---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/07/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet (Harley) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Z-25 (Self-excitation) Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet (Ernest Christley) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet (Ernest Christley) 5. 07:05 AM - generic regulator pin out (Christopher Barber) 6. 10:03 AM - AC 43.13 - Where did it go? (jayb) 7. 10:21 AM - Starter Woes : follow up (Peter Mather) 8. 11:08 AM - Re: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? (Matt Prather) 9. 11:12 AM - Re: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? (Lawrence Handberg) 10. 07:26 PM - Re: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 07:29 PM - Re: Starter Woes : follow up (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 12. 07:37 PM - Re: generic regulator pin out (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 13. 07:43 PM - Out of town this weekend. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:41 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet Tim... >>What file format is that? EXEL won't open it. http://ernest.isa-geek.org/Delta/Library/WireSelection.ods It's Open Office...you can get the free, open source program here: www.openoffice.org You might want to consider having that around as it is quite useful in reading and writing to a variety of different program formats. But, unlike Excel, Open Office WILL open it's competitors files! From the description of Open Office on their website: "the product is a multi-platform office productivity suite. It includes the key desktop applications, such as a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, and drawing program, with a user interface and feature set similar to other office suites. Sophisticated and flexible, OpenOffice.org also works transparently with a variety of file formats, including those of Microsoft Office" Harley Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Andres wrote: > > What file format is that? EXEL won't open it. > Thanks > Tim Andres > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:41 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Z-25 (Self-excitation) Question At 11:49 PM 2/6/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > >One more thing... > >In Z-25 and in Z-13/8, it appears to me that if the Aux Alt switch is >"On," an over-voltage event--whether caused by the main alternator or the >auxiliary alternator--could cause either the main crowbar or the aux >crowbar--or both--to trip, and you wouldn't necessarily know which was the >offending alternator. If both crowbars tripped, you would be on the >battery until you reset one of the circuit breakers--the correct one. Is >this correct? No, the SD-8 is not intended to be run in conjunction with the main alternator. You turn it on only after the main alternator has been shown unusable for any reason, including an OV trip. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:51 AM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet Harley wrote: > > Tim... > >>> What file format is that? EXEL won't open it. > http://ernest.isa-geek.org/Delta/Library/WireSelection.ods > > It's Open Office...you can get the free, open source program here: > www.openoffice.org > Close, but not quite. Open Office is just ONE of the packages that support ODF file formats. Word Perfect, Lotus Smartsuite and several others also support it. Sun Microsystems also has a plug-in for the Microsoft programs that will enable ODF. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:04 AM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mil-W-5088L Wire Size Calculator spreadsheet Tim Andres wrote: > > What file format is that? EXEL won't open it. > Thanks > Tim Andres > ODF. It is an open format supported by a variety of vendors. Microsoft has chosen not to support it, because they're afraid of the competition in an open market, but there are a some plug-ins available that will allow Excel to read it. Here are a couple: http://sourceforge.net/projects/odf-converter http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2007-02/sunflash.20070207.1.xml ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:59 AM PST US From: "Christopher Barber" Subject: AeroElectric-List: generic regulator pin out I am using one LR-3 Regulator and one generic regulator for my z14 duel alt/duel bat rotary install in my Velocity. When some cash falls out of the air I will likely get a second LR-3. However, 'til then I need some help on how to connect the generic unit I have. I assume the field lead connects to the "F" prong on the generic unit, however, where do the other wires go? My unit is marked "F", 1, 2, 3, 4 with an additional prong on the bottom of the unit. I assume the bottom prong is a ground (please correct me if I am wrong). How do I determine which prongs connect to which prong on the regulator? Are these prongs and numbers a understood standard? If not, is there a way to determining what is what? No docs were included with the regulator. I regret if I missed this in Bobs book and/or webpage. TIA. All the best, Chris Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law 5116 Bissonnet, No 418 Bellaire, Texas 77401 Serving the Needs of Senior Texans through Planning with Purpose 281-464-LAWS (5297) 281-754-4168 Fax www.TexasAttorney.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:47 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? From: "jayb" I wasn't able to find the AC 43.13 (ACCEPTABLE METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND PRACTICESAIRCRAFT INSPECTION AND REPAIR) anywhere at the FAA website. Maybe I didn't type in the right search parameters? http://www.airweb.faa.gov/ I did read over the AEC11 file AC43.13-1B_Change1.pdf. Is this version still in process of review? If so, what's the timeframe? Thanks, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162842#162842 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:52 AM PST US From: "Peter Mather" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Starter Woes : follow up All Thanks for the suggestions on my initial posting. Outcome as follows: Used voltmeter to check voltages during cranking - basically no significant losses between battery and starter BUT voltage collapsed to 7.5 to 8.5 volts across the battery during cranking. According to Sky-tech's diagnostic chart this can only be a battery issue. So used a large car battery to temporarily replace the PC680 and got acceptable cranking. So replaced the PC680 - minor improvement over the old battery but not acceptable Replaced the Magnaflite with a Sky-tech 149NL which is field wound and not permanent magnet, great cranking with both old and new battery. So moral of the story: the PC680 is very marginal with the Magnaflite starter. The Sky-tech NL is a beautiful bit of kit Best regards Peter ____________________________________________________________________________ I've got a Magnaflite MZ6222 starter on my IO-320, Odyessy PC680 battery, #2 welding cable from battery to master contactor and to firewall earth (15" and 12" respectively), 14" copper braid from firewall earth to sump bolt at rear of engine, 6" copper bus bar from master contactor to starter contactor, 24" #4 Tefzel from starter contactor to starter and am having problems as follows. The engine has very good compressions and a new bottom end so is tight but easy enough to turn over by hand. Symptoms are that the starter finds it very hard to get the engine over the first compression even when the engine is warm, but when turning rotates the prop very very fast. The prop is wood so very little flywheel effect. The starter was "as new" second hand and has no obvious faults. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? From: "Matt Prather" I googled "AC 43.13" and came up with the following link (which seems usable): http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument or: http://tinyurl.com/ynopgy Also found from http://www.faa.gov/ go to "Regulations and Policies" then "All other ACs" then entered 43.13 into the search. The first hit is essentially the same link as above. Cheers, Matt- > > I wasn't able to find the AC 43.13 (ACCEPTABLE METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND > PRACTICESAIRCRAFT INSPECTION AND REPAIR) anywhere at the FAA website. > Maybe I didn't type in the right search parameters? > > http://www.airweb.faa.gov/ > > I did read over the AEC11 file AC43.13-1B_Change1.pdf. Is this version > still in process of review? If so, what's the timeframe? > > Thanks, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162842#162842 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:45 AM PST US From: Lawrence Handberg Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? Jay, You're right it's not list in the current section, but I found it in the history section. http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument Good luck, --- jayb wrote: > > > I wasn't able to find the AC 43.13 (ACCEPTABLE > METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND PRACTICESAIRCRAFT > INSPECTION AND REPAIR) anywhere at the FAA website. > Maybe I didn't type in the right search parameters? > > http://www.airweb.faa.gov/ > > I did read over the AEC11 file > AC43.13-1B_Change1.pdf. Is this version still in > process of review? If so, what's the timeframe? > > Thanks, > Jay > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162842#162842 > > > > > > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:44 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AC 43.13 - Where did it go? At 09:59 AM 2/7/2008 -0800, you wrote: > >I wasn't able to find the AC 43.13 (ACCEPTABLE METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND >PRACTICESAIRCRAFT INSPECTION AND REPAIR) anywhere at the FAA website. >Maybe I didn't type in the right search parameters? > >http://www.airweb.faa.gov/ > >I did read over the AEC11 file AC43.13-1B_Change1.pdf. Is this version >still in process of review? If so, what's the timeframe? > Goto http://www.aeroelectric.com/Reference_Docs/FAA/ for a number of FAA documents including AC43.13 in it's entirety, an excerpt of electrical section only and the Change 1 revision pages. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:59 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Starter Woes : follow up At 06:15 PM 2/7/2008 +0000, you wrote: > >All > >Thanks for the suggestions on my initial posting. Outcome as follows: > >Used voltmeter to check voltages during cranking - basically no >significant losses between battery and starter BUT voltage collapsed to >7.5 to 8.5 volts across the battery during cranking. According to >Sky-tech's diagnostic chart this can only be a battery issue. > >So used a large car battery to temporarily replace the PC680 and got >acceptable cranking. >So replaced the PC680 - minor improvement over the old battery but not >acceptable > >Replaced the Magnaflite with a Sky-tech 149NL which is field wound and not >permanent magnet, great cranking with both old and new battery. Interesting. Thanks for sharing the out come of your experiments. It's interesting to know that Sky-tech now offers a wound field model. When I was working with B&C we considered a PM version and decided against it as not consistent with the-best-we-knew-how-to-do. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:20 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: generic regulator pin out At 08:58 AM 2/7/2008 -0600, you wrote: > > >I am using one LR-3 Regulator and one generic regulator for my z14 duel >alt/duel bat rotary install in my Velocity. When some cash falls out of the >air I will likely get a second LR-3. However, 'til then I need some help on >how to connect the generic unit I have. I assume the field lead connects to >the "F" prong on the generic unit, however, where do the other wires go? My >unit is marked "F", 1, 2, 3, 4 with an additional prong on the bottom of the >unit. I assume the bottom prong is a ground (please correct me if I am >wrong). How do I determine which prongs connect to which prong on the >regulator? Are these prongs and numbers a understood standard? If not, is >there a way to determining what is what? No docs were included with the >regulator. I regret if I missed this in Bobs book and/or webpage. TIA. There are no industry standards for identifying functionality of the pin out for various products on the market. This is one reason why I've stuck pretty much to the generic "ford" regulators that I wrote about in Z-11, note 21 and illustrated in figures Z-11, Z-13/8, Z-19 and these photos: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Regulators/Alternator_Test_1.jpg http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Regulators/Ford_Test_Reg.jpg It's not that any of these products are "better" than other offerings. But if you have a regulator that looks like this, I can tell you with some confidence how to hook it up. You can buy these regulators for $4 to $20 from a lot of sources. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:49 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Out of town this weekend. Dr. Dee and I are departing Wichita about 6:30 in the morning for Atlanta. We're scheduled to present a weekend seminar there on Saturday and Sunday. Considering the way my consulting tasks are going this may well be the only seminar we do for 2008. It's certainly the only one until summer. I should have bailed out of the TC air-framing business years ago. I'm working 6 different development programs, learning a lot of new things every day and working with a crack team of folks who also should have left "the business" years ago! Anywho, we'll be back on line Monday. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.