---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/26/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 AM - Re: Your email to Waterbirds (bill@waterbirds.com) 2. 08:43 AM - Re: Mechanical question (Ron Shannon) 3. 09:09 AM - Re: Throttle Servo (Jim McBurney) 4. 02:54 PM - Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! (Matt Dralle) 5. 07:30 PM - Re: Mechanical question (Speedy11@aol.com) 6. 07:42 PM - Artex Batteries (RScott) 7. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Mechanical question (Ron Shannon) 8. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Mechanical question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:25 AM PST US From: bill@waterbirds.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Your email to Waterbirds --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:35 AM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Mechanical question FWIW - I'm a big Click Bond fan, and have used several of their products extensively in my project. The retail source in the US is http://theflightshop.com, and you don't have to register before looking. Very helpful and knowledgeable folks there. Email me off list if I can help in any way. Ron Murphy Rebel http://n254mr.com On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM, John Swartout wrote: > jgswartout@earthlink.net> > > I'll take a look at the Click Bond website. I see you have to register > (Grrrrrrr!!!!) to look at their products. Thanks for the tip. I have a > hunch I'll wish I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building > ago. > > John > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:52 AM PST US From: "Jim McBurney" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Throttle Servo Hi, Jay (and List), The Zenith demo 801 has dual throttle controls. They KISSed the problem: ran both cables to the carb, connected both to the throttle lever. It works well, but you can't use a vernier throttle. Zenith used friction-lock throttles, took the friction bushing out of the secondary (right-seat) control. There are several ideas in the Matronics Zenith list archives that have been done, mostly on 601s. Check it out. Blue skies and tailwinds Jim CH-801 DeltaHawk diesel Augusta GA 90% done, 90% left ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:48 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! Dear Listers, I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the following categories: Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601 Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640 Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801 All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives, Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...: Citabria: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list Zenith601: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list Zenith640: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list Zenith701801: http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here: http://forums.matronics.com Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-) Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:10 PM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mechanical question Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I find their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their nutplates and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my airplane. Their adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of them. The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because: 1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult to access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the screw. The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus they can spin in a small space. If the nutplate location is not accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it. 2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc. Ask me how I've learned these things. Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts. Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not satisfied with them and cannot recommend them. Stan Sutterfield Do not archive I'll take a look at the Click Bond website. I see you have to register (Grrrrrrr!!!!) to look at their products. Thanks for the tip. I have a hunch I'll wish I'd known about them about 3,000 hours of airplane-building ago. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:40 PM PST US From: RScott Subject: AeroElectric-List: Artex Batteries Best source I have found for my Artex ELT 110 is from Chief Aircraft in Grant's Pass, Oregon. Cheaper than from Artex themselves. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:26 PM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mechanical question I have installed at least 200 Click Bond fasteners, including nutplates from #6 to -4's, studs, zip tie anchors, etc. Only one didn't cure properly, because I used old adhesive (way beyond marked expiration) which I kind of knew going on didn't seem right. It was easy to replace. I have taken screws in and out of many of these many times. They're rock solid. With easy proper prep, I've never had a problem. I don't understand how you could possibly have had such bad luck, but am sorry to hear it. Ron On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:25 PM, wrote: > Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I > find their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their nutplates > and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in my airplane. > Their adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the nutplates I > installed (about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a good job of > applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 of them. The > reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because: > 1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult > to access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you > cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the > screw. The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus > they can spin in a small space. If the nutplate location is not accessable, > you have to cut through panels to get to it. > 2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or > falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane to > get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc. > Ask me how I've learned these things. > Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't > give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same > aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with > nuts. > Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not > satisfied with them and cannot recommend them. > Stan Sutterfield > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:01 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Mechanical question At 10:25 PM 4/26/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Besides the aggravation of having to register to view their products, I >find their products not suitable for aviation. I have used their >nutplates and ty wrap anchors and found both to be unsuitable for use in >my airplane. Their adhesive does not adhere well. For example, of the >nutplates I installed (about 40), half came loose. Perhaps I didn't do a >good job of applying the adhesive, but I doubt I would have screwed up 20 >of them. The reasons I don't like using Click-Bond nutplates is because: >1. Nutplates are typically used in locations that are otherwise difficult >to access. When the nutplate comes unglued (it's a matter of time) you >cannot remove the screw to replace it because the nutplate spins with the >screw. The nutplates are shorter than normal riveted nutplates and thus >they can spin in a small space. If the nutplate location is not >accessable, you have to cut through panels to get to it. >2. If (when) a nutplate comes loose and frees itself from the screw (or >falls off while removing a screw), it can become FOD inside the airplane >to get jammed in (you name it) controls, cables, etc. >Ask me how I've learned these things. >Personally, I threw away my $100 worth of Click-Bond products. I didn't >give them to anyone because I didn't want anyone else to suffer the same >aggravations and fears I did. I use only normal nutplates or screws with nuts. >Perhaps others have had better results with Click-Bond, but I am not >satisfied with them and cannot recommend them.\ It would be useful to know how the system is failing you. They're used all over the airplanes at Hawker-Beech. I've never installed any personally but many folks I work around have used them. I will note that the only airplanes/places I specifically recall their use is on the composite surfaces of structure and fuselage. It may be that the recommended adhesive for aluminum surfaces is different. I wish you hadn't pitched the surplus, it would have been an interesting experiment to see what was happening. 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