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1. 02:42 AM - Re: Off topic - 737 runs out of battery power ()
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (JOHN TIPTON)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (N395V)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: Durocell Leaking Batteries (N395V)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Christopher Stone)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Eric M. Jones)
8. 08:51 AM - Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (N395V)
9. 09:10 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus (Gig Giacona)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 10:27 AM - Re: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus (DaveG601XL)
12. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (BobsV35B@aol.com)
13. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (J. Mcculley)
14. 01:14 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus ()
15. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Robert McCallum)
16. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Robert McCallum)
17. 07:31 PM - Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (N395V)
18. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries (Bruce Gray)
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic - 737 runs out of battery power |
>From: BobsV35B@aol.com
>Good Morning Mr Jet Pilot,
>For What It Is Worth, the aircraft in question was a Boeing 757, not a 737.
Thanks, as I said you can turn the battery chargers off on all Boeing jets. I don't
know the specifics of the case because I did not look it up, sorry, but from
the description this is one of those gotchas.
>From: Peter Hudes <phudes@ix.netcom.com>
>Is this a new variant? I didn't know Boeing made a 757-400.
>Pete Hudes
They don't. It was a typo, 747-400. Sorry my bad; I taught it from 1989-1993.
Haven't been in one since. This model did have an inadvertent battery charger
shut down as I mentioned. It's just not something that's suppose to happen, if
the crew is paying attention, but stuff does happen.
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded up my
>brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and used it a
>little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead. Opened it
>up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer. Cleaned
>up good with a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought some
>USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how that works out.
>Where are Duracells made, USA or China?
I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on
me in many years including Duracells. That's not
to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to
add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens
with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to
recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get
out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually
every manufacturer recommends removal of cells
when the device is store for long periods of time.
We use a goodly number of cells per year and our
time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells
with expiration dates way out in the future don't
set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some
used cells around next time I change them out . . .
deplete them totally and see if they leak at some
later time.
In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or
replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature
at:
http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp
Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
somehow their analysis says the cell was left
installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
What should one use to neutralize the 'leaked' gel/deposits
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>>My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded up my
>>brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and used it a
>>little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead. Opened it
>>up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer. Cleaned
>>up good with a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought some
>>USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how that works out.
>>Where are Duracells made, USA or China?
>
> I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on
> me in many years including Duracells. That's not
> to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to
> add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens
> with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to
> recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get
> out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually
> every manufacturer recommends removal of cells
> when the device is store for long periods of time.
>
> We use a goodly number of cells per year and our
> time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells
> with expiration dates way out in the future don't
> set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some
> used cells around next time I change them out . . .
> deplete them totally and see if they leak at some
> later time.
>
> In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or
> replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature
> at:
>
> http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp
>
> Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
> somehow their analysis says the cell was left
> installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
> lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
> perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Duracells are manufactured in Lancaster SC and Cleveland Tennessee.
The Goo is comprised of Sodium Hydroxide, Manganese dioxide, Mercury and a secret
Brew inside a steel can. They will usually not leak until the Manganese dioxide
shell is depleted then the steel can is oxidized by th "goo"
Duracell will replace any item that is damaged by a leaking battery. For low dollar
items it is no questions asked, for a big ticket item they will probably
want to see the battery to make sure it isn't 20 years old.
Best thing to clean with is vinegar rinse with water.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Durocell Leaking Batteries |
> Might they relabeling Rayovac's. What is
> different with these batteries selling now?
> jerb
>
I do not know if they still do but Duracell used to make the Ray o Vac alkaline
batteries. Ran them down the same assembly line just put a different cover on
them.
If you are buying them in bulk from Costco you might want to check the dates they
could be really old.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
John...
Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)works well for acids. Make a paste by mixing with
water. Apply to the area to be cleaned. If there is acid present you will
see the paste fizz on contact with the acid. Rinse with water and dry with
air or alcohol.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
>From: JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2008 7:38 AM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
>
>
>What should one use to neutralize the 'leaked' gel/deposits
>
>John
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:26 AM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
>
>
>> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>>
>> At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>>>My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded up my
>>>brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and used it a
>>>little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead. Opened it
>>>up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer. Cleaned
>>>up good with a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought some
>>>USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how that works out.
>>>Where are Duracells made, USA or China?
>>
>> I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on
>> me in many years including Duracells. That's not
>> to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to
>> add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens
>> with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to
>> recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get
>> out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually
>> every manufacturer recommends removal of cells
>> when the device is store for long periods of time.
>>
>> We use a goodly number of cells per year and our
>> time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells
>> with expiration dates way out in the future don't
>> set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some
>> used cells around next time I change them out . . .
>> deplete them totally and see if they leak at some
>> later time.
>>
>> In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or
>> replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature
>> at:
>>
>> http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp
>>
>> Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
>> somehow their analysis says the cell was left
>> installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
>> lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
>> perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Battery story--I posted some years ago my tale of using a 12V lantern battery drycell
to power my Telex intercom. When I rented airplanes I would use it, since
the small battery that came with the Telex was always going flat and the Cessnae
I rented often had no cigar-lighter power.
The first big lantern battery died in just a couple hours. I assumed it had been
used and returned to the store by a dishonest customer....But the replacement
battery was SMOKING when I landed and was so hot I had to remove it from my
flight bag by its attachment wires. I put in on the asphalt and it left a melted
mark. How close to a disaster I was, I shall never know.
I assumed the internal cells had crushed from the change in altitude, but I left
it in a metal trash can and never had it dissected.
"The problem with the world is that only the intelligent people want to be
smarter, and only the good people want to improve."
- Eolake Stobblehouse
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
rv8iator wrote:
> John...
>
> Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)works well for acids. Make a paste by mixing
with water. Apply to the area to be cleaned. If there is acid present you will
see the paste fizz on contact with the acid. Rinse with water and dry with
air or alcohol.
>
> Chris
>
> --
Alkaline batteries (Duracells) are a base (same as baking soda) only much stronger.
As such a weak acid ie vinegar or lemon juice should be used for cleaning/neutralizing.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus |
jeffrey_davidson(at)earth wrote:
>
> Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Next time, I'll move the fuel selector
from the Off position!
>
> Jeff Davidson (still an electrical newbie)
> CH601-HD w/Jabiru3300A
I'm not going to address the whole avionics master switch issue. What concerns
me is what sounds like a limited life on the Dynon internal battery.
I've heard stories of people getting them, taking them out of the box or testing
them during the building process and then not turning them off properly and
when the plane's power is disconnected they think there is a power outage and
just drain the internal battery.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
At 08:00 AM 10/29/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Battery story--I posted some years ago my tale of using a 12V lantern
>battery drycell to power my Telex intercom. When I rented airplanes I
>would use it, since the small battery that came with the Telex was always
>going flat and the Cessnae I rented often had no cigar-lighter power.
>
>The first big lantern battery died in just a couple hours. I assumed it
>had been used and returned to the store by a dishonest customer....But the
>replacement battery was SMOKING when I landed and was so hot I had to
>remove it from my flight bag by its attachment wires. I put in on the
>asphalt and it left a melted mark. How close to a disaster I was, I shall
>never know.
>
>I assumed the internal cells had crushed from the change in altitude, but
>I left it in a metal trash can and never had it dissected.
Interesting hypothesis. I have a small
altitude chamber that fits into my temperature
chamber to do temperature/altitude combination
stress on small articles. Next time we get it
out and set up, I'll do some bashing on AA and
F-cells to see if I can precipitate a failure.
Bob . . .
----------------------------------------)
( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus |
Yeah, I wonder if your Dynon battery was fully charged prior to this exercise.
On a typical Jabiru start with a charged main battery, my Dynon D180 does not
even see low enough main voltage to go on the internal battery. This is mainly
due to the rapidity with which the Jabiru normally starts. Now that it is
cold, and I did not richen up my idle mixture screw, it took me about 6 cranks
to get started the other day. Towards the end, my Dynon told me that it was
going on internal battery during the cranks. Even without an internal battery,
Dynon emphatically says that it is no problem to have it hooked live to the
main bus during cranking.
Good luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Good Afternoon Bob,
Just as a datapoint, I had a D sized DuraCell leak in a four cell Mag Lite.
I sent the unit to the company as directed by their website. They sent me a
check which covered the price of a new four cell MagLite and my shipping
expenses. I would still like it better if the cells never leaked, but the warranty
was honored. I do not have any idea whether or not the battery was beyond
it's 'use before' date as it was stuck so hard in the flashlight, that I
couldn't get it out!
Happy Skies
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 10/29/2008 6:32:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
nuckolls.bob@cox.net writes:
Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
somehow their analysis says the cell was left
installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
FWIW, today I found one unused Duracell MN1300 battery within a package
of 12(with a "Guaranteed fresh through 2008" label) was leaking and
showed 0.1 volt open circuit. The remaining other two in the package
were clean and measured an open circuit voltage of 1.515. These are
marked as manufactured in USA in 2001, Bethel, CT 06801.
The Guarantee on the package says "Should any device be damaged due to a
battery defect, we will repair or replace it if sent with the batteries,
postage paid to Duracell Consumer Dept" followed by the address in
Bethel, CT.
Five years ago, I complied with the ACK Technologies Inc. Model E-01 ELT
product warranty statement that use of any other batteries than DURACELL
would VOID the WARRANTY and be in VIOLATION of the requirements of
TSO-91a OR FAR 91.52.
On the first annual inspection thereafter there were two of the
Duracells with significant leakage that had severly corroded the
electrical contacts in the unit. These batteries were only one year into
their multi-year life as printed on the batteries. ALL of the batteries
in the ELT still measured above 1.5 volts open circuit and the ELT
produced normal signal strength during the short-test performance check
prior to finding the corrosion/leakage.
It appears that leakage/corrosion of DURACELLS can happen while never
being removed from their original package during their Guaranteed-Fresh-
Dated-Life, as well as when they are installed fresh from manufacture,
in a device that essentially places no load on them throughout less than
a year, after which they are still capable of the same "like-new"
performance as the other cells in the same installation which did NOT
leak.
Jim McCulley
===========================================================================================
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I loaded
>> up my brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and
>> used it a little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely
>> dead. Opened it up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my
>> new printer. Cleaned up good with a toothbrush and some contact
>> cleaner. Went and bought some USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how
>> that works out.
>> Where are Duracells made, USA or China?
>
>
> I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on
> me in many years including Duracells. That's not
> to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to
> add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens
> with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to
> recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get
> out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually
> every manufacturer recommends removal of cells
> when the device is store for long periods of time.
>
> We use a goodly number of cells per year and our
> time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells
> with expiration dates way out in the future don't
> set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some
> used cells around next time I change them out . . .
> deplete them totally and see if they leak at some
> later time.
>
> In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or
> replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature
> at:
>
> http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp
>
> Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
> somehow their analysis says the cell was left
> installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
> lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
> perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
>
> Bob . . .
=========================================================================================
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| Subject: | Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus |
My Dynon cable has 3 power leads which I assume is done in an effort to
alleviate this issue. Cable is from http://approachfaststack.com/
1. Main bus (DC primary power switch)
2. Essential bus (or alternate backup source)
3. Battery bus (or always on connection)
I have not experienced this behavior. If I start the Dynon while sitting
with the power off, I get the message, but If I add ship power I do not
get another message that it is on ship power. By pressing any button
then Next->Next->Info you can monitor the battery charge and the ships
battery level.
Did you connect the always on lead to your battery bus?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon EFIS & EMS power on the main bus
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>Question: My question here is about the wiring of the Dynon EMS and
EFIS
>to the main bus. They are powered up when the Master Switch grounds
the
>Battery Contactor. The starter contactor is downstream of the battery
>contactor. When the starter is engaged by grounding the starter
contactor
>with the ignition switch, both Dynons lost ship's power and came up on
the
>backup battery. When we had tried this several times, the Dynon backup
>battery was exhausted and the Dynons simply went off. Again, the
engine
>never started so all this was happening while the starter was engaged.
My
>question is whether or not the Dynons should be moved to the Avionics
>bus. Yes, I have an Avionics Master and understand the concern about
>it. The functional problem is that the tachometer and oil pressure are
>displayed on the EMS and nowhere else. In the certified planes with
glass
>panels that I'm familiar with, the glass panels are similarly connected
to
>the Master Switch and stay on when the e!
> ngine is started. I need to be able to check oil pressure as soon as
> the engine starts.
>
>Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Next time, I'll move the
fuel
>selector from the Off position!
The spirit and intent of avionics master switch
was to "protect sensitive avionics from hazardous
spikes generated during engine cranking."
In years since, it has been discovered that while
there was significant brown-out during the first
few milliseconds of starter operation similar to
that shown here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/99_Saturn_SL1_2.gif
there were no high-voltage excursions that could
not be easily handled by simple components in the
potential victim's power input conditioning.
Further, the industry tapped a huge experience base
by forming RTCA and inviting all interested parties
in aviation to participate in quantifying and documenting
the magnitude and type of stresses a piece of avionics
should shrug off.
Based on our current knowledge and skill in crafting
airplanes and their accessories, there is no need
for an avionics master switch to "protect" anything.
I believe you stated that all batteries involved in
your test were of questionable condition either by
reason of age or state of charge. I'll suggest
then that what you experienced was not worthy
of generating concerns. You need to repeat the
experiment with a known-good ship's battery and
fully charged stand-by batteries.
It's doubtful that anything was damaged. Everything
you observed appears to be the byproduct of soggy
batteries.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Chris;
You're correct that baking soda works for neutralizing acids, but by
definition an alkaline battery is ALKALINE not acidic and therefore a
weak acid is required to neutralize it. (vinegar, lemon juice etc)
Bob McC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Stone" <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
<rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> John...
>
> Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)works well for acids. Make a paste by
mixing with water. Apply to the area to be cleaned. If there is acid
present you will see the paste fizz on contact with the acid. Rinse
with water and dry with air or alcohol.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: JOHN TIPTON <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
> >Sent: Oct 29, 2008 7:38 AM
> >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
> >
<jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >What should one use to neutralize the 'leaked' gel/deposits
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
> >To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:26 AM
> >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
> >
> >
> >> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
> >>
> >> At 10:08 PM 10/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>My cheap boss bought a jumbo pack of Radio Shack Gold AA's. I
loaded up my
> >>>brand new Dymo thermal label maker with 6 of them a week ago and
used it a
> >>>little. Today, went to make a label and it was completely dead.
Opened it
> >>>up and every single one of them had oozed slime in my new printer.
Cleaned
> >>>up good with a toothbrush and some contact cleaner. Went and bought
some
> >>>USA mad Energiser Brand. We will see how that works out.
> >>>Where are Duracells made, USA or China?
> >>
> >> I've not had anyone's alkaline batteries leak on
> >> me in many years including Duracells. That's not
> >> to argue with anyone's experiences . . . only to
> >> add a data point. I'm not sure exactly what happens
> >> with chemistry internal to the cell but I seem to
> >> recall the evil stuff inside doesn't need to get
> >> out until the cell is depleted. This is why virtually
> >> every manufacturer recommends removal of cells
> >> when the device is store for long periods of time.
> >>
> >> We use a goodly number of cells per year and our
> >> time in the appliance is pretty short. I.e., cells
> >> with expiration dates way out in the future don't
> >> set around long in the appliance. I'll keep some
> >> used cells around next time I change them out . . .
> >> deplete them totally and see if they leak at some
> >> later time.
> >>
> >> In the mean time, Duracell offers to repair or
> >> replace a damaged appliance in their sales literature
> >> at:
> >>
> >> http://www.duracell.com/procell/about/care.asp
> >>
> >> Now it may be that they could claim no fault if
> >> somehow their analysis says the cell was left
> >> installed long after it was depleted. I.e., flash
> >> lights, radios, etc inadvertently left on or
> >> perhaps the auto off feature isn't working, etc.
> >>
> >> Bob . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Milt;
According to the current Duracell website all mercury has been removed
from their batteries and they are now safe to dispose of in household
garbage without the risk of environmental contamination. (So they say !)
Maybe the changes necessitated by the removal of the mercury is why
these leaks are starting to turn up?? Quite a few things these days have
been modified from their original composition to the detriment of
function and for betterment of the environment.
Bob McC
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
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> Duracells are manufactured in Lancaster SC and Cleveland Tennessee.
>
> The Goo is comprised of Sodium Hydroxide, Manganese dioxide, Mercury
and a secret Brew inside a steel can. They will usually not leak until
the Manganese dioxide shell is depleted then the steel can is oxidized
by th "goo"
>
>
> Duracell will replace any item that is damaged by a leaking battery.
For low dollar items it is no questions asked, for a big ticket item
they will probably want to see the battery to make sure it isn't 20
years old.
>
>
> Best thing to clean with is vinegar rinse with water.
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I am going to guess it is a QC problem in the factory.
I was an engineer for them in the mid 70s and we had a really tough time with new
automated equipment in preventing "leakers". Problem was so bad at one plant
we almost had to shut it down. They (Duracell/Mallory Battery) really took the
problem of leaking batteries seriously. I am really shocked to read this thread.
As you say things change and not always for the better.
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2003 F1 Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries |
Yes, including the glue that holds the foam on the external tank of the
orbital space shuttle.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
McCallum
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
Milt;
According to the current Duracell website all mercury has been removed from
their batteries and they are now safe to dispose of in household garbage
without the risk of environmental contamination. (So they say !) Maybe the
changes necessitated by the removal of the mercury is why these leaks are
starting to turn up?? Quite a few things these days have been modified from
their original composition to the detriment of function and for betterment
of the environment.
Bob McC
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" < <mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Duracell Leaking Batteries
<mailto:Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> Duracells are manufactured in Lancaster SC and Cleveland Tennessee.
>
> The Goo is comprised of Sodium Hydroxide, Manganese dioxide, Mercury and
a secret Brew inside a steel can. They will usually not leak until the
Manganese dioxide shell is depleted then the steel can is oxidized by th
"goo"
>
>
> Duracell will replace any item that is damaged by a leaking battery. For
low dollar items it is no questions asked, for a big ticket item they will
probably want to see the battery to make sure it isn't 20 years old.
>
>
> Best thing to clean with is vinegar rinse with water.
>
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> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
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