AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Wed 04/01/09


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 07:14 AM - NavWorx (rampil)
     2. 07:16 AM - Re: Impossible problem (rampil)
     3. 07:18 AM - Re: GNS 430 question (Chris Stone)
     4. 07:39 AM - Re: Impossible problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     5. 07:42 AM - Re: Impossible problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     6. 07:58 AM - Re: [Probable SPAM] NavWorx ()
     7. 08:10 AM - Re: NavWorx (Bob Leffler)
     8. 10:39 AM - Re: Impossible problem (jaybannist@cs.com)
     9. 11:02 AM - Re: [Probable SPAM] NavWorx (rampil)
    10. 11:50 AM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
    11. 11:53 AM - Re: Impossible problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    12. 01:13 PM - Re: Impossible problem (jaybannist@cs.com)
    13. 03:00 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    14. 06:37 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (Paula Andres)
    15. 06:43 PM - Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on Rotax /Ducati regulator? (rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US)
    16. 07:04 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (currydon@bellsouth.net)
    17. 07:04 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (Bruce Gray)
    18. 08:26 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    19. 08:32 PM - Re: Impossible problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    20. 08:32 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    21. 08:32 PM - Re: Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on Rotax /Ducati regulator? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    22. 08:43 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    23. 08:51 PM - Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable (Paula Andres)
    24. 11:02 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    25. 11:08 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:14:56 AM PST US
    Subject: NavWorx
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Does anyone yet have any direct experience with the new NavWorx ADSB-in system? Their web site is kind of scant on detail. I'd like interface data like are they providing straight DO-282A out? It's a great idea. Free broadcast traffic, weather, and airspace. For a $1000. I'd rather buy their product than dink around with modifying an old analog TV sat receiver and a demodulator. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237200#237200


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    Time: 07:16:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    This may or may not be helpful, but problems like your are most frequently due to the actual wiring in the airframe being different from whats on paper. The most profitable thing to do is to voltage and continuity test to assure conformance to your design. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237202#237202


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    Time: 07:18:21 AM PST US
    From: Chris Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
    Subject: GNS 430 question
    Bob... You are absolutely right. I now see what Garmin is communicating with their schematic. Maybe a bit unconventional. Thanks! Chris -----Original Message----- >From: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca> >Sent: Apr 1, 2009 12:59 AM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNS 430 question > > >Chris; > >This is a case of misinterpretation of the information shown. First the diagram you attached does NOT show a CB in the ground wire. The labeling specifying the two ground wires shows an amperage for a CB because the wire gauge required changes depending upon which CB is used in the wire connected to pins 11,12 immediately above (based on 14 or 28 volt systems) but no CB is shown in the ground wires. The ground wire label is simply guiding you as to correctly determine the wire gauge required for these wires. > >Bob McC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris >Stone >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNS 430 question > > >Bob... > >This is the corect page from the Garmin IM 190-00356-02 Rev B November 2006 > >Chris > >> >> >>Chris; >> >>Not sure what you're looking at Chris. Rev M of the install manual Figure F-10 on page F-21 is the schematic for the typical installation of a GNS 430 and shows power through a 5A CB to pins 19, 20 on connector p4001 , power through a CB to pins 11, 12 of connector P4002(5A 28V or 10A 14V), and then pins 21, 22 of P4002, 77,78 of P4001, and 41 of P4006 all grounded. (no CB's) Where do you see CB's in the grounds? See page 108 of 132 at the following link. http://tinyurl.com/ccfsyq >> >>Bob McC >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris >>Stone >>Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM >>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNS 430 question >> >> >> >>Hello Garmin experts... >> >>In reviewing the Garmin 430 install manual the power wiring diagram shows two 5 amp CBs on the 2 of 3 grounds. This is in addition to CBs on all the positive power supply lines. What does this accomplish? I can find nothing in the text that provides an explanation. >> >>Chris Stone >>RV-8 >>Newberg, OR >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:39:52 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    At 03:38 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >HELP !! > >I there anyone out there willing to dig in hand >help me with an impossible problem ? > >I have a Zodiac 601XL with a Corvair engine. I >have dual fuel pumps and dual ignition coils. >The airplane has flown. I designed my electrical >system (Scheme 1) thinking that alternators and >regulators were mostly bullet proof. Since >discovering that was a bad assumption, I decided >to power the fuel pumps and coils from the >battery bus (Scheme 2). That is the only thing >I changed. Now, fuel pump 2 won=99t run when I >select it with the switch. I tested the fuel >pump with a portable battery and it runs. I >tested each tab of both switches (Switch >analysis). I have continuity between tab 3 of >the fuel pump switch and the connector on the >fuel pump. I have zero volts on the fuel pump >connector. How can that be? And why? Today I >changed the wiring to place tabs 2 and 5 of the >fuel pump switch to the battery bus and tabs 2 >and 5 of the coil switch to the battery >bus. Still no joy. I also found that selecting >the fuel pump switch either up or down lights >the alternator warning light. That obviously >shouldn't happen. Surely I am overlooking >something, Could I have a bad fuel pump switch? Or what? If it were my airplane, I'd have each of the 4 systems control through it's own switch and battery bus fuss. Using -10 switch for BOTH sets of pumps/coils puts a single point of failure in both pairs of devices. Further, each device should get it's own fuse at the battery bus. The 25A fuse and downstream wiring becomes another single point of failure for two devices. Those are really fat feeders and fuses . . . how much current do each of these systems draw? I'm wondering about the PMR1C rectifier/regulator teamed with the 20A John Deere PM alternator. The B&C website speaks to use of the PMR1C with their line of 10A alternators. Even so, their installation data speaks to a maximum operating case temperature of 175F and cautions about paying attention to heating with YOUR installation particulars. See: http://bandc.biz/PMR1C_Install_DWG.pdf If I extrapolate their measured temperature values up to a 20A operating load, you'll be bumping the 175F limit. Their measured values were probably on the bench in still air at room temp. Your installation will no doubt have more air movement but perhaps hotter environment. It's worth investigating with a measurement of temperature in flight and at full load. A useful data point: I'm told that John Deere makes a PM alternator rectifier-regulator that is compatible with both their 20 and 35 amp machines. Part No is AM101406. Pictures of the John Deere products are seen in http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html Should you discover that the PMR1C runs a bit too toasty for comfort, the JD product may offer a plan-b solution. You have too much "stuff" on your e-bus which prompts a really fat feeder for the alternate feed path. This suggests some rethinking on switching of the alternate feed path feeder to a Z-32 configuration? Are the position lights LED devices? 2A is light for feeding incandescent lamps. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:42:47 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    At 03:38 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: >HELP !! > >I there anyone out there willing to dig in hand >help me with an impossible problem ? > >I have a Zodiac 601XL with a Corvair engine. I >have dual fuel pumps and dual ignition coils. >The airplane has flown. I designed my electrical >system (Scheme 1) thinking that alternators and >regulators were mostly bullet proof. Since >discovering that was a bad assumption, I decided >to power the fuel pumps and coils from the >battery bus (Scheme 2). That is the only thing >I changed. Now, fuel pump 2 won=99t run when I >select it with the switch. I tested the fuel >pump with a portable battery and it runs. I >tested each tab of both switches (Switch >analysis). I have continuity between tab 3 of >the fuel pump switch and the connector on the >fuel pump. I have zero volts on the fuel pump >connector. How can that be? And why? Today I >changed the wiring to place tabs 2 and 5 of the >fuel pump switch to the battery bus and tabs 2 >and 5 of the coil switch to the battery >bus. Still no joy. I also found that selecting >the fuel pump switch either up or down lights >the alternator warning light. That obviously >shouldn't happen. Surely I am overlooking >something, Could I have a bad fuel pump switch? Or what? Okay, assuming no modifications to the architecture are being considered, let's consider what you've obseved. There is no connection on your drawing between the fuel pump selection switch and the alternator warning light. This suggests a wiring error. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:58:34 AM PST US
    Subject: NavWorx
    From: <longg@pjm.com>
    Ira, I agree in terms of the trade-off for cobbling one together. Looks like their best deal at $1500 is almost a no-brainer. I disagree on the motive for this equipment as this is primarily aimed at big-brother tactics. The government driven mentality is by default completely un-American. Whether you realize it this year or in 5 years, they are pinning the tail on your donkey. They'll do it anyway, I just refuse to help them. I'll keep the $1500 in my pocket and use if for fuel to get to a great trout fishing stream where by-the-way ADSB has no coverage. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [Probable SPAM] AeroElectric-List: NavWorx Does anyone yet have any direct experience with the new NavWorx ADSB-in system? Their web site is kind of scant on detail. I'd like interface data like are they providing straight DO-282A out? It's a great idea. Free broadcast traffic, weather, and airspace. For a $1000. I'd rather buy their product than dink around with modifying an old analog TV sat receiver and a demodulator. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237200#237200


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    Time: 08:10:14 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: NavWorx
    A good write up by Tim Olson...... http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20081025/index.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: NavWorx Does anyone yet have any direct experience with the new NavWorx ADSB-in system? Their web site is kind of scant on detail. I'd like interface data like are they providing straight DO-282A out? It's a great idea. Free broadcast traffic, weather, and airspace. For a $1000. I'd rather buy their product than dink around with modifying an old analog TV sat receiver and a demodulator. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237200#237200


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    Time: 10:39:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 9:38 am Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Impossible problem At 03:38 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: HELP !! I there anyone out there willing to dig in hand help me with an impossible problem ? I have a Zodiac 601XL with a Corvair engine.=C2- I have dual fuel pumps and dual ignition coils. The airplane has flown. I designed my electrical system (Scheme 1) thinking that alternators and regulators were mostly bullet proof.=C2- Since discovering that was a bad assumption, I decided to power the fuel pumps and coils from the battery bus (Scheme 2).=C2- That is the only thing I changed.=C2- Now, fuel pump 2 won=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t run when I select it with the switch.=C2- I t ested the fuel pump with a portable battery and it runs.=C2- I tested each tab of both switches (Switch analysis). I have continuity between tab 3 of the fuel pump switch and the connector on the fuel pump.=C2- I have zero volts on the fuel pump connector. How can that be? And why?=C2- Today I changed the wiring to place tabs 2 and 5 of the fuel pump switch to the battery bus and tabs 2 and 5 of the coil switch to the battery bus.=C2- Still no joy. I also found that selecting the fuel pump switch either up or down lights the alternator warning light. That obviously shouldn't happen. Surely I am overlooking something, Cou ld I have a bad fuel pump switch? Or what? =C2-=C2- If it were my airplane, I'd have each of the 4 systems =C2-=C2- control through it's own switch and battery bus fuss. =C2-=C2- Using -10 switch for BOTH sets of pumps/coils puts a single =C2-=C2- point of failure in both pairs of devices. Further, =C2-=C2- each device should get it's own fuse at the battery bus. =C2-=C2- The 25A fuse and downstream wiring becomes another single =C2-=C2- point of failure for two devices. Those are really fat =C2-=C2- feeders and fuses . . . how much current do each of these =C2-=C2- systems draw? The way it is currently wired, should one of the 25A fuses blow, I should still have power to both switches.=C2- I do plan to install a larger battery bus fuse block and run 4 wires to these switches. I will use 10A fuses and run 16AWG wires to the switches. I simply don't have room for two more switches, so I will have to risk failure of the -10 switches. =C2-=C2- I'm wondering about the PMR1C rectifier/regulator teamed =C2-=C2- with the 20A John Deere PM alternator. The B&C website =C2-=C2- speaks to use of the PMR1C with their line of 10A alternators. =C2-=C2- Even so, their installation data speaks to a maximum operating =C2-=C2- case temperature of 175F and cautions about paying attention =C2-=C2- to heating with YOUR installation particulars. See: =C2-=C2- http://bandc.biz/PMR1C_Install_DWG.pdf =C2-=C2- If I ex trapolate their measured temperature values up =C2-=C2- to a 20A operating load, you'll be bumping the 175F =C2-=C2- limit. Their measured values were probably on the bench =C2-=C2- in still air at room temp. Your installation will =C2-=C2- no doubt have more air movement but perhaps hotter =C2-=C2- environment. It's worth investigating with a measurement =C2-=C2- of temperature in flight and at full load. I have that regulator mounted on the aft side of the firewall, away from electronic heat loads.=C2- I will still be keeping an eye on it. =C2-=C2- A useful data point: I'm told that John Deere makes =C2-=C2- a PM alternator rectifier-regulator that is compatible =C2-=C2- with both their 20 and 35 amp machines. Part No is =C2-=C2- AM101406. Pictures of the John Deere products are =C2-=C2- seen in =C2-=C2- http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html =C2-=C2- Should you discover that the PMR1C runs a bit too toasty =C2-=C2- for comfort, the JD product may offer a plan-b solution. =C2-=C2- You have too much "stuff" on your e-bus which prompts =C2-=C2- a really fat feeder for the alternate feed path. This =C2-=C2- suggests some rethinking on switching of the alternate =C2-=C2- feed path feeder to a Z-32 configuration? The largest current draw on the e-bus is the flap motor. In case I have to switch to the e-bus, I will have all comm and nav available and will probably shut those down before using flaps. I wanted the fat wiring in case someone other than me who didn't understand the system and used everything at once. =C2-=C2- Are the position lights LED devices? 2A is light for =C2-=C2- feeding incandescent lamps. That is a typo.=C2- I actually have a 5A circuit breaker on the nav light circuit. My MAIN source of concern is that EVERYTHING worked properly before I made this change; and the ONLY thing I changed was the source of power to the coil and fuel pump switches. Jay ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 11:02:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: [Probable SPAM] NavWorx
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Hi Glenn, I agree its about money, but you got it wrong, I myself heard the FAA Administrator herself say that shutting down the ground based radar facilities and using ADSB would save so much on labor costs that she could give a UAT and display to every pilot in the country in the first year and still save tens of billions of dollars in that year and more later! PS The FAA owns you whether they ping you with radar or with an ADSB pulse -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237251#237251


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    Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US
    From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Thanks Bob. I forgot about that feature once the box was in the plane. Given the critical role of the external annunciator panel and the interaction with my single CDI head, the things I always need to review require the whole panel. It's a nice box for it's time. The thing it really does easily and well is a full GPS non-precision approach - the T shaped kind. No vectors. Short of vectors to an ILS, it's about the simplest thing to do with my setup if the brain starts to tumble. Did you ever think you'd be able to call a GPS panel in a Stearman 'ancient'? As in, "wow, this thing doesn't even have synthetic vision...." "it doesn't have windows either, just stick your head out!" Bill Watson "collector of fine Stearman cheesecake shots" do not archive BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Good Evening Bill, > > All it takes is power. There is one of those little quarter inch or so > plugs just for that purpose. I use a universal Radio Shack 12 volt DC > power source. > > There is a simulator mode. It tells all about it in the operators > manual. I just sit it on my desk, plug in the power cord and shoot > approaches as much as I want. It isn't as nice as a good computer > program, but it does allow me to practice the steps needed for an > approach. Since my Stearman is not legal for IFR, it is just a toy, > but If I ever got stuck, I just might use it to find a place to land! > > I have shot a few approaches under the hood with a safety pilot in the > front pit. Actually works quite well. However, as you say, if you > don't use it much, it is easy to forget the required steps. > > Happy Skies > > Old Bob > AKA > Bob Siegfried > Ancient Aviator > 628 West 86th Street > Downers Grove, IL 60516 > 630 985-8502 > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Air Park LL22 > > In a message dated 3/31/2009 7:40:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > MauleDriver@nc.rr.com writes: > > I'm curious... what is available for the 300XL to enable practice > at home? > > I have a 300XL in my Maule. I got the instrument ticket with it and > flew it IFR quite a bit but using it well is always a challenge > if not > more than current. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > > * > > > *


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    Time: 11:53:28 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    At 12:37 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >My MAIN source of concern is that EVERYTHING >worked properly before I made this change; and the >ONLY thing I changed was the source of power to >the coil and fuel pump switches. > >Jay Understand. Without being able to put my hands on the problem, the most I (or anyone else) can do is hypothesize about a lot of things . . . the majority of which will be irrelevant/wrong. The laws of physics do not shift their effects to confound us. There is a specific reason why you are experiencing the problem you cited. If you've ever played the board game Clue, you'll understand that arriving at root cause is a distillation of facts first to eliminate those that do not fit into an explanation of effects and finally identify the order in which remaining facts explain the cause for symptoms you've identified. Snip off the tie wraps, check the wires, follow the path from bus to appliance with a voltmeter probe . . . nobody sez it's easy . . . but it works every time. Bob . . .


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    Time: 01:13:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    From: jaybannist@cs.com
    Bob, Thanks. I had about decided that the laws of physics HAD been repealed, or that I was losing my ever-lovin' mind !? Now that you have confirmed that those laws are still intact;? I know that my next step is to take all the wiring off those two switches.? Then I will positively identify each wire before I reinstall it on the switch.? I'll let you know if that fixes the problem. Thanks again - Jay -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 1:53 pm Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Impossible problem At 12:37 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: My MAIN source of concern is that EVERYTHING worked properly before I made this change; and the ONLY thing I changed was the source of power to the coil and fuel pump switches. Jay ??? Understand. Without being able to put my ? hands on the problem, the most I (or anyone ? else) can do is hypothesize about a lot ? of things . . . the majority of which will ? be irrelevant/wrong. ? The laws of physics do not shift their ? effects to confound us. There is a specific ? reason why you are experiencing the problem ? you cited. If you've ever played the board game ? Clue, you'll understand that arriving at root ? cause is a distillation of facts first to ? eliminate those that do not fit into an ? explanation of effects and finally identify the ? order in which remaining facts explain the ? cause for symptoms you've identified. ? Snip off the tie wraps, check the wires, follow ? the path from bus to appliance with a voltmeter ? probe . . . nobody sez it's easy . . . but it ? works every time. ? Bob . . . ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com


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    Time: 03:00:46 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Good Afternoon Bill, I did wire up a series of lights and switches so that I am able to use all GPS Approach functions in the Stearman even though I do not have a classic C DI or annunciator panel. Consequently, just playing with it at my work table does allow me to practice my approaches. I think Garmin dropped the ball when they acquiesced to one stupid FED who insisted that Garmin add the resolver and the annunciator. Fortunately for a ll of us, that FED was replaced with a more sensible inspector, but the damage was already done and we are still stuck with a deal we don't need. Such is life! Happy Skies Old Bob In a message dated 4/1/2009 1:52:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MauleDriver@nc.rr.com writes: Thanks Bob. I forgot about that feature once the box was in the plane. Given the critical role of the external annunciator panel and the interaction with my single CDI head, the things I always need to review require the whole panel. **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops =93 Starting at $399 ttp:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx)


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    Time: 06:37:23 PM PST US
    From: Paula Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Bob, I thought the 430's had an anuciator built in. So an anuciator will be required for IFR flight? Do any of the EFIS dispalys perform this function ?=0AThanks, Tim=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Bob sV35B@aol.com" <BobsV35B@aol.com>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com=0AS ent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:55:55 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 400W/420W/430W Power cable=0A=0AGood Afternoon Bill,=0A=0AI did wire up a s eries of lights and switches so that I am able to use all GPS Approach func tions in the Stearman even though I do not have a classic CDI or annunciato r panel. Consequently, just playing with it at my work table does allow me to practice my approaches.- =0A=0AI think Garmin dropped the ball when th ey acquiesced to one stupid FED who insisted that Garmin add the resolver a nd the annunciator. Fortunately for all of us, that FED was replaced with a more sensible inspector, but the damage was already done and we are still stuck with a deal we don't need. Such is life!=0A=0AHappy Skies=0A=0AOld Bo b=0A=0AIn a message dated 4/1/2009 1:52:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Maul eDriver@nc.rr.com writes:=0AThanks Bob.- I forgot about that feature once the box was in the plane. =0A=0AGiven the critical role of the external an nunciator panel and the =0Ainteraction with my single CDI head, the things I always need to review =0Arequire the whole panel.=0A=0A=0A=0A____________ ===============


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    Time: 06:43:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on Rotax /Ducati
    regulator?
    From: rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US
    Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on a Ducati regulator for Rotax 4 stroke? 13.7 or 13.8 volts is not ideal for an Odyssey battery. 14.7 is better. Has anyone done something like install a diode in series with the sense wire (C) ofthe Ducati regulator? Information and experience welcomed. Thx. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 07:04:58 PM PST US
    From: currydon@bellsouth.net
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable


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    Time: 07:04:58 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    No annunciator is needed if the 430 is mounted within 14 inches of the centerline of the six pack (that number is from memory but it's spelled out in the install manual). Bruce WWW.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paula Andres Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 400W/420W/430W Power cable Bob, I thought the 430's had an anuciator built in. So an anuciator will be required for IFR flight? Do any of the EFIS dispalys perform this function? Thanks, Tim _____ From: "BobsV35B@aol.com" <BobsV35B@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 2:55:55 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 400W/420W/430W Power cable Good Afternoon Bill, I did wire up a series of lights and switches so that I am able to use all GPS Approach functions in the Stearman even though I do not have a classic CDI or annunciator panel. Consequently, just playing with it at my work table does allow me to practice my approaches. I think Garmin dropped the ball when they acquiesced to one stupid FED who insisted that Garmin add the resolver and the annunciator. Fortunately for all of us, that FED was replaced with a more sensible inspector, but the damage was already done and we are still stuck with a deal we don't need. Such is life! Happy Skies Old Bob In a message dated 4/1/2009 1:52:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MauleDriver@nc.rr.com writes: Thanks Bob. I forgot about that feature once the box was in the plane. Given the critical role of the external annunciator panel and the interaction with my single CDI head, the things I always need to review require the whole panel. http://wwtronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 08:26:07 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Good Evening Tim, If the 400 or 500 series box is located in the pilot's primary viewing area , no annunciator is required. Not sure whether or not that applies to homebuilt aircraft. For a certificated aircraft, the dimensions are quite s pecific and are based on the pilot's eye location. I am absolutely certain that if a homebuilt location meets the certificated specifications, no annunciator is needed. Not sure about the various EFIS units, but I wouldn't be at all surprised i f they did. Does that help any? Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 4/1/2009 8:38:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tim2542@sbcglobal.net writes: Bob, I thought the 430's had an annunciator built in. So an annunciator wil l be required for IFR flight? Do any of the EFIS displays perform this function? Thanks, Tim **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops =93 Starting at $399 ttp:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx)


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    Time: 08:32:03 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Impossible problem
    At 03:08 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >Bob, > >Thanks. I had about decided that the laws of physics HAD been >repealed, or that I was losing my ever-lovin' mind ! Now that you >have confirmed that those laws are still intact; I know that my >next step is to take all the wiring off those two switches. Then I >will positively identify each wire before I reinstall it on the >switch. I'll let you know if that fixes the problem. In particular, you need to identify the "mystery" connection between pump switches and your alternator warning light behavior. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------


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    Time: 08:32:34 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Good Evening Once Again Tim, My primary gripe with the stupid FED was his insistence on having a resolve r function for the standalone GPS units. For a combo GPS/VOR like the 400 or 500 series, the resolver is a non issue. It is needed for the VOR portion. For the other early GPS only sets, we could have a thousand bucks per installation had the resolver not been required. Not only that, the set woul d have been easier to use, but that is all water over the dam now! Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 4/1/2009 8:38:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tim2542@sbcglobal.net writes: Bob, I thought the 430's had an annunciator built in. So an annunciator wil l be required for IFR flight? Do any of the EFIS displays perform this function? Thanks, Tim **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops =93 Starting at $399 ttp:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx)


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    Time: 08:32:49 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on Rotax
    /Ducati regulator? At 08:40 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >Has anyone increased setpoint voltage on a Ducati regulator for >Rotax 4 stroke? > >13.7 or 13.8 volts is not ideal for an Odyssey battery. 14.7 is better. > >Has anyone done something like install a diode in series with the >sense wire (C) of the Ducati regulator? From what we think we understand about how the Ducati regulator works, your suggestion fits. Give it a try and let us know how it works! Bob . . . ----------------------------------------) ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ----------------------------------------


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    Time: 08:43:56 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Darn! I said: "we could have a thousand bucks per installation" Meant to say: "we could have SAVED a thousand bucks per installation" Sorry 'bout that! Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 4/1/2009 10:33:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, BobsV35B@aol.com writes: we could have a thousand bucks per installation **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops =93 Starting at $399 ttp:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx)


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    Time: 08:51:37 PM PST US
    From: Paula Andres <tim2542@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: 400W/420W/430W Power cable
    Yes thanks. I thought it did but wasn't sure. =0ATim=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________ ________________________=0AFrom: "BobsV35B@aol.com" <BobsV35B@aol.com>=0ATo : aeroelectric-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 8:23:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 400W/420W/430W Power cable=0A=0AGood E vening Tim,=0A=0AIf the 400 or 500 series box is located in the pilot's pri mary viewing area, no annunciator is required. Not sure whether or not that applies to homebuilt aircraft. For a certificated aircraft, the dimensions are quite specific and are based on the pilot's eye location.- I am abso lutely certain that if a homebuilt location meets the certificated specific ations, no annunciator is needed.=0A=0ANot sure about the various EFIS unit s, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did.=0A=0ADoes that help any? =0A=0AHappy Skies=0A=0AOld Bob=0AAKA=0ABob Siegfried=0AAncient Aviator=0A62 8 West 86th Street=0ADowners Grove, IL 60516=0A630 985-8502 =0AStearman N39 77A=0ABrookeridge Air Park LL22 =0A=0AIn a message dated 4/1/2009 8:38:41 P .M. Central Daylight Time, tim2542@sbcglobal.net writes:=0ABob, I thought t he 430's had an annunciator built in. So an annunciator will be required fo r IFR flight? Do any of the EFIS displays perform this function?=0AThanks, =======================


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    Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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