---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/18/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:27 AM - IFR GPS requirements () 2. 08:39 AM - Changing Prop & FSDO () 3. 08:49 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (glen matejcek) 4. 12:09 PM - Re: Alternator / Charging issue (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 05:17 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/16/08 (Lee Logan) 6. 07:58 PM - Of Line for a week (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:59 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: IFR GPS requirements 1/18/2008 Hello Glen, You are absolutely correct and I apologize for that moment of weakness when I wrote to just avoid the ignorant bureaucrat. If we don't (politely) confront these people who are misusing their position, either out of ignorance or ego, we will suffer further abuses down the line. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." -------------------------------------------------- From: "glen matejcek" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: IFR GPS requirements Hi Bill et al- Re: >Hello Bill, Avoid that poor soul -- he has not been around long enough or >cared enough to learn that type certificated aircraft and amateur built >experimental aircraft are treated very differently in the FAA's paperwork >system. While I greatly appreciate and highly regard and respect the source of that comment, I couldn't disagree more. If this inspector has run 50 unnecessary 337's through the system, he has cost a lot of people a lot of money, spread misinformation across the system, and will no doubt cause other improperly educated or motivated inspectors to take the 'conservative' (ignorant) route at our collective expense. In other words, there has been a gross misuse of governmental power. These kinds of topics have gone to DC and back via OSH, and we have the tools to correct the problem you are facing. My personal experience with an amateur built rule hose-up was to be very (politely) clear with the person involved about the nature and basis for our disconnect, and then call OSH with the details. Within 24 hours they had achieved understanding with the head of the directorate involved, and within another 24 the fed involved had been re-educated. That ended the problem for me, and, presumably, everyone who came along after. Also, the feds now have a program to handle customer service issues in house. As I understand it, it's the equivalent of 'let me speak to your supervisor', although I don't recall the precise terminology. Mike, can you fill us in? While I don't advocate getting into hostile conflicts with The Man, I strongly urge you (and anyone else having bogus reg interpretation issues) to fight the good fight with the resources we have developed and paid for through our EAA dues and those gate fees at OSH we are all unhappy about. Heck, Brian got a law in Jacksonville repealed with a little help from his friends. What's one confused inspector? glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:23 AM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: Changing Prop & FSDO 1/18/2008 Hello Ron, You wrote: 1) "Another thing that the FSDO told me, even when an experimental aircraft is sold and there is a new owner, along with the FAA registration records update, the new owner needs to get a new Airworthiness Certificate with the himself as the owner (the original builder info stays the same). He mentioned that very few owners of experimental aircraft that they bought from pervious owners know this,......" I would venture that very few subsequent owners of amateur built experimental aircraft do not know of this requirement because it is not true. 2) ",,,,,,,,,, plus the FAA has this requirement too deeply hidden in the regulations." No matter how deeply hidden in the regulations this requirement may be it has to be written down. I would dearly love for you to contact this gent and find out just exactly where it is written so that we can read it for ourselves. The FAA is not in the business of having secret regulations. Many thanks. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronko" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Changing Prop & FSDO Thanks for your response. I called the local FSDO in West Chicago, Illinois, and they gave me the same instructions that you outlined. Interesting set of responses from the group. Another thing that the FSDO told me, even when an experimental aircraft is sold and there is a new owner, along with the FAA registration records update, the new owner needs to get a new Airworthiness Certificate with the himself as the owner (the original builder info stays the same). He mentioned that very few owners of experimental aircraft that they bought from pervious owners know this, plus the FAA has this requirement too deeply hidden in the regulations. The guy that I talked to at the FSDO told me my situation was not a problem. With the new prop process, I will get both requirements met. Thanks again for your feedback. Best regards, Ron ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:37 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: IFR GPS requirements Hi O.C.- Thanks for the feedback / response, O.C. It's always a nuisance to have to go through this with bureaucrats, but we are the front line when it comes to protecting our rights and interests. Also, sorry about the spamblocker. It is very effective and protective. I've told it to allow anything you should choose to send in the future, but it has a bit of a mind of it's own. Should you send me something and get one of those 'allowed sender requests' again, just ignore it. I'll still get your note, albeit with a bit of a delay. Best regards- glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; ; > Date: 1/18/2008 9:24:31 AM > Subject: IFR GPS requirements > > 1/18/2008 > > Hello Glen, You are absolutely correct and I apologize for that moment of > weakness when I wrote to just avoid the ignorant bureaucrat. > > If we don't (politely) confront these people who are misusing their > position, either out of ignorance or ego, we will suffer further abuses down > the line. > > 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and > understand knowledge." > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "glen matejcek" > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: IFR GPS requirements > > > Hi Bill et al- > > Re: >Hello Bill, Avoid that poor soul -- he has not been around long > enough or > >cared enough to learn that type certificated aircraft and amateur built > >experimental aircraft are treated very differently in the FAA's paperwork > >system. > > While I greatly appreciate and highly regard and respect the source of that > comment, I couldn't disagree more. If this inspector has run 50 > unnecessary 337's through the system, he has cost a lot of people a lot of > money, spread misinformation across the system, and will no doubt cause > other improperly educated or motivated inspectors to take the > 'conservative' (ignorant) route at our collective expense. In other words, > there has been a gross misuse of governmental power. These kinds of topics > have gone to DC and back via OSH, and we have the tools to correct the > problem you are facing. > > My personal experience with an amateur built rule hose-up was to be very > (politely) clear with the person involved about the nature and basis for > our disconnect, and then call OSH with the details. Within 24 hours they > had achieved understanding with the head of the directorate involved, and > within another 24 the fed involved had been re-educated. That ended the > problem for me, and, presumably, everyone who came along after. > > Also, the feds now have a program to handle customer service issues in > house. As I understand it, it's the equivalent of 'let me speak to your > supervisor', although I don't recall the precise terminology. Mike, can > you fill us in? > > While I don't advocate getting into hostile conflicts with The Man, I > strongly urge you (and anyone else having bogus reg interpretation issues) > to fight the good fight with the resources we have developed and paid for > through our EAA dues and those gate fees at OSH we are all unhappy about. > Heck, Brian got a law in Jacksonville repealed with a little help from his > friends. What's one confused inspector? > > glen matejcek > aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:53 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator / Charging issue At 10:50 AM 1/15/2008 -0600, you wrote: > > >At 09:34 PM 1/14/2008 -0500, you wrote: > Steve, I'm going on vacation tomorrow morning early. Didn't see a response as to what kind of alternator we're trying to troubleshoot. Bob . . . >>A while back my alternator decided to start cycling on and off every now >>and again, mostly when under load. It will never do it during a day >>flight, and only during the day when running strobes. I can induce it at >>night fairly easily sometimes with the navs, fuel pump, landing light, >>and panel lights (no strobes needed..they seem able to induce the problem >>by themselves). I was returning from Miss. a few nights ago and it >>decided to do this. I shut down the strobes and everything was fine (as >>usual). I turned the strobes back on and the last 30 min or so of the >>flight was uneventful. >> >>I installed a new B&C battery yesterday and the problem occurred again >>yesterday evening 1 time near the beginning of the flight, and more so on >>the ground after I landed and had the engine at idle power. I stayed in >>the pattern since I had a "known" electrical issue. >> >>Here are few things I may have forgotten to mention, and I can't be sure >>if this could be a cause of my problem. >> >> >>2) I notice both my EI voltmeter as well as the Dynon (backup to my gyro >>;) ) are reporting about 13.5V when in flight. I would assume this >>should be around 14.5 or so. I think before this problem it did. Funny >>the little things you start to notice when you actually have a problem. >> >>3) The main problem is that if under load, the system will "shut down" >>the charging system intermittently and then come back online. Sometimes >>in a rapid (5 secs or so) succession or sometimes in more erratic >>unpredictable intervals. Like the flight back the other night, it acted >>up then stayed online for the remainder of the flight. I'll see the >>voltage annunciator come on and the voltage drop to 11.8 or 12...then it >>will go back up to 13.5. It may stay for a while...the remainder of the >>flight...or maybe 10 secs. It's crazy. >> >> I thought I had the alternator tested at one time and was told >> it was fine. >> >>I also just replaced my main solenoid (it was going bad..wouldn't connect >>when I turned the master on). That's fine now, but that didn't help the >>problem either. >> >>This problem is driving me crazy. Any and all input would be appreciated. >> >>I'm almost convinced I'm never going to find the root if this >>thing. Thanks again. > > > I've never encountered a system problem that was not > fixable. > > You don't say what kind of alternator. External or internally > regulated? > > Bob . . . > > >-- >269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: 1/14/2008 5:39 PM > > >incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:49 PM PST US From: "Lee Logan" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 01/16/08 Hernador: If no insult was intended, then none taken. Semper Fi ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:22 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Of Line for a week Dr. Dee and I are headed southeast tomorrow. A friend of many years and a co-worker at Beech's Missiles Division bought a condo in P.R. about 25 years ago when he was having to spend many weeks working out of Roosevelt Roads naval base to support target launches. Nowadays, he and his wife spend three months in P.R. every winter. They have proven generous and graceful hosts to a number of the Missiles families. This will be our second trip to take in the sights and snorkel in some pretty amazing waters. We'll be back on Sunday, Jan 27. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.