---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/06/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:05 AM - Re: SD-8 on when ? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 06:27 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: Z-19 Item Clarification () 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Z-19 Item Clarification () 5. 07:45 AM - Info on TKM "LED" cdi (CardinalNSB@aol.com) 6. 08:03 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Joe) 7. 09:13 AM - Re: Z-19 Item Clarification () 8. 10:30 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 10:33 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Ron Shannon) 10. 10:34 AM - Re: Artex ME406 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 10:35 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Ron Shannon) 12. 10:49 AM - Re: oil pressure warn logic (Ron Shannon) 13. 11:06 AM - Re: AC switches in DC applications (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 14. 12:08 PM - Re: AW: New HOBBS Idea (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 12:18 PM - Re: 90 degree disconnect - what kind of crimp tool? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 16. 12:57 PM - Re: AW: New HOBBS Idea () 17. 01:30 PM - Fw: Torque Values (Henry Trzeciakowski) 18. 05:06 PM - Re: Fw: Torque Values (Bob White) 19. 06:13 PM - Re: Artex ME406 (Bill Bradburry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:51 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SD-8 on when ? At 08:24 PM 5/5/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >I have an SD-8 back up alternator on my RV-7A. I'm just curious if most >people leave it running on all the time (i.e. do the two alternators fight >each other ?) or just plan on turning it on if the main unit fails. > >Mike Corder The original design philosophy behind Z-13/8 was to use the SD-8 as a back-up alternator in a two-layer electrical system. There is no need nor advantage in running the SD-8 in tandem with the main alternator (unless you main alternator is undersized . . . in which case you have a design issue much more serious than deciding how to run the SD-8). They don't "fight" each other but there's no operational rationale for tandem operation. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:56 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic At 02:29 PM 5/5/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks, Matt. All points well taken. > >One reason to have that light OFF during engine off ground ops would be to >make it more palatable to use a blinking LED. After due deliberations, I >committed to the key switch some time back. As you point out, it would >have been easy with mag toggles. A latching defeat switch, perhaps with an >auto timeout in addition to the master cycle reset you suggest, is a >possibility. > >Of course, the oil pressure warn is critical, and mandates a KISS >architecture. No doubt, it's my inclination to complicate it that deserves >a defeat switch. :-) > >Ron Do you have a low voltage warning light? Does it not flash? The reason for flashing lights is to get attention to an urgent matter. Another advantage of flashing lights is to remind you to turn the master switch(es) off after engine shutdown. I'm curious as to the driver behind efforts to defeat the ideas that drove the original design goals for these lights. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification From: 2.3-2.5 supercharged. I am at the same position - working through the wires. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Fulmer Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification --> What kind of Subaru Glenn? I am trying to nail down my Z19RB/Eggenfellner Hybrid wiring diagram. Allen Fulmer RV7 w/Eggenfellner E6Ti on firewall Wiring/Avionics Alexander City, AL 35010 >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of >>>longg@pjm.com >>>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:06 AM >>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification >>> >>> >>> >>>Bob or someone who has already done this... >>> >>>1. The DC Power Master Off/Bat/Bat + Alt switch depicted on the >>>diagram does print clearly in terms of the switch number. Is that a >>>(2-10) or (2-11)? >>> >>> >>>2. I have the 48 point B & C grounding block on instrument panel (G3) >>>do I need to bother with the avionics ground bus? All of my equipment >>>is close by and I have 48 connections there anyway, why not use G3? >>> >>>3. What is the B & C part number for the alternate e-bus feed relay? >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Glenn, >>>Subaru powered Lancair Legacy >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification From: Carlos, If you have H6 you have a heavy motor. Egg claims - oh it's about the same weight as the 360, that's B.S. unless you don't add oil and throw away the starter, alt etc. IMO - The Lycoming 360 is available in some 30 different configurations and you can get the same power that Egg gets out of the H6 for 50+ lbs less. They both burn the same fuel and with the Lycoming you win with weight, reliability and no coolant issues. Those Egg guys are forever fighting the high temps. I am working with a 4 cylinder which will be gently aspirated to 180-200 hp. My engine will be 100 lbs less than the H6. Yes, the H6 may last a few hours longer blah blah, but I don't need the baggage. We have developed a cooling oil/water system which I think is superior to the Egg job. No issues to date. At some point I'll cover up the secrets and take some pictures. Ok, now back to these wires :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:10 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification --> Wow, Glenn "Lighter but more powerful than the Egg", how did you do it? Can you share details? Carlos Do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of longg@pjm.com > Sent: segunda-feira, 5 de Maio de 2008 18:19 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification > > > Custom built - the H6 Egg was too heavy for my design, so we decided > to build our own. Funny, I too am trying to compare the two electrical > designs and make one that compliments both schematics. Since my engine > is lighter but more powerful than the Egg crate, I will be installing > my batteries up front which will save a bunch of Saturdays snaking > wires to the rear. Keep in touch, it would be fun to compare designs > when finished. At some point I will start taking pictures and post on > my blog. > > Glenn > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:22 AM PST US From: CardinalNSB@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Info on TKM "LED" cdi Can anyone direct me to info on the TKM cdi, in particular whether it will work with the Garmin and King KNS80 units (I know they need a resolver)? and whether its internal switcher switches all input, or if it is like the King 209A and apparently bypasses the resolver? Anyone use this unit, like or not, I know some don't like the led lights and prefer the needles? Thanks, Skip **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:07 AM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic Ron, You could check the continuity of the unused terminals LR and BO on the back of the ACS key switch. Check from LR and BO to BAT and to GROUIND and to terminals R and L with the switch in different positions. Report your findings back here and maybe someone can use that information to help you. Even if those unused terminals are of no use for your application, knowing how they are wired is useful information that could help others. This website http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08448.pdf has a pinout of the back of the switch, but there is no schematic to show exactly how the switch is wired internally. Adding a circuit component that disables the low pressure warning light introduces a failure point that could prevent the light from warning you when needed. Joe ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification From: Scott, I did some review again yesterday and I believe you are on the right track. The two can compliment each other. Bob goes further in supporting additional equipment. I am basing my setup on Bob's model, but will use the starter, alternator bypass from Jan's drawing. I will not use the big 200A anl's between the battery. As Bob would point out the disconnect needs to come from the crowbar OV, not the battery. If Jan's model protects the battery but not the system you haven't gained anything. If the alternator is about to detonate the battery, you'd better catch it long before the ANL blows. If my system is doing anything but 13.7 - 14.5 Bob's model will let you know about it or respond to it. Under normal circumstances good monitoring far exceeds the value of waiting until the battery is overloaded or worse. When you look at what Bob has written and transpose it over Jan's model, they really accomplish the same goal. Jan is eliminating the starter contactor which I think has other advantages as far as wiring. Bob has added OV protection and notification of system variances which makes for better monitoring. Jan's model is sort of wiring for dummies. It will definitely work, but it's not a good solution for control freaks. Also, Jan likes that big expensive 4P3T 12 position switch which to me is just a big $$$ single point of failure. So when you break it down you can probably create the best of both by combining efforts. If you like we can be your peers! Attach a copy when you get a chance. Glenn Long Lancair Legacy FG N3UH -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott R. Shook Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification --> For my Z19/Egg Hybrid wiring, I used all of Jan's recommendations for supplying electrical power to the engine ECU, prop, and fuel pumps. The Z19 part comes in with the other components in the electrical system. It's not totally complete, but if you want a look and have TurboCad or a DXF or DWG reader, I would be happy to send it. Disclaimer: I am not flying, and the drawing has not been peer reviewed yet. Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Fulmer Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2008 09:29 Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification What kind of Subaru Glenn? I am trying to nail down my Z19RB/Eggenfellner Hybrid wiring diagram. Allen Fulmer RV7 w/Eggenfellner E6Ti on firewall Wiring/Avionics Alexander City, AL 35010 >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of >>>longg@pjm.com >>>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:06 AM >>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-19 Item Clarification >>> >>> >>> >>>Bob or someone who has already done this... >>> >>>1. The DC Power Master Off/Bat/Bat + Alt switch depicted on the >>>diagram does print clearly in terms of the switch number. Is that a >>>(2-10) or (2-11)? >>> >>> >>>2. I have the 48 point B & C grounding block on instrument panel (G3) >>>do I need to bother with the avionics ground bus? All of my equipment >>>is close by and I have 48 connections there anyway, why not use G3? >>> >>>3. What is the B & C part number for the alternate e-bus feed relay? >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Glenn, >>>Subaru powered Lancair Legacy >>> >>>Do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:34 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic At 10:55 AM 5/6/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Ron, >You could check the continuity of the unused terminals LR and BO on the >back of the ACS key switch. Check from LR and BO to BAT and to GROUIND >and to terminals R and L with the switch in different positions. Report >your findings back here and maybe someone can use that information to help >you. Even if those unused terminals are of no use for your application, >knowing how they are wired is useful information that could help >others. This website >http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08448.pdf >has a pinout of the back of the switch, but there is no schematic to show >exactly how the switch is wired internally. Adding a circuit component >that disables the low pressure warning light introduces a failure point >that could prevent the light from warning you when needed. >Joe Functionality of the internal workings of the classic off-l-r-both-start switch is described at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z26-27K.pdf Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:49 AM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@cox.net> wrote: > nuckolls.bob@cox.net> > > At 02:29 PM 5/5/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > Thanks, Matt. All points well taken. > > > > One reason to have that light OFF during engine off ground ops would be > > to make it more palatable to use a blinking LED. After due deliberations, I > > committed to the key switch some time back. As you point out, it would have > > been easy with mag toggles. A latching defeat switch, perhaps with an auto > > timeout in addition to the master cycle reset you suggest, is a possibility. > > > > Of course, the oil pressure warn is critical, and mandates a KISS > > architecture. No doubt, it's my inclination to complicate it that deserves a > > defeat switch. :-) > > > > Ron > > > > Do you have a low voltage warning light? Does it not flash? > The reason for flashing lights is to get attention to an > urgent matter. Another advantage of flashing lights is to > remind you to turn the master switch(es) off after engine > shutdown. > > I'm curious as to the driver behind efforts to defeat the > ideas that drove the original design goals for these lights. > > Bob . . . Bob, I thought I had explained the driver -- not necessarily a sufficient one -- to allow ground ops (programming GPS, etc.) without having the oil pressure warn light blinking away. (Yes, my LV warn light will blink, and the same issue may apply when not on ground power.) I did concede at the outset and again above that this concern may not be important enough to change the circuit, logic, etc. Just a puzzle that I thought worthy of discussion if, and only if, it could be solved safely and reliably. Ron ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:00 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Artex ME406 At 12:52 PM 5/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: > > > The instructions call for a 1/4 amp slo blo fuse. Any ideas as to where to >source this item? http://www.elexp.com/fus_0mdl.htm Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:46 AM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Joe wrote: > Ron, > You could check the continuity of the unused terminals LR and BO on the > back of the ACS key switch. Check from LR and BO to BAT and to GROUIND and > to terminals R and L with the switch in different positions. Report your > findings back here and maybe someone can use that information to help you. > Even if those unused terminals are of no use for your application, knowing > how they are wired is useful information that could help others. This > website http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08448.pdf has > a pinout of the back of the switch, but there is no schematic to show > exactly how the switch is wired internally. Adding a circuit component that > disables the low pressure warning light introduces a failure point that > could prevent the light from warning you when needed. > Joe > The key switch model without START doesn't have those terminals. Just GND, L and R. I realize this proposal could introduce failure points, and thought I had already acknowledged that, though perhaps not enough. Surely the fact that some proposal may introduce failure points if not done right is not a reason to explore possible ways to do it right. Ron ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:16 AM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: oil pressure warn logic On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@cox.net> wrote: > nuckolls.bob@cox.net> > ... > Functionality of the internal workings of the classic off-l-r-both-start > switch is described at: > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z26-27K.pdf > > > Bob . . . > Understood. I referenced Z-27 in the first post in this thread. Ron ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:41 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AC switches in DC applications At 12:00 PM 5/4/2008 -0500, you wrote: >Bob > >I know this has been discussed before. I'm unable to find the reference in >the connection about AC switches, there ratings and how to make sure you >are using an appropriate AC switch in a DC application. > >Thanks >Jonsey See http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Switch_Ratings.pdf Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:27 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AW: New HOBBS Idea At 09:37 AM 5/1/2008 +0200, you wrote: > > > There is another clever solution for hooking up the Hobbs to your engine: >Comco Ikarus (http://www.comco-ikarus.de/index_english.html) sells an >electronic filter produced by Utz Schicke (producer of the Schicke GR6 >regulator for Rotax engines) which hooks directly to the AC wires of the >alternator. Whenever the alternator is in action (even with the regulator >shut off), the Hobbs (or an other brand of hour meter) gets DC power and is >active too. I got my filter for 65 Euros. It's also possible to do-it-yerself. Here's an approach I sketched for some folks several years ago: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Schematics/Hourmeter_Adapter_for_PM_Alternators.pdf It's a simple AC/DC rectifier combined with a shunt regulator to keep the capacitor from charging up to un-restrained maximum that can be well over 50 volts in cruise rpm. The transistor needs to be heat-sinked to an aluminum enclosure. It should also be insulated from the heatsink. Hence the call-out for an insulator kit on the drawing. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:49 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 90 degree disconnect - what kind of crimp tool? At 01:43 PM 5/3/2008 -0700, you wrote: > >Due to space limitations I have a need for a 90 degree disconnect/fast-on. >I've obtained both the insulated and bare versions but I am not sure how >to go about crimping these little suckers. > >I guess I could put them in a vise and screw until crushed flat. Seems >heavy handed after using my nice PIDG crimp tool. > >Thanks for any pointers, > >Mike If your existing tools won't do it, you can look for an alternative tool or process. Consider the hardware store tool like: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Crimp_Tools/Two_Shot_Crimp_Tool.jpg Tools specific to that terminal are probably not cheap and you only need to do a few installations. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: AW: New HOBBS Idea From: Ira, Great find. This has to be the simplest solution yet. No wires! Yeah! I suppose it still have moving parts like those old Swiss watch movements where you shook them up to wind them, but it should last for years. The best price I found so far is about $50.00 from ENM. If anyone finds a better price, please post. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa (Alfred Buess) Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:37 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: AW: New HOBBS Idea --> There is another clever solution for hooking up the Hobbs to your engine: Comco Ikarus (http://www.comco-ikarus.de/index_english.html) sells an electronic filter produced by Utz Schicke (producer of the Schicke GR6 regulator for Rotax engines) which hooks directly to the AC wires of the alternator. Whenever the alternator is in action (even with the regulator shut off), the Hobbs (or an other brand of hour meter) gets DC power and is active too. I got my filter for 65 Euros. Alfred Alfred Buess, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland E-Mail: ykibuess@bluewin.ch Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam wing, Rotax 912ULS, Airmaster 332 CS -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von rampil Gesendet: Montag, 14. April 2008 12:43 An: rotaxengines-list@matronics.com Betreff: RotaxEngines-List: New HOBBS Idea --> RotaxEngines-List message posted by: "rampil" At SnF this year, my best find was a small device for engine time recording. It is completely independent of and connections to the rest of the aircraft (power or engine). It time the duration of vibration! When the engine is running, the timer is going with its own 5 yr battery. Its made by ENM and I purchased it at PSA aircraft Supply (Lakeland, FL) for $22 (half retail from ENM) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176686#176686 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:57 PM PST US From: "Henry Trzeciakowski" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Torque Values ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Trzeciakowski Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Torque Values Bob: I just can't find any info on what the torque values are for the large and small terminals on the Battery Contactor and Starter Contactor. Any assistance appreciated. Hank ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:46 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Torque Values Hi Hank, I usually tighten those up until the lock washer compresses, then snug it just a little more. FWIW Bob W. Do not archive On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:33:24 -0700 "Henry Trzeciakowski" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Henry Trzeciakowski > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: Torque Values > > > Bob: > > I just can't find any info on what the torque values are for the large and small terminals on the Battery Contactor and Starter Contactor. > > Any assistance appreciated. > > Hank > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/cables/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:55 PM PST US From: "Bill Bradburry" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Artex ME406 Thanks, Bob. I will have to look around in there a little. They have a $20 min order and my fuse and holder is only about $1.35. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Artex ME406 --> At 12:52 PM 5/5/2008 -0400, you wrote: > > > The instructions call for a 1/4 amp slo blo fuse. Any ideas as to >where to source this item? http://www.elexp.com/fus_0mdl.htm Bob . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.