---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/18/08: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Andrew Butler) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: test after unsub/sub (I think) (BobsV35B@aol.com) 3. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Hall Effect Sensor Installation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 07:01 AM - Re: tried to unsub. can't. how do I? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: test (F. Tim Yoder) 6. 07:40 AM - Re: test after unsub/sub (I think) (F. Tim Yoder) 7. 07:46 AM - Re: test after unsub/sub (I think) (Peter Russell) 8. 08:22 AM - Re: Red start button and fuse. (marcausman) 9. 08:48 AM - Re: test after unsub/sub (I think) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 10. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Mike) 11. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Mike) 12. 11:28 AM - Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (James H Nelson) 13. 11:35 AM - LED Nav lights: recommendation? (Ralph Finch) 14. 12:05 PM - Re: LED Nav lights: recommendation? (Ernest Christley) 15. 12:13 PM - Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (James Robinson) 16. 12:27 PM - Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 17. 12:32 PM - Re: LED Nav lights: recommendation? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 18. 12:36 PM - Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 19. 01:52 PM - Re: tried to unsub. can't. how do I? (David M) 20. 02:11 PM - test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (David M) 21. 02:46 PM - Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Dale Rogers) 22. 02:53 PM - Re: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (Dale Rogers) 23. 03:35 PM - Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules (Chris Byrne) 24. 03:35 PM - Re: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (David M) 25. 04:08 PM - Re: Ignition Switch (Henry Trzeciakowski) 26. 04:19 PM - Re: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (Kevin Horton) 27. 04:45 PM - Re: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (F. Tim Yoder) 28. 06:24 PM - Re: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! (Dj Merrill) 29. 06:54 PM - and my email is set to plain text! (David M) 30. 06:58 PM - test 6, avg outgoing turned off (David M) 31. 07:06 PM - Re: test 6, avg outgoing turned off (Ron Shannon) 32. 07:08 PM - Re: test 6, avg outgoing turned off (BobsV35B@aol.com) 33. 08:11 PM - Re: test 6, avg outgoing turned off (F. Tim Yoder) 34. 08:14 PM - Re: test 6, avg outgoing turned off (David M) 35. 08:20 PM - current sensors (David M) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:28 AM PST US From: Andrew Butler Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Hi Jeff, I also plan on dual electronic ignition and my original design was practica lly identical to yours. This was when I was looking at Dual Plasma III Igni tions. Then I switched to dual P-MAGS. Reason? Simplicity and internal powe r. At this point I couldn't reason that the added complexity of the dual ba ttery split bus was justified, and ended up removing the second battery fro m the design. Both the designs are attached, the dual alt, dual batt dating from April. T he current design is more or less finished. Any takers of critiquing it for me? The originals are in Visio. If anyone wants a copy, let me know. Cheers, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Page" Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 3:44:53 PM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Irela nd, Portugal Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules I plan dual electronic ignitions for my aircraft. =C2-I started with =C2 - Z13/8. =C2-As much as I expect the designers have done significant things =C2- to ensure the ignitions work, in spite of nasty power events, I =C2- finally decided I wanted completely isolated electrical systems, so =C2- any problem, no matter how unlikely or unpredictable, could not =C2- prevent continued flight. =C2-So I added a few features from Z14. =C2-I =C2- didn't go all the way. =C2-My aux battery is very small, and driven by an =C2- SD-8 alternator. =C2-I did not join the batteries together for extra jolt =C2- when starting. =C2-I do have a small cross-feed relay that will allow the =C2- SD-8 to power the essential bus if the main alternator fails. The biggest thing I wrestled with, was how was my wife to know what =C2- switches to throw in the event of an alternator failure ? =C2-Together we =C2- came up with coloured lines joining the warning light and switches =C2- that are numbered. =C2-This low voltage light goes on, then flip these =C2- switches in this order. You can view my power diagram and the switch layout here: http://www.curtispriest.com/tundra/Electrical Jeff Page Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 > Speaking of Hall Effect stuff, I just purchased two LightSpeed III hall > effect ignition modules. The mfg says to connect the + side of the > controller through a pull-able breaker then directly to the battery > terminal. Ok, that covers their insurance folks if I crash. On the other > hand I am using Z-13 and was thinking of using the same scenario but > connecting them to the main battery bus using an ATC fuse and skipping > the breaker. I was never a proponent of having extra wires hanging off > the + side of the battery terminal. AS in Z-13 I will have a switch to > turn them on/off as necessary. > > Has anyone wired up two of these and which method did you use. > > Glenn =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. - MS - ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:56 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub (I think) Good Morning David, It appears that you are still shooting blanks. I wish I knew more about computers. I wonder if it would help to contact Matt Dralle (_dralle@matronics.com_ (mailto:dralle@matronics.com) ) directly? Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Do Not Archive In a message dated 12/17/2008 11:59:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, ainut@hiwaay.net writes: **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:32 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Hall Effect Sensor Installation At 09:07 PM 12/17/2008, you wrote: >Ken, >Congratulations. You are the first to obtain a less than >antagonistic response on this subject. Perhaps moderate aging mellows us. >It is not a stretch at all to find amps a valuable bit of info while airborne. >Stan I don't take pleasure in poking sticks at people. What have I said about ammeters that you interpreted as antagonistic? Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:14 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: tried to unsub. can't. how do I? At 12:02 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote: I presume you've been to the feature on the server that controls subscriptions: http://matronics.com/subscribe I checked your email address on this page and find that you're subscribed to three Lists. You un-check the boxes you want to delete and "execute". In a few minutes, you'll receive an e-mail that says a request for changes to your subscriptions has been received. There's a link on that email you have to hit to CONFIRM your request. This feature prevents folks from messing with your subscription status without your knowledge/ permission. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:14 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test no text ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: test > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:26 AM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub (I think) no text ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub (I think) > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:34 AM PST US From: Peter Russell Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub (I think) I also can not unsub. ??? can any suggest a solution ? Regards=2C Peteruss EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> From: ainut@hiwaay.net> To: aeroelec tric-list@matronics.com> Subject: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub ( I think)> Date: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 23:49:25 -0600> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:55 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Red start button and fuse. From: "marcausman" OK, who is pushing Stein's buttons? :D ha ha Sorry, couldn't resist. Merry Christmas and best wishes. stein(at)steinair.com wrote: > Bob is of course right...and it sounds eerily similar to what I said on the phone 30 minutes earlier! > > Cheers, > Stein > > Do Not Archive > > -------- Marc Ausman http://www.verticalpower.com RV-7 IO-390 Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219968#219968 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:17 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: test after unsub/sub (I think) At 09:46 AM 12/18/2008, you wrote: >I also can not unsub. ??? can any suggest a solution ? > >Regards, Peteruss > I just went to the matronics subscription page and successfully subscribed to a new list and then successfully un-subscribed from the same list. The system is working as advertised. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Andrew, My two cents! I have personally seen more EMAG/PMAG failures then total electrical failure in single bus electrical systems (Z-11). Add a secondary battery (Z-19) and the statistics improve for a plasma system vs. EMAG/PMAG. Remember during a major electrical failure (for what ever reason) the Plasma systems only need, is a good battery for more flying time then the airplane will hold fuel. The EMAG/PMAG product has had more then it's fair share of field testing failures by the customer. A customer that didn't realize they were test subjects. Just my opinion viewed with actual 1st party data not 3rd! Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Butler Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:57 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Hi Jeff, I also plan on dual electronic ignition and my original design was practically identical to yours. This was when I was looking at Dual Plasma III Ignitions. Then I switched to dual P-MAGS. Reason? Simplicity and internal power. At this point I couldn't reason that the added complexity of the dual battery split bus was justified, and ended up removing the second battery from the design. Both the designs are attached, the dual alt, dual batt dating from April. The current design is more or less finished. Any takers of critiquing it for me? The originals are in Visio. If anyone wants a copy, let me know. Cheers, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Page" Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 3:44:53 PM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules I plan dual electronic ignitions for my aircraft. I started with Z13/8. As much as I expect the designers have done significant things to ensure the ignitions work, in spite of nasty power events, I finally decided I wanted completely isolated electrical systems, so any problem, no matter how unlikely or unpredictable, could not prevent continued flight. So I added a few features from Z14. I didn't go all the way. My aux battery is very small, and driven by an SD-8 alternator. I did not join the batteries together for extra jolt when starting. I do have a small cross-feed relay that will allow the SD-8 to power the essential bus if the main alternator fails. The biggest thing I wrestled with, was how was my wife to know what switches to throw in the event of an alternator failure ? Together we came up with coloured lines joining the warning light and switches that are numbered. This low voltage light goes on, then flip these switches in this order. You can view my power diagram and the switch layout here: http://www.curtispriest.com/tundra/Electrical Jeff Page Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 > Speaking of Hall Effect stuff, I just purchased two LightSpeed III hall > effect ignition modules. The mfg says to connect the + side of the > controller through a pull-able breaker then directly to the battery > terminal. Ok, that covers their insurance folks if I crash. On the other > hand I am using Z-13 and was thinking of using the same scenario but > connecting them to the main battery bus using an ATC fuse and skipping > the breaker. I was never a proponent of having extra wires hanging off > the + side of the battery terminal. AS in Z-13 I will have a switch to > turn them on/off as necessary. > > Has anyone wired up two of these and which method did you use. > > Glenn -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - MS - 10/27/2008 7:57 AM 10/27/2008 7:57 AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:54 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Glenn, The reason for wiring the Lightspeed Plasma systems directly to the battery is to prevent engine failure should you experience a bus failure (a bus short, over voltage, or heavy drain buy a runaway device. The object is that you could simply shut off all electric and continue to fly (powering the Lightspeed system directly from a battery). If you wire the Plasma system to the bus, you would become a glider in the event of an electrical problem. In my opinion the Lightspeed dual system requires two batters in the airplane period. Anything less will only serve to help you glider logbook. Mike Larkin -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Page Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules I plan dual electronic ignitions for my aircraft. I started with Z13/8. As much as I expect the designers have done significant things to ensure the ignitions work, in spite of nasty power events, I finally decided I wanted completely isolated electrical systems, so any problem, no matter how unlikely or unpredictable, could not prevent continued flight. So I added a few features from Z14. I didn't go all the way. My aux battery is very small, and driven by an SD-8 alternator. I did not join the batteries together for extra jolt when starting. I do have a small cross-feed relay that will allow the SD-8 to power the essential bus if the main alternator fails. The biggest thing I wrestled with, was how was my wife to know what switches to throw in the event of an alternator failure ? Together we came up with coloured lines joining the warning light and switches that are numbered. This low voltage light goes on, then flip these switches in this order. You can view my power diagram and the switch layout here: http://www.curtispriest.com/tundra/Electrical Jeff Page Dream Aircraft Tundra #10 > Speaking of Hall Effect stuff, I just purchased two LightSpeed III hall > effect ignition modules. The mfg says to connect the + side of the > controller through a pull-able breaker then directly to the battery > terminal. Ok, that covers their insurance folks if I crash. On the other > hand I am using Z-13 and was thinking of using the same scenario but > connecting them to the main battery bus using an ATC fuse and skipping > the breaker. I was never a proponent of having extra wires hanging off > the + side of the battery terminal. AS in Z-13 I will have a switch to > turn them on/off as necessary. > > Has anyone wired up two of these and which method did you use. > > Glenn 10/27/2008 7:57 AM 10/27/2008 7:57 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:36 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules From: James H Nelson Mike, How many failures do you know about with the E-Mag, P-Mag ignitions? How many failures of magneto ignitions have occured in the same time? Other ignitions of various configurations. Fact vs: opinion is very important. Nothing is perfect. The main reason we all use dual ignitions is for safety. It also gives us better fuel burn. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hgimeim0pl7I4CFc1o21Xu2lJFNyMywOmmFBAAdKspEJHz/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:04 AM PST US From: "Ralph Finch" Subject: AeroElectric-List: LED Nav lights: recommendation? Bob-- Sorry to bother you with this but: do you have a vendor or vendors of LED Navigation lights you can recommend or at least point out to me? Especially ones that would sell their lights without driver so I can use yours. Having a bit of trouble locating such a product. Thanks, Ralph Finch Davis, CA RV-9A QB ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:37 PM PST US From: Ernest Christley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: LED Nav lights: recommendation? Ralph Finch wrote: > > Bob-- > > Sorry to bother you with this but: do you have a vendor or vendors of LED > Navigation lights you can recommend or at least point out to me? Especially > ones that would sell their lights without driver so I can use yours. Having > a bit of trouble locating such a product. > > besthongkong.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:37 PM PST US From: James Robinson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules I have been using dual Lightspeed ign for about 300 hrs on my Glll with no problems. Jim Robinson Glll- N79R --- On Thu, 12/18/08, James H Nelson wrote: From: James H Nelson Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Mike, How many failures do you know about with the E-Mag, P-Mag ignitions? How many failures of magneto ignitions have occured in the same time? Other ignitions of various configurations. Fact vs: opinion is very important. Nothing is perfect. The main reason we all use dual ignitions is for safety. It also gives us better fuel burn. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hgimeim0pl7I4CFc1o21Xu2l JFNyMywOmmFBAAdKspEJHz/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:22 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules At 12:06 PM 12/18/2008, you wrote: > >Glenn, > >The reason for wiring the Lightspeed Plasma systems directly to the >battery is to prevent engine failure should you experience a bus failure >(a bus short, over voltage, or heavy drain buy a runaway device. The >object is that you could simply shut off all electric and continue to >fly (powering the Lightspeed system directly from a battery). If you >wire the Plasma system to the bus, you would become a glider in the >event of an electrical problem. In my opinion the Lightspeed dual >system requires two batters in the airplane period. Anything less will >only serve to help you glider logbook. How do those feared risks occur? How do you get a shorted battery bus failure? How does connection directly to the battery protect against an overvoltage condition? What matter of "runaway device" can you imagine that brings the entire system to its knees? As long as we're in the free-ranging imagination mode, how about bursting batteries, open batteries, etc. etc. It's easy to hypothesize about all manner of failure but the acid test is the repeatable experiment. Get any combination of implements you choose and MAKE one of those events happen. If it can happen accidently, then you can make it happen. If it's exceedingly difficult or impossible to MAKE it happen, then concerns for accidental events go away. The physics of events do not change for random versus purposeful failures. Suppose your engine is also dependent upon electrically delivered fuel? The path to Nirvana is more than hooking certain accessories directly to the battery with some notion of fending off nargles. Failure Mode Effects Analysis is a science and exercise in logic that has served aviation (and others) very well for 100+ years. Making sure the electrically dependent engine is not left in dark has been discussed here on the list for over ten years. These discussions have included consideration of auxiliary batteries both manually and automatically controlled. http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z29-30K.pdf http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/bat_iso2.pdf http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/9005-701B.pdf There are well considered rationale for dual accessories and power sources that do not concern themselves with the statistically improbable or physically impossible failure. These were the thought processes that went into crafting Z-19 for certain kinds of engines. http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z19m_1.pdf http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z19m_2.pdf Let us not get bogged down with concerns about why and how to tie multiple wires to the battery(+) post. There are tried and well tested ways to architecture and fabricate an electrical system that grow out of confidence of understanding as opposed to nostrums that arise out of fear. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:34 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: LED Nav lights: recommendation? At 01:31 PM 12/18/2008, you wrote: > >Bob-- > >Sorry to bother you with this but: do you have a vendor or vendors of LED >Navigation lights you can recommend or at least point out to me? Especially >ones that would sell their lights without driver so I can use yours. Having >a bit of trouble locating such a product. > >Thanks, > >Ralph Finch >Davis, CA No bother at all sir. I must confess that I'm ignorant of the most attractive products to this task. My interest in the power supplies arose from discussions that I think came to this List from the RV folks. Seems the barefoot power supplies were taking radios down. My only participation to this point has been to make these devices more user friendly for installation and system friendly with respect to noise. The idea is catching on . . . I presume based on availability of attractive lamps. I sent two pairs of LED drivers out of the country last week! If folks on the List are aware of suppliers for LED products suited to the task of fabricating nav lights, I'd be pleased to be made aware of them. I'll tie a list of recommendations to the last page of the document that I crafted for the power supplies. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:32 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules I would agree..There have been a handful of failures, some of those were serious where the E/Pmag lost its timing reference. There were two reasons for this..One was where the firmware would see a false pressure spike and would then revert to its factory default timing..This was fixed a while ago and seems to have not re-occured. The other reason was because the magnet was shifting on the end of the shaft. There have been several fixes for this but I believe the lastest one has finally got it. The magnet is now silver soldered on the holder and the holder is keyed to the end of the shaft. Now of course this latest revision does not have that many hours on it so by default its unproven over the long term but it sure looks like a robust solution. I have over 300 hours on an E/Pmag combo and did have some early teething troubles. I know have the latest fixes and feel quite comfortable flying behind them. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules --> Mike, How many failures do you know about with the E-Mag, P-Mag ignitions? How many failures of magneto ignitions have occured in the same time? Other ignitions of various configurations. Fact vs: opinion is very important. Nothing is perfect. The main reason we all use dual ignitions is for safety. It also gives us better fuel burn. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1hgimeim0pl7I4CFc1o21Xu2lJFNyMywOmmFBAAdKspEJHz/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:19 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: tried to unsub. can't. how do I? ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:23 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US From: Dale Rogers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules FWIW dept. Marc Zeitlin documents the saga of his experiences, 2004 - 2008, with the product line. http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/index.html Dale R. COZY MkIV #0497 Ch. 12 James H Nelson wrote: > > Mike, > How many failures do you know about with the E-Mag, P-Mag > ignitions? How many failures of magneto ignitions have occured in the > same time? Other ignitions of various configurations. Fact vs: opinion > is very important. Nothing is perfect. The main reason we all use dual > ignitions is for safety. It also gives us better fuel burn. > > Jim > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:09 PM PST US From: Dale Rogers Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! David M wrote: > David, Are you sending your messages as "attachments"? Either your mailer or the matronics mailer seems to be stripping off your content. Try setting up your mail handler to send "plain text" or "ASCII". Dale R. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:02 PM PST US From: "Chris Byrne" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dual Lightspeed Ignition modules Dale wrote >FWIW dept. > > Marc Zeitlin documents the saga of his experiences, 2004 - 2008, with the > product line. And then there is the silent majority that are happy with their PMAG. Yes some people have had problems, and there have been teething problems.I have had to send mine back for an update. But I haven't had any problems with mine. I only have 90 Hrs on them but many others have 100's of hours on theirs. Just to balance the argument. Chris Byrne ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:02 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:23 PM PST US From: "Henry Trzeciakowski" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Ignition Switch Bob: I just purchased an ACS Ignition Switch (A-510-2) [ Off-Right-Left-Both-Start] and was looking at their wiring instructions. I then downloaded your Z-26 diagram for Ignition Switch Options - Magento. Both wiring diagrams are basically identical with a few differences: Both diagrams jumper GRD &R for impulse coupling to Right Mag - shielded wire Both depict L to Left Mag - shielded wire Both depict B to Main Bus (7amp) Both diagram S to Starter Seleniod The differences are: ACS has shielded wire grounded at the right & left mag only, and the GRD terminal grounded at the grounding block or nearest structure. whereas your Z-26 have these wires shielded at both ends with the shield closest to the ignition switch wired to the GRD, but your GRD is NOT grounded to a grounding block or nearest structure.... ACS also says to use all shielded wire....I personally think that is overkill... So, would you recommend grounding at both ends of the shielding wire, but why not ground at the switch, or was this accidently omitted by you? Comments, suggestions appreciated. Henry ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:38 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! David - Do you have McAfee VirusScan on your computer? I've seen some reports that virus scanning on the outgoing messages can somehow cause the messages to appear to be blank. I have no idea why this would be so, or if this is fact or fiction. But, it may be worthwhile turning off any virus scanning for a test. Kevin Horton On 18-Dec-08, at 18:30 , David M wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:40 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! Still not working ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! From: Dj Merrill Hi David, Looking at the message source I can see your text, but there is also some extra gunk in there that seems to be messing things up, and it looks like it is being generated on your computer. You might try disabling your AVG virus scanner, and then send another e-mail to see if that corrects the issue. The message header has a Content-Type "=======AVGMAIL-494ADD2F0000=======" info embedded in it, along with three other lines that also have "Content-Type" header information, including some embedded part way down the message, which does not look right to me. The only other idea is something is set incorrectly with the Microsoft Outlook Express program that you are using. If hiiway.net offers a web interface to your e-mail, you might try sending a message from that to bypass Outlook Express. You might also try another e-mail program such as Thunderbird. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:18 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: AeroElectric-List: and my email is set to plain text! ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:00 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off test #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Horton" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed now! > > > David - Do you have McAfee VirusScan on your computer? I've seen some > reports that virus scanning on the outgoing messages can somehow cause > the messages to appear to be blank. I have no idea why this would be > so, or if this is fact or fiction. But, it may be worthwhile turning > off any virus scanning for a test. > > Kevin Horton > > On 18-Dec-08, at 18:30 , David M wrote: > >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:06 PM ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:04 PM PST US From: "Ron Shannon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off Ta Da! That did it. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:55 PM, David M wrote: > > test #6 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:34 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off Looks Good!! Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 12/18/2008 8:59:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, ainut@hiwaay.net writes: test #6 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:28 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off Now that it's working what was the message? Better be good! HA HA Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B@aol.com To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off Looks Good!! Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 12/18/2008 8:59:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, ainut@hiwaay.net writes: test #6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yah&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025">Try it now. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:22 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off Yay! It works now!!! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David M" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: test 6, avg outgoing turned off > > test #6 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Horton" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: test #4 - I know I unsubbed and resubbed > now! > > >> >> >> David - Do you have McAfee VirusScan on your computer? I've seen some >> reports that virus scanning on the outgoing messages can somehow cause >> the messages to appear to be blank. I have no idea why this would be >> so, or if this is fact or fiction. But, it may be worthwhile turning >> off any virus scanning for a test. >> >> Kevin Horton >> >> On 18-Dec-08, at 18:30 , David M wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 8:06 PM > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:06 PM ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:17 PM PST US From: "David M" Subject: AeroElectric-List: current sensors I'm going to use these in my OBAM 12v home made EFIS: Allegro ACS750xCA-100 Cheap, easy, and hopefully reliable. No moving parts. :) David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.