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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Ivor Phillips)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Brett Ferrell)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/06/08 (fox5flyer)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 10/19/07 (fox5flyer)
5. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/20/08 (fox5flyer)
6. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/02/08 (fox5flyer)
7. 05:14 AM - Re: Batteries (Bret Smith)
8. 10:49 AM - Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice (Larry L. Tompkins, P.E.)
9. 12:07 PM - Re: Batteries (Greg Young)
10. 02:26 PM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Gilles Thesee)
11. 07:13 PM - Re: Batteries (fiveonepw@aol.com)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Batteries (fiveonepw@aol.com)
13. 07:49 PM - Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice (Ernest Christley)
14. 10:54 PM - Ring terminal (Dennis Jones)
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Subject: | Garmin SL 30 install manual ? |
Hi Gilles
I have two hard copies, If nobody can offer a PDF already done, I can
copy to PDF and send it to you
Regards
Ivor
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Sent: 02 June 2008 22:21
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ?
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi all,
Anyone happen to have a Garmin SL 30 Nav-Comm installation manual ?
Any input appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
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http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? |
On my website:
http://www.velocityxl.com/Downloads/SL30Nav_Comm_InstallationManual.pdf
http://www.velocityxl.com/SL30Nav_Comm_UserGuide.pdf
http://www.velocityxl.com/Downloads/SL30Nav_Comm_QuickReferenceGuide.pdf
Brett
Ivor Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Gilles
> I have two hard copies, If nobody can offer a PDF already done, I can
> copy to PDF and send it to you
> Regards
> Ivor
>
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> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Gilles Thesee
> Sent: 02 June 2008 22:21
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> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ?
>
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone happen to have a Garmin SL 30 Nav-Comm installation manual ?
>
> Any input appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Best regards,
>
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Mark,
Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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From: fiveonepw@aol.com
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.>>>
Seems every time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing
over the issue and offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on
my RV for almost five years, currently about $80 bux/pop:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-N
D
Sad part is that the first one I bought was maybe $45...
>From The PossumWorks in TN,
Mark
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From: simon@synchronousdesign.com
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
And report findings back to the group. This will take several years if
the batteries are worth their weight in lead. It's worth it, though,
because we need new known good vendors of these new technology AGM
batteries.
Interstate used to be my vendor of choice for car batteries long ago
when
they had superior batteries. Then they started carrying Optima
batteries,
which were six gell cells wrapped in cylindrical fashion. They were
military technology fresh out to the civilian world. I've had them in
two
of my three cars for about five years now with no problems until last
month. One of them gave out, so I replaced it with an Odyssey flat
plate
AGM cell. Although many have great success with the PC-680 and PC-925L
for years, I'm using a different Odyssey battery (automotive) for this
application, but it uses the same technology - flat plate instead of
circular plate like the Optima uses. I am hoping it delivers the
advertised 8-10 years instead of the 5 years Optima delivered.
Simon in Florida
> I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.
>
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dennis Jones <djones@northboone.net>
> wrote:
>
>> O.K. how about this. Interstate has a wide selection. For example
>> FAYTX20 18AH 270CCA 11 lbs. $104.95 or the other end FAYTX24HL
>> 21AH 350CCA 14 lbs. $132.95. Unless Interstate batteries are junk
>> these batt. numbers smoke an Odyssey. That's a 20% increase in AH
>> and over 50% increase in CCA for the same weight and approximately
>> the same price. Or have a little more power and save over 25% in
>> weight plus your pocket book. There about the same size overall
>> compared with each other and the other types including the
>> Odyssey. And they are AGM type. Drive across town buy the thing
>> and if you have problems you go back and talk to them in person.
>> No internet return headaches.
>>
>> Jonsey
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Subject: | Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice |
Ernest:
It is my understanding that the SD-20 has both a wound stator and a
wound coil, i.e., no permanent magnets. Therefore it is "off" until
power to the field windings is switched on.
Let me try to do a better job asking my question. The SD-8 is
continuously producing output. Does that mean it also has the
continuous potential to produce electrical noise? On the other hand,
the SD-20 is spinning continuously, but does not produce output unless
the field circuit is switched "on." What is the potential for the SD-20
to generate electrical noise when it is spinning and not producing
output?
My question about "wear" was exceptionally poorly phrased. I am
actually interested in knowing whether there is more mechanical wear
(bearings) because the SD-8 is "on" all the time vs. the SD-20, which
would only be "on" during a primary alternator failure (I suspect this
may have more to do with the relative mechanical robustness of the
devices than anything else). Further, I was trying to understand if
mechanical wear on the SD-8 would increase its "noise signature" over
time and if mechanical wear on the SD-20 would eventually result in an
electrical "noise signature" even with the alternator off. I hope I did
a better job of asking my questions this time.
Larry
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Not all of them will fit without some modification to the battery box. The
Odyssey PC-680 corners (and the box) have a big radius on the corners and
the other brands have much sharper corners. Consequently they don't fit even
though width and depth are the same. I cut the back out of the box Van's
provides and riveted the brackets on leaving a little extra depth. If I ever
put an Odyssey in it I can use some rubber baffle material as a shim.
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
Mark,
Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.
>>>
Seems every time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing over
the issue and offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on my RV for
almost five years, currently about $80 bux/pop:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-ND
Sad part is that the first one I bought was maybe $45...
>From The PossumWorks in TN,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: simon@synchronousdesign.com
Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
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Subject: | Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? |
Thank you to everyone who responded on-list as well as off-list.
I now have a .pdf copy of the manual.
It's nice to get so much help and so quickly !
Thanks a lot,
Best regards,
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http://contrails.free.fr
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Do you know if this battery will fit inside the
PC-680 battery box?
>>>
Here's the datasheet from Digikey for the Panasonic:
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1220P_LC_X1220AP.pdfhttp://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680.htm
...and for the PC680 from West Coast Batteries:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680.htm
I found this battery is available from Summit Racing for $120, but didn't do an
extensive price search.
Main difference I see is the 680 has 6mm threaded holes in the top for connection
with bolts, the Panasonic has lead lugs for connection with 5mm bolts (supplied
with battery).? I doubt there is a hillabeans difference in their internal
construction or performance.? Other than the extra 3Ah the Panasonic claims.?
I've used the Panasonic exclusively in my plane (O-320, 150 hp) and also the
recent IO-360 I helped with, and it has performed very well in both cases.? The
Jabirus I am now working on use Odyssey batteries, but I'm trying to educate
them...
Looks like they are about the same size.? I also measured the box included with
Van's FWF kit for the recent project (which I did not use) and it appears either
will fit in the box.
Mark
From: Bret Smith <smithhb@tds.net>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 7:04 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
Mark,
?
Do you know if this battery will fit inside the
PC-680 battery box?
?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge,
GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
Batteries
I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.
>>>
Seems every
time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing over the issue and
offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on my RV for almost five
years, currently about $80 bux/pop:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-ND
Sad part is that the first one I
bought was maybe $45...
>From The PossumWorks in
TN,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From:
simon@synchronousdesign.com
Sent:
Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries
And report findings back to the group. This will take several years if
the batteries are worth their weight in lead. It's worth it, though,
because we need new known good vendors of these new technology AGM
batteries.
Interstate used to be my vendor of choice for car batteries long ago when
they had superior batteries. Then they started carrying Optima batteries,
which were six gell cells wrapped in cylindrical fashion. They were
military technology fresh out to the civilian world. I've had them in two
of my three cars for about five years now with no problems until last
month. One of them gave out, so I replaced it with an Odyssey flat plate
AGM cell. Although many have great success with the PC-680 and PC-925L
for years, I'm using a different Odyssey battery (automotive) for this
application, but it uses the same technology - flat plate instead of
circular plate like the Optima uses. I am hoping it delivers the
advertised 8-10 years instead of the 5 years Optima delivered.
Simon in Florida
> I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.
>
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dennis Jones <djones@northboone.net>
> wrote:
>
>> O.K. how about this. Interstate has a wide selection. For example
>> FAYTX20 18AH 270CCA 11 lbs. $104.95 or the other end FAYTX24HL
>> 21AH 350CCA 14 lbs. $132.95. Unless Interstate batteries are junk
>> these batt. numbers smoke an Odyssey. That's a 20% increase in AH
>> and over 50% increase in CCA for the same weight and approximately
>> the same price. Or have a little more power and save over 25% in
>> weight plus your pocket book. There about the same size overall
>> compared with each other and the other types including the
>> Odyssey. And they are AGM type. Drive across town buy the thing
>> and if you have problems you go back and talk to them in person.
>> No internet return headaches.
>>
>> Jonsey
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Dang- let's try that again:
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1220P_LC_X1220AP.pdf
Gawd I hate changing ISPs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark
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Subject: | Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice |
Larry L. Tompkins, P.E. wrote:
> Ernest:
>
> It is my understanding that the SD-20 has both a wound stator and a wound coil,
i.e., no permanent magnets. Therefore it is "off" until power to the field
windings is switched on.
>
> Let me try to do a better job asking my question. The SD-8 is continuously producing
output. Does that mean it also has the continuous potential to produce
electrical noise?
The amount of noise radiated would need some good lab equipment to pick
up. You won't have a problem with your radios.
> On the other hand, the SD-20 is spinning continuously, but does not produce output
unless the field circuit is switched "on." What is the potential for the
SD-20 to generate electrical noise when it is spinning and not producing output?
>
>
Zero.
> My question about "wear" was exceptionally poorly phrased. I am actually interested
in knowing whether there is more mechanical wear (bearings) because the
SD-8 is "on" all the time vs. the SD-20, which would only be "on" during a primary
alternator failure (I suspect this may have more to do with the relative
mechanical robustness of the devices than anything else). Further, I was trying
to understand if mechanical wear on the SD-8 would increase its "noise signature"
over time and if mechanical wear on the SD-20 would eventually result
in an electrical "noise signature" even with the alternator off. I hope I did
a better job of asking my questions this time.
>
> Larry
>
The nice thing about these generators vs an alternator is that they
don't have the side loads imposed by a belt and pully system. The gear
will eventually wear out, but because the weights and forces on the
spinning parts are all balanced, there is very little wear on the
bearings. And the gear will most likely outlast your engine.
--
http://www.ronpaultimeline.com
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I need to find a ring terminal for the starter such that the #2 wire
comes off at a 90 degree angle. Any ideas/help.
Jonsey
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