AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Wed 06/17/09


Total Messages Posted: 35



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     1. 12:27 AM - Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? (JOHN TIPTON)
     2. 03:38 AM - Nav Comm Antenna (rer51)
     3. 03:43 AM - Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? (Robert Borger)
     4. 05:13 AM - Re: Tyco Breakers (Ken Howell)
     5. 05:13 AM - Re: Unique aviation video . . . (Harley)
     6. 05:29 AM - Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? (Bob White)
     7. 06:23 AM - Re: Tyco Breakers (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     8. 06:24 AM - Re: Nav Comm Antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     9. 09:08 AM - Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3 (JakeTheBosun)
    10. 09:32 AM - Re: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3 (Bruce Gray)
    11. 09:50 AM - Re: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3 (JakeTheBosun)
    12. 12:17 PM - FW: Inspection camera (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
    13. 12:29 PM - Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    14. 12:41 PM - Re: noisy tach signal (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    15. 12:43 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Tim Olson)
    16. 01:12 PM - Re: Tyco Breakers ()
    17. 01:54 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Carlos Trigo)
    18. 02:08 PM - FW: Inspection camera (Carlos Trigo)
    19. 02:13 PM - Re: noisy tach signal (Chris Hand)
    20. 02:54 PM - Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? (Thruster87)
    21. 02:58 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (David LLoyd)
    22. 03:01 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Greg Young)
    23. 03:01 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Roger)
    24. 03:11 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Richard Tasker)
    25. 03:15 PM - Re: New from Harbor Freight (Don Curry)
    26. 03:22 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Harley)
    27. 03:30 PM - Re: New from Harbor Freight (Harley)
    28. 03:52 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Carlos Trigo)
    29. 04:13 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Roger)
    30. 04:41 PM - Re: New from Harbor Freight (Jim Streit)
    31. 07:13 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Richard E. Tasker)
    32. 08:15 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Dj Merrill)
    33. 08:18 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (BobsV35B@aol.com)
    34. 08:57 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Richard E. Tasker)
    35. 11:39 PM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (David LLoyd)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:27:51 AM PST US
    From: "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton@btopenworld.com>
    Subject: Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching
    etc?? http://www.steinair.com/wire.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thruster87" <alania@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching etc?? > <alania@optusnet.com.au> > > Noticed on a Icom 210A rear plug that they used different color wires of > approx 24 or 26 awg. Does anyone have a part number or the place to get > this type of wire as Aircraft spruce only has limited colors.Cheers > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248644#248644 > > >


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    Time: 03:38:26 AM PST US
    From: "rer51" <rer51@netscape.ca>
    Subject: Nav Comm Antenna
    I searched the archives but to no success. How far should belly mounted Comm and VOR antennas be spaced apart? Randy R.


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    Time: 03:43:20 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching
    etc?? B & C Specialty Products - http://www.bandc.biz/index.asp Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:49, Thruster87 wrote: > > > > Noticed on a Icom 210A rear plug that they used different color > wires of approx 24 or 26 awg. Does anyone have a part number or the > place to get this type of wire as Aircraft spruce only has limited > colors.Cheers > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248644#248644 > >


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    Time: 05:13:33 AM PST US
    From: "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840@comcast.net>
    Subject: Tyco Breakers
    It appears that they are referring to the primary and secondary windings of the transformer, and not in the sense of a "backup". In a nutshell, here's the way I interpret the Tyco spec: You can use our circuit breakers to protect a circuit, but you must also use another circuit breaker or fuse to protect the same circuit. Does that make sense? Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers At 12:08 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Tyco Rocker type switch/breaker? They are specified in the Digi-Key PTM as "secondary breakers", which must be backed up by a branch circuit breaker or fuse http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/tod/TycoElectronicsPB/CircuitBreakers_NoAud io/ CircuitBreakers_NoAudio.html . This would seem to defeat the purpose of having the breaker in the first place. What am I missing? Beats me. This is the first time I've seen that terminology used in describing the application of circuit protection. Did some searching and found this tid-bit . . . Emacs! This was excerpted from a book on wiring design for large AC power distribution systems. I don't think this applies to our 14/28V DC systems in light aircraft. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 05:13:33 AM PST US
    From: Harley <harley@AgelessWings.com>
    Subject: Re: Unique aviation video . . .
    Saw a longer story about high tension wire repairs some time ago on one of the cable/satellite channels...Discovery maybe? Went into details on all the tools and equipment needed and why. Was very interesting! And entertaining! And, like the guy in this video...I'm afraid of the same three things he is...heights (and I too fly), electricity (and I too built a career around it) and women (but unlike him, I'm no longer married! <G>) Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > See: > > * http://tinyurl.com/3x76dd* > > Bob . . .** >


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    Time: 05:29:26 AM PST US
    From: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
    Subject: Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching
    etc?? Interesting replies to your post. Checking the web sites, B&C has one color of 24 awg, Stein has none, and Aircraft Spruce has 6 listed. :) Those are all fine companies, but I would suggest that you use 22 awg wire for the extension you are building or whatever. It's easier to work with, won't weigh significantly more, and more readily available in different colors. Bob W. On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:49:40 -0700 "Thruster87" <alania@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Noticed on a Icom 210A rear plug that they used different color wires of approx 24 or 26 awg. Does anyone have a part number or the place to get this type of wire as Aircraft spruce only has limited colors.Cheers > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248644#248644 > > > > > > > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/


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    Time: 06:23:46 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Tyco Breakers
    At 07:11 AM 6/17/2009, you wrote: >It appears that they are referring to the primary and secondary >windings of the transformer, and not in the sense of a "backup". > >In a nutshell, here's the way I interpret the Tyco spec: You can use >our circuit breakers to protect a circuit, but you must also use >another circuit breaker or fuse to protect the same circuit. Does >that make sense? Not in a small footprint DC power distribution system typical of a vehicle. You can use these breakers like any other breaker in crafting your project. The primary/secondary thing is unique to AC systems where transformers are used for changing voltage levels or offering isolation between sides of a system. Clearly we don't do this in little airplanes. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 06:24:34 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Nav Comm Antenna
    At 05:36 AM 6/17/2009, you wrote: >I searched the archives but to no success. How far should belly >mounted Comm and VOR antennas be spaced apart? Randy R. As far as practical without getting silly. What kind of VOR antenna do you have that mounts on the belly? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 09:08:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3
    From: "JakeTheBosun" <george@yukonflying.com>
    Thanks so far to those with advice! It was frustrating to watch the engine gauges overheat and melt while watching 14.2 Volts show on multimeter at gauge. Right now, I turn master on and all gauges light up, but after I start some gauges drop off and fail to power up unless I cycle the Master. Is this from low voltage do you suppose? -I plan to replace all damaged gauges (Volt, Oil Temp, Manifold) -I will replace alternator (currently a Nippon Denso internally regulated with standard pulley) despite it testing OK. -Should I add over-voltage separately? -Should I switch instrument power to eliminate them being on line during start? Thanks for ideas...Jake -------- Jake Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248712#248712


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    Time: 09:32:05 AM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
    Subject: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3
    I think you're looking in the wrong place. You're drawing to many amps through the instruments. Hook up an ammeter to the instrument ground and measure the draw when you start the engine and while running. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JakeTheBosun Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3 <george@yukonflying.com> Thanks so far to those with advice! It was frustrating to watch the engine gauges overheat and melt while watching 14.2 Volts show on multimeter at gauge. Right now, I turn master on and all gauges light up, but after I start some gauges drop off and fail to power up unless I cycle the Master. Is this from low voltage do you suppose? -I plan to replace all damaged gauges (Volt, Oil Temp, Manifold) -I will replace alternator (currently a Nippon Denso internally regulated with standard pulley) despite it testing OK. -Should I add over-voltage separately? -Should I switch instrument power to eliminate them being on line during start? Thanks for ideas...Jake -------- Jake Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248712#248712


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    Time: 09:50:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Burning Vans Engine Gauges - Part 3
    From: "JakeTheBosun" <george@yukonflying.com>
    Thanks Bruce...(will do this tomorrow - child-minding today). I have a trend ammeter beside voltmeter....it shows nothing alarming but it might not reflect instrument situation. The instruments are fused at 3 amps...but that is at the buss and I think you are suggesting something different is happening. -------- Jake Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248718#248718


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    Time: 12:17:28 PM PST US
    From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: FW: Inspection camera
    Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger


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    Time: 12:29:58 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching
    etc?? At 01:49 AM 6/17/2009, you wrote: > >Noticed on a Icom 210A rear plug that they used different color >wires of approx 24 or 26 awg. Does anyone have a part number or the >place to get this type of wire as Aircraft spruce only has limited >colors.Cheers Some years ago I did a data package for wiring the A200. I just looked up the installation info for the A210 and it appears that Icom for all their technical skills have learned little about airplanes . . . the installation manuals leave a lot to be desired. Here's my impression of the A210. It appears they've added a 15 pin D-sub connector that parallels connections in the 30-pin Molex connector. The connector can be used in simple installations like a line truck or FBO base station. As near as I can tell, all other wiring on the Molex connector for the A210 are the same as for the A200. I've updated the drawings I did for the A200 and published at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/Icom_A200-210_Wiring_D.pdf I think you'll find these more helpful than the factory installation manual. I'll further suggest you use all white, 22AWG wire for connecting this radio. The thing is very simple and taking time to purchase a few feet of colored wire is not a good return on investment. Use masking tape tags on the free ends of wires to tell you where that end goes when the installation is complete. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 12:41:17 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: noisy tach signal
    At 01:41 AM 6/17/2009, you wrote: > >I have been unable to solve this problem so far and am considering a >different tach sensor or even buying / installing a stand-alone tach >as I'm getting frustrated in trying to get the IK-2000 engine >monitor tach to work with the factory recommended sensor. If anyone >has any suggestions on what I'm missing in making this work, any >input is appreciated. > >Here's where I'm at right now: > >1. I cut the Hall effect sensor factory harness as short as I could >for installing connectors and used a 3-wire shielded cable from >there to aft of the firewall to connect the Hall effect sensor >power, signal, and ground wires. I soldered a short ground wire to >the shield at the sensor end of the cable and grounded it via ring >terminal at the same mag location that I grounded the p-lead >shield. No improvement - in fact, probably worse than without the >shielded cable. <snip> Clearly your hall sensor is responding to "ringing" in the magnetic circuit associated with the points- opening event of the magneto. Have you used a 'scope to see what's showing up on the tach signal when the magneto is operating? The tach signal is quite low in frequency so some form of low-pass filter and/or other signal conditioning is indicated. Unfortunately, the expected signal from a hard switching hall effect sensor is already full of high frequency components (cause it's square). Rolling this off to get rid of the ringing spikes will probably require re-squaring the signal after low-pass to get tach input happy. In the past, I've use phase locked loops to grab the desired suite of low frequency components that basically ignores the spikes. What is the sensor brand and part number? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 12:43:33 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    I picked up one today too for $99. Haven't tried it out yet. It looks like the camera may just fit inside the larger spark plug holes...has anyone verified this? Also, if anyone hears of the smaller camera for sure working with this model, and finds a great price on it, I'd consider buying one as well. Right now I have no use for the whole darn thing, but I have a really hard time passing up on cool tool that you may find very helpful some day. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > > > Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! > > > > Roger >


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    Time: 01:12:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Tyco Breakers
    From: <longg@pjm.com>
    Ken, My street interpretation would be if I have to pay $20.00 for a spotter/tyco switch breaker which isn't really a breaker (it just says so) and $20.00 for tyco pull breaker, guess which one I would buy? J Glenn Do Not Archive From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howell Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers It appears that they are referring to the primary and secondary windings of the transformer, and not in the sense of a "backup". In a nutshell, here's the way I interpret the Tyco spec: You can use our circuit breakers to protect a circuit, but you must also use another circuit breaker or fuse to protect the same circuit. Does that make sense? Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers At 12:08 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Tyco Rocker type switch/breaker? They are specified in the Digi-Key PTM as "secondary breakers", which must be backed up by a branch circuit breaker or fuse http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/tod/TycoElectronicsPB/CircuitBreakers_NoAu dio/CircuitBreakers_NoAudio.html . This would seem to defeat the purpose of having the breaker in the first place. What am I missing? Beats me. This is the first time I've seen that terminology used in describing the application of circuit protection. Did some searching and found this tid-bit . . . This was excerpted from a book on wiring design for large AC power distribution systems. I don't think this applies to our 14/28V DC systems in light aircraft. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 01:54:35 PM PST US
    From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
    Subject: FW: Inspection camera
    Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Carlos _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: quarta-feira, 17 de Junho de 2009 17:53 Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger


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    Time: 02:08:01 PM PST US
    From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
    Subject: Inspection camera
    Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: quarta-feira, 17 de Junho de 2009 17:53 Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger


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    Time: 02:13:43 PM PST US
    From: "Chris Hand" <chris_hand@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: noisy tach signal
    Thanks Bob. I don't have access to an o-scope so haven't been able to look at the signal. The only filtering I've tried is the simple wiring of a 0.1 uF cap from signal lead to ground. My other efforts at solving the problem have been trying various wiring routing changes and then changing the sensor leads to shielded cable. The sensor is a Westach Model 720-14R Hall effect sensor that screws into the Slick mag vent hole over the rotating magnets. Westach has been very responsive in trying to help solve the issue but no luck so far. They are going to send me a sensor that is driven off the mechanical drive (model 303DH2T) and I'll see if that works better, but they tell me the setup I have has worked for many others and I'm not sure what in my setup could be causing the problem. I haven't heard back from IK-Tech yet. Chris > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > <snip> > > Clearly your hall sensor is responding to "ringing" > in the magnetic circuit associated with the points- > opening event of the magneto. Have you used a 'scope > to see what's showing up on the tach signal when > the magneto is operating? The tach signal is quite > low in frequency so some form of low-pass filter > and/or other signal conditioning is indicated. > Unfortunately, the expected signal from a hard > switching hall effect sensor is already full of > high frequency components (cause it's square). > Rolling this off to get rid of the ringing spikes > will probably require re-squaring the signal after > low-pass to get tach input happy. > > In the past, I've use phase locked loops to grab > the desired suite of low frequency components that > basically ignores the spikes. What is the sensor > brand and part number? > > > Bob . . .


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    Time: 02:54:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What size hook up wire for the radio/Ptt switching
    etc??
    From: "Thruster87" <alania@optusnet.com.au>
    Isn't the net wonderful, this is why I really enjoy these forums. Thank you again for all your responses. Cheers Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248790#248790


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    Time: 02:58:31 PM PST US
    From: "David LLoyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    Roger, It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include the "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get the ad can take your scanned copy, with current date, and hustle down to HF and purchase one. I do not know if all HF outlets carry the same sales. But, they would probably honor a sale print out. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGER & JEAN CURTIS To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger


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    Time: 03:01:05 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Subject: FW: Inspection camera
    It's battery powered. Older boroscopes needed to be plugged in to drive their hi intensity lights. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Trigo Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Carlos


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    Time: 03:01:06 PM PST US
    From: "Roger" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Inspection camera
    Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos This is an excerpt from a previous posting by Harley: The monitor/display is in color, has adjustable brightness (in > addition to the LED light source brightness adjustments), contrast and > orientation (rotates the image in four steps) and can be removed > easily from the handle and remoted as it uses a wireless connection to > the camera. It also has a video output. It's cable has a standard > RCA connector on the end so you can input it to any device that will > accept a composite video input for recording or viewing on a larger > screen. Roger


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    Time: 03:11:20 PM PST US
    From: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: Inspection camera
    The extended tube is to get the camera located on the end of the tube where it is you want to see something - inside a cylinder or other semi-remote / inaccessible place. The "wireless" refers to the fact that you don't need an AC extension cord for power. Additionally, the "wireless" refers to the fact that the LCD monitor can be separated from the camera assembly so you can place the monitor somewhere it can be conveniently viewed while manipulating the camera probe. Pretty cool for $99! Dick Carlos Trig wrote: > > Can somebody please explain why is it advertised Wireless Inspection > Camera and it comes with 3 ft flexible extended tube ? > > Is the wireless referring to the (battery) power only? > > Carlos >


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    Time: 03:15:35 PM PST US
    From: "Don Curry" <don.curry@inbox.com>
    Subject: New from Harbor Freight
    Harley said: "The first thing I noticed was that it was very well packaged in a semi-rigid plastic container. I'll use that to store it in." I got my HF sale paper today and hurried down to the store to pick up one of these little gems. When I got there, I was surprised to see the thing in a foam-filled cardboard box. No plastic container. What are other folks finding: plastic containers or cardboard boxes? Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: New from Harbor Freight I received a flyer from Harbor Freight yesterday, and one of the items in it was a new "borescope" that was priced down from $139 (on their website) to $99.99 in the local stores. So, knowing that I would need one soon to exam the inside of my fuel tanks when I get the holes for the fuel filler assembly cut (and who knows what other little holes I'd have to inspect), I went down and bought it. I bought it...it was much better than I expected, and a lot more solid than other Harbor Freight items I bought in the past. The first thing I noticed was that it was very well packaged in a semi-rigid plastic container. I'll use that to store it in. I think it has a lot of neat features (in addition to the price), so I thought I'd pass it on to you people in case you are looking for a tool to examine those hard to view places as well. The camera/light source head is 5/8 inch in diameter...the flexible shaft is 3 feet long. The camera, flex shaft and mounting head on the handle are attached with o-rings and are claimed to be water proof. The whole thing (including the monitor) has a nice solid feel to it and appears to be pretty rugged. Not the usual thin plastic like the Chinese stuff often is. The length of the camera head before it starts to be bendable may be a problem for some applications though, as even though the camera and it's fitting itself is only a little less than 3 inches in length, it needs 4-1/2 inches of clearance straight in to get a full bend in the flexible shaft. An application like this would be a good place to use the 45 degree mirror attachment that comes with it that I mention below. The monitor/display is in color, has adjustable brightness (in addition to the LED light source brightness adjustments), contrast and orientation (rotates the image in four steps) and can be removed easily from the handle and remoted as it uses a wireless connection to the camera. It also has a video output. It's cable has a standard RCA connector on the end so you can input it to any device that will accept a composite video input for recording or viewing on a larger screen. The camera and LEDs runs on 4 AA batteries in the handle, and the monitor has a rechargeable lithium ion battery. It comes with the charger as well. It has three attachments that fit over the camera head ...a mirror, a magnet and a pick. So you can hunt down and move or pick up things you find in those deep dark holes. It uses super bright LEDs for the camera's light source, and the light level is adjustable through a trigger on the handle. The camera does pretty good in low light as well...I was viewing items in my house this morning without using the LEDs. You can see it online here: www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search And the manual is here: www.harborfreight.com/manuals/66000-66999/66550.pdf Harley Dixon Long EZ N28EZ Canandaigua, NY


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    Time: 03:22:15 PM PST US
    From: Harley <harley@AgelessWings.com>
    Subject: Re: Inspection camera
    Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection > Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? > > Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? > > > > Carlos > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *ROGER & JEAN CURTIS > *Sent:* quarta-feira, 17 de Junho de 2009 17:53 > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera > > > > > > Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See > attachment! > > > > Roger > > * > *


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    Time: 03:30:25 PM PST US
    From: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
    Subject: Re: New from Harbor Freight
    As I said, Don...the foam is semi-ridgid (oops, I mean rigid <G>)...Makes a great permanent storage box for it. It isn't a blown plastic container like some tools have, with a latching lid, but it is thick walled, and protective enough to store it in. Originally, I was going to say "foam" but I didn't want anyone to think that it was that fragile styrofoam that is often used to pack around elctronics. The foam that the camera is packed with has a waxy feel to it...very sturdy. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don Curry wrote: > > Harley said: "The first thing I noticed was that it was very well > packaged in a semi-rigid plastic container. I'll use that to store it in." > > > > I got my HF sale paper today and hurried down to the store to pick up > one of these little gems. When I got there, I was surprised to see > the thing in a foam-filled cardboard box. No plastic container. What > are other folks finding: plastic containers or cardboard boxes? > > Don > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Harley > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:32 PM > *To:* undisclosed-recipients: > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: New from Harbor Freight > > > > I received a flyer from Harbor Freight yesterday, and one of the items > in it was a new "borescope" that was priced down from $139 (on their > website) to $99.99 in the local stores. > > So, knowing that I would need one soon to exam the inside of my fuel > tanks when I get the holes for the fuel filler assembly cut (and who > knows what other little holes I'd have to inspect), I went down and > bought it. > > I bought it...it was much better than I expected, and a lot more solid > than other Harbor Freight items I bought in the past. The first thing > I noticed was that it was very well packaged in a semi-rigid plastic > container. I'll use that to store it in. > > I think it has a lot of neat features (in addition to the price), so I > thought I'd pass it on to you people in case you are looking for a > tool to examine those hard to view places as well. > > The camera/light source head is 5/8 inch in diameter...the flexible > shaft is 3 feet long. The camera, flex shaft and mounting head on the > handle are attached with o-rings and are claimed to be water proof. > The whole thing (including the monitor) has a nice solid feel to it > and appears to be pretty rugged. Not the usual thin plastic like the > Chinese stuff often is. > > The length of the camera head before it starts to be bendable may be a > problem for some applications though, as even though the camera and > it's fitting itself is only a little less than 3 inches in length, it > needs 4-1/2 inches of clearance straight in to get a full bend in the > flexible shaft. An application like this would be a good place to use > the 45 degree mirror attachment that comes with it that I mention below. > > The monitor/display is in color, has adjustable brightness (in > addition to the LED light source brightness adjustments), contrast and > orientation (rotates the image in four steps) and can be removed > easily from the handle and remoted as it uses a wireless connection to > the camera. It also has a video output. It's cable has a standard > RCA connector on the end so you can input it to any device that will > accept a composite video input for recording or viewing on a larger > screen. > > The camera and LEDs runs on 4 AA batteries in the handle, and the > monitor has a rechargeable lithium ion battery. It comes with the > charger as well. It has three attachments that fit over the camera > head ...a mirror, a magnet and a pick. So you can hunt down and move > or pick up things you find in those deep dark holes. > > It uses super bright LEDs for the camera's light source, and the light > level is adjustable through a trigger on the handle. The camera does > pretty good in low light as well...I was viewing items in my house > this morning without using the LEDs. > > You can see it online here: > www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search > <http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search> > > And the manual is here: > www.harborfreight.com/manuals/66000-66999/66550.pdf > <http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals/66000-66999/66550.pdf> > > Harley Dixon > Long EZ N28EZ > Canandaigua, NY > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > *


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    Time: 03:52:35 PM PST US
    From: "Carlos Trigo" <trigo@mail.telepac.pt>
    Subject: Inspection camera
    Harley Thanks for the complete explanation. It really looks cool. and not expensive I wish there were Harbour Freight shops in Europe. Carlos _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley Sent: quarta-feira, 17 de Junho de 2009 23:21 Subject: Re: FW: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley _____ Carlos Trigo wrote: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos


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    Time: 04:13:35 PM PST US
    From: "Roger" <mrspudandcompany@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    David, There is no "sale end date" listed on the page where this ad appears. This is a widely published flyer which is most likely known by all retail stores. Just print the scanned ad. They will accept it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: David LLoyd To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Roger, It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include the "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get the ad can take your scanned copy, with current date, and hustle down to HF and purchase one. I do not know if all HF outlets carry the same sales. But, they would probably honor a sale print out. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGER & JEAN CURTIS To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger


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    Time: 04:41:35 PM PST US
    From: Jim Streit <wooody04@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: New from Harbor Freight
    FWIW I saw Harleys post yesterday and went to my local Harbor Freight Store (Margate FL) Iwent up to the counter and asked for the $99 wireless inspection camera item #66550. The clerk got 1 off the shelf, rang it up at $99.95+tax and I was out the door. No coupon or anything. And yes, it works great..... Don Curry wrote: > > Harley, > > Could you cut/paste the coupon (if it was a coupon sale) or the > flier? I searched my HF emails and couldn't find the item, but if I > had a coupon/flier, the local store would honor it. Thanks, Don > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Harley > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:14 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: New from Harbor Freight > > > > > Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > At 01:03 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: > > I mentioned the price difference in the last email. > > It was $99.99 in the store...$139 on the website...note at the bottom > of the listing on the website, it says: "Prices on our website may or > may not be current prices in our stores" > > > A gentleman at the local HF store explained that > their merchandising is handled through three > somewhat exclusive channels. The catalog sales, > website sales and storefront sales are different > pipes and may have differences in prices and > products offered. > > On occasion, I've been to the local store with > a catalog in hand where > > Harley > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 3D Earth Screensaver Preview <http://www.inbox.com/earth> > *Free 3D Earth Screensaver* > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at > www.inbox.com/earth <http://www.inbox.com/earth> > * > > *


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    Time: 07:13:03 PM PST US
    From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    This is not a coupon that you have to have to get the price. It is just an entry in the flyer. Just go to the store and ask for it. I would assume that all stores have the same price on this item. Unfortunately, you do have to go to a store to get one - no web discount. :-( Dick Tasker David LLoyd wrote: > Roger, > It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include the > "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get the ad can > take your scanned copy, with current date, and hustle down to HF and > purchase one. I do not know if all HF outlets carry the same sales. > But, they would probably honor a sale print out. > David > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. --


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    Time: 08:15:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    On 6/17/2009 10:10 PM, Richard E. Tasker wrote: > you do have to go to a store to get one - no web discount. :-( And no store near me... :-( -Dj


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    Time: 08:18:38 PM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    It uses batteries. Ergo --- no power cord! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 6/17/2009 3:57:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, trigo@mail.telepac.pt writes: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised =9CWireless Inspec tion Camera=9D and it comes with =9C3 ft flexible extended tube =9D ? Carlos **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! =http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692145%3B38015538%3Bh)


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    Time: 08:57:35 PM PST US
    From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    I suppose, depending on one's definition of "near", there are stores near me - but the closest is at least an hours drive. :-( With the price of gas today, I might as well buy online and pay the extra $40. Well, probably not quite, but including time, gas, etc.... Dick Dj Merrill wrote: > > On 6/17/2009 10:10 PM, Richard E. Tasker wrote: > >> you do have to go to a store to get one - no web discount. :-( >> > > And no store near me... :-( > > -Dj -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. We do concede, however, that a significant number of electrons may have been temporarily inconvenienced. --


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    Time: 11:39:44 PM PST US
    From: "David LLoyd" <skywagon@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Inspection camera
    Thanks,,,,, ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera David, There is no "sale end date" listed on the page where this ad appears. This is a widely published flyer which is most likely known by all retail stores. Just print the scanned ad. They will accept it. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: David LLoyd To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Roger, It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include the "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get the ad can take your scanned copy, with current date, and hustle down to HF and purchase one. I do not know if all HF outlets carry the same sales. But, they would probably honor a sale print out. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ----- Original Message ----- From: ROGER & JEAN CURTIS To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July 6. See attachment! Roger




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