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1. 08:21 AM - P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Dave VanLanen)
2. 09:02 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Bill Bradburry)
3. 09:27 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Bob White)
4. 09:43 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Ron Shannon)
5. 10:11 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 11:19 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Bob White)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 03:05 PM - Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question (Ron Shannon)
9. 06:23 PM - Electrical problems (Jaybannist@cs.com)
10. 06:34 PM - ()
11. 08:28 PM - Re: Electrical problems (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 08:32 PM - Re: OV Module Note and Master Switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 11:06 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:10 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling
system to label wires. I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID
tape, which is designed specifically for "flag" labeling wires, cables, etc.
I needed to "flag" label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too
small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method. A couple of days after
applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.
Has anyone else used this tape to "flag" label any of their wires, and if
so, what was your experience? Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
I am using the exact same equipment and having very similar experiences.
The flags don't seem to come all the way off, but they get loose and can
move up and down the wires. They make a product with stronger adhesive, but
the tape is stiffer and the results are similar. The stronger adhesive
works for labeling my fuse box tho'.
Bill B
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
VanLanen
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:18 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling
system to label wires. I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID
tape, which is designed specifically for "flag" labeling wires, cables, etc.
I needed to "flag" label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too
small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method. A couple of days after
applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.
Has anyone else used this tape to "flag" label any of their wires, and if
so, what was your experience? Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
For low volume marking, I've found that making a label by writing on
3/32 white shrink tubing with a fine line Sharpie does a good job. For
the 26 AWG wire, you might need to put a piece of 1/16 shrink on
before shrinking the label on. I've used the 3/32 on 22 AWG Tefzel,
and it sticks in place, but if you push on it, it will come loose and
slide on the wire.
Bob W.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:17:58 -0500
"Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I came across suggestions on the list for using the Brother P-Touch labeling
> system to label wires. I purchased a PT-1830 printer and the flexible ID
> tape, which is designed specifically for "flag" labeling wires, cables, etc.
> I needed to "flag" label the small servo wires (26 AWG) because they are too
> small for using the label wrap / heat shrink method. A couple of days after
> applying the labels, I noticed that they started to come loose.
>
> Has anyone else used this tape to "flag" label any of their wires, and if
> so, what was your experience? Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape
and, using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space
equal to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwise
on top and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape
around the wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and
itself. A true flag. Have not had one come off yet.
Ron
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| Subject: | P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do this?
I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about 1000hours between
them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.
I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't see any reason I
should so far.
Frank
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectr
ic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape an
d, using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space
equal to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwis
e on top and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape
around the wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and its
elf. A true flag. Have not had one come off yet.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
Hi Frank,
It all depends on what happens someday when something goes wrong, or
you want to modify something. Maybe you enjoy a good puzzle. It will
be even more fun if you use only white wire too. :)
I think writing on shrink tubing is easier than all that snipping and
trimming.
Bob W. (Not advocating that anyone should do anything.)
Do not archive
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:07:07 +0000
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do this?
>
> I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about 1000hours between them
the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.
>
> I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't see any reason I should
so far.
>
> Frank
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Shannon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
>
> FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape and,
using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space equal
to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwise on top
and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape around the
wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and itself. A true flag.
Have not had one come off yet.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
Yes fair point...and I used black wire for all my grounds so at least half of them
are identifiable..:)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob White
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
Hi Frank,
It all depends on what happens someday when something goes wrong, or you want to
modify something. Maybe you enjoy a good puzzle. It will be even more fun
if you use only white wire too. :)
I think writing on shrink tubing is easier than all that snipping and trimming.
Bob W. (Not advocating that anyone should do anything.)
Do not archive
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:07:07 +0000
"Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do this?
>
> I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about 1000hours between them
the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.
>
> I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't see any reason I should
so far.
>
> Frank
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> Shannon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
>
> FWIW, on smaller gauge wires, I use a label maker with the flexible tape and,
using the smallest font, make a label that's cut with extra white space equal
to the width of the letters. I then trim the 1/2" wide tape lengthwise on top
and bottom, so the tape width is about 1/4". Then I wrap the tape around the
wire perpendicular to the wire, attaching it to the wire and itself. A true flag.
Have not had one come off yet.
>
> Ron
>
>
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N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com
3.8 Hours Total Time and holding
Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/cables/
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| Subject: | Re: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question |
Frank,
I'm glad it's worked out for you, but even though I've been working with
electronics all my life, I have hundreds of wires in the airplane and
wouldn't even consider not labeling them. Perhaps you're joking, but if not,
the reasons labeling wires are part of best practices should be obvious:
reduction or elimination of connection errors, ease of maintenance &
troubleshooting for me and others, better resale value, AC-43 recommends
it... etc., etc. The reason I personally prefer the trimmed label tape flags
on small wires is just that they're easier for me to read when peering into
my very cramped panel space. It takes less than a minute per wire to do.
Ron
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) <
frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
> Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do this?
>
> I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about 1000hours between
> them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.
>
> I did not label a single wire in either airplane and can't see any reason I
> should so far.
>
> Frank
>
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| Subject: | Electrical problems |
Friends,
I have asked these questions directly to several "gurus" and have gotten no
response. Maybe someone on this forum can help me out. Since the forum does not
allow enclosures, I have not attached my electrical schematic. Anyone wishing
to help, please contact me directly and I will send a pdf of my schematic.
I have just begun running the WW-built Corvair 2700 engine on my nearly
completed Zodiac 601XL. At present, according to my Dynon EMS-D10, I have negative
3 or 4 amps output from my alternator. Obviously, I need to find out if that
is actually the case, and if it is, why.
1) Do I have the ammeter shunt correctly connected to the EMS? (Amps Low to
the battery side of the shunt; Amps High to the main bus side)
2) I have seen at least four different ways to connect the S704-1 Alternator
OV Disconnect Relay. Do I have mine correctly configured? (Must see
schematic)
And on another subject:
3) I have each tach lead from the EMS connected through an in-line, fast
blow, 0.5amp fuse, to the negative terminal of the coil. When the engine is
turning 2,000 rpm (according to my hand held optical tach) the EMS tach is very
erratic, reading from 1300 to 1800 rpm, running on either coil. Is there
something I can do to correct this?
Thanks in advance - Jay Bannister
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Great topic,
I have to agree with Ron. I have only been into airplane ownership
and building for 3 years and I can already see the benefits of having
things well marked. My first airplane was a 67' Cherokee which was so
poorly marked I had no idea of where to start to even add a power plug
to that mess. Many thousands of dollars was spent at the avionics shop
to bring a little organization and safety to the catastrophic mess
behind those steam gauges.
On the contrary even adding the simplest labeling scheme allows one
to readily find and trace wires for upgrades, maintenance etc. It will
save you many weekends down the road. If it is done right from the
beginning as part of your process, it's not big deal and only takes a
minute to draft up labels. You will easily spend 3x the time locating
un-labeled wires as you will labeling them. For less than a gallon of
gas you can buy or make enough labeling material for the whole airplane.
Today if I was looking at an airplane that was poorly labeled or had
no labeling at all that would be just cause to walk away from the sale.
Labeling is a personal thing which likely reflects on ones personality
and quality of the workmanship. If you don't label wires, you probably
have a messy desk, an un-organized garage, are not good at detail work
and skip shaving most days. On the other hand you may have a
photographic memory of just where that wire was lying when you hooked it
up :)
Cheers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 5:59 PM
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: P-Touch Wire Labeling Question
Frank,
I'm glad it's worked out for you, but even though I've been
working with electronics all my life, I have hundreds of wires in the
airplane and wouldn't even consider not labeling them. Perhaps you're
joking, but if not, the reasons labeling wires are part of best
practices should be obvious: reduction or elimination of connection
errors, ease of maintenance & troubleshooting for me and others, better
resale value, AC-43 recommends it... etc., etc. The reason I personally
prefer the trimmed label tape flags on small wires is just that they're
easier for me to read when peering into my very cramped panel space. It
takes less than a minute per wire to do.
Ron
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
<frank.hinde@hp.com> wrote:
Wow is it really worth all the effort it takes to do
this?
I mean I have built two airplanes, and flown about about
1000hours between them the latest is IFR and the 601 Zodiac VFR.
I did not label a single wire in either airplane and
can't see any reason I should so far.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical problems |
At 09:19 PM 7/1/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>Friends,
>
>I have asked these questions directly to several "gurus" and have gotten
>no response. Maybe someone on this forum can help me out. Since the forum
>does not allow enclosures, I have not attached my electrical schematic.
>Anyone wishing to help, please contact me directly and I will send a pdf
>of my schematic.
This forum DOES allow attachments. Suggest you
repeat this note for the group. The reason I didn't
respond to your direct inquiry was that I was out
of town and just got back.
>I have just begun running the WW-built Corvair 2700 engine on my nearly
>completed Zodiac 601XL. At present, according to my Dynon EMS-D10, I have
>negative 3 or 4 amps output from my alternator. Obviously, I need to find
>out if that is actually the case, and if it is, why.
Your ammeter shunt is wired to read total electrical
load and has nothing to do with alternator output.
It has not been wired per the recommended architecture
for an alternator load meter . . . therefore, the reading
you're getting may be okay. Does your system have
a voltmeter? What is the bus voltage when engine
RPM is above 2000?
>1) Do I have the ammeter shunt correctly connected to the EMS? (Amps Low
>to the battery side of the shunt; Amps High to the main bus side)
Don't know what Lo and Hi means with respect to your particular
ammeter.
>2) I have seen at least four different ways to connect the S704-1
>Alternator OV Disconnect Relay. Do I have mine correctly configured?
>(Must see schematic)
It's fine
>And on another subject:
>
>3) I have each tach lead from the EMS connected through an in-line, fast
>blow, 0.5amp fuse, to the negative terminal of the coil. When the engine
>is turning 2,000 rpm (according to my hand held optical tach) the EMS tach
>is very erratic, reading from 1300 to 1800 rpm, running on either
>coil. Is there something I can do to correct this?
There might be an individual who knows if the
EMS tachometer circuit is compatible with a Kettering
ignition.
Other noteworthy features in your schematic:
Since you have an all-electric engine, suggest
you run pumps and ignition systems directly from
battery bus. The ignition systems should have their
own fuses right at the bus (like your pumps) as opposed
to the fuses downstream of the power switch.
Suggest you run individual switches for each ignition
and pump circuit so that a switch failure doesn't
kill both pathways.
Suggest flaps run from the main bus, not the endurance
bus.
Bob . . .
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( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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| Subject: | Re: OV Module Note and Master Switch |
At 04:42 AM 6/29/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>--=======AVGMAIL-486AE21A0000======
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>Bob:
>
>The wiring diagram that came with the B&C overvoltage module included the
>following note:
>"IMPORTANT -- BATTERY CONTACTOR AND ALTERNATOR SHOULD COME ON AND OFF
>TOGETHER."
>
>This seems to suggest a 2-3 style switch rather than the 2-10 style that
>I've installed.
>
>Is this 'important' note the latest 'best practice' (newer than Z11), or
>can I be confident with the 2-10 style (where the first position activates
>the battery contactor and the next position the alternator).
That's an artifact from a very old set of instructions
before 2-10 switches were offered from my website and
ultimately B&C's website. The Z-figures with 2-10
switches are correct as shown.
Bob . . .
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( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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