parallel would give me a nice stabilizing and cushioning device. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 03:29:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets
    From: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
    > Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Wing Wiring Clamps and Brackets Looks interesting, Eric. > So 40 is the most I'd need and would be happy with a sample. > > Cheers, > Dan Dan, send address and email me offlist at emjones@charter.net -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152580#152580


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    Time: 03:32:17 PM PST US
    From: "Richard T. Schaefer" <schaefer@rts-services.com>
    Subject: Battery Question?
    You can get 12V 7.5 Amp/Hour batteries in lots of places cheap. They are used for: Emergency Exit Signs and Uninterruptable Power Supply (UPS) for computers. Check at your local big box hardware store in the electrical department or a local electrical or lighting supply house or check if there is a Batteries R US (Or something like that) near you. Series for big volts, parallel for big amps :-) r.t.s. _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery Question? OOOPS!! Should have said series as in: "I do have several controllable bench power supplies to provide reasonable amperage and voltage, but a couple of twelve volt units in series would give me a nice stabilizing and cushioning device." Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 3:33:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, BobsV35B@aol.com writes: I do have several controllable bench power supplies to provide reasonable amperage and voltage, but a couple of twelve volt units in parallel would give me a nice stabilizing and cushioning device. _____ See AOL's top <http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004> rated recipes and easy <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003> ways to stay in shape for winter.


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    Time: 03:33:08 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Proper Wire Size for 60 Amp Alt? Aeroelectric
    Discrepancy? At 12:14 PM 12/16/2007 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm assuming this is a misprint in the book, but the discrepancy is >causing me to pause and question... > >What is the proper B-lead wire size for a 60 amp alt (assuming everything >is mounted FW forward and wire lengths are "std")? > >My copy of AC 43.13 says 6 AWG should be protected by 80 amps on CB and 70 >amps on fuse, and it seems 6 should be appropriate. > >My Aeroelectric book rev 10A (and several current downloadable drawings) >shows 6 AWG on some drawings with 60 amp (ref Z-12) and 4 AWG on others >(ref Z-13). In fact, Z-14 shows 4 AWG with a 40 amp alternator. > >Given we know alternators are current limited (don't go above their >rating...SD-20 aside), what would be the purpose to have 4 AWG in the >above cases? Or, am I correct to assume they are misprints? The Z-figures are ARCHITECTURE drawings and not intended to specify the size of anything. Having said that, I would wire with 4AWG for all fat wires 'cause it's easily acquired at the welding supply store in nice, soft and easily worked wire. But if it rings your chimes to chase down a piece of 6AWG for that short run of wire, that's certainly okay too. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------


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    Time: 07:58:34 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    At 05:20 PM 12/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Good Afternoon All, > >Just as an addendum to my previous request, I did a google search and came >up with something I thought may work. > >Interstate Batteries lists a Power Patrol battery that seems about the >right size. It is listed as being a 7.5 AH battery with a potential of >handling 80 amps for up to five seconds and fifty amps continuously (For >not long I would suppose!) > >They also have a nice, though more expensive, unit that has an 18 AH >rating and can handle 250 amps for five seconds, eighty amps continuously. > >The big one would probably even handle a gear retraction or two! > >I am leaning toward the purchase of a couple of the smaller ones. Any >comments at all? Can your power supplies be cranked up to 14.2 or thereabouts? Also, you need to check and see how much (if any) current flows back into the power supplies when they are powered-down and still connected to batteries. Using batteries to augment bench supplies is not an unreasonable thing to consider. We used to do it in the two-way radio business all the time. Most radios ran nicely in the receive mode from a modest power supply but took 20+ Amps for some of the big honkers. We would float a battery across the power supply for temporary support of very intermittent loads. What kind of work are you wanting to accomplish with this supply? If it's a relatively low priority, occasional kind of activity, perhaps the batteries are your best bet . . . but they are like houseplants . . . you gotta take care of them. How much current do you need at 28V . . . or would 24.0 do the job? Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------


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    Time: 08:07:25 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    At 05:20 PM 12/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Good Afternoon All, > >Just as an addendum to my previous request, I did a google search and came >up with something I thought may work. > >Interstate Batteries lists a Power Patrol battery that seems about the >right size. It is listed as being a 7.5 AH battery with a potential of >handling 80 amps for up to five seconds and fifty amps continuously (For >not long I would suppose!) > >They also have a nice, though more expensive, unit that has an 18 AH >rating and can handle 250 amps for five seconds, eighty amps continuously. > >The big one would probably even handle a gear retraction or two! > >I am leaning toward the purchase of a couple of the smaller ones. Any >comments at all? Toss this idea in the hat. Theres a power supply on ebay right now at: http://tinyurl.com/2mzrkk For a total cost of about $50 you can have a power supply that will support 15A indefinitely and it's probably only a little more expensive than a pair of 7.5AH batteries. The best thing is that you don't have to water, fertilize or pray over it either! Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------


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    Time: 08:41:33 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    Good Evening Bob, "Can your power supplies be cranked up to 14.2 or thereabouts? Also, you need to check and see how much (if any) current flows back into the power supplies when they are powered-down and still connected to batteries." Darned if I know! The primary one that I hope to use is a variable power supply that is supposed to be capable of supplying up to 40 volts and 25 amperes. It is a Hewlett-Packard 6438B which means absolutely nothing to me! "What kind of work are you wanting to accomplish with this supply? If it's a relatively low priority, occasional kind of activity, perhaps the batteries are your best bet . . . but they are like houseplants . . . you gotta take care of them." I would like to use it to check out the aircraft systems. Primarily electronics, but also the flaps, lights and, maybe, even the retractable landing gear. My intent is to hook the batteries to the airplane in lieu of the standard battery and power the whole thing with the power supply set at twenty-eight volts. I hadn't considered leaving the power supply hooked up when not in use, but it would be interesting to know what would happen. I suppose I could hook an ammeter inline to see if there is any back flow. I really have no idea what the intermittent loads will be, but steady state would rarely exceed fifteen amps. More often five to ten Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 10:03:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, nuckolls.bob@cox.net writes: Using batteries to augment bench supplies is not an unreasonable thing to consider. We used to do it in the two-way radio business all the time. Most radios ran nicely in the receive mode from a modest power supply but took 20+ Amps for some of the big honkers. We would float a battery across the power supply for temporary support of very intermittent loads. How much current do you need at 28V . . . or would 24.0 do the job? Bob . . . **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 08:45:22 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    Good Evening Bob, When using that address, I seem to be getting a 24 to 12 converter! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 In a message dated 12/16/2007 10:12:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, nuckolls.bob@cox.net writes: Toss this idea in the hat. Theres a power supply on ebay right now at: http://tinyurl.com/2mzrkk **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 09:55:37 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    At 11:32 PM 12/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Good Evening Bob, > >"Can your power supplies be cranked up to 14.2 or thereabouts? > Also, you need to check and see how much (if any) current > flows back into the power supplies when they are powered-down > and still connected to batteries." > >Darned if I know! > >The primary one that I hope to use is a variable power supply that is >supposed to be capable of supplying up to 40 volts and 25 amperes. It is a >Hewlett-Packard 6438B which means absolutely nothing to me! Aha! These supplies have a crowbar ov protection system in them that triggers if you leave them connected across a battery and remove the incoming AC power. >"What kind of work are you wanting to accomplish with this > supply? If it's a relatively low priority, occasional kind > of activity, perhaps the batteries are your best bet . . . > but they are like houseplants . . . you gotta take care > of them." >I would like to use it to check out the aircraft systems. > > >Primarily electronics, but also the flaps, lights and, maybe, even the >retractable landing gear. My intent is to hook the batteries to the >airplane in lieu of the standard battery and power the whole thing with >the power supply set at twenty-eight volts. > >I hadn't considered leaving the power supply hooked up when not in use, >but it would be interesting to know what would happen. I suppose I could >hook an ammeter inline to see if there is any back flow. > >I really have no idea what the intermittent loads will be, but steady >state would rarely exceed fifteen amps. More often five to ten Okay, you need to build up a "shop power cart" consisting of two 12v batteries + the HP power supply. I had just such a critter for 1K1 while we owned it. I got a metal "projector cart" on wheels at Sam's Club. Office supply stores have them too. Or you can built it out of wood. I'll suggest that the 18 a.h. RG batteries that you mentioned would be MINIMUM. These will have tabs you can bolt up to. See: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Batteries/Panasonic/17AH.gif You'll also want to put some form of ON/OFF control on the cart. If you know someone that runs a TC aircraft bone yard, you can probably get your hands on a 6041 series contactor out of one of larger singles. See: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Contactors/Eaton_CH/6041SeriesPowerRelays.pdf Needs to be a 28v, 200A or larger device. Alternatively, you can use an el-cheeso White-Rogers device. See: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Contactors/Stancor-WhiteRogers/Stancor_70-Series.pdf You'll need a 70-903 or 70-907. You can get these from Allied Electronics at: http://tinyurl.com/2rnz43 also a fat diode on a heatsink to isolate the power supply from the battery to avoid the "crowbar" nuisance trip I cited earlier. See: http://www.vishay.com/docs/93162/93162ird.pdf Digikey has the IRD3911 in stock for about $9 at: http://tinyurl.com/yoqsn7 Nice fat heatsinks for these diodes are getting hard to find. Drop me your address and I'll mail you one. You'll also need a hardware store toggle switch, an ANL200 current limiter (don't leave this out!) and a nice, bright red PWR ON light for the cart to show when the output leads are hot. It would also be nice to have a voltmeter. I can fix you up with one. In operation, the battery cannot be connected to the airplane unless the HP supply is plugged in and turned on. The diode prevents backfeed that WILL damage your power supply. By the way, if you want to use the full output capability of HP supply, you'll need to wire it for 240 volts and run a 240 line cord to it. I have one of these on my bench and it will pop a 20A breaker when operating from 120 VAC and I try to load it to full output. You'll find this cart quite handy. In fact, with some minor additions, you could make it a 14/28 volt cart by connecting the batteries in parallel, changing the contactor to a 14v device and use a resistor in series for 28v operation. The indicator light is a little dim on 14v but if you've got a really obnoxious light for 28v service, it will be adequate at 14v. I had just such a cart and used it a lot. I had 12v car batteries instead of RG but otherwise it was the same setup. Of course it would crank an engine very smartly. My cart had "piper" style ground power plug on the end of the service output cord. I then fabricated some adapters to let me plug into a mil-std jack or attach directly to the b-lead of an alternator to emulate a running engine/alternator. This may seem like a lot of fuss . . . but you'll be glad you did it. Bob . . .


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    Time: 09:55:38 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Battery Question?
    ignore this and see earlier post . . . At 11:38 PM 12/16/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Good Evening Bob, > >When using that address, I seem to be getting a 24 to 12 converter! > >Happy Skies, > >Old Bob >AKA >Bob Siegfried >Ancient Aviator >Stearman N3977A >Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >Downers Grove, IL 60516 >630 985-8503 > >In a message dated 12/16/2007 10:12:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, >nuckolls.bob@cox.net writes: >Toss this idea in the hat. Theres a power supply on > ebay right now at: > >http://tinyurl.com/2mzrkk > > >---------- >See AOL's ><http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004>top rated >recipes and ><http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003>easy > ways to stay in shape for winter. > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > >incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------




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