AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/01/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 06:24 AM - Re: Fried EXP2BUS was EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator (Ian)
     2. 06:42 AM - Re: Fried EXP2BUS was EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator (Ian)
     3. 06:42 AM - Re: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator (Ian)
     4. 07:10 AM - Re: ECU - EFI - Dual Battery Bus - Schottky Diode ? ()
     5. 07:42 AM - Re: E-MAGS, P-MAGS, CDI QUESTION ()
     6. 11:45 AM - aeroflash strobes (bob noffs)
     7. 12:06 PM - Re: aeroflash strobes (Bruce Gray)
     8. 02:08 PM - Switch (Michael Hilderbrand)
     9. 03:31 PM - Re: aeroflash strobes (Vincent Himsl)
    10. 04:35 PM - Re: Fried EXP2BUS was EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator (Ed Anderson)
    11. 11:04 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    12. 11:11 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:24:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: EXP2BUS and non-functioning
    alternator
    From: Ian <ixb@videotron.ca>
    Yes. On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 01:03 -0400, Mike Humphrey wrote: > > Ian, > Did you install a 40amp breaker per the instructions between the alternator > and the EXP2bus? The Master breaker is only designed for 35amp on the > board. > > Mike H > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:48 PM > Subject: Fried EXP2BUS was AeroElectric-List: EXP2BUS and non-functioning > alternator > > > > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > While I do not have an EXP2bus, I did assist a fellow RVer who had one > > that > > was giving him problems. The problem was the battery would not stay > > charged, charge it up and over night it would be dead. > > > > I had no experience with the EXP2bus, but did have a voltohm meter and got > > the schematics off the internet. To make a long story short, at some > > point > > someone had blown/cooked the Exp2 on-board 40 amp (Master) relay. More on > > how I think they did it - which is my real reason for addressing your > > question. > > > > When I first pulled the board I noticed that the solder coating on some of > > the copper traces on the board had gotten hot enough to melt and run off - > > a > > sure sign of excessive current flow. I then found that the master > > on-board > > relay was missing from its socket and a heavy strip of copper bar had been > > solder across two of the relays socket pins. > > > > The addition of this jumper strip in lieu of the relay resulted in the > > battery remaining connected to the alternator B lead (and other board > > loads) > > even with the master switch off. The reason is that when the board's > > master > > switch is on all it does is ground the circuit through this relay and > > causes > > it to close (or open if switch is off). > > > > So with no relay and the jumper installed, there was no way to disconnect > > the load drain on the battery which as a consequence was drained > > overnight. > > > > I looking over the EXP2 diagram it became clear that IF the board's master > > switch was left ON AND the "B" lead of the alternator was grounded (or the > > alternator somehow shorted out) that the path of current went from battery > > through board (melting the solder from the traces), through the relay > > (frying the 40 amp relay) and on to ground through the "B" lead. Now, I > > was > > not there, so don't know if this happened, but it certainly would fry the > > board if it did. > > > > So make certain that if you work on the board or alternator to disconnect > > the battery OR at a minimum insure the Master switch is OFF. > > > > Now, I don't know if your board has a problem, but if I had and Exp2 board > > and my battery was not charging I would check the on-board relay. > > > > Ed > > > > Ed Anderson > > > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > > > Matthews, NC > > > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > > > http://www.andersonee.com > > > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:40 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator > > > > > > Actually I am supposed to have amps being measured on the alternator > > output with a shunt, for the Van's Aircraft ammeter, and with an > > induction coil for the Rocky Mountain EIS. Both agree that I'm not > > putting out amps, and the system is not charging at all. If I run on my > > Dynon EFIS I get quite a good measure of battery voltage, and it goes > > down steadily whether the engine is running or not. > > > > I guess I may be a bit premature in addressing this list since there is > > an anomaly I have to check first. The alternator warning light does not > > come on at all. Any suggestions on why this might be would be > > appreciated. It could be a simple mis-wire since I just started running > > the engine recently, and had the battery on a trickle charger constantly > > until about a week ago. Hopefully the two are symptoms of the same > > problem. > > > > Ian > > > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 10:43 -0500, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > >> > >> At 09:37 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote: > >> > > >> >Hello, > >> >I'm in the primary flight testing phase with my RV-9A. I have an > >> >EXP2BUS and a 40A alternator with an internal regulator which came from > >> >AeroSport Power in Vancouver. > >> > > >> >I've never seen the alternator charging strongly, although my test pilot > >> >thinks he saw 20A the other day. I see no amps at any engine speed. > >> > > >> >I believe I have everything connected correctly and wondered if anyone > >> >on the list had a similar experience. > >> > > >> >Any advice on what to check and in what sequence, would be appreciated. > >> > > >> >This is my first Matronics post, and hopefully my new-to-Canadian-skies > >> >RV-9A will be able to feed itself with electric power with your help. > >> > >> What's your bus voltage? Where does your instrumentation > >> read Amps? Battery? Alternator output? > >> > >> > >> Bob . . . > >> > >> ----------------------------------------) > >> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > >> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > >> ( appearance of being right . . . ) > >> ( ) > >> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:42:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: EXP2BUS and non-functioning
    alternator
    From: Ian <ixb@videotron.ca>
    Thanks Ed. I'll check for any signs of high current. I was able to check the power at the alternator and the 12V is getting to the right pin, the warning lamp lead is connected to the right place (and showing about 1V, not sure if that's what you would expect to see the other side of a 12V LED) but it "felt right". Your fellow RVer probably read the bit in the EXP2BUS about removing the on-board relay if he planned to go above 40 amps, but you have to replace it with an external relay. In the end I did install an external relay, so I jumpered the connectors on the board per the installation instructions from the EXP2BUS people. >From what you are saying, I should be able to see charging current. Do you folks normally see a high current after starting. I'm only seeing about two amps, and not sure if I should expect to see a lot more, when the partially recharged battery is at about 12.0V. Regards, Ian On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 18:48 -0400, Ed Anderson wrote: > > Hi Ian, > > While I do not have an EXP2bus, I did assist a fellow RVer who had one that > was giving him problems. The problem was the battery would not stay > charged, charge it up and over night it would be dead. > > I had no experience with the EXP2bus, but did have a voltohm meter and got > the schematics off the internet. To make a long story short, at some point > someone had blown/cooked the Exp2 on-board 40 amp (Master) relay. More on > how I think they did it - which is my real reason for addressing your > question. > > When I first pulled the board I noticed that the solder coating on some of > the copper traces on the board had gotten hot enough to melt and run off - a > sure sign of excessive current flow. I then found that the master on-board > relay was missing from its socket and a heavy strip of copper bar had been > solder across two of the relays socket pins. > > The addition of this jumper strip in lieu of the relay resulted in the > battery remaining connected to the alternator B lead (and other board loads) > even with the master switch off. The reason is that when the board's master > switch is on all it does is ground the circuit through this relay and causes > it to close (or open if switch is off). > > So with no relay and the jumper installed, there was no way to disconnect > the load drain on the battery which as a consequence was drained overnight. > > I looking over the EXP2 diagram it became clear that IF the board's master > switch was left ON AND the "B" lead of the alternator was grounded (or the > alternator somehow shorted out) that the path of current went from battery > through board (melting the solder from the traces), through the relay > (frying the 40 amp relay) and on to ground through the "B" lead. Now, I was > not there, so don't know if this happened, but it certainly would fry the > board if it did. > > So make certain that if you work on the board or alternator to disconnect > the battery OR at a minimum insure the Master switch is OFF. > > Now, I don't know if your board has a problem, but if I had and Exp2 board > and my battery was not charging I would check the on-board relay. > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:40 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator > > > Actually I am supposed to have amps being measured on the alternator > output with a shunt, for the Van's Aircraft ammeter, and with an > induction coil for the Rocky Mountain EIS. Both agree that I'm not > putting out amps, and the system is not charging at all. If I run on my > Dynon EFIS I get quite a good measure of battery voltage, and it goes > down steadily whether the engine is running or not. > > I guess I may be a bit premature in addressing this list since there is > an anomaly I have to check first. The alternator warning light does not > come on at all. Any suggestions on why this might be would be > appreciated. It could be a simple mis-wire since I just started running > the engine recently, and had the battery on a trickle charger constantly > until about a week ago. Hopefully the two are symptoms of the same > problem. > > Ian > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 10:43 -0500, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > > > At 09:37 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote: > > > > > >Hello, > > >I'm in the primary flight testing phase with my RV-9A. I have an > > >EXP2BUS and a 40A alternator with an internal regulator which came from > > >AeroSport Power in Vancouver. > > > > > >I've never seen the alternator charging strongly, although my test pilot > > >thinks he saw 20A the other day. I see no amps at any engine speed. > > > > > >I believe I have everything connected correctly and wondered if anyone > > >on the list had a similar experience. > > > > > >Any advice on what to check and in what sequence, would be appreciated. > > > > > >This is my first Matronics post, and hopefully my new-to-Canadian-skies > > >RV-9A will be able to feed itself with electric power with your help. > > > > What's your bus voltage? Where does your instrumentation > > read Amps? Battery? Alternator output? > > > > > > Bob . . . > > > > ----------------------------------------) > > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > > ( ) > > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:42:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator
    From: Ian <ixb@videotron.ca>
    Not sure if I'm messing up the list by responding to multiple responses - maybe someone could coach me on the etiquette. I see 12V on the "IG" input on the alternator (the top of the "T"), and about 1V on the lamp. I have an external master relay, and the EXP2BUS relay has been removed and replaced with a jumper. So I think the alternator is being asked to work. Ian On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 13:44 -0500, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > >Actually I am supposed to have amps being measured on the alternator > >output with a shunt, for the Van's Aircraft ammeter, and with an > >induction coil for the Rocky Mountain EIS. Both agree that I'm not > >putting out amps, and the system is not charging at all. If I run on my > >Dynon EFIS I get quite a good measure of battery voltage, and it goes > >down steadily whether the engine is running or not. > > Okay, next step is to see if the alternator is even being > asked to go to work. Under conditions that you would expect > the alternator to be working, check for command voltage > at the alternator's control connector. > > >I guess I may be a bit premature in addressing this list since there is > >an anomaly I have to check first. The alternator warning light does not > >come on at all. > > If the alternator is not being commanded ON, it may > well consider operations to be "normal" and not > illuminate a light. > > > > Bob . . . > > ----------------------------------------) > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:10:57 AM PST US
    Subject: ECU - EFI - Dual Battery Bus - Schottky Diode ?
    From: <longg@pjm.com>
    Mike, It sounds like you are working with some kind of conversion but don't ignore dual alternators as a solution. Jeg's and other provide automotive solutions for dual alts. In many ways it's easier to hook up two alternators than dual diodes, batteries, switches, cables etc. and provides redundancy that doesn't need charging and constant monitoring. E.g. ala Z/13-8 or 20. In my experience, alternators either work or they're broken. If the EC3 is worth its salt, it will survive a voltage loss down to a certain value, say 5 volts (ala Lightspeed). Having the second alternator will help ensure it never gets there. If they die by not having 11-12 volts all the time, I'd buy another product. If you turn everything else off, staying alive down to 5 volts gives one ample time to find a landing spot. Glenn From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike West Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: ECU - EFI - Dual Battery Bus - Schottky Diode ? Thank you all very much for your responses. Bob, I have your book (which I like very much) ... Where do you reckon I got the dual diode idea anyway ? To my knowledge, there are 3 things to provide power to for electronic engine control: ECU (black box controller), fuel injectors & ignition coils. The ECU is shown in the Aeroelectric diagrams ... but not the injectors or coils. The ECU I have is made by Real World Solutions (EC3-AA) and controls the ground side of the injectors and coils. I'm assuming they use some type of transistors/switches to turn on/off the injectors & coils. Whatever power I provide to the ECU is not used by the injectors & coils but rather for operating the internal switches in the ECU (that pulse on/off injectors & coils). My first concern is that I have adequate voltage for the fuel injectors and the ignition coils. If the alternator dies and the batteries are at 12V then I would have ~11.5V to operate the injectors and coils (0.5V lost across Schottky diodes). Also ... should I power the ECU at exactly the same voltage I provide to the injectors and coils? Is the ECU smart enough to recognize the voltage supplied to it and perhaps fire the injectors and coils differently based on the voltage it sees? What if my ECU was powered at 12V (thru a switch) and my injectors & coils were powered at 11.5V (thru diodes)? That is a question I will send to Real World Solutions / Rotary Aviation and post. Yeah ... I know what you're thinkin ... we answer one question for this guy now he'll never leave us alone ! Thanks again :-) -Mike ________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail(r): Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out. <http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscov e r_Updates2_042009>


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    Time: 07:42:46 AM PST US
    Subject: E-MAGS, P-MAGS, CDI QUESTION
    From: <longg@pjm.com>
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    Time: 11:45:46 AM PST US
    Subject: aeroflash strobes
    From: bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com>
    hi all, i am ready to wire my aeroflash wingtip strobes. the strobe cable i received does not have the shielding connected to any of the insulated wires. the black wire is my ground wire. do i connect the shield to the black ground wire? at which end, or both ends? any input is appreciated. bob noffs


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    Time: 12:06:35 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: aeroflash strobes
    Unless otherwise directed in the install instructions, only ground one end of the shield. I would in this case ground at the power supply. Bruce WWW.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: aeroflash strobes hi all, i am ready to wire my aeroflash wingtip strobes. the strobe cable i received does not have the shielding connected to any of the insulated wires. the black wire is my ground wire. do i connect the shield to the black ground wire? at which end, or both ends? any input is appreciated. bob noffs


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    Time: 02:08:12 PM PST US
    From: Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Switch
    Hi everyone, =0A=0AI bought a handful of 1-2 switches for various items i.e ., landing lights, strobes, left & right mag, etc.- My question is can I use the same-switch for the master-and alternator?-Looks like sometim es people are using the 2-3-and only having one switch - being multifunct ional.-Since I now have a small surplus of 1-2 switches, I thought I migh t just use them instead. This will be on the Jab 3300 engine. As you can te ll I am ignorant to this area... but I am trying to learn! Thanks!--=0A -Michael Hilderbrand=0ADerby, Kansas=0AHttp://www.kansasflying.com


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    Time: 03:31:00 PM PST US
    From: Vincent Himsl <vshimsl@live.com>
    Subject: aeroflash strobes
    I mounted the X-PAK power supply just aft of the rear storage compartment i n my RV-8 and grounded the shield to the case at this point. I left the oth er end open (not connected). No noise From my radio=2C Dynon D-180=2C or AVMAP GPS at this time. Vince H. Pullman=2C WA USA RV8 Final Inspection Prep Subject: AeroElectric-List: aeroflash strobes From: icubob@gmail.com hi all=2C i am ready to wire my aeroflash wingtip strobes. the strobe cable i received does not have the shielding connected to any of the insulated w ires. the black wire is my ground wire. do i connect the shield to the blac k ground wire? at which end=2C or both ends? any input is appreciated. bob noffs _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tuto rial_Storage1_052009


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    Time: 04:35:57 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: EXP2BUS and non-functioning
    alternator Ok Ian, Yes, you can remove and jump the relay positions provided you are using the jumper provided by the EXP2 manufacture for that purpose. Jumping it with a wire (as in the case I mentioned) simply will not work. I believe the proper jumper has a diode in the circuit to prevent the battery from draining back through the generator. Good luck, that's all I can offer. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Fried EXP2BUS was AeroElectric-List: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator Thanks Ed. I'll check for any signs of high current. I was able to check the power at the alternator and the 12V is getting to the right pin, the warning lamp lead is connected to the right place (and showing about 1V, not sure if that's what you would expect to see the other side of a 12V LED) but it "felt right". Your fellow RVer probably read the bit in the EXP2BUS about removing the on-board relay if he planned to go above 40 amps, but you have to replace it with an external relay. In the end I did install an external relay, so I jumpered the connectors on the board per the installation instructions from the EXP2BUS people. >From what you are saying, I should be able to see charging current. Do you folks normally see a high current after starting. I'm only seeing about two amps, and not sure if I should expect to see a lot more, when the partially recharged battery is at about 12.0V. Regards, Ian On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 18:48 -0400, Ed Anderson wrote: <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > > Hi Ian, > > While I do not have an EXP2bus, I did assist a fellow RVer who had one that > was giving him problems. The problem was the battery would not stay > charged, charge it up and over night it would be dead. > > I had no experience with the EXP2bus, but did have a voltohm meter and got > the schematics off the internet. To make a long story short, at some point > someone had blown/cooked the Exp2 on-board 40 amp (Master) relay. More on > how I think they did it - which is my real reason for addressing your > question. > > When I first pulled the board I noticed that the solder coating on some of > the copper traces on the board had gotten hot enough to melt and run off - a > sure sign of excessive current flow. I then found that the master on-board > relay was missing from its socket and a heavy strip of copper bar had been > solder across two of the relays socket pins. > > The addition of this jumper strip in lieu of the relay resulted in the > battery remaining connected to the alternator B lead (and other board loads) > even with the master switch off. The reason is that when the board's master > switch is on all it does is ground the circuit through this relay and causes > it to close (or open if switch is off). > > So with no relay and the jumper installed, there was no way to disconnect > the load drain on the battery which as a consequence was drained overnight. > > I looking over the EXP2 diagram it became clear that IF the board's master > switch was left ON AND the "B" lead of the alternator was grounded (or the > alternator somehow shorted out) that the path of current went from battery > through board (melting the solder from the traces), through the relay > (frying the 40 amp relay) and on to ground through the "B" lead. Now, I was > not there, so don't know if this happened, but it certainly would fry the > board if it did. > > So make certain that if you work on the board or alternator to disconnect > the battery OR at a minimum insure the Master switch is OFF. > > Now, I don't know if your board has a problem, but if I had and Exp2 board > and my battery was not charging I would check the on-board relay. > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:40 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EXP2BUS and non-functioning alternator > > > Actually I am supposed to have amps being measured on the alternator > output with a shunt, for the Van's Aircraft ammeter, and with an > induction coil for the Rocky Mountain EIS. Both agree that I'm not > putting out amps, and the system is not charging at all. If I run on my > Dynon EFIS I get quite a good measure of battery voltage, and it goes > down steadily whether the engine is running or not. > > I guess I may be a bit premature in addressing this list since there is > an anomaly I have to check first. The alternator warning light does not > come on at all. Any suggestions on why this might be would be > appreciated. It could be a simple mis-wire since I just started running > the engine recently, and had the battery on a trickle charger constantly > until about a week ago. Hopefully the two are symptoms of the same > problem. > > Ian > > On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 10:43 -0500, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > > > At 09:37 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote: > > > > > >Hello, > > >I'm in the primary flight testing phase with my RV-9A. I have an > > >EXP2BUS and a 40A alternator with an internal regulator which came from > > >AeroSport Power in Vancouver. > > > > > >I've never seen the alternator charging strongly, although my test pilot > > >thinks he saw 20A the other day. I see no amps at any engine speed. > > > > > >I believe I have everything connected correctly and wondered if anyone > > >on the list had a similar experience. > > > > > >Any advice on what to check and in what sequence, would be appreciated. > > > > > >This is my first Matronics post, and hopefully my new-to-Canadian-skies > > >RV-9A will be able to feed itself with electric power with your help. > > > > What's your bus voltage? Where does your instrumentation > > read Amps? Battery? Alternator output? > > > > > > Bob . . . > > > > ----------------------------------------) > > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > > ( ) > > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.


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Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. 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    Dear Listers, Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. AeroElectric-List Policy Statement The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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