---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/03/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:35 AM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Ivor Phillips) 2. 03:46 AM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Brett Ferrell) 3. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/06/08 (fox5flyer) 4. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 10/19/07 (fox5flyer) 5. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 03/20/08 (fox5flyer) 6. 04:31 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 06/02/08 (fox5flyer) 7. 05:14 AM - Re: Batteries (Bret Smith) 8. 10:49 AM - Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice (Larry L. Tompkins, P.E.) 9. 12:07 PM - Re: Batteries (Greg Young) 10. 02:26 PM - Re: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? (Gilles Thesee) 11. 07:13 PM - Re: Batteries (fiveonepw@aol.com) 12. 07:34 PM - Re: Batteries (fiveonepw@aol.com) 13. 07:49 PM - Re: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice (Ernest Christley) 14. 10:54 PM - Ring terminal (Dennis Jones) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:54 AM PST US From: "Ivor Phillips" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? Hi Gilles I have two hard copies, If nobody can offer a PDF already done, I can copy to PDF and send it to you Regards Ivor -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gilles Thesee Sent: 02 June 2008 22:21 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? Hi all, Anyone happen to have a Garmin SL 30 Nav-Comm installation manual ? Any input appreciated. Thanks in advance, Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:08 AM PST US From: Brett Ferrell Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? On my website: http://www.velocityxl.com/Downloads/SL30Nav_Comm_InstallationManual.pdf http://www.velocityxl.com/SL30Nav_Comm_UserGuide.pdf http://www.velocityxl.com/Downloads/SL30Nav_Comm_QuickReferenceGuide.pdf Brett Ivor Phillips wrote: > > Hi Gilles > I have two hard copies, If nobody can offer a PDF already done, I can > copy to PDF and send it to you > Regards > Ivor > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Gilles Thesee > Sent: 02 June 2008 22:21 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? > > > > Hi all, > > Anyone happen to have a Garmin SL 30 Nav-Comm installation manual ? > > Any input appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Best regards, > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:15 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 05/06/08 From: "fox5flyer" Subject: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8C549.CF4306E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8C549.CF4306E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm away from my desk for a few days. Please email me later. Deke ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8C549.CF4306E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8C549.CF4306E0-- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:51 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries Mark, Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box? Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: fiveonepw@aol.com To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data.>>> Seems every time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing over the issue and offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on my RV for almost five years, currently about $80 bux/pop: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-N D Sad part is that the first one I bought was maybe $45... >From The PossumWorks in TN, Mark -----Original Message----- From: simon@synchronousdesign.com To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries And report findings back to the group. This will take several years if the batteries are worth their weight in lead. It's worth it, though, because we need new known good vendors of these new technology AGM batteries. Interstate used to be my vendor of choice for car batteries long ago when they had superior batteries. Then they started carrying Optima batteries, which were six gell cells wrapped in cylindrical fashion. They were military technology fresh out to the civilian world. I've had them in two of my three cars for about five years now with no problems until last month. One of them gave out, so I replaced it with an Odyssey flat plate AGM cell. Although many have great success with the PC-680 and PC-925L for years, I'm using a different Odyssey battery (automotive) for this application, but it uses the same technology - flat plate instead of circular plate like the Optima uses. I am hoping it delivers the advertised 8-10 years instead of the 5 years Optima delivered. Simon in Florida > I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data. > > Sam > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dennis Jones > wrote: > >> O.K. how about this. Interstate has a wide selection. For example >> FAYTX20 18AH 270CCA 11 lbs. $104.95 or the other end FAYTX24HL >> 21AH 350CCA 14 lbs. $132.95. Unless Interstate batteries are junk >> these batt. numbers smoke an Odyssey. That's a 20% increase in AH >> and over 50% increase in CCA for the same weight and approximately >> the same price. Or have a little more power and save over 25% in >> weight plus your pocket book. There about the same size overall >> compared with each other and the other types including the >> Odyssey. And they are AGM type. Drive across town buy the thing >> and if you have problems you go back and talk to them in person. >> No internet return headaches. >> >> Jonsey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Stay informed, get connected and more http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:57 AM PST US From: "Larry L. Tompkins, P.E." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice Ernest: It is my understanding that the SD-20 has both a wound stator and a wound coil, i.e., no permanent magnets. Therefore it is "off" until power to the field windings is switched on. Let me try to do a better job asking my question. The SD-8 is continuously producing output. Does that mean it also has the continuous potential to produce electrical noise? On the other hand, the SD-20 is spinning continuously, but does not produce output unless the field circuit is switched "on." What is the potential for the SD-20 to generate electrical noise when it is spinning and not producing output? My question about "wear" was exceptionally poorly phrased. I am actually interested in knowing whether there is more mechanical wear (bearings) because the SD-8 is "on" all the time vs. the SD-20, which would only be "on" during a primary alternator failure (I suspect this may have more to do with the relative mechanical robustness of the devices than anything else). Further, I was trying to understand if mechanical wear on the SD-8 would increase its "noise signature" over time and if mechanical wear on the SD-20 would eventually result in an electrical "noise signature" even with the alternator off. I hope I did a better job of asking my questions this time. Larry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:25 PM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Batteries Not all of them will fit without some modification to the battery box. The Odyssey PC-680 corners (and the box) have a big radius on the corners and the other brands have much sharper corners. Consequently they don't fit even though width and depth are the same. I cut the back out of the box Van's provides and riveted the brackets on leaving a little extra depth. If I ever put an Odyssey in it I can use some rubber baffle material as a shim. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries Mark, Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box? Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: fiveonepw@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data. >>> Seems every time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing over the issue and offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on my RV for almost five years, currently about $80 bux/pop: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-ND Sad part is that the first one I bought was maybe $45... >From The PossumWorks in TN, Mark -----Original Message----- From: simon@synchronousdesign.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:08 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin SL 30 install manual ? Thank you to everyone who responded on-list as well as off-list. I now have a .pdf copy of the manual. It's nice to get so much help and so quickly ! Thanks a lot, Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries From: fiveonepw@aol.com Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box? >>> Here's the datasheet from Digikey for the Panasonic: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1220P_LC_X1220AP.pdfhttp://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680.htm ...and for the PC680 from West Coast Batteries: http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680.htm I found this battery is available from Summit Racing for $120, but didn't do an extensive price search. Main difference I see is the 680 has 6mm threaded holes in the top for connection with bolts, the Panasonic has lead lugs for connection with 5mm bolts (supplied with battery).? I doubt there is a hillabeans difference in their internal construction or performance.? Other than the extra 3Ah the Panasonic claims.? I've used the Panasonic exclusively in my plane (O-320, 150 hp) and also the recent IO-360 I helped with, and it has performed very well in both cases.? The Jabirus I am now working on use Odyssey batteries, but I'm trying to educate them... Looks like they are about the same size.? I also measured the box included with Van's FWF kit for the recent project (which I did not use) and it appears either will fit in the box. Mark From: Bret Smith Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 7:04 am Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries Mark, ? Do you know if this battery will fit inside the PC-680 battery box? ? Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: fiveonepw@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data. >>> Seems every time the battery issue pops up I listen to the agonizing over the issue and offer this solution that has worked quite nicely on my RV for almost five years, currently about $80 bux/pop: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=P231-ND Sad part is that the first one I bought was maybe $45... >From The PossumWorks in TN, Mark -----Original Message----- From: simon@synchronousdesign.com Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:26 am Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries And report findings back to the group. This will take several years if the batteries are worth their weight in lead. It's worth it, though, because we need new known good vendors of these new technology AGM batteries. Interstate used to be my vendor of choice for car batteries long ago when they had superior batteries. Then they started carrying Optima batteries, which were six gell cells wrapped in cylindrical fashion. They were military technology fresh out to the civilian world. I've had them in two of my three cars for about five years now with no problems until last month. One of them gave out, so I replaced it with an Odyssey flat plate AGM cell. Although many have great success with the PC-680 and PC-925L for years, I'm using a different Odyssey battery (automotive) for this application, but it uses the same technology - flat plate instead of circular plate like the Optima uses. I am hoping it delivers the advertised 8-10 years instead of the 5 years Optima delivered. Simon in Florida > I believe Bob would say to do the tests and gather the data. > > Sam > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Dennis Jones > wrote: > >> O.K. how about this. Interstate has a wide selection. For example >> FAYTX20 18AH 270CCA 11 lbs. $104.95 or the other end FAYTX24HL >> 21AH 350CCA 14 lbs. $132.95. Unless Interstate batteries are junk >> these batt. numbers smoke an Odyssey. That's a 20% increase in AH >> and over 50% increase in CCA for the same weight and approximately >> the same price. Or have a little more power and save over 25% in >> weight plus your pocket book. There about the same size overall >> compared with each other and the other types including the >> Odyssey. And they are AGM type. Drive across town buy the thing >> and if you have problems you go back and talk to them in person. >> No internet return headaches. >> >> Jonsey Stay informed, get connected and more http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List --> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Batteries From: fiveonepw@aol.com Dang- let's try that again: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1220P_LC_X1220AP.pdf Gawd I hate changing ISPs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:54 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SD-8 vs. SD-20 choice Larry L. Tompkins, P.E. wrote: > Ernest: > > It is my understanding that the SD-20 has both a wound stator and a wound coil, i.e., no permanent magnets. Therefore it is "off" until power to the field windings is switched on. > > Let me try to do a better job asking my question. The SD-8 is continuously producing output. Does that mean it also has the continuous potential to produce electrical noise? The amount of noise radiated would need some good lab equipment to pick up. You won't have a problem with your radios. > On the other hand, the SD-20 is spinning continuously, but does not produce output unless the field circuit is switched "on." What is the potential for the SD-20 to generate electrical noise when it is spinning and not producing output? > > Zero. > My question about "wear" was exceptionally poorly phrased. I am actually interested in knowing whether there is more mechanical wear (bearings) because the SD-8 is "on" all the time vs. the SD-20, which would only be "on" during a primary alternator failure (I suspect this may have more to do with the relative mechanical robustness of the devices than anything else). Further, I was trying to understand if mechanical wear on the SD-8 would increase its "noise signature" over time and if mechanical wear on the SD-20 would eventually result in an electrical "noise signature" even with the alternator off. I hope I did a better job of asking my questions this time. > > Larry > The nice thing about these generators vs an alternator is that they don't have the side loads imposed by a belt and pully system. The gear will eventually wear out, but because the weights and forces on the spinning parts are all balanced, there is very little wear on the bearings. And the gear will most likely outlast your engine. -- http://www.ronpaultimeline.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:59 PM PST US From: "Dennis Jones" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ring terminal I need to find a ring terminal for the starter such that the #2 wire comes off at a 90 degree angle. Any ideas/help. 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