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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Your email to Waterbirds (bill@waterbirds.com)
2. 08:43 AM - Re: Mechanical question (Ron Shannon)
3. 09:09 AM - Re: Throttle Servo (Jim McBurney)
4. 02:54 PM - Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! (Matt Dralle)
5. 07:30 PM - Re: Mechanical question (Speedy11@aol.com)
6. 07:42 PM - Artex Batteries (RScott)
7. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Mechanical question (Ron Shannon)
8. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Mechanical question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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Subject: | Re: Your email to Waterbirds |
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Subject: | Re: Mechanical question |
FWIW - I'm a big Click Bond fan, and have used several of their products
extensively in my project. The retail source in the US is
http://theflightshop.com, and you don't have to register before looking.
Very helpful and knowledgeable folks there. Email me off list if I can help
in any way.
Ron
Murphy Rebel
http://n254mr.com
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM, John Swartout <jgswartout@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> jgswartout@earthlink.net>
>
> I'll take a look at the Click Bond website. I see you have to register
> (Grrrrrrr!!!!) to look at their products. Thanks for the tip. I have a
> hunch I'll wish I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building
> ago.
>
> John
>
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Servo |
Hi, Jay (and List),
The Zenith demo 801 has dual throttle controls. They KISSed the problem:
ran both cables to the carb, connected both to the throttle lever. It works
well, but you can't use a vernier throttle. Zenith used friction-lock
throttles, took the friction bushing out of the secondary (right-seat)
control. There are several ideas in the Matronics Zenith list archives that
have been done, mostly on 601s. Check it out.
Blue skies and tailwinds
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the
following categories:
Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ
Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640
Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801
All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
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http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list
Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
Zenith640:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list
Zenith701801:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list
To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form:
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Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Subject: | Re: Mechanical question |
Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I find
their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their nutplates and
ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my airplane. Their
adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the nutplates I installed
(about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a good job of applying the
adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of them. The reasons I don't
like using Click-Bond nutplates is because:
1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult to
access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you cannot
remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the screw.
The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus they can spin
in a small space. If the nutplate location is not accessable, you have to
cut through panels to get to it.
2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or
falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to get
jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.
Ask me how I've learned these things.
Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't
give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same
aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts.
Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not
satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
I'll take a look at the Click Bond website. I see you have to register
(Grrrrrrr!!!!)
to look at their products. Thanks for the tip. I have a hunch I'll wish
I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building ago.
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
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Best source I have found for my Artex ELT 110 is from Chief Aircraft in
Grant's Pass, Oregon.
Cheaper than from Artex themselves.
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Subject: | Re: Mechanical question |
I have installed at least 200 Click Bond fasteners, including nutplates from
#6 to -4's, studs, zip tie anchors, etc. Only one didn't cure properly,
because I used old adhesive (way beyond marked expiration) which I kind of
knew going on didn't seem right. It was easy to replace. I have taken screws
in and out of many of these many times. They're rock solid.
With easy proper prep, I've never had a problem. I don't understand how you
could possibly have had such bad luck, but am sorry to hear it.
Ron
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:25 PM, <Speedy11@aol.com> wrote:
> Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I
> find their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their nutplates
> and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my airplane.
> Their adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the nutplates I
> installed (about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a good job of
> applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of them. The
> reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because:
> 1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult
> to access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you
> cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the
> screw. The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus
> they can spin in a small space. If the nutplate location is not accessable,
> you have to cut through panels to get to it.
> 2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or
> falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to
> get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.
> Ask me how I've learned these things.
> Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't
> give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same
> aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with
> nuts.
> Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not
> satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.
> Stan Sutterfield
> Do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mechanical question |
At 10:25 PM 4/26/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I
>find their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their
>nutplates and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in
>my airplane. Their adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the
>nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a
>good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20
>of them. The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because:
>1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult
>to access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you
>cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the
>screw. The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus
>they can spin in a small space. If the nutplate location is not
>accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it.
>2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or
>falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane
>to get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc.
>Ask me how I've learned these things.
>Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't
>give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same
>aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts.
>Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not
>satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.\
It would be useful to know how the system is failing you.
They're used all over the airplanes at Hawker-Beech.
I've never installed any personally but many folks I work
around have used them.
I will note that the only airplanes/places I specifically
recall their use is on the composite surfaces of structure
and fuselage. It may be that the recommended adhesive for
aluminum surfaces is different. I wish you hadn't pitched
the surplus, it would have been an interesting experiment
to see what was happening.
Bob . . .
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