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0. 11:22 PM - Reminder (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:15 AM - Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: Alt to starter connection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: FAQ question... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 07:33 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Dj Merrill)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: ANL current limiter location on rear battery installations (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Steve Thomas)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Carlos Trigo)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Richard Girard)
9. 08:03 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Ernest Christley)
11. 09:24 AM - Terra Tri Nav C Wireing (Bill)
12. 10:15 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
13. 10:40 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
14. 10:40 AM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
15. 12:38 PM - [Fw: The best pilot ever?] (Harley)
16. 01:07 PM - Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . (Gilles Thesee)
17. 02:33 PM - Re: Electronic Ignition problem - any suggestions? (Peter Pengilly)
18. 02:33 PM - Re: Alt to starter connection (Bradley Webb)
19. 02:39 PM - Re: FAQ question... (Bradley Webb)
20. 02:46 PM - Re: ANL current limiter location on rear battery installations (Bradley Webb)
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . . |
Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | Re: Alt to starter connection |
At 02:19 PM 11/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Sorry if this has been covered, but I can't find it anywhere.
>
>First, I'm using a NipponDenso IR alternator of 55amps, and a Bosch
>starter from the car the engine came from. I am not planning on using a
>separate starter contactor.
>
>On my install, it would be very convenient to run the power lead from the
>big starter post to the alternator B-lead post, then 4AWG back to the battery.
That works. It's been done on lots of Lycoming
installations where the alternator and starter are
in close proximity.
How long is the wire from your alternator b-terminal
and the starter fat-wire terminal?
>Is it harmful to run the starter voltage through the alternator this way
>when cranking the engine?
No, what you've proposed is electrically no different
than other architectures published. In most installations
the b-lead is generally connected to the bus all the time.
You're only re-arranging the mechanics of the same
connections.
Bob . . .
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( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | Re: FAQ question... |
At 02:26 PM 11/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >From the list FAQ:
>
>
> >
> > >Hmmm. My understanding is different. As wired in my plane, the OV
> module shorts the breaker
> > as you say. However, when the circuit breaker pops it kills the voltage
> to the field of the
> > contactor which is connecting the alternator output (B lead) to the
> battery, thus removing the
> > offending voltage from the system whether or not the alternator field
> is receiving power internally
> > to the alternator itself.
> >
> > A Internally and externally regulated alternators ARE slightly
> different in the way that the
> > OVM tames a runaway alternator. For internally regulated machines, the
> external B-lead
> > contactor is not necessary. Bob . . .
>
>
>Bob,
>Is the above response a typo? Figure Z-24 was conceived FOR an IR
>alternator, no? It basically adds an alt disconnect contactor and shows
>how to wire it up. But the above comment suggests it is not necessary.
Understand. Yes that is a typo. For externally regulated
machines, it's easy to tame a runaway system by breaking
the field power lead. To do the same thing on an internally
regulated hardware, you have to modify it (like Plane-Power)
to get access to the field power path . . . or do some form
of external disconnect of the b-terminal as suggested in
Z-24 and the document I published at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Adapting_IR_Alternators_to_Aircraft.pdf
I mentioned a trip to visit Motorcar Parts of America
alternator and starter fabrication facilities last
month. What I learned one that trip re-enforces my
understanding for achieving design goals on an ON/OFF,
any time, any conditions control of an internally regulated
alternator.
Z-24 is just fine for alternators designed and tested
to survive their own load dumps . . . like the MPA
products. Unfortunately, some alternators are not blessed
with such diligence on the part of their designers.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
They got you Bob - it is an RC model in a "faked" video... :-)
-Dj
do not archive
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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Subject: | Re: ANL current limiter location on rear battery |
installations
At 02:13 PM 11/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
> > > That interested me since in another context I had been wondering
> about ANL location. I was
> > puzzling why in Z-24 the ANL was shown downstream of the internally
> regulated alternator
> > isolation contactor. My thinking was that by having it close to the
> alternator it would blow if
> > anything (including the isolation contactor) ran amok downstream. What
> is the advantage of
> > having it at the main bus end ?
> > A The ANL limiter (fat fuse) is there to protect the alternator b-lead
> wire . . . the source of
> > energy that places this wire at risk is NOT the alternator but the
> battery. An alternator is
> > incapable of putting out enough current to open its own b-lead
> protection while the battery is
> > capable of fat-wire faults approaching 1000 amps. So, while selecting
> the SIZE of the protection
> > device is driven by alternator output capability, selecting LOCATION is
> associated with the risk
> > source . . the BATTERY.
> > On some occasions, we have fat wires that can source a fault from
> either end . . . in
> > which case, you might have a limiter at both ends of the same
> conductor. However, I've never
> > encountered a situation like this for small aircraft. Bob . . .
>
>
>The above is in the FAQ's for the list. I would like to clarify a bit
>further: If the battery is the current feeder in a frayed B-lead scenario,
>and the battery is in the tail (with the master contactor and eng power
>bus (FI auto)), then wouldn't the ANL current limiter be located back
>there as well? If so, between the battery and contactor, or between the
>contactor and main bus loads?
Actually, a frayed b-lead is likely to arc a bit
and "burn clear" like other battery connected fat
wires in airplanes. The ANL is risk mitigation for
shorted diodes . . . an exceedingly rare event
in modern alternators . . . ESPECIALLY those
supported by due diligence on the part of the
designers/rebuilders.
Small aircraft do not get circuit protection in
the battery feeders to the starter and distribution
busses. Only the alternator b-leads got the ANLs
(or similar) to deal with the internally shorted
alternator but that risk too has steadily diminished
over the years.
If you choose to include a limiter in the b-lead,
then about any place in the b-lead wire is okay
but best at the end away from the alternator.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
Just so everyone knows, this video that is "flying" around the
Internet like wildfire is a fake. It is a combination of a real
airplane and an RC controlled model. Great video editing, but not
what it appears to be.
Steve
On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
>
> Bob . . .
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
It's really a very good video editing illusion, and a very good model
airplane builder and pilot ...
I could feature the guy who opens the canopy on the last frames!
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: quinta-feira, 6 de Novembro de 2008 15:14
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing
. . .
>
> <nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
Amazing what they can do with giant scale RC these days but you'd think they
could make them a bit stronger. There's another video on You tube that shows
the exact same model of aircraft only it's the left wing that comes off that
one and they don't try to fake that it's a real aircraft.
Rick
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@cox.net> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
>
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing |
. . .
....it wouldn't have made a difference as it's a completely fake combination of
an RC and CGI effects.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . . .
Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing |
. . .
Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
>> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
> They got you Bob - it is an RC model in a "faked" video... :-)
>
> -Dj
> do not archive
>
>
It looks like the switchover occurs at the 49th second, then they have
an RV with one wing removed that taxis for just a short distance. There
is some playing around with the focus just as the plane lands, and then
a building in the background takes a pretty big jump.
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Subject: | Terra Tri Nav C Wireing |
-----
Have a question on the wiring of a tri nav c. I have the manual but
one thing is not very clear.
I am using a terra txn 920 nav/com and a Navaid ap 1 autopilot. I guess
my question is,
What is done with green wire from Tri Nav C Plug #1 pin # 7 ?
The tri nav c manual states that it is grounded (Where?)
The Txn 920 manual diagram shows it connected to Pin #9 on plug
#1. Is Pin #9 a proper ground? When connected to a
navaid ap 1 autopilot.
Thanks Bill S.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
10/14/2008 2:02 AM
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
Bob,
I have seen this around for a while. Do you think it is real or some
good
editing??
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD
landing .
. .
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
. .
It's a viral ad. A bit of both and them some other things too.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
> Bob,
>
> I have seen this around for a while. Do you think it is real or some good
> editing??
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
> Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:14 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing .
> . .
>
>
>
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>It's a viral ad. A bit of both and them some other things too.</DIV>
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Subject: | Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . |
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It's a viral ad. A bit of both and them some other things too.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
> Bob,
>
> I have seen this around for a while. Do you think it is real or some good
> editing??
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
> Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:14 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing .
> . .
>
>
>
> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls.
> If this airplane had been rigged with cables . . .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ----------------------------------------)
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>It's a viral ad. A bit of both and them some other things too.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net> <BR><BR>> Bob, <BR>> <BR>> I have seen this around for a while. Do you think it is real or some good <BR>> editing?? <BR>> <BR>> Roger <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. <BR>> Nuckolls, III <BR>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:14 AM <BR>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com <BR>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing . <BR>> . . <BR>> <BR>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <BR>> <NUCKOLLS.BOB@COX.NET><BR>> <BR>> Something to be said for torque-tube aileron controls. <BR>> If this airplane ha
d been
rigged with cables . . . <BR>> <BR>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_w3IrRYq0 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Bob . . . <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------) <BR>> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) <BR>> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) <BR>> ( appearance of being right . . . ) <BR>> ( ) <BR>> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) <BR>> ---------------------------------------- <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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Subject: | [Fwd: The best pilot ever?] |
Let's put an end to this thread quickly...by discussing it, we are doing
EXACTLY what Killathrill Clothing wants...known as "viral advertising"
Here's an email I sent to the Canard Aviator's group when this video was
being discussed there. It should answer all your questions (even some
you haven't asked yet).
BTW...apparently, this is a standard stunt that advanced RC pilots attempt.
Harley
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>>He could be the best pilot ever ............ or the luckiest.<<
Being a great movie CGI and special effects fan, and with a friend of my
son's in the business, (she's done the CGI work and lighting for a lot
of them - Spiderman 2, for example), that video of the plane's wing
coming off and the guy landing didn't quite look right to me. for
example, the wheel pants on the roll out look like they were touched up
(or not lighted as the plane is later), and the bounce on landing looked
more like an RC plane. And there was plenty of focus adjustments and
off screen shots to piece in a real aircraft.
So this prompted me to start doing a little research online, and found
that another person had beat me to it. From his findings and my
suspicions, it looks like that was just a video that was CREATED (and
the operative word is "created" by combining a real plane at the end,
with an RC, and CGI work to seamlessly connect them) to spread the word
about either Red Bull or, more likely, the KillaThrill clothing company.
An RC model builder and flyer, with the online forum name of
arithonkelis, did the research and reported as follows.
Harley
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"It's fake, and here's why.
There's an "interview" with James Andersson, the pilot, here:
http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
I watched the video a few more times after work and started getting a
little suspicious. I've seen real stunt planes with enough thrust to
'helicopter' themselves, and I've seen planes knife edge. I think it's
theoretically possible for a model plane to do this kind of landing if
you've got a good model plane and an incredibly skilled person behind
the remote...."
"So, I did more poking around. The James Andersson website claims he is
from Great Britain and Germany. However, if it's a real aircraft,
where's the aircraft registration number? It could be that it's just too
small to see, but watching carefully, I didn't see anything like that.
Then I got suspicious. Whois.net shows that the jamesandersson.com
domain is registered to "Sandra Thielecke" with a killathrill email
address (ct@killathrill.com).
Then, further through that J. A. website, it claims he has placed 24th,
14th and 15th in Red Bull Air Races. Yet according to the Red Bull Air
Race website, there are only 12 racers, so 12th place is dead last -
it's impossible to place 14th, 15th or 24th. Disqualification, the most
common placement listed on the J. A. website, is also not shown as an
option.
Furthermore, a google search doesn't find him listed anywhere on the Red
Bull Air Race site. I also tried this for the other races and several of
the air shows listed on his site with no success.
The J.A. website also uses country code "GRB" when showing his listings
in Red Bull Air Races. However, on the Red Bull Air Race website, Great
Britain is represented as GBR, and Germany is represented as GER.
Another suspicious bit: Two copies of this video were posted on YouTube.
Both were posted by users with no other postings (MrMarodeur and
AirRacer89), 2 days apart. The users' favorite videos are almost identical.
The nail in the coffin, for me, came from the Red Bull Air Race
website's About The Race section: Currently there are three different
types of aircraft used in the Red Bull Air Race World Championship: the
Edge 540, the MXS and the Extra 300SR. James Andersson's website claims
he flies a Giles G-300. The Giles G-300 is single-seat, single engine
kit plane, but it was produced by AkroTech Aviation, Inc. They went out
of business in August 2000. They also have an empty weight of 431kg -
and the James Andersson website claims ... reduction in weight to a
basic weight of 650kg.
*sigh* So, in short, I think it's a complete fabrication, done with
either a computer or an RC plane, either for KillaThrill or Red Bull. I
was rather hoping it was real, 'cause that would have been one hell of a
flight...
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Subject: | Re: Anything you walk away from is a GOOD landing |
. . .
Carlos Trigo a crit :
>
> Its really a very good video editing illusion, and a very good model
> airplane builder and pilot ..
>
Search the Web for Bill Hempel...
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Electronic Ignition problem - any suggestions? |
As a follow up, my friend could not get any sense out of Electroair so
replaced the EI with a mag. Same problem still evident! Probably why
Electroair comments made no sense ...
After further investigation it seems that one of the inlet valves is
leaking at high BMEPs, such that small reductions in throttle reduce the
cylinder pressure sufficiently to stop the leak. The blow back into the
inlet system was enough to cause a serious miss fire. Switching off one
mag was probably the equivalent of a "small reduction in throttle" so
the implication that the EI was at fault was a complete red herring!
This also explains why the miss fire was throttle setting dependent,
rather than rpm dependent.
Cylinder repairs now underway - I'll post again once this problem is
finally licked.
Peter
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 07 October 2008 00:22
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Electronic Ignition problem - any
suggestions?
I wouldn't waste any time thinking about this until first replacing the
spark plugs (seriously) and then the wires but apparently that has been
done. I've also seen failing ignition coils do what you describe.
Electroair coils look like GM automotive coils which would mean they may
be cheap to replace??
A multi tooth pickup wheel will have a repeating irregular pulse pattern
AND the pulse voltage will vary accordingly. All teeth are not evenly
spaced or there is at least one tooth missing to establish timing. I
don't know how reliable the Electroair pickup has been but it would not
be my first suspect.
A scope will show an amazing amount of noise on both primary and
secondary sides of these coils. As long as it is a regular repeating
pattern, it is probably normal. Yes they are of similar voltage to what
fires the plugs. I'd only be suspicious if they are non repeating
spikes.
Ken
Peter Pengilly wrote:
<peter@sportingaero.com>
>
> Hi All, I'm posting this for a friend who is not a member and is
trying
> to diagnose an electronic ignition problem. Any thoughts would be
> gratefully received.
>
> I have an interesting problem with my electronic ignition that I'd
> appreciate further opinion on. My RV6 has an O-320 with a Slick
magneto
> on the left drive and Electroair EIS on the right drive. The EIS is a
> dual coil, lost spark system (each coil fires 2 opposing cylinders on
> both compression and exhaust stroke), and has been successfully
operated
> for 480 hours.
>
> The problem is that each time I go to take off the engine misfires
when
> full power is applied. I am getting 2150 rpm static, and as the plane
> accelerates at full power, after 10-15 seconds the engine starts to
> misfire. The misfires occur at roughly 1-2 seconds frequency and last
> for 200-700 milliseconds. There is never any backfiring.
>
> I've conducted one flight, and found that as soon as I eased the climb
> and reduced power, the problem went away. I was able to fly at 2,600
rpm
> with no problems, and could not re-create the misfire whilst airborne.
> Because there is no backfiring, I initially assumed a problem with
fuel
> supply. This has been eliminated, and I have been testing the ignition
> system whilst static on the ground.
>
> I connected an oscilloscope input to an ignition lead and the trace
gave
> large spikes at every 1/2 engine revolution as expected. However,
> intermediate lower amplitude spikes were also observed at 2/3 to 3/4
of
> the main spike period. This occurs throughout the full rev range,
> including clean running.
>
> I also tested the signal output from the magneto timing housing. It
was
> found to have irregular modulation and an irregular gap.
>
> I don't know what signal the processor unit can tolerate, but I think
> that the irregular signal from the timing sensor may be the issue.
> However, the manufacturer still suggests that the charge is arcing out
> through either the leads or plugs.
>
> Having replaced both the leads and plugs, and that there's no evidence
> or arcing through either the power or earth connections, I think it's
a
> fault with the unit.
>
> One significant point is that when I turn off the EIS, the engine runs
> perfectly on the single magneto. When the EIS is turned back on and
the
> misfire occurs, I would expect the magneto to continue firing as
normal.
> I think it probably is, but there's no fuel left to burn and the
> misfiring is caused by wrongly timed sparks from the EIS igniting fuel
> in the cylinders before the mixture is compressed and ignited by the
> magneto.
>
> Am I missing something? Any thoughts would be much appreciated
>
> Regards, James
> RV6 G-JSRV
>
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Subject: | Alt to starter connection |
Thank you. I suspected it to be as you said, but I wanted to make sure
before I blow up an otherwise working alternator.
The distance from the starter to alternator big leads is about 12 inches. It
will only save a few ounces, but I need all I can from up there, plus it
makes a slightly simpler installation. Simple is good.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alt to starter connection
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
At 02:19 PM 11/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Sorry if this has been covered, but I can't find it anywhere.
>
>First, I'm using a NipponDenso IR alternator of 55amps, and a Bosch
>starter from the car the engine came from. I am not planning on using a
>separate starter contactor.
>
>On my install, it would be very convenient to run the power lead from the
>big starter post to the alternator B-lead post, then 4AWG back to the
battery.
That works. It's been done on lots of Lycoming
installations where the alternator and starter are
in close proximity.
How long is the wire from your alternator b-terminal
and the starter fat-wire terminal?
>Is it harmful to run the starter voltage through the alternator this way
>when cranking the engine?
No, what you've proposed is electrically no different
than other architectures published. In most installations
the b-lead is generally connected to the bus all the time.
You're only re-arranging the mechanics of the same
connections.
Bob . . .
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I feel comfortable with the alternator disconnect solenoid in series with
the "control" wire on my IR alternator. If I should feel the need to throw
the Master DC switch to the BATT position, my alternator will simply become
a spinning weight up front.
I'm installing the OVM-14 on the 5 amp CB on the panel, so the only thing
yet missing from my panel is the 2x4 coming at me during the over/under
voltage event. I'm still considering options for which way I want to go, and
the B&C BC207-1 is looking right for the job.
Bradley
<snip>
Understand. Yes that is a typo. For externally regulated
machines, it's easy to tame a runaway system by breaking
the field power lead. To do the same thing on an internally
regulated hardware, you have to modify it (like Plane-Power)
to get access to the field power path . . . or do some form
of external disconnect of the b-terminal as suggested in
Z-24 and the document I published at:
http://aeroelectric.com/articles/Adapting_IR_Alternators_to_Aircraft.pdf
I mentioned a trip to visit Motorcar Parts of America
alternator and starter fabrication facilities last
month. What I learned one that trip re-enforces my
understanding for achieving design goals on an ON/OFF,
any time, any conditions control of an internally regulated
alternator.
Z-24 is just fine for alternators designed and tested
to survive their own load dumps . . . like the MPA
products. Unfortunately, some alternators are not blessed
with such diligence on the part of their designers.
Bob . . .
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( appearance of being right . . . )
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Subject: | ANL current limiter location on rear battery |
installations
Ahhh, I see. I took your stance to be that the ANL fuse is a much required
item in our OBAM systems. I now take you to mean them to be fine to add, but
not wholly necessary to safety. Correct?
So having no circuit protection in both/either the alternator and/or starter
circuit in a competently-designed system is ok? Hard to swallow, but that's
why I'm asking.
I have an ANL fuse and holder, but in the interest of fewer connections
(hence less to go wrong), I may forego it.
Bradley
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ANL current limiter location on rear battery
installations
<nuckolls.bob@cox.net>
At 02:13 PM 11/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
> > > That interested me since in another context I had been wondering
> about ANL location. I was
> > puzzling why in Z-24 the ANL was shown downstream of the internally
> regulated alternator
> > isolation contactor. My thinking was that by having it close to the
> alternator it would blow if
> > anything (including the isolation contactor) ran amok downstream. What
> is the advantage of
> > having it at the main bus end ?
> > A The ANL limiter (fat fuse) is there to protect the alternator b-lead
> wire . . . the source of
> > energy that places this wire at risk is NOT the alternator but the
> battery. An alternator is
> > incapable of putting out enough current to open its own b-lead
> protection while the battery is
> > capable of fat-wire faults approaching 1000 amps. So, while selecting
> the SIZE of the protection
> > device is driven by alternator output capability, selecting LOCATION is
> associated with the risk
> > source . . the BATTERY.
> > On some occasions, we have fat wires that can source a fault from
> either end . . . in
> > which case, you might have a limiter at both ends of the same
> conductor. However, I've never
> > encountered a situation like this for small aircraft. Bob . . .
>
>
>The above is in the FAQ's for the list. I would like to clarify a bit
>further: If the battery is the current feeder in a frayed B-lead scenario,
>and the battery is in the tail (with the master contactor and eng power
>bus (FI auto)), then wouldn't the ANL current limiter be located back
>there as well? If so, between the battery and contactor, or between the
>contactor and main bus loads?
Actually, a frayed b-lead is likely to arc a bit
and "burn clear" like other battery connected fat
wires in airplanes. The ANL is risk mitigation for
shorted diodes . . . an exceedingly rare event
in modern alternators . . . ESPECIALLY those
supported by due diligence on the part of the
designers/rebuilders.
Small aircraft do not get circuit protection in
the battery feeders to the starter and distribution
busses. Only the alternator b-leads got the ANLs
(or similar) to deal with the internally shorted
alternator but that risk too has steadily diminished
over the years.
If you choose to include a limiter in the b-lead,
then about any place in the b-lead wire is okay
but best at the end away from the alternator.
Bob . . .
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( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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