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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Transponder and Radio position (glen matejcek)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Unshielded Twisted Pair (Etienne Phillips)
3. 12:57 PM - [OT] Pronunciation question (Gilles Thesee)
4. 01:25 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (John Morgensen)
5. 01:41 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (Mickey Coggins)
6. 02:21 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (Bill Denton)
7. 02:25 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (jaybannist@cs.com)
8. 02:44 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (Richard Girard)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (Dale Rogers)
10. 06:10 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (Robert McCallum)
11. 06:51 PM - Re: [OT] Pronunciation question (raymondj)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Unshielded Twisted Pair (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: capacitance probes (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: capacitance probes (James Robinson)
15. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: capacitance probes (James Robinson)
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| Subject: | RE: Transponder and Radio position |
In my case, Beckers on the left edge of an RV-8 panel, ergonomics were
equal. However, the transponder consumes a lot more power than the coms
do, so I put it at the top of the stack. Given that heat is the greatest
enemy of our electronics, this should allow my coms to run somewhat cooler.
FWIW-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Transponder and Radio position
>
> Hi there Folks
>
>
> I am about to begin the installation of the Transponder (GTX-330) and the
> Comm Radio (SL-30) in my RV-9A's panel, and I wonder if there is any rule
of
> thumb about their position in the central rack.
>
> In panels that I have seen, the Xpdr is usually at the bottom position,
with
> the Radio immediately above.
>
> Which are the pros and cons of putting those 2 avionics at the bottom of
the
> rack, and the Xpdr below or above the Radio?
>
>
> Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: Unshielded Twisted Pair |
2008/9/28 Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
> nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
> The short answer is that it is rarely necessary.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
Hi Bob
The installation of the SD-8 alternator and regulator calls for twisting the
cables down-stream of the smoothing capacitor... Surely this should be done
for all power delivery cables if it's done for this particular set? Or is
this done only for this set of wires because they're probably going to be
running in close proximity to the alternator and it's spinning batteries?
Thanks
Etienne
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| Subject: | [OT] Pronunciation question |
Hi all,
No electrics this time.
Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
One thousand twenty eight ?
One point....
etc..
Thanks,
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
Good question! Since we don't treat a period as a thousands separator on
this side of the pond, I would say, "One dot(or point) zero two eight".
john
Gilles Thesee wrote:
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
> Thanks,
> Best regards,
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
I would say "eff see ell one dot oh twenty-eight"
Mickey
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr
> wrote:
> Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
> Thanks,
> Best regards,
> --
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
--
Mickey Coggins
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| Subject: | [OT] Pronunciation question |
Try "eff see ell one dot ZERO TWO eight"
Thanks!
Bill Denton
bdenton@bdenton.com
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Mickey Coggins
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [OT] Pronunciation question
I would say "eff see ell one dot oh twenty-eight"
Mickey
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> wrote:
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi all,
No electrics this time.
Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
One thousand twenty eight ?
One point....
etc..
Thanks,
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
--
Mickey Coggins
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
It depends on the origin and contet of the number. If it is a European number,
I assume the dot is where we use a comma.? In this instance it would be one thousand
twenty eight.? If this an American number, it would be one point zero
twenty eight; or one and twenty eight thousandths, depending on the context.
Jay in Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 2:55 pm
Subject: AeroElectric-List: [OT] Pronunciation question
?
Hi all,?
?
No electrics this time.?
?
Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.?
How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ??
?
One thousand twenty eight ??
One point....?
etc..?
?
Thanks,?
Best regards,?
--
Gilles?
http://contrails.free.fr?
?
?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
Gilles, A machinist would say "One and twenty eight thousandths. :-}
Rick
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr
> wrote:
> Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
> Thanks,
> Best regards,
> --
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
Gilles Thesee wrote:
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
One dot oh two eight or One dot zero two eight
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
Gilles;
Correct English usage depends on the context.
The "period" is never used as the 1000's delineator.
The "comma" is used for that purpose.
Therefore your example cannot be "one thousand twenty eight".
The "period" is used as the decimal point in mathematical notation.
Numerals after the decimal point are always named individually, never as
a group.
Therefore 1.028 is "one decimal zero two eight" NEVER "one decimal zero
twenty eight".
However in literature or in the case you are citing, where the numeral
is possibly indicating a paragraph or rule, then a sub-paragraph or
sub-rule within that paragraph or rule, normal usage could be to say
either "one decimal zero two eight" OR "one point zero two eight" where
"point" delineates point number two eight under paragraph number one or
sub-rule two eight under rule one, etc.
The word "dot" is never used numerically to describe the "period", but
is used to describe a period in a web address. For example, "double-you
double-you double-you dot aeroelectric dot com" (www.aeroelectric.com)
In summary, according to "proper English", as taught in the Canadian
school system, your question re; FCL 1.028 would be pronounced in spoken
English as "Foxtrot Charlie Lima one decimal zero two eight" OR if
quoting a particular rule or paragraph it could be also "Foxtrot Charlie
Lima one point zero two eight". If the clarity of the phonetic alphabet
is not desired then "Eff, Sea, Elle" could be used for the letters.
Bob McC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: [OT] Pronunciation question
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
> Thanks,
> Best regards,
> --
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [OT] Pronunciation question |
One point zero two eight would be my 1st choice.
Common usage would also be one point oh two eight, but can lead to confusion
between the letter "o" and the number "0".
Hope this helps,
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: [OT] Pronunciation question
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> No electrics this time.
>
> Some time ago the FCL 1.028 Language proficiency was implemented.
> How do you natural English speakers pronounce FCL 1.028 ?
>
> One thousand twenty eight ?
> One point....
> etc..
>
> Thanks,
> Best regards,
> --
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Unshielded Twisted Pair |
At 01:59 PM 9/29/2008 +0200, you wrote:
>2008/9/28 Robert L. Nuckolls, III
><<mailto:nuckolls.bob@cox.net>nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>><<mailto:nuckolls.bob@cox.net>nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>> The short answer is that it is rarely necessary.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>
>Hi Bob
>
>The installation of the SD-8 alternator and regulator calls for twisting
>the cables down-stream of the smoothing capacitor... Surely this should be
>done for all power delivery cables if it's done for this particular set?
>Or is this done only for this set of wires because they're probably going
>to be running in close proximity to the alternator and it's spinning batteries?
No, this suggestion was driven by the fact that
when the SD-8 came to the market about 20+ years
ago, PLASTIC airplanes with the engine on the wrong
end were king. COMPASS interference (due to strong
magnetic fields around alternator feeds between the
engine on the back and the battery on the front) was
eliminated by twisting these wires.
Again, this goes to my earlier suggestion that wires
should be twisted based on manufacturer's installation
instructions . . . and the fact that one system get
twisted wires doesn't mean that all systems should get
them.
A figure Z-13/8 installation on an RV would not benefit
from this process.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance probes |
At 09:03 PM 9/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Bob
>I have a question regarding capacitance fuel probes. I am having a fuel
>level reading on my lt tank that was fluxuating and is now reading zero. I
>am trying to narrow the problem. Probes, analog to digital converter/
>wiring / EngineAirdataUnit EAU. My first thing to eliminate is the
>probe. It has 3 wires red-black-white if that helps.
>Jim Robinson
>Glll N79R
Sorry old friend. I'm not familiar with any of the
systems offered to the OBAM aircraft market. I am about
to take on a design task for a new capacity based fuel
gaging system for TC aircraft and I'm looking forward to
adding this technology to my bag of tricks.
My best guess is that if your probe has ordinary bundled
strands of wire for connection, these wires are NOT part
of the capacity dependent fuel sensing system. I would guess
that they are power, ground and some signal wire compatible
with the companion display. Do you have more than one sensor?
Right and left tanks perhaps? Try swapping sensors and see
if the problem swaps.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance probes |
Thanks Bob
I sent a second message, please disregard.- I just jumped the gun
Jim
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net> wrote:
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: capacitance probes
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
At 09:03 PM 9/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Bob
>I have a question regarding capacitance fuel probes. I am having a fuel
>level reading on my lt tank that was fluxuating and is now reading zero. I
>am trying to narrow the problem. Probes, analog to digital converter/
>wiring / EngineAirdataUnit EAU. My first thing to eliminate is the
>probe. It has 3 wires red-black-white if that helps.
>Jim Robinson
>Glll N79R
Sorry old friend. I'm not familiar with any of the
systems offered to the OBAM aircraft market. I am about
to take on a design task for a new capacity based fuel
gaging system for TC aircraft and I'm looking forward to
adding this technology to my bag of tricks.
My best guess is that if your probe has ordinary bundled
strands of wire for connection, these wires are NOT part
of the capacity dependent fuel sensing system. I would guess
that they are power, ground and some signal wire compatible
with the companion display. Do you have more than one sensor?
Right and left tanks perhaps? Try swapping sensors and see
if the problem swaps.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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| Subject: | Re: capacitance probes |
Thanks Bob
The probe wires run to a analog/digital converter that feeds the display.
- It is rather difficult to remove the probes so I was hoping to eliminat
e this as a problem without removal.- Maybe someone on the list is famili
ar with these things.
Jim Robinson
--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net> wrote:
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: capacitance probes
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
At 09:03 PM 9/28/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Bob
>I have a question regarding capacitance fuel probes. I am having a fuel
>level reading on my lt tank that was fluxuating and is now reading zero. I
>am trying to narrow the problem. Probes, analog to digital converter/
>wiring / EngineAirdataUnit EAU. My first thing to eliminate is the
>probe. It has 3 wires red-black-white if that helps.
>Jim Robinson
>Glll N79R
Sorry old friend. I'm not familiar with any of the
systems offered to the OBAM aircraft market. I am about
to take on a design task for a new capacity based fuel
gaging system for TC aircraft and I'm looking forward to
adding this technology to my bag of tricks.
My best guess is that if your probe has ordinary bundled
strands of wire for connection, these wires are NOT part
of the capacity dependent fuel sensing system. I would guess
that they are power, ground and some signal wire compatible
with the companion display. Do you have more than one sensor?
Right and left tanks perhaps? Try swapping sensors and see
if the problem swaps.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------)
( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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