---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/11/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:15 AM - Re: Your favorite cover? (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS) 2. 05:27 AM - Re: Wingtip Nav question (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 3. 11:30 AM - Re: Wingtip Nav question (Allen Fulmer) 4. 01:58 PM - Garmin weather antenna (Emrath) 5. 02:23 PM - Re: Your favorite cover? (Robert Borger) 6. 02:37 PM - Re: Garmin weather antenna (David LLoyd) 7. 06:51 PM - Re: Little toot on your mag cover. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 07:11 PM - Re: Garmin weather antenna (Bill Hibbing) 9. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Polyfuses (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:57 AM PST US From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Your favorite cover? Here's some options based on pictures so kindly submitted to date: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Covers/ I guess we can make this a popularity contest. Kindly mail your votes directly to me at: mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com so as to not clutter up the archives . . . Any additional pictures are welcome too! Bob . . . Since there are so many excellent pictures, perhaps you might consider a collage of them all. Roger ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:03 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Nav question At the very least you will probably want to mark your PS Engineering MB lights as INOP if you disconnect your MB antenna. This is the main reason I would leave something. Another thing I have heard others do (mine is that 40" wire in the tip) is to put a 40" wire in the bottom of the cowl. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Nav question I hear ya Bob...didn't mean to ignore it. You make a good point. The thing I can't answer is....if I have a MB receiver and I don't put an antenna of some sort on it, could that cause any potential problems. Probably not, but, I figure I've already got the antenna, and the wire run, and so I may as well terminate it somewhere. Also, even though you don't need it to get lower minimums, it still IS an audible source of knowing when you pass certain points, so although it has little value, it isn't really worthless. If I were starting over I'd probably still wire it in to a wingtip or something, just to terminate it since I have the receiver. But, it certainly is one of the things I'd miss the least in the panel. Probably even less than an ADF. :) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Good Morning Larry, > > I mentioned this yesterday, but if I may repeat, why would anyone want a > marker beacon receiver? > > The only approach I can think of that uses a marker beacon to supply a > lower MDA is the LOC-D at KSEE, Gillespie Field, San Diego. The fan > marker there is called GRIGG and it has been out of service awaiting > repair parts for several years. Those who have an IFR legal GPS can use > it to locate the GRIGG intersection in lieu of the failed fan marker. > > Even the KSEE LOC-D approach could be executed without the marker or a > means of determining it's position, but it would be to a higher MDA > > If you have any GPS, even a VFR one, it can supply situational awareness > much better than a marker. An IFR approved GPS with a current database, > can be legally used in lieu of any still functioning marker beacon. > > The FAA removed the marker beacon as a required portion of the ILS > several years ago. They are slowly being phased out. > > Happy Skies > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > 628 West 86th Street > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8502 > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > > In a message dated 3/10/2009 9:22:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > N205EN@gmail.com writes: > > Tim, > Why don't you put the marker beacon antenna in the wing tip, just use a > 40" piece of wire, and then mount the ADS-B antenna in the current > marker beacon location. > > Larry Rosen > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:17 AM PST US From: "Allen Fulmer" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Nav question Or on the wing to fuselage lower fairing. >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV >>>Builder (Michael Sausen) >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:23 AM >>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Nav question >>> >>> >>>(Michael Sausen)" >>> >>> At the very least you will probably want to mark your PS >>>Engineering MB lights as INOP if you disconnect your MB >>>antenna. This is the main reason I would leave something. >>>Another thing I have heard others do (mine is that 40" wire >>>in the tip) is to put a 40" wire in the bottom of the cowl. >>> >>>Michael >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On >>>Behalf Of Tim Olson >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:10 PM >>>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wingtip Nav question >>> >>> >>>I hear ya Bob...didn't mean to ignore it. You make a good point. >>>The thing I can't answer is....if I have a MB receiver and >>>I don't put an antenna of some sort on it, could that cause >>>any potential problems. Probably not, but, I figure I've >>>already got the antenna, and the wire run, and so I may >>>as well terminate it somewhere. Also, even though you don't >>>need it to get lower minimums, it still IS an audible source >>>of knowing when you pass certain points, so although it has >>>little value, it isn't really worthless. If I were starting >>>over I'd probably still wire it in to a wingtip or something, >>>just to terminate it since I have the receiver. But, it >>>certainly is one of the things I'd miss the least in the panel. >>>Probably even less than an ADF. :) >>> >>>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> >>> >>>BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: >>>> Good Morning Larry, >>>> >>>> I mentioned this yesterday, but if I may repeat, why would >>>anyone want a >>>> marker beacon receiver? >>>> >>>> The only approach I can think of that uses a marker beacon >>>to supply a >>>> lower MDA is the LOC-D at KSEE, Gillespie Field, San >>>Diego. The fan >>>> marker there is called GRIGG and it has been out of >>>service awaiting >>>> repair parts for several years. Those who have an IFR >>>legal GPS can use >>>> it to locate the GRIGG intersection in lieu of the failed >>>fan marker. >>>> >>>> Even the KSEE LOC-D approach could be executed without the >>>marker or a >>>> means of determining it's position, but it would be to a higher MDA >>>> >>>> If you have any GPS, even a VFR one, it can supply >>>situational awareness >>>> much better than a marker. An IFR approved GPS with a >>>current database, >>>> can be legally used in lieu of any still functioning marker beacon. >>>> >>>> The FAA removed the marker beacon as a required portion of the ILS >>>> several years ago. They are slowly being phased out. >>>> >>>> Happy Skies >>>> >>>> Old Bob >>>> AKA >>>> Bob Siegfried >>>> Ancient Aviator >>>> 628 West 86th Street >>>> Downers Grove, IL 60516 >>>> 630 985-8502 >>>> Stearman N3977A >>>> Brookeridge Air Park LL22 >>>> >>>> In a message dated 3/10/2009 9:22:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>> N205EN@gmail.com writes: >>>> >>>> Tim, >>>> Why don't you put the marker beacon antenna in the >>>wing tip, just use a >>>> 40" piece of wire, and then mount the ADS-B antenna in >>>the current >>>> marker beacon location. >>>> >>>> Larry Rosen >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:48 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin weather antenna I have a Garmin Weather antenna for my GPSMAP 496 which I would like to mount on top of my panel. There are two threaded holes in the back of the antenna to be able to bolt this to the 'dash'. Does anyone know what size screws are required to do this, I cannot seem to find any reference in my materials about this. Marty ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:37 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Your favorite cover? Bob, I'm afraid that I'm terribly prejudiced but I'd vote for that lovely biplane cover. After all, there are scads of RV's out there but only one original 1957 vintage prototype Little Toot Biplane, the winner of so many individual awards at Oshkosh over the last 51 years. But then Tommy Meyer, son of George Meyer who was the designer and builder of N61G, is one of my best friends. Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 10, 2009, at 21:22, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > > Here's some options based on pictures so kindly > submitted to date: > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Covers/ > > I guess we can make this a popularity contest. Kindly > mail your votes directly to me at: > > mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com > > so as to not clutter up the archives . . . > > Any additional pictures are welcome too! > > Bob . . . > > ----------------------------------------) > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > ---------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:16 PM PST US From: "David LLoyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin weather antenna Marty, Do you know if your weather antenna is the model that has the ring magnet on the bottom...? If so, you may not want to mount it to the panel top if you have a compass near by. Also, you may not want to permanently mount it in case you want to take the antenna with you to hook up to another Garmin in a buddy's plane. There is a procedure for removing the magnet if it is not desired. Some of us have mounted the antenna high up and out of the way in the front window frame area using an "L" shaped bracket. The 2 screws holding it can be quickly removed in the case where you want to use the antenna in another aircraft. ......2 cents of comment.... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin weather antenna > > I have a Garmin Weather antenna for my GPSMAP 496 which I would like to > mount on top of my panel. There are two threaded holes in the back of the > antenna to be able to bolt this to the 'dash'. Does anyone know what size > screws are required to do this, I cannot seem to find any reference in my > materials about this. > > Marty > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:04 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Little toot on your mag cover. At 06:36 PM 3/11/2009, you wrote: >We appreciate your use of my fathers Little Toot on the cover >of your magazine. > >As Bob Borger mentioned to you. We have larger Meg pictures if you >care to have them. > >I would be honored to see N61G on your cover soon. >Let me know what I could do to help. Sure would help the toot LSA Movement. > >Please consider my large library of Photo's of Little Toot. > >Your consideration is appreciated. > >If you would like to contact me. >Here is my Phone Number 817-269-9292 > >Tommy Meyer Thank you so much for your offer. I wasn't planning on a "fancy" cover for the next edition of the 'Connection but Andy Gold at Aircraft Technical Books convinced me that it was "necessary". That put me in a real spot. There are so many stellar examples of the amateur built aircraft art and science out there . . . how does one choose? That's when I decided to let the readers pick it. I might take the #2 and #3 votes for later editions. I'll be out of town until next Sunday. I'll tally up all the votes and we'll publish the results. That sure is a cute airplane . . . looks like a blast to fly! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:26 PM PST US From: "Bill Hibbing" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin weather antenna I have a 396 and if the antenna you're talking about is for the XM weather I'm pretty sure that the screws are 4-40. What I did to make it easy to remove the antenna was cut the head off the screw and then sharpen it up a little. I then drilled holes in the top of the glareshield using the mounted screws to mark the spot to drill and set the antenna with screws attached into the holes. I've been using it this way for a couple of years now and have never had a problem of the antenna coming off the glareshield in turbulence. Oh yeah, I used as small a drill as possible so that the fit was fairly snug. Bill Glasair SIIS-FT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin weather antenna > > I have a Garmin Weather antenna for my GPSMAP 496 which I would like to > mount on top of my panel. There are two threaded holes in the back of the > antenna to be able to bolt this to the 'dash'. Does anyone know what size > screws are required to do this, I cannot seem to find any reference in my > materials about this. > > Marty > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08:28:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:11 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Polyfuses At 10:30 PM 3/9/2009, you wrote: >Sausen)" > > So here's a thought then for a potentially suitable application > for these little monsters where there is some $value$. Ignoring > the fact that these are surface mount creatures and a suitable and > robust mounting mechanism would be needed, what about a scenario > where you have a rear mounted battery and need to protect a wire in > which a fuse would not be useable. Say if a device has a low power > requirement but for some reason has a crowbar circuit in it like > maybe a Lightspeed ignition. :P > > Like I said before, I'm not keen on using a relay as that is > nothing more than a workaround in my mind and introduces a whole > new failure mode plus a bunch of additional wiring. The self > resetting nature of the Polyfuse wouldn't be a big deal as I would > still want a master switch on each LSE. Checklist item would be > the best solution to addressing when to reset a "blown" > ignition. More importantly it would allow the crowbarred (is that > a word) ignition to be reset without the need to access a > inaccessible fuse/breaker or use a relay to shoe horn a breaker > into an accessible location. > > So can someone tell me why this would not work to address the > recent revelations around LSE's? I still would rather use a fuse > or breaker but it seems to be as good or better than some of the > other alternatives (big wire, relay). I think I'm lost. How would the polyfuse facilitate an alternative to big wires and/or relays? I don't recall a conversation about relays except for heavy duty alternate feed paths for the e-bus. I'm not seeing your point about a polyfuse being more attractive than a fuse or breaker in the same slot. Can you enlighten me? Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.