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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (mike humphrey)
2. 01:34 AM - Re: Low voltage problem in a new plane (Werner Schneider)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Gary Ray)
4. 05:18 AM - Copper or Brass (John Morgensen)
5. 05:38 AM - Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Harley)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: Copper or Brass (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Harley)
8. 06:05 AM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 06:10 AM - Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 06:30 AM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (rd2@evenlink.com)
11. 07:12 AM - Re: Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . (Bill Boyd)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (N395V)
13. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Steve Thomas)
14. 07:45 AM - Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (N395V)
15. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Werner Schneider)
16. 08:22 AM - Wire Label Printer (jerb)
17. 09:10 AM - Re: Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . (Tim Andres)
18. 09:31 AM - Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (N395V)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Werner Schneider)
20. 11:29 AM - Re: Low voltage problem in a new plane (Les Goldner)
21. 12:57 PM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (Patrick ONeill)
22. 02:34 PM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (JOHN TIPTON)
23. 03:44 PM - Re: Good wire deal . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: Cesnna split switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
25. 04:10 PM - Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (N395V)
26. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes (Ed Anderson)
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Subject: | Re: Good wire deal . . . |
That should last me awhile. Picked up a 1000' roll.
Thanks for the tip, Happy Holidays Bob,
Mike H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Good wire deal . . .
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> hellofadeal on 22AWG high temp Mil-w-81044 wire
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/Mil-Specs/Mil-W-81044slash12.jpg
>
>
> on Ebay at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ys34l4
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Low voltage problem in a new plane |
Les,
2 things coming to my mind if you have the Dynon D10A (or the
D1007DEK180) do NOT connect the keep alive wire (pin 2 on the D10A) if
you have an internal battery, as it might drain your battery by
recharging the internal one. Upgrade your Dynon to the 3.x or 4.x software.
Ad I would advise you get into the setup menu of the D10A/100/180 enable
the info for the voltage on the right or left side. BTW even if you do
not have enabled this, when you shutdown one with internal battery and
have software 4.0 loaded the internal battery will show up during the
grace periode before total shutdown. Good thing to check the internal
battery voltage.
br Werner
Les Goldner wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob,
> You don't know how much this helped. I read your book and came to one of
> your weekend sessions but am still a total novice when it comes to
> understanding these systems.
> Have a great Christmas,
> Les
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
>> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:55 AM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Low voltage problem in a new plane
>>
>> --> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>>
>> At 10:00 PM 12/23/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> The low-voltage buss indicator light stays on in my new plane
>> and I would really appreciate help to understand what to do about it.
>>
>> I just finished building a Zenith 701 with a new 100-HP Rotax
>> 912 using your Aeroelectric's Z16 schematic. B&C did not have
>> the exact Alternator OV detection system shown in the
>> schematic and sold me their BC207-1 over and low voltage
>> control module that has a warning light which stays on for
>> under and flashes for over-voltage. The B&C web site says
>> that the low voltage light goes on if the Buss voltage is
>> under 12.5V. I wired this module exactly as shown in Z16.
>>
>> I presume that you tied the OV/LV warning
>> light into the main bus as shown in Z16 but
>> wired the module in accordance with instructions
>> provided with the device.
>>
>>
>> I flew the plane for the first time yesterday starting with a
>> fully charged battery and all seemed well. On the second
>> flight that day I noticed that the Alternator under voltage
>> (UV) light came on with the engine idling when the electric
>> fuel pump was on.
>>
>> The Rotax alternators don't give you much output at
>> idle or taxi speeds. It's possible if not probable that
>> the bus voltage was indeed too low to turn out the
>> LV warning light.
>>
>> Since I don't need the pump (fuel is gravity fed and the
>> engine has a mechanical pump) I just turned it off and may
>> have advanced the throttle beyond its high 2000-RPM idle. The
>> UV light went out as I did this.
>> I was happy and did my first solo flight in the plane for a
>> half hour without incident.
>>
>> Okay. This is pretty much what I would expect.
>>
>> Today, assuming the battery was fully charged (I did not
>> check it), I made some adjustments to the Dynon instrument
>> for about 30 minutes (drawing about 1 to 2-amps), and started
>> the engine for a few more go-arounds in the pattern. The
>> engine stared immediately so I guess the battery was charged
>> . However, the low-voltage light came on as soon as I
>> started-up and would not go off, even after a 10-minutes
>> warm-up, much of it above idle RPM, with almost nothing
>> electric turned on. When I taxied back to the hanger and shut
>> down (with the UV light still on) my battery voltage read
>> 12.3V (this is a new battery).
>>
>> Get a voltmeter and put it on the bus while you're
>> observing the Under-Voltage warning light. So far, the
>> observations you've reported seem pretty common. PM
>> alternators on the Rotax engines are, first of all,
>> small. The BIG guy on the 912 is an 18A machine and
>> then ONLY at cruise RPM. If you ran accessories on your
>> battery for a time, then it's going to take some time
>> to replace that energy . . . and it's not going to happen
>> fast except AFTER engine RPMs are raised to flight ops
>> levels.
>>
>> There are probably a lot of things I need to check to isolate
>> the problem and need advice as to how to go about doing this.
>> What is the most likely cause? What should I check first and
>> second, third. and how do I check them.
>> Here are some of my (probably dumb) more specific questions:
>>
>> For the moment, I don't see that your system is
>> performing in an unexpected manner. It's designed
>> in limitations for alternator output at low engine
>> RPM would account for what you've observed.
>>
>> Is this a definite problem or will the this under voltage
>> light come on as described above when there are no problems?
>> There are two fuselinks attached to the Alternator OV/UV
>> module. If one of these blew or got disconnected would it
>> cause this problem? Since this is easy to check, I plan to
>> look into this first.
>>
>> Is it possible that the problem is in the voltage regulator?
>> How do you check this out and determine if the regulator and
>> not the alternator is the cause?
>>
>> I'm not certain how to check the alternator or AC voltage.
>> First, is this a likely source of the problem? Second, if so
>> how do I check the alternator output? If the alternator is
>> bad I probably will have to remove the engine and find a
>> "real" repairman to fix it, so I hope the problem lies elsewhere.
>>
>> Any help would really be appreciated.
>>
>> Let us begin with the reasonable assumption that you
>> don't have a problem. Put a smart battery charger
>> on the battery and get it topped off. Then go fly
>> the airplane. Doesn't your Dynon have a voltage display
>> on it?
>>
>> I would expect the Low Volts warning to stay lit
>> until some time after takeoff. You can tell if the
>> alternator is working by watching the voltmeter.
>> At ramp idle and with electro-whizzies turned ON,
>> bus voltage will be decidedly less than 13.0 volts.
>>
>> As soon as you power up for takeoff, the bus voltage
>> should rise . . . not high enough perhaps to turn
>> out the light, but if the alternator is working at
>> all, bus voltage should come up with engine RPM.
>>
>> I'm betting the light will go out after a time sufficient
>> for the alternator to top off the battery.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> Photoshare, and much much more:
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes |
I have been playing with the www.Approach-Systems.com
APIS Program on my Laptop computer with a bluetooth GPS.
This seems to work well when I place it on the passengers seat.
If someone else is flying with me there is not enough room for the
computer and the passenger so here is the idea:
Place the computer onto the baggage shelf behind the seats.
Use a bluetooth mouse to control the computer program from my knee
board,
Find some way to embed a 7 or 8 inch lightweight remote VGA monitor on
the panel.
My computer has a VGA output port for a second monitor.
Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
players that could be used as the second monitor?
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The RV plans call for 2 copper bars made from .063 x 1/2 between the
master relay and the starter relay. Can I substitute 3 layers of brass
.040 x 1/2 made from a door kick plate?
John Morgensen
RV-9A fuselage
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out |
there but here goes
Morning, Gary...
And a Merry Christmas to you (and everyone on this list)...
>>Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
players that could be used as the second monitor<<
Here's a bunch of them...not cheap though...
This one looks like the best choice, IMO...
http://tinyurl.com/3524h
And here are some others:
www.millertech.com/housed-lcds.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yrkv59
www.xenarc.com/
http://tinyurl.com/2v2ksa
www.xoxide.com/tt-7in-lcd-display.html
http://tinyurl.com/3bkdvf
A Google search should produce some more...
Have fun!
Harley Dixon
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Gary Ray wrote:
> I have been playing with the www.Approach-Systems.com
> <http://www.Approach-Systems.com>
> APIS Program on my Laptop computer with a bluetooth GPS.
> This seems to work well when I place it on the passengers seat.
> If someone else is flying with me there is not enough room for the
> computer and the passenger so here is the idea:
>
> Place the computer onto the baggage shelf behind the seats.
> Use a bluetooth mouse to control the computer program from my knee board,
> Find some way to embed a 7 or 8 inch lightweight remote VGA monitor on
> the panel.
> My computer has a VGA output port for a second monitor.
>
> Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
> players that could be used as the second monitor?
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Copper or Brass |
At 05:17 AM 12/25/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>
>The RV plans call for 2 copper bars made from .063 x 1/2 between the
>master relay and the starter relay. Can I substitute 3 layers of brass
>.040 x 1/2 made from a door kick plate?
A single layer is fine. These conductors are
short and have VERY good heat rejection
characteristics (flat - lots of surface area).
0.040 material is fine. Brass is MUCH easier
to work with. However, it might be better to
make them .6 or so wide since you're drilling
.312 holes for the contactor studs. Better
edge margins . . .
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out |
there but here goes
Looking a little further, I noticed the other products offered at this
site that may interest some of us:
www.mp3playerstore.com/
They have both full TV monitors AND just displays that not only stand
alone, but are already mounted in rear view mirrors, sun visors, head
rests, etc. They also have tiny normal and night vision cameras that we
could use for monitoring hard to see spots in the car and plane (like
inside the cowl and in the retractable gear wells).
A lot of possibilities here!
Harley
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Harley wrote:
>
> Morning, Gary...
>
> And a Merry Christmas to you (and everyone on this list)...
>
> >>Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
> players that could be used as the second monitor<<
>
> Here's a bunch of them...not cheap though...
>
> This one looks like the best choice, IMO...
> http://tinyurl.com/3524h
>
> And here are some others:
>
> www.millertech.com/housed-lcds.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/yrkv59
> www.xenarc.com/
> http://tinyurl.com/2v2ksa
> www.xoxide.com/tt-7in-lcd-display.html
> http://tinyurl.com/3bkdvf
>
> A Google search should produce some more...
>
> Have fun!
>
> Harley Dixon
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Gary Ray wrote:
>> I have been playing with the www.Approach-Systems.com
>> <http://www.Approach-Systems.com> APIS Program on my Laptop computer
>> with a bluetooth GPS.
>> This seems to work well when I place it on the passengers seat.
>> If someone else is flying with me there is not enough room for the
>> computer and the passenger so here is the idea:
>>
>> Place the computer onto the baggage shelf behind the seats.
>> Use a bluetooth mouse to control the computer program from my knee
>> board,
>> Find some way to embed a 7 or 8 inch lightweight remote VGA monitor
>> on the panel.
>> My computer has a VGA output port for a second monitor.
>>
>> Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
>> players that could be used as the second monitor?
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Good wire deal . . . |
The first two spools are gone but here's another one:
http://tinyurl.com/2an8a8
At 03:03 AM 12/25/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>
>That should last me awhile. Picked up a 1000' roll.
>Thanks for the tip, Happy Holidays Bob,
>Mike H
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Subject: | Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . |
http://tinyurl.com/3ykt8x
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Re: Good wire deal . . . |
Also gone, checked about 1-1/2 hours after you posted this, Bob.
Please post again if you come across another one, maybe finally I can catch
up.
Rumen
and Merry X-mas to all.
do not archive
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 08:05 AM
12/25/2007 -0600)
________________________________________________________________
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
The first two spools are gone but here's another one:
http://tinyurl.com/2an8a8
At 03:03 AM 12/25/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>
>That should last me awhile. Picked up a 1000' roll.
>Thanks for the tip, Happy Holidays Bob,
>Mike H
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Subject: | Re: Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . |
I thought it was maybe going to be a link to Walgreen's dental floss ;-)
The seller has excellent feedback and some interesting listings for wire and
coax, too. His connector prices seemed to be aimed at the Pentagon/gov't
market. I can't bring myself to shell out $16 for a 9-pin D-sub (and $10
more for the back shell, when Bob has shown us that Shoe Goo will do!)
He's got enough magnet wire on that site to put radials under every vertical
antenna I ever dreamed of building, 500 times over.
-Bill B
On Dec 25, 2007 9:09 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3ykt8x
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes |
I bought one of these on e bay
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-VGA-TFT-Touch-Screen-Monitor-TV-for-Car-PC-GPS-A4_W0QQitemZ300182990845QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3698QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
Comes from Hong Kong which some may consider risky but I have bought several products
from the guy and have great service. If there is a problem he replaces
the unit no questions asked.
Any way I mount the computer under my seat (not an RV) and use a wireless mouse
and it works great. (as long as you fire up the computer before sitting down).
It also has an input for a lipstick or video camera I am going to mount under
the wing so I can see in front of me when I taxi and or video during flights.
Some photos can be seen here>>>>>
http://www.bearcataviation.com/album_frame.asp?forum=open&menuID=6~6
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154173#154173
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here |
goes
Whatever you decide, just remember; what will you do when you get the
blue-screen-of-death on your Windows computer? Or, just imagine being
in a critical situation and all you see is, "This Windows program has
quit unexpectedly - Do you want to send a report to Microsoft?"
Steve
On Dec 25, 2007, at 5:02 AM, Gary Ray wrote:
> I have been playing with the www.Approach-Systems.com
> APIS Program on my Laptop computer with a bluetooth GPS.
> This seems to work well when I place it on the passengers seat.
> If someone else is flying with me there is not enough room for the
> computer and the passenger so here is the idea:
>
> Place the computer onto the baggage shelf behind the seats.
> Use a bluetooth mouse to control the computer program from my knee
> board,
> Find some way to embed a 7 or 8 inch lightweight remote VGA monitor
> on the panel.
> My computer has a VGA output port for a second monitor.
>
> Are there any VGA monitors similar to those found on portable DVD
> players that could be used as the second monitor?
>
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes |
lists(at)stevet.net wrote:
> Whatever you decide, just remember; what will you do when you get the blue-screen-of-death
on your Windows computer? Or, just imagine being in a critical
situation and all you see is, "This Windows program has quit unexpectedly - Do
you want to send a report to Microsoft?"
> Steve
When I get the blue window of death and an invite to talk to bill gates I turn
the monitor off and fly the plane like I would on any other day of the week.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154181#154181
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here |
goes
Milt,
the offer looks tempting, however can you give any comparison about the
brightness and sun readability of that VGA screen compared to e.g. a
EFIS/EMS you have (please state brand).
Thanks a lot!
br
Werner
N395V wrote:
>
> I bought one of these on e bay
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/8-VGA-TFT-Touch-Screen-Monitor-TV-for-Car-PC-GPS-A4_W0QQitemZ300182990845QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3698QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
>
> Comes from Hong Kong which some may consider risky but I have bought several
products from the guy and have great service. If there is a problem he replaces
the unit no questions asked.
>
> Any way I mount the computer under my seat (not an RV) and use a wireless mouse
and it works great. (as long as you fire up the computer before sitting down).
It also has an input for a lipstick or video camera I am going to mount under
the wing so I can see in front of me when I taxi and or video during flights.
>
> Some photos can be seen here>>>>>
>
> http://www.bearcataviation.com/album_frame.asp?forum=open&menuID=6~6
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154173#154173
>
>
>
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Subject: | Wire Label Printer |
Hey Folks,
Some of you have been looking for in-expensive wire/cable label
printer. Happen to see the Lowe's in my area has a Rhino Label
Printer for printing wire labels. It's around $49 for the printer,
label tape is addition. You'll find it in the electrical dept. This
is what they call an In/Out item meaning it is not a regular carried
item and will not be on their web site. A great Christmas gift for
yourself (always get what you want that way)... If you need their
item number, let me know.
jerb
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Subject: | Good deal on Lacing Tape . . . |
Thanks Bob, just checking though and ACS has the same mil spec product for
$17. I bought a roll of the wire though. Good tip, thanks
Tim Andres
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Good deal on Lacing Tape . . .
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
http://tinyurl.com/3ykt8x
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes |
Its a model TM 868 I think the guy that runs the e bay store makes them in his
own shop. I have about 600 hrs over 3 years on it and no problems yet.
It is more viewable in the cockpit than a tablet or PC. Not nearly as viewable
as an in the panel efis. Best guess is it views the same as or even a little better
than the Garmin 396/496.
I certainly would not use it as a primary. mainly I use it in conjunction with
TrueMap on a samsung Q1 ultra. Most of the time on long trips my wife uses it
to run up her delorme auto map program to track where we are in tourist format.
Either that or she plays games on it.
I think I payed $68 when I bought it. You can probably get higher quality units
at any video store but for the price this has served me well.
Since that TBM ate an RV at OSH I am anxious to get a camera on it to be able to
see in the 30 or so feet in front of me when on the ground.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here |
goes
Thanks Milt,
the link did not work for me, but I'm scrolling now through your cheetah
page a lot of different monitors/PC/moving map to compare, they run now
for around 175$, but shipping is expensive. What is it compared to your
Q1U (looked into that one several time but not yet convinced.
Thanks Werner
N395V wrote:
>
> Its a model TM 868 I think the guy that runs the e bay store makes them in his
own shop. I have about 600 hrs over 3 years on it and no problems yet.
>
> It is more viewable in the cockpit than a tablet or PC. Not nearly as viewable
as an in the panel efis. Best guess is it views the same as or even a little
better than the Garmin 396/496.
>
> I certainly would not use it as a primary. mainly I use it in conjunction with
TrueMap on a samsung Q1 ultra. Most of the time on long trips my wife uses it
to run up her delorme auto map program to track where we are in tourist format.
Either that or she plays games on it.
>
> I think I payed $68 when I bought it. You can probably get higher quality units
at any video store but for the price this has served me well.
>
> Since that TBM ate an RV at OSH I am anxious to get a camera on it to be able
to see in the 30 or so feet in front of me when on the ground.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154196#154196
>
>
>
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Subject: | Low voltage problem in a new plane |
Werner
I have the Dynon 180. Thanks for the advice, which I will follow before the
next engine startup.
Regards,
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Werner Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 1:32 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Low voltage problem in a new plane
>
> --> <glastar@gmx.net>
>
> Les,
>
> 2 things coming to my mind if you have the Dynon D10A (or the
> D1007DEK180) do NOT connect the keep alive wire (pin 2 on the
> D10A) if you have an internal battery, as it might drain your
> battery by recharging the internal one. Upgrade your Dynon to
> the 3.x or 4.x software.
>
> Ad I would advise you get into the setup menu of the
> D10A/100/180 enable the info for the voltage on the right or
> left side. BTW even if you do not have enabled this, when you
> shutdown one with internal battery and have software 4.0
> loaded the internal battery will show up during the grace
> periode before total shutdown. Good thing to check the
> internal battery voltage.
>
> br Werner
>
> Les Goldner wrote:
> > --> <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
> >
> > Thanks Bob,
> > You don't know how much this helped. I read your book and
> came to one
> > of your weekend sessions but am still a total novice when
> it comes to
> > understanding these systems.
> > Have a great Christmas,
> > Les
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> >> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:55 AM
> >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Low voltage problem in a new plane
> >>
> >> --> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
> >>
> >> At 10:00 PM 12/23/2007 -0800, you wrote:
> >>
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >> The low-voltage buss indicator light stays on in my new
> plane and I
> >> would really appreciate help to understand what to do about it.
> >>
> >> I just finished building a Zenith 701 with a new 100-HP Rotax
> >> 912 using your Aeroelectric's Z16 schematic. B&C did not have the
> >> exact Alternator OV detection system shown in the
> schematic and sold
> >> me their BC207-1 over and low voltage control module that has a
> >> warning light which stays on for under and flashes for
> over-voltage.
> >> The B&C web site says that the low voltage light goes on
> if the Buss
> >> voltage is under 12.5V. I wired this module exactly as
> shown in Z16.
> >>
> >> I presume that you tied the OV/LV warning
> >> light into the main bus as shown in Z16 but
> >> wired the module in accordance with instructions
> >> provided with the device.
> >>
> >>
> >> I flew the plane for the first time yesterday starting
> with a fully
> >> charged battery and all seemed well. On the second flight
> that day I
> >> noticed that the Alternator under voltage
> >> (UV) light came on with the engine idling when the
> electric fuel pump
> >> was on.
> >>
> >> The Rotax alternators don't give you much output at
> >> idle or taxi speeds. It's possible if not probable that
> >> the bus voltage was indeed too low to turn out the
> >> LV warning light.
> >>
> >> Since I don't need the pump (fuel is gravity fed and the
> engine has a
> >> mechanical pump) I just turned it off and may have advanced the
> >> throttle beyond its high 2000-RPM idle. The UV light went out as I
> >> did this.
> >> I was happy and did my first solo flight in the plane for
> a half hour
> >> without incident.
> >>
> >> Okay. This is pretty much what I would expect.
> >>
> >> Today, assuming the battery was fully charged (I did not
> check it), I
> >> made some adjustments to the Dynon instrument for about 30 minutes
> >> (drawing about 1 to 2-amps), and started the engine for a few more
> >> go-arounds in the pattern. The engine stared immediately
> so I guess
> >> the battery was charged . However, the low-voltage light
> came on as
> >> soon as I started-up and would not go off, even after a 10-minutes
> >> warm-up, much of it above idle RPM, with almost nothing electric
> >> turned on. When I taxied back to the hanger and shut down
> (with the
> >> UV light still on) my battery voltage read 12.3V (this is a new
> >> battery).
> >>
> >> Get a voltmeter and put it on the bus while you're
> >> observing the Under-Voltage warning light. So far, the
> >> observations you've reported seem pretty common. PM
> >> alternators on the Rotax engines are, first of all,
> >> small. The BIG guy on the 912 is an 18A machine and
> >> then ONLY at cruise RPM. If you ran accessories on your
> >> battery for a time, then it's going to take some time
> >> to replace that energy . . . and it's not going to happen
> >> fast except AFTER engine RPMs are raised to flight ops
> >> levels.
> >>
> >> There are probably a lot of things I need to check to isolate the
> >> problem and need advice as to how to go about doing this.
> >> What is the most likely cause? What should I check first
> and second,
> >> third. and how do I check them.
> >> Here are some of my (probably dumb) more specific questions:
> >>
> >> For the moment, I don't see that your system is
> >> performing in an unexpected manner. It's designed
> >> in limitations for alternator output at low engine
> >> RPM would account for what you've observed.
> >>
> >> Is this a definite problem or will the this under voltage
> light come
> >> on as described above when there are no problems?
> >> There are two fuselinks attached to the Alternator OV/UV
> module. If
> >> one of these blew or got disconnected would it cause this problem?
> >> Since this is easy to check, I plan to look into this first.
> >>
> >> Is it possible that the problem is in the voltage regulator?
> >> How do you check this out and determine if the regulator
> and not the
> >> alternator is the cause?
> >>
> >> I'm not certain how to check the alternator or AC voltage.
> >> First, is this a likely source of the problem? Second, if
> so how do I
> >> check the alternator output? If the alternator is bad I
> probably will
> >> have to remove the engine and find a "real" repairman to
> fix it, so I
> >> hope the problem lies elsewhere.
> >>
> >> Any help would really be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Let us begin with the reasonable assumption that you
> >> don't have a problem. Put a smart battery charger
> >> on the battery and get it topped off. Then go fly
> >> the airplane. Doesn't your Dynon have a voltage display
> >> on it?
> >>
> >> I would expect the Low Volts warning to stay lit
> >> until some time after takeoff. You can tell if the
> >> alternator is working by watching the voltmeter.
> >> At ramp idle and with electro-whizzies turned ON,
> >> bus voltage will be decidedly less than 13.0 volts.
> >>
> >> As soon as you power up for takeoff, the bus voltage
> >> should rise . . . not high enough perhaps to turn
> >> out the light, but if the alternator is working at
> >> all, bus voltage should come up with engine RPM.
> >>
> >> I'm betting the light will go out after a time sufficient
> >> for the alternator to top off the battery.
> >>
> >> Bob . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Photoshare, and much much more:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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Subject: | Good wire deal . . . |
The seller seems to put up more wire each time the auctions end.
Here's are a few more:
Ebay #: 170180794922
Ebay #: 170180795018
If those are gone, just search ebay for "AWG tinned wire mil spec" and you
should find more.
The seller also has 4-conductor M 27500-22-MH4U-08 / Mil-W-81044/9 in 100'
and 500'
Here is another Tyco AMP 59250:
Ebay #: 150198257108
Thanks for letting us know Bob and a Merry Christmas to all!
Best Regards,
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rd2@evenlink.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Good wire deal . . .
Also gone, checked about 1-1/2 hours after you posted this, Bob.
Please post again if you come across another one, maybe finally I can catch
up.
Rumen
and Merry X-mas to all.
do not archive
_____________________Original message __________________________
(received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 08:05 AM
12/25/2007 -0600)
________________________________________________________________
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
The first two spools are gone but here's another one:
http://tinyurl.com/2an8a8
At 03:03 AM 12/25/2007 -0500, you wrote:
><mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>
>That should last me awhile. Picked up a 1000' roll.
>Thanks for the tip, Happy Holidays Bob,
>Mike H
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Subject: | Re: Good wire deal . . . |
$16.75 for
1,000' 22 AWG Tinned Wire,19 Strand,High Temp,Mil Spec
That is very good indeed: how much 22AWG do I actually need for an RV-9a
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill@irealms.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Good wire deal . . .
> <poneill@irealms.com>
>
> The seller seems to put up more wire each time the auctions end.
>
> Here's are a few more:
>
> Ebay #: 170180794922
> Ebay #: 170180795018
>
> If those are gone, just search ebay for "AWG tinned wire mil spec" and you
> should find more.
>
> The seller also has 4-conductor M 27500-22-MH4U-08 / Mil-W-81044/9 in 100'
> and 500'
>
> Here is another Tyco AMP 59250:
>
> Ebay #: 150198257108
>
> Thanks for letting us know Bob and a Merry Christmas to all!
>
> Best Regards,
> Patrick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rd2@evenlink.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:27 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Good wire deal . . .
>
>
> Also gone, checked about 1-1/2 hours after you posted this, Bob.
> Please post again if you come across another one, maybe finally I can
> catch
> up.
> Rumen
>
> and Merry X-mas to all.
>
> do not archive
>
> _____________________Original message __________________________
> (received from Robert L. Nuckolls, III; Date: 08:05 AM
> 12/25/2007 -0600)
> ________________________________________________________________
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> The first two spools are gone but here's another one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2an8a8
>
>
> At 03:03 AM 12/25/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>><mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
>>
>>That should last me awhile. Picked up a 1000' roll.
>>Thanks for the tip, Happy Holidays Bob,
>>Mike H
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Good wire deal . . . |
At 09:27 AM 12/25/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Also gone, checked about 1-1/2 hours after you posted this, Bob.
>Please post again if you come across another one, maybe finally I can catch
>up.
>Rumen
>
>and Merry X-mas to all.
>
>do not archive
Sorry . . . it's that "early bird" thingy again. But there's
one consolation with the buy-it-now offers . . . folks on the
List don't get into a bidding hassle. But that wire is worth
about $55.00/M feet when I buy it several thousand feet at
a time . . . so don't anybody spend more than that for a full
spool.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------)
( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Re: Cesnna split switch |
At 02:50 PM 12/18/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Can someone help me find the information I need to wire a split switch batt/
alt into Z16 Rotax 912. I only have one buss.
Thanks
John S
CH701 rotax
John sent me his split-rocker switch so that I could
confirm my suppositions as to how it functioned.
I've published a little 2-pager on interchangeability
of the various toggle and rocker switch versions
in the 'Connection's Z-figures.
See:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Progressive-Xfr_Split-Rocker_Switches.pdf
John, I'll be mailing your switch back in the
morning.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here goes |
Werner,
Try the link nowhttp://www.bearcataviation.com/album_frame.asp?forum=open&menuID=6~6 it should work and navigate to>>Avionics>>>Glass Panels>>>remote monitor.
Also in the Flight Cheetah forum there iis a comparison of several programs compared
to truemap.
The remotte moniter is a bit brighter than the Q1 ultra. The Q1 ultra is miles
better than the old Q1.
The Q1 Ultra is the most readable PC I have ever had in the cockpit.
Milt
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Subject: | Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here |
goes
I just made a 1600 mile trip with the True Flight FL190 Cheetah GPS which is
on the Q1 Ultra. I was very pleased with the screen display in the sun. I
also flew with my old and trusty (but getting harder to see) Garmin 195 -
even though I had it mounted at 1/2 the distance of the Fl190, it was more
difficult to see under certain conditions - of course, the fact the FL190
Q1 Ultra was color display helped.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: An idea that is kind of out there but here
goes
> <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> Werner,
> Try the link
> nowhttp://www.bearcataviation.com/album_frame.asp?forum=open&menuID=6~6
> it should work and navigate to>>Avionics>>>Glass Panels>>>remote monitor.
>
> Also in the Flight Cheetah forum there iis a comparison of several
> programs compared to truemap.
>
> The remotte moniter is a bit brighter than the Q1 ultra. The Q1 ultra is
> miles better than the old Q1.
>
> The Q1 Ultra is the most readable PC I have ever had in the cockpit.
>
> Milt
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154253#154253
>
>
>
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