---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/18/09: 55 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (John Ciolino) 2. 04:45 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Harley) 3. 04:58 AM - Re: Tyco Breakers (kuffel@cyberport.net) 4. 05:00 AM - Re: noisy tach signal (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 05:18 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (Roger) 6. 05:23 AM - Inspection camera (Harley) 7. 07:20 AM - Re: Tyco Breakers (Ken Howell) 8. 08:02 AM - Homemade handheld antenna (Richard Girard) 9. 08:55 AM - Re: Inspection camera (David LLoyd) 10. 09:24 AM - Re: Inspection camera (Harley) 11. 09:43 AM - Re: Inspection camera (Tim Olson) 12. 09:43 AM - Re: Homemade handheld antenna (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA) 13. 09:54 AM - Re: Inspection camera (David LLoyd) 14. 10:15 AM - Re: Homemade handheld antenna (paul wilson) 15. 10:41 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (David M.) 16. 10:55 AM - Re: Inspection camera (Tim Olson) 17. 10:55 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (David M.) 18. 10:55 AM - Re: FW: Inspection camera (David M.) 19. 10:55 AM - Re: Homemade handheld antenna (Rob Stapleton) 20. 11:15 AM - Re: Inspection camera (David M.) 21. 11:22 AM - Re: Inspection camera (BobsV35B@aol.com) 22. 12:25 PM - Re: Inspection camera (wrbyars@aol.com) 23. 12:42 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Bob White) 24. 12:42 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Dj Merrill) 25. 12:51 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Harley) 26. 12:51 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Ray) 27. 12:52 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Matt Prather) 28. 12:57 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Richard Tasker) 29. 12:59 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Harley) 30. 01:12 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Harley) 31. 01:12 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Harley) 32. 01:15 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Don Curry) 33. 01:24 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Dj Merrill) 34. 01:43 PM - iNSPECTION CAMERA (wrbyars@aol.com) 35. 01:43 PM - Re: Inspection camera (F. Tim Yoder) 36. 03:53 PM - Re: Inspection camera (Ralph Finch) 37. 03:53 PM - Shower of Sparks Help (John) 38. 04:55 PM - Re: Inspection camera (David M.) 39. 04:56 PM - Re: Inspection camera (David M.) 40. 05:15 PM - was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (David M.) 41. 05:21 PM - Invisible email Was: Inspection camera (Bob White) 42. 05:25 PM - Re: was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (Bob White) 43. 05:41 PM - Re: was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (Bob White) 44. 05:41 PM - Test 4: Re: was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (David M.) 45. 05:53 PM - Re: Test 4: Re: was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (Bob White) 46. 06:13 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks Help (J. Mcculley) 47. 06:17 PM - Re: was: Re: Inspection camera: now, test 3 (Dj Merrill) 48. 06:45 PM - Re: noisy tach signal (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 49. 07:02 PM - Re: Shower of Sparks Help (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 50. 08:02 PM - Re: Tyco Breakers (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 51. 08:04 PM - Re: Homemade handheld antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 52. 08:24 PM - Re: Tyco Breakers (Image corrected) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 53. 09:07 PM - Re: Homemade handheld antenna (Richard Girard) 54. 09:50 PM - Fw: Shower of Sparks Help (John) 55. 10:07 PM - Re: Fw: Shower of Sparks Help (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:05 AM PST US From: John Ciolino Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera You can get the Milwaukee brand of the same inspection camera from Amazon.com for $97.62 with free shipping. (p/n 2300-20) There are 2 versions; this is the AA powered model, a Lithium ion powered model is $200+ John Ciolino David LLoyd wrote: > Thanks,,,,, > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera > > David, > > There is no "sale end date" listed on the page where this ad > appears. This is a widely published flyer which is most likely > known by all retail stores. > > Just print the scanned ad. They will accept it. > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David LLoyd > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera > > Roger, > It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include > the "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get > the ad can take your scanned copy, with current date, and > hustle down to HF and purchase one. I do not know if all HF > outlets carry the same sales. But, they would probably honor > a sale print out. > David > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ROGER & JEAN CURTIS > > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:53 AM > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera > > > > Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July > 6. See attachment! > > > > Roger > > * > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:41 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera John... Not quite the same thing...the reviews of the Milwaukee unit are not as good as for the Ridgid one...biggest complaints with this Milwaukee unit is the large camera head (3/4"...a bit bigger than the HF model) and the difficulty of watching the screen while trying to maneuver the camera head...solved with the HF unit by removing the monitor from the handle. There were some complaints about cracks in the plastic case as well. Also, it doesn't have the ability to record the image, or flip or reverse the image without moving the camera. Also, the handy little tools that come with the HF unit are definitely a plus...a hook, a magnet and a mirror that attach to the camera head. Cheap to add to it, but quite a good idea! So far, I've found the HF unit to be VERY substantial and well built. Last night, I was playing with it, and recorded a quick look around my computer room...inputting the image into the video capture device I have on the 'puter. You can see the results here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMcqqQNIg50&feature=channel_page Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Ciolino wrote: > You can get the Milwaukee brand of the same inspection camera from > Amazon.com for $97.62 with free shipping. (p/n 2300-20) There are 2 > versions; this is the AA powered model, a Lithium ion powered model is > $200+ > > John Ciolino > > David LLoyd wrote: >> Thanks,,,,, >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roger >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera >> >> David, >> >> There is no "sale end date" listed on the page where this ad >> appears. This is a widely published flyer which is most likely >> known by all retail stores. >> >> Just print the scanned ad. They will accept it. >> >> Roger >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* David LLoyd >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:56 PM >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera >> >> Roger, >> It would be nice if you scanned the sale page to also include >> the "date" that it is good. That way folks that do not get >> the ad can take your scanned copy, with current date, and >> hustle down to HF and purchase one. I do not know if all HF >> outlets carry the same sales. But, they would probably honor >> a sale print out. >> David >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* ROGER & JEAN CURTIS >> >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:53 AM >> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera >> >> >> >> Just got my HF flier today. The sale is good until July >> 6. See attachment! >> >> >> >> Roger >> >> * >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:46 AM PST US From: "kuffel@cyberport.net" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers Question was: << experience with the Tyco Rocker type switch/breaker? >> I replied: << I used the Tyco/Airpax/(now)Sensata/Snapak style rocker circuit breaker/switches R11-1-[amperage]-G06EV. .. airpax.sensata.com. Bob Nuckolls does not approve of this arrangement. >> Bob Nuckolls replied: <> Felt Bob would take umbrage at the phrase the moment I pressed the send button. Okay, replace "does not approve of" with "discourages use of". Semantics anywhere but in a government bureaucracy. << These are indeed Cadillac breaker/switches . . . with a price to match. >> Just went and looked. Airpax style R11-1-[amp] are available under $15. This is half the AS&S price of the Tyco thermal circuit breakers used in type certified aircraft. << But if your system design goals include achievement of failure tolerant design then the $extra$ cost only buys you a style of device and adds nothing to system reliability for the airplane.>> Here, Bob and I have disagreed before. To me, the probable reliability of this life rated switch/circuit breaker and two connections is not automatically worse than the switch, wire across the panel to a circuit breaker array and 4 connections setup typical of most aircraft. As I said, my experience has been good, I'm confident in the reliability of the device, I like the simplified wiring and also like the reduced panel usage. << I've not seen this class of breaker used anywhere on a TC aircraft of any size or price. >> Which is one of the reasons we build experimental aircraft, so we can use stuff the TC world doesn't. Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:15 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: noisy tach signal At 04:12 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote: > >Thanks Bob. I don't have access to an o-scope so haven't been able >to look at the signal. The only filtering I've tried is the simple >wiring of a 0.1 uF cap from signal lead to ground. My other efforts >at solving the problem have been trying various wiring routing >changes and then changing the sensor leads to shielded cable. > >The sensor is a Westach Model 720-14R Hall effect sensor that screws >into the Slick mag vent hole over the rotating magnets. Westach has >been very responsive in trying to help solve the issue but no luck >so far. They are going to send me a sensor that is driven off the >mechanical drive (model 303DH2T) and I'll see if that works better, >but they tell me the setup I have has worked for many others and I'm >not sure what in my setup could be causing the problem. I haven't >heard back from IK-Tech yet. Hmmm . . . see if the IK-Tech will share a sketch of a schematic for the first two stages of tach signal conditioning. The manner in which bias levels are established for any "squaring" or level sensing circuits can have a profound effect on noise sensitivity. The schematics (need parts values too) + 'scope trace will permit a simple-ideas analysis of the symptoms. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:15 AM PST US From: "Roger" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera You can get the Milwaukee brand of the same inspection camera from Amazon.com for $97.62 with free shipping. (p/n 2300-20) There are 2 versions; this is the AA powered model, a Lithium ion powered model is $200+ John Ciolino They appear to be quite different from the HF unit! Does anyone have a comparison for us?? Roger ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:11 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around the house. I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) and also down into the cellar. What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead of the monitor! Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option adds another $400 to the price. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos Trigo wrote: > > Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection > Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? > > Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? > > > > Carlos > * * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:36 AM PST US From: "Ken Howell" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers Another interesting point in the Tyco literature is that they state that they don't make "primary" breakers, meaning all Tyco breakers are "secondary" whether they are switch or pull-type, and must be backed up by another breaker or fuse in the branch circuit. I might check with Tyco to see if they can elaborate on this point, and if I learn anything useful, I'll post it. My instinct tells me that the Tyco breakers would do the job for our application, but everything nowadays comes with some sort of caveat, probably included by the company lawyers. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of longg@pjm.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers Ken, My street interpretation would be if I have to pay $20.00 for a spotter/tyco switch breaker which isn't really a breaker (it just says so) and $20.00 for tyco pull breaker, guess which one I would buy? :-) Glenn Do Not Archive From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howell Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers It appears that they are referring to the primary and secondary windings of the transformer, and not in the sense of a "backup". In a nutshell, here's the way I interpret the Tyco spec: You can use our circuit breakers to protect a circuit, but you must also use another circuit breaker or fuse to protect the same circuit. Does that make sense? Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers At 12:08 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Tyco Rocker type switch/breaker? They are specified in the Digi-Key PTM as "secondary breakers", which must be backed up by a branch circuit breaker or fuse http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/tod/TycoElectronicsPB/CircuitBreakers_NoAud io/ CircuitBreakers_NoAudio.html . This would seem to defeat the purpose of having the breaker in the first place. What am I missing? Beats me. This is the first time I've seen that terminology used in describing the application of circuit protection. Did some searching and found this tid-bit . . . Emacs! This was excerpted from a book on wiring design for large AC power distribution systems. I don't think this applies to our 14/28V DC systems in light aircraft. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:54 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna From: Richard Girard Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came with. Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". I'm thinking of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire shoved into a BNC connector. Any input by radio heads will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rick ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:07 AM PST US From: "David LLoyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Harley, You tested it for long lens photo views it seems. How is the lens when you want to look at something up very close? ...say 1 -3 inches away. Does it have a manually adjusted lens,,? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Harley To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:23 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around the house. I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) and also down into the cellar. What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead of the monitor! Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option adds another $400 to the price. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Carlos Trigo wrote: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:48 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera No, the lens doesn't have an adjustable focus...but, if you'll notice the keyboard in my video, I was within a couple of inches of the keys at one point and it was still fairly clear. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMcqqQNIg50. Ridgid has a 9mm camera and flexible cable (this one is 17mm diameter) accessory that should fit this unit that is supposed to have a closer focal range. That may be an option as well. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David LLoyd wrote: > Harley, > You tested it for long lens photo views it seems. How is the lens > when you want to look at something up very close? ...say 1 -3 inches > away. Does it have a manually adjusted lens,,? > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Harley > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:23 AM > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This > morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! > ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on > the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and > walked around the house. > > I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall > to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the > house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the > camera) and also down into the cellar. > > What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular > horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never > bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I > lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. > But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. > > What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to > record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things > just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. > Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead > of the monitor! > > Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, > and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( > www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit > (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option > adds another $400 to the price. > > Harley > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being > attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to > the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume > that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the > transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor > display has to be turned on. > > Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later > models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one > switch to do it all! > > I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away > from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it > can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close > proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you > to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you > want to save the video you are looking at without having the > recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it > comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) > > I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when > I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by > either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have > the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the > camera. > > It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under > their own name, no longer have that option. > > Harley > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Carlos Trigo wrote: >> >> Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless >> Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? >> >> Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? >> >> Carlos >> > * > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:37 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera I gave mine a test last night, looking under furniture and such. My first impression is mixed. I think it MAY fit in a cylinder, and with the mirror attachment if it fits in you could probably see the valves and stuff, and you could probably see the piston and walls. The problem is that it doesn't like to focus up real close, so 1-3" I'd say maybe on the long end is ok, but 1-2" doesn't seem to focus. Then, since you're viewing on a screen, it isn't as clear as if you were, say, just looking through a lens. Yeah, it's cool that you could feed it out to a TV and capture it on a PC, but, viewing on the LCD isn't as clear, so it's harder to make out detail. It actually is pretty clear if you're looking at stuff 12" away, or across the room. I had a sticker on a mechanism under a recliner and I tried to read it, and it was hard to read the text with black on yellow. That was my first clue that perhaps looking into my cylinder with it may not work perfectly. It may find an eaten away valve or something like that, but you won't probably see more minor things too well in a cylinder...IF the camera fits in well enough as-is. So I'm hoping to come across a cylinder I can play with and test it in, and if it doesn't work well for that, I'm returning it. It's nice, but I really just want it for cylinder inspection. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive David LLoyd wrote: > Harley, > You tested it for long lens photo views it seems. How is the lens when > you want to look at something up very close? ...say 1 -3 inches away. > Does it have a manually adjusted lens,,? > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Harley > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:23 AM > *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning > (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I > set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west > most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around > the house. > > I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to > my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the > house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) > and also down into the cellar. > > What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular > horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never > bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost > the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. But it > returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. > > What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to > record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things > just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. > Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead > of the monitor! > > Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, > and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( > www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit > (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option adds > another $400 to the price. > > Harley > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being > attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to > the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that > turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as > well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be > turned on. > > Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later > models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch > to do it all! > > I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from > the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be > removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to > the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the > monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the > video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the > garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to > output the image for recording or storing.) > > I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I > was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by > either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the > monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. > > It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under > their own name, no longer have that option. > > Harley > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Carlos Trigo wrote: >> >> Can somebody please explain why is it advertised Wireless >> Inspection Camera and it comes with 3 ft flexible extended tube ? >> >> Is the wireless referring to the (battery) power only? >> >> Carlos >> > * > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA" Rick - That will work, but I'd suggest a piece of music wire rather than stainless. Music wire will accept solder, so you can solder the wire to the BNC center pin for a better electrical connection (then pot it with epoxy for strain-relief). You'll also be happier if you put a tight 180-deg bend or small loop in the end (also soldered) to mitigate scratches, snags and gouged eyes. Neal ================= Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came with. Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". I'm thinking of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire shoved into a BNC connector. Any input by radio heads will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rick ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:37 AM PST US From: "David LLoyd" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Thanks Harley... I had previously missed your YouTube link. For me is key to have close up to look for bracket cracks and other mechanical failure areas that are nearly inaccessible for inspection. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Harley To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera No, the lens doesn't have an adjustable focus...but, if you'll notice the keyboard in my video, I was within a couple of inches of the keys at one point and it was still fairly clear. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMcqqQNIg50. Ridgid has a 9mm camera and flexible cable (this one is 17mm diameter) accessory that should fit this unit that is supposed to have a closer focal range. That may be an option as well. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- David LLoyd wrote: Harley, You tested it for long lens photo views it seems. How is the lens when you want to look at something up very close? ...say 1 -3 inches away. Does it have a manually adjusted lens,,? David ----- Original Message ----- From: Harley To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:23 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around the house. I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) and also down into the cellar. What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead of the monitor! Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option adds another $400 to the price. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Carlos Trigo wrote: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:49 AM PST US From: paul wilson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna Hi Rick, I just got finished with antenna tuning on all my vhf radios. Made a big difference. Like you I use lengths for my common freq. If you go to the Ham radio store they will sell you a VHF Whip antenna for a hand held. It will make a huge difference. Mine is ~16.7" long. They have adapters for the different connectors as required. I have not used the rubber ducky since I got the whip antenna. Obviously the one I bought was not tuned for 127 but the swr is just fine across a large range of freqs. Maybe they will have a 22 or 23' one? BTW, Correct length for 127 is 22.1" for 1/4 wave per my calcs. Cut yours 23" an then re-cut for best swr. Paul ========= At 08:58 AM 6/18/2009, Rick wrote: >Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm >wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came >with. Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". >I'm thinking of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire >shoved into a BNC connector. Any input by radio heads will be >greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Rick ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:23 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:46 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera I'd say Harley's video does a pretty good representation of the quality that I found. Thanks for posting, Harley! So you can see that in the right situation it's not too bad. But, the light does tend to get too glaring in some places to see what you need. It's certainly no medical camera, but it has some capabilities too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Harley wrote: > No, the lens doesn't have an adjustable focus...but, if you'll notice > the keyboard in my video, I was within a couple of inches of the keys at > one point and it was still fairly clear. > www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMcqqQNIg50. > > Ridgid has a 9mm camera and flexible cable (this one is 17mm diameter) > accessory that should fit this unit that is supposed to have a closer > focal range. That may be an option as well. > > Harley > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > David LLoyd wrote: >> Harley, >> You tested it for long lens photo views it seems. How is the lens >> when you want to look at something up very close? ...say 1 -3 inches >> away. Does it have a manually adjusted lens,,? >> David >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Harley >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:23 AM >> *Subject:* AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera >> >> Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This >> morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! >> ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on >> the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and >> walked around the house. >> >> I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall >> to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the >> house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the >> camera) and also down into the cellar. >> >> What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular >> horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never >> bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I >> lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. >> But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. >> >> What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to >> record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things >> just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. >> Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead >> of the monitor! >> >> Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, >> and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( >> www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit >> (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option >> adds another $400 to the price. >> >> Harley >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being >> attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to >> the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume >> that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the >> transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor >> display has to be turned on. >> >> Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later >> models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one >> switch to do it all! >> >> I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away >> from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it >> can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close >> proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you >> to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you >> want to save the video you are looking at without having the >> recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it >> comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) >> >> I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when >> I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by >> either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have >> the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the >> camera. >> >> It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under >> their own name, no longer have that option. >> >> Harley >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Carlos Trigo wrote: >>> >>> Can somebody please explain why is it advertised Wireless >>> Inspection Camera and it comes with 3 ft flexible extended tube ? >>> >>> Is the wireless referring to the (battery) power only? >>> >>> Carlos >>> >> * >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:46 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:47 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:47 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna I mounted an antennae on my( Antares ) trike using a 1/4 wave whip on the wing keel tube and ran the coax down the vertical mast with a BNC adapter on my VXA-700 and it works fine. It is a bit directional though and the next time I will mount it in on the bottom of the pod and put at least a six inch diameter metal disk around the antennae mount. RS Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, AK KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna Rick - That will work, but I'd suggest a piece of music wire rather than stainless. Music wire will accept solder, so you can solder the wire to the BNC center pin for a better electrical connection (then pot it with epoxy for strain-relief). You'll also be happier if you put a tight 180-deg bend or small loop in the end (also soldered) to mitigate scratches, snags and gouged eyes. Neal ================= Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came with. Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". I'm thinking of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire shoved into a BNC connector. Any input by radio heads will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rick ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:17 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:39 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Good Afternoon Harley and All, Went to Harbor Freight this morning and picked up my unit. I also learned something that many of you may already know. When you receive a Harbor Freight Sale flyer, the ones that need a coupon to get th e lower price are the ones that have a barcode included in the ad. If you do not have the flyer with you, they generally have the flyer available in the store, but you will NOT get the sale price unless they can a scan the barc ode on the advertisement. The little monitor and camera did not have a barcode so you would get that price without any effort on your part. However, I did pick up a few other items that were cheaper by having the coupons available to be scanned. Happy Skies, Old Bob Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 In a message dated 6/18/2009 7:26:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, harley@agelesswings.com writes: Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around the house. I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) and also down into the cellar. What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost the image altogeth er was when I went out into my front yard. But it returned immediately if I back ed up a couple of feet. What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things just about anywhe re in my house, including the garage and cellar. Of course things may chang e when I start moving the camera instead of the monitor! Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( _www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm_ (http://www.privatebrandtools.com /wireless.htm) ). But the base unit (without the record function) is $500, and the recordin g option adds another $400 to the price. Harley ____________________________________ Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver ), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) bu t a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at wit hout having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standin g still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley ____________________________________ Carlos Trigo wrote: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised =9CWireless Inspec tion Camera=9D and it comes with =9C3 ft flexible extended tube =9D ? Is the =9Cwireless=9D referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! =http:%2F%2F ad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215692163%3B38015526%3Be) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera From: wrbyars@aol.com I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it just me as all the other posts open OK? -----Original Message----- From: David M. Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:14 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera If your mail reader has an option to "view message source" or something similar, you can see David's messages. I have the same problem with my mail reader on a few messages. I'm not sure what causes the problem, except that the un-viewable message is some sort of html format but it comes into my mail reader as plain text. My grandfather would have said, "it's one of those modern inconveniences". Bob W. Here is the fourth message David posted as viewed from source: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a little concern about using the clamp-on attachments.  The mirror is an absolute must when checking in the cylinders for just that purpose - checking the valves.  However, I am worried about the mirror coming off while still inside the cylinder.  That will be a major pain...  Does it seem sturdy enough to you guys?  You don't think it will come off?

Thanks,
David M.



On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:15:04 -0400 wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it just me as all the other posts open OK? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera From: Dj Merrill On 06/18/2009 03:15 PM, wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > > *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of > hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it > just me as all the other posts open OK? > * > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. From reading the e-mail headers from David's message, it looks like David is using the AVG mail virus scanner, which has known problems in sending out e-mails that other e-mail clients cannot read. It is showing up blank on my system, too. David, you may wish to consider removing the AVG virus scanner, and use another virus scanner instead, or disable AVG from scanning outgoing e-mails if that is possible. fyi -Dj ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:49 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Nope...not just you...David's posts have been coming through empty here as well...the blank space below David's header (as seen below) is just what I've been receiving as well. David...since I started this thread, why don't you email me directly and we'll try to see what is going on... harley@agelesswings.com Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > > *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of > hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it > just me as all the other posts open OK? > * > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > > Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! > * > * ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:50 PM PST US From: Ray Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera They were blank to me also. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > > *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of > hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it > just me as all the other posts open OK? > * > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > > > > > Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera From: "Matt Prather" The thought that too.. But I messed around and found that if I select "View Message Details" on my webmail page I can see the text of David's messages. Matt- > > > I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of hours > about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it just me > as all the other posts open OK? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:57 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera It is not just you. I too do not see anything. Dick Tasker wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > > *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of > hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it > just me as all the other posts open OK? > * > > -----Original Message----- > From: David M. > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera > * > * ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:42 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera >>However, I did pick up a few other items that were cheaper<< I have that problem as well, Old Bob...I can't go into Harbor Freight without picking up something more than I was looking for...even if it's nothing but another box of nitrile gloves! Speaking of which...one of our list members sent me a private email this morning...he wants one of those cameras but was in an area where there is no Harbor Freight (Portugal! ). so I went to another local HF (the one here in Henrietta was out of them) and bought one for him (he said that he had access to an adapter for the US voltage and also didn't care if it was NTSC monitor). Just sent it off to him. While there, I was telling the manager what I was going to do with it, and he offered to sell me the other two he had left in stock as well! I bought them! So! I have two more for sale, if any of you are not near a Harbor Freight, want one of these fine Harbor Freight Wireless Inspection Cameras and are thinking about getting one of these from their website, I'll sell you one for their price of $99.99 plus tax ($8) and shipping...it'll still be less than the online price for it (the order to Portugal with shipping came in almost $10 less than the online price!) Let me know... If I don't sell them, I'm not out anything(except for the gas money for the 35 mile round trip...but I like to drive anyway!), as HF will always take them back, so don't feel you have to.. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Good Afternoon Harley and All, > > Went to Harbor Freight this morning and picked up my unit. > > I also learned something that many of you may already know. When you > receive a Harbor Freight Sale flyer, the ones that need a coupon to > get the lower price are the ones that have a barcode included in the > ad. If you do not have the flyer with you, they generally have the > flyer available in the store, but you will NOT get the sale price > unless they can a scan the barcode on the advertisement. > > The little monitor and camera did not have a barcode so you would get > that price without any effort on your part. However, I did pick up a > few other items that were cheaper by having the coupons available to > be scanned. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > Stearman N3977A > Brookeridge Airpark > LL22 > * > * ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:34 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Now that we know what David said: "I have a little concern about using the clamp-on attachments. The mirror is an absolute must when checking in the cylinders for just that purpose - checking the valves. However, I am worried about the mirror coming off while still inside the cylinder. That will be a major pain... Does it seem sturdy enough to you guys? You don't think it will come off?" First, the mirror is very securely mounted to the shaft it's on. It is mounted with a loop at the end of the shaft so that it would have to be rotated over 270 degrees on the mount to even loosen it. And the shaft is then mounted through the locking collar that goes around the camera with a couple of bends in it...one is back on itself so that a pull in either direction will actually tighten it in the clamp. Last the clamp has a latching feature on it, so when mounted to the camera, it surrounds an indent in the camera body and is no larger diameter than the camera, and locked in place. I found it's a bit difficult to remove once mounted! Now, in the event that it DOES come off (and I can't see how), you can simply use the magnet or the hook to retrieve it! Harley ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:36 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera I don't think AVG's the problem...I'm using it too...have for years...as well as just about everyone I know locally. We've never had a problem with sending emails. Harley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From reading the e-mail headers from David's message, it looks like > David is using the AVG mail virus scanner, which has known problems in > sending out e-mails that other e-mail clients cannot read. It is > showing up blank on my system, too. > > David, you may wish to consider removing the AVG virus scanner, and > use another virus scanner instead, or disable AVG from scanning outgoing > e-mails if that is possible. > > fyi > > -Dj > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:30 PM PST US From: "Don Curry" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera I got mine this morning, too. I took a quick look to see if HF had a plastic box the foam padding would fit in, but I didn't have enough time to do a thorough search. From what I could tell, one of the compartmentalized plastic boxes seemed just about perfect except for the handle. I suspect the scope items could be reconfigured in the foam for a nice fit, but I couldn't tell for sure. Anybody find a good plastic storage box for it yet? Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Good Afternoon Harley and All, Went to Harbor Freight this morning and picked up my unit. I also learned something that many of you may already know. When you receive a Harbor Freight Sale flyer, the ones that need a coupon to get the lower price are the ones that have a barcode included in the ad. If you do not have the flyer with you, they generally have the flyer available in the store, but you will NOT get the sale price unless they can a scan the barcode on the advertisement. The little monitor and camera did not have a barcode so you would get that price without any effort on your part. However, I did pick up a few other items that were cheaper by having the coupons available to be scanned. Happy Skies, Old Bob Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 In a message dated 6/18/2009 7:26:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, harley@agelesswings.com writes: Another day, more testing of this neat little camera! This morning (a very rainy, wet morning here...good day to play inside! ), I set it up in my "computer room" (a converted bedroom on the west most end of my house), disconnected the monitor and walked around the house. I had a steady image until I got about 25 feet away, in the hall to my kitchen, but even then, never totally lost the image in the house. Went out into my attached garage (~60 feet from the camera) and also down into the cellar. What did happen was that I would start getting a couple of regular horizontal flash-like lines as the signal became weaker...never bothered the readability of the image though. The only time I lost the image altogether was when I went out into my front yard. But it returned immediately if I backed up a couple of feet. What this all means for me, is that I can set the monitor up to record to the computer in the computer room, and check out things just about anywhere in my house, including the garage and cellar. Of course things may change when I start moving the camera instead of the monitor! Found another similar device online that uses a separate monitor, and can be recorded directly into the monitor. The V-Snake ( www.privatebrandtools.com/wireless.htm ). But the base unit (without the record function) is $500, and the recording option adds another $400 to the price. Harley _____ Carlos...the monitor slides off and can be viewed without being attached to the handle. No wires. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that to work, the monitor POWER has to be on (I assume that turns on the receiver), the HANDLE has to be on (the transmitter as well as the camera and the light) AND the monitor display has to be turned on. Maybe that's why they permanently mounted the monitor in later models...without the transmitter and receiver, only need one switch to do it all! I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from the camera and still had a picture...have no idea how far it can be removed (the instructions say it can be used "in close proximity" to the handle...) but a couple of rooms away allows you to have the monitor close to a tape recorder or computer if you want to save the video you are looking at without having the recording unit in the garage or near the work being examined (it comes with a cable to output the image for recording or storing.) I saw a big advantage to being able to disconnect the monitor when I was playing around last night. When you are moving the camera by either the flexible cable or the handle, it's a big help to have the monitor standing still in front of you while you maneuver the camera. It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under their own name, no longer have that option. Harley _____ Carlos Trigo wrote: Can somebody please explain why is it advertised "Wireless Inspection Camera" and it comes with "3 ft flexible extended tube" ? Is the "wireless" referring to the (battery) power only? Carlos List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www. matro nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n _____ Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera From: Dj Merrill On 06/18/2009 04:13 PM, Harley wrote: > I don't think AVG's the problem...I'm using it too...have for > years...as well as just about everyone I know locally. We've never > had a problem with sending emails. > We've had several problems with AVG and e-mail (I work in computing support at a local College). Disabling AVG has fixed it every time, so far. I can't say that every version of AVG has a problem, but most definitely some do. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:24 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: iNSPECTION CAMERA From: wrbyars@aol.com I've been thinking about a device such as this for some time and want to thank all of you who have and are contributing to the thread. This is certianly a good price and I intend to get one in a couple of days if my Tulsa store has any; which a lot of times they don't have what is advertized because of POOR, or lack of, management. I was curious about the apparent lack of focus for close ups and wondered if the camera could be replaced with a better quality? I get catalogs from suppliers of security equipment that has all sizes of these little cameras and they are relatively inexpensive. Maybe one of you fellas with the proper skills could look into this and also check the spec's on the RIGID brand accessories smaller camera, or whomever, and see what it's capabilities are. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:24 PM PST US From: "F. Tim Yoder" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Nothing came through. ----- Original Message ----- From: wrbyars@aol.com To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it just me as all the other posts open OK? -----Original Message----- From: David M. To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2009 1:09 pm Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:00 PM PST US From: "Ralph Finch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera This thread got me curious as to what other borescopes in the $100-$150 price range were available. Here=99s a list of a few. I don=99t know squat about any of them. http://tinyurl.com/n4sgbo http://tinyurl.com/m5kscj Dental camera, seems to offer serious detail viewing http://tinyurl.com/nsegl4 fiber optic, no light, no power reqd http://tinyurl.com/me83ut powered by USB port http://tinyurl.com/mqu9vk http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber-833 Another HF borescope$300 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=91565 HF again, $200 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:00 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help Hi Bob I wired my RV6A (I think) according to your Shower of Sparks info I found on the Internet. I did this quite awhile ago, and just got around to a planned first start today. In doing some preliminary checking with the plugs out before the start, it appears I have both mags producing sparks in the start mode. The mags, vibrator and ignition switch all came out of the same aircraft (R22), thus I know they were compatible at one time. Is there something obvious I should check that may be causing this problem? Can continuity of the wires be checked while still attached to the swithch? Thanks in advance. John Crate ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers At 12:08 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the Tyco Rocker type switch/breaker? They are specified in the Digi-Key PTM as "secondary breakers", which must be backed up by a branch circuit breaker or fuse http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/tod/TycoElectronicsPB/CircuitBreakers_NoAud io/CircuitBreakers_NoAudio.html . This would seem to defeat the purpose of having the breaker in the first place. What am I missing? Beats me. This is the first time I've seen that terminology used in describing the application of circuit protection. Did some searching and found this tid-bit . . . This was excerpted from a book on wiring design for large AC power distribution systems. I don't think this applies to our 14/28V DC systems in light aircraft. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:41 PM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:44 PM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Test 2: Ok, html is explicitly off and scanning outgoing messages is off in AVG. David Dj Merrill wrote: > > On 06/18/2009 03:15 PM, wrbyars@aol.com wrote: >> *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of >> hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it >> just me as all the other posts open OK? >> * >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David M. > > From reading the e-mail headers from David's message, it looks like > David is using the AVG mail virus scanner, which has known problems in > sending out e-mails that other e-mail clients cannot read. It is > showing up blank on my system, too. > > David, you may wish to consider removing the AVG virus scanner, and > use another virus scanner instead, or disable AVG from scanning outgoing > e-mails if that is possible. > > fyi > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:22 PM PST US From: "David M." Subject: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:26 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Invisible email Was: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera Hi David, This last one came through just fine. Test 1 had the same problem. I suspect turning html off probably fixed the problem. Email used to be a plain text world. :) Was there anything different in test 1? Bob W. On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:58:35 -0500 "David M." wrote: > > Test 2: > > Ok, html is explicitly off and scanning outgoing messages is off in AVG. > > David > > > > Dj Merrill wrote: > > > > On 06/18/2009 03:15 PM, wrbyars@aol.com wrote: > >> *I have opened the (4) e-mails you have posted in the last couple of > >> hours about the inspection camera and there is nothing to read. Is it > >> just me as all the other posts open OK? > >> * > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David M. > > > > From reading the e-mail headers from David's message, it looks like > > David is using the AVG mail virus scanner, which has known problems in > > sending out e-mails that other e-mail clients cannot read. It is > > showing up blank on my system, too. > > > > David, you may wish to consider removing the AVG virus scanner, and > > use another virus scanner instead, or disable AVG from scanning outgoing > > e-mails if that is possible. > > > > fyi > > > > > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:20 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 Maybe not. The problem is back. What you did for Test 2 worked OK. Must be that AVG thing. Bob W. On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:16:06 -0500 "David M." wrote: > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:01 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 Follow up. After looking at the source for test 2 and test 3, the difference seems to be this line: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4DD03951=======" Also in test 3, these two lines: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit are located just before the actual message. In test 2, those two lines were just after the Subject line and ahead of three other header fields, so it seems AVG is reordering some thing before sending the message on. Bob W. On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:24:42 -0600 Bob White wrote: > > Maybe not. The problem is back. What you did for Test 2 worked OK. > > Must be that AVG thing. > > Bob W. > > > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:16:06 -0500 > "David M." wrote: > > > > > > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/
--=======AVGMAIL-4DD03951=======-- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:59 PM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Test 4: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 avg outgoing checking off, html on. David David M. wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:17 PM PST US From: Bob White Subject: Re: Test 4: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 That pretty much nails it down. With AVG off, your messages are displaying just fine. Although from looking at the headers, it indicates plane text for this message. >From the headers: Subject: Test 4: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bob W. do not archive On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:43:56 -0500 "David M." wrote: > > avg outgoing checking off, html on. > > David > > > > David M. wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:59 PM PST US From: "J. Mcculley" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help John, I'm not Bob, but are the mags both equipped with retard breaker points as indicated by two connections on each mag? Are they Slick mags? What are their part numbers? On most installations there will be different part numbers with one (usually the left) being the retard breaker mag. If they came off of a Helicopter engine (R22?)they might be using dual retard breaker mags, which would provide TDC sparks from both mags during start and then both reverting to normal (25 degree?advance) when the start switch is released from the start position. This should be good in the sense that easier starts would be expected because both sets of plugs would be firing throughout the start up process. Jim McCulley ============================================================================= John wrote: > Hi Bob > > I wired my RV6A (I think) according to your Shower of Sparks info I > found on the Internet. I did this quite awhile ago, and just got around > to a planned first start today. In doing some preliminary checking with > the plugs out before the start, it appears I have both mags producing > sparks in the start mode. The mags, vibrator and ignition switch all > came out of the same aircraft (R22), thus I know they were compatible at > one time. > > Is there something obvious I should check that may be causing this problem? > Can continuity of the wires be checked while still attached to the swithch? > > Thanks in advance. > > John Crate > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robert L. Nuckolls, III > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:12 PM > *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers > > At 12:08 PM 6/16/2009, you wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience with the Tyco Rocker type >> switch/breaker? >> >> They are specified in the Digi-Key PTM as "secondary breakers", >> which must be backed up by a branch circuit breaker or fuse >> http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/en/tod/TycoElectronicsPB/CircuitBreakers_NoAudio/CircuitBreakers_NoAudio.html >> . >> >> This would seem to defeat the purpose of having the breaker in the >> first place. What am I missing? > > Beats me. This is the first time I've seen that > terminology used in describing the application > of circuit protection. Did some searching and found > this tid-bit . . . > > Emacs! > > > This was excerpted from a book on wiring > design for large AC power distribution systems. > I don't think this applies to our 14/28V DC > systems in light aircraft. > > Bob . . . > > --------------------------------------- > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > --------------------------------------- > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: was: Re: AeroElectric-List: Inspection camera: now, test 3 From: Dj Merrill On 6/18/2009 8:38 PM, Bob White wrote: > fields, so it seems AVG is reordering some thing before sending the > message on. Bob, That is exactly the problem. AVG re-orders the header information for the e-mail message, causing a lot of e-mail clients to incorrectly parse the resulting message that is sent, resulting in a "blank" display instead of the proper body text. Turning off AVG scanning of outbound e-mail (both HTML and text) solves the problem for us. Unfortunately, we believe that some AVG updates turn the outbound e-mail scanning back on again... *sigh* -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:53 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: noisy tach signal At 04:12 PM 6/17/2009, you wrote: > >Thanks Bob. I don't have access to an o-scope so haven't been able >to look at the signal. The only filtering I've tried is the simple >wiring of a 0.1 uF cap from signal lead to ground. My other efforts >at solving the problem have been trying various wiring routing >changes and then changing the sensor leads to shielded cable. > >The sensor is a Westach Model 720-14R Hall effect sensor that screws >into the Slick mag vent hole over the rotating magnets. Westach has >been very responsive in trying to help solve the issue but no luck >so far. They are going to send me a sensor that is driven off the >mechanical drive (model 303DH2T) and I'll see if that works better, >but they tell me the setup I have has worked for many others and I'm >not sure what in my setup could be causing the problem. I haven't >heard back from IK-Tech yet. Hmmm . . . see if the IK-Tech will share a sketch of a schematic for the first two stages of tach signal conditioning. The manner in which bias levels are established for any "squaring" or level sensing circuits can have a profound effect on noise sensitivity. The schematics (need parts values too) + 'scope trace will permit a simple-ideas analysis of the symptoms. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:09 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help At 05:50 PM 6/18/2009, you wrote: >Hi Bob > >I wired my RV6A (I think) according to your Shower of Sparks info I >found on the Internet. I did this quite awhile ago, and just got >around to a planned first start today. In doing some preliminary >checking with the plugs out before the start, it appears I have both >mags producing sparks in the start mode. The mags, vibrator and >ignition switch all came out of the same aircraft (R22), thus I know >they were compatible at one time. Here's a link to an article I did some years ago on SOS systems . . . never quite got around to polishing it up it but it's essentially complete. http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Shower-of-Sparks/ShowerOfSparks.pdf Only one mag with a second set of retard points is hooked to the vibrator. The second mag is prevented from operating by inclusion of the GRD to R jumper shown in the first of the two wiring diagrams. If both mags are "active" then perhaps the jumper is not in place. How do you know that both mags are active? Are you getting vibrator enhanced sparks from both devices? They should not be sharing any connections with the vibrator unless it's specifically designed to handle a PAIR of dual breaker mags. Can you point me to the information you used to do the wiring? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:45 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Tyco Breakers > >Felt Bob would take umbrage at the phrase the moment I >pressed the send button. Okay, replace "does not approve >of" with "discourages use of". Semantics anywhere but in a >government bureaucracy. You put words in my mouth still . . . my offering of simple ideas for the use of switch breakers pointed out that fact that switch breakers force the builder to fabricate a distribution bus on the panel . . . not unlike the breaker panels typical of TC aircraft even today. If one is favorably impressed with fuse blocks, then the fabrication of bus bars is already accomplished with a purchased part . . . and can be mounted remotely from the panel. If one has fuse blocks, then the only panel real estate devoted to control/protection are the necessary switches. All protected circuits not requiring switches require no panel space. If one chooses to use a combination of switch/breakers and circuit/breakers, then the real estate budget is affected. I prefer and RECOMMEND the low real estate, low labor, low cost approach but I would not discourage anyone from wiring their airplane any way they wish that does not introduce hazardous failure modes. Certainly choices of breakers, switch- breakers and/or fuses do not offer great risks. > ><< These are indeed Cadillac breaker/switches . . . with >a price to match. >> > >Just went and looked. Airpax style R11-1-[amp] are >available under $15. This is half the AS&S price of the >Tyco thermal circuit breakers used in type certified >aircraft. The breakers in common to TC aircraft are mil-spec devices with price tags commensurate with their pedigree. There are other commercial/ industrial breakers to be had for less money . . . the Airpax line you cited is but one. > < But if your system design goals >include achievement of failure tolerant design >then the $extra$ cost only buys you a style >of device and adds nothing to system reliability >for the airplane.>> > >Here, Bob and I have disagreed before. To me, the probable >reliability of this life rated switch/circuit breaker and >two connections is not automatically worse than the switch, >wire across the panel to a circuit breaker array and 4 >connections setup typical of most aircraft. Breakers that assuage concerns for aircraft designers have terminal bosses compatible with bus bars that tie multiple devices together. Like . . . Emacs! The R11 has fast-on tabs that do not lend themselves to direct connection to bus bars. Emacs! > As I said, my >experience has been good, I'm confident in the reliability >of the device, I like the simplified wiring and also like >the reduced panel usage. As to absolute reliability, the numbers are inversely proportional to parts count and without a doubt, the breaker/switch is more complex than the plain switch. Reliability is inarguable. Bonanza and Baron owners are presently saddled with some parts-count issues in the utilization of this breaker/switch . . . Emacs! It's a sure bet that they're wishing we'd not strayed from the simple breaker-panel, switch- panel architecture common to most other airplanes. This albatross involves about 80,000 fielded breaker/switches. But had you chosen fuse blocks and rocker switches with fast-on tabs, you would be no greater parts count than using toggle switches with fast-on tabs. Further, you would not have to wrestle with the bus-bar connection issues presented by fast-on tabs. > ><< I've not seen this class of breaker used >anywhere on a TC aircraft of any size or >price. >> > >Which is one of the reasons we build experimental aircraft, >so we can use stuff the TC world doesn't. Absolutely! An if you're pleased with the outcome of your choices, I'm pleased for you. But kindly refrain from mis-representing my mission here on the List. When I offer a particular recipe for success, it's supported by an analysis of design goals that I'm willing to share and explain. There are certainly other recipes that have met the builder's design goals . . . yours included. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:47 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna At 09:58 AM 6/18/2009, you wrote: >Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm >wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came >with. Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". >I'm thinking of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire >shoved into a BNC connector. Any input by radio heads will be >greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Rick Rick, how are you sir! Long time no speak! How well "exposed" is the rubber duck? Unless your mounting situation masks the antenna with nearby conductive structure, I don't think you would benefit much from a more optimized antenna. Your mission profile just doesn't call for getting weather reports from an RCO that 100 miles out on the horizon. Have you encountered communications issues that you thought might be improved by a better antenna? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:07 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: re: Tyco Breakers (Image corrected) > >Felt Bob would take umbrage at the phrase the moment I >pressed the send button. Okay, replace "does not approve >of" with "discourages use of". Semantics anywhere but in a >government bureaucracy. You put words in my mouth still . . . my offering of simple ideas for the use of switch breakers pointed out that fact that switch breakers force the builder to fabricate a distribution bus on the panel . . . not unlike the breaker panels typical of TC aircraft even today. If one is favorably impressed with fuse blocks, then the fabrication of bus bars is already accomplished with a purchased part . . . and can be mounted remotely from the panel. If one has fuse blocks, then the only panel real estate devoted to control/protection are the necessary switches. All protected circuits not requiring switches require no panel space. If one chooses to use a combination of switch/breakers and circuit/breakers, then the real estate budget is affected. I prefer and RECOMMEND the low real estate, low labor, low cost approach but I would not discourage anyone from wiring their airplane any way they wish that does not introduce hazardous failure modes. Certainly choices of breakers, switch- breakers and/or fuses do not offer great risks. > ><< These are indeed Cadillac breaker/switches . . . with >a price to match. >> > >Just went and looked. Airpax style R11-1-[amp] are >available under $15. This is half the AS&S price of the >Tyco thermal circuit breakers used in type certified >aircraft. The breakers in common to TC aircraft are mil-spec devices with price tags commensurate with their pedigree. There are other commercial/ industrial breakers to be had for less money . . . the Airpax line you cited is but one. > < But if your system design goals >include achievement of failure tolerant design >then the $extra$ cost only buys you a style >of device and adds nothing to system reliability >for the airplane.>> > >Here, Bob and I have disagreed before. To me, the probable >reliability of this life rated switch/circuit breaker and >two connections is not automatically worse than the switch, >wire across the panel to a circuit breaker array and 4 >connections setup typical of most aircraft. Breakers that assuage concerns for aircraft designers have terminal bosses compatible with bus bars that tie multiple devices together. Like . . . Emacs! The R11 has fast-on tabs that do not lend themselves to direct connection to bus bars. Emacs! > As I said, my >experience has been good, I'm confident in the reliability >of the device, I like the simplified wiring and also like >the reduced panel usage. As to absolute reliability, the numbers are inversely proportional to parts count and without a doubt, the breaker/switch is more complex than the plain switch. Reliability is inarguable. Bonanza and Baron owners are presently saddled with some parts-count issues in the utilization of this breaker/switch . . . Emacs! It's a sure bet that they're wishing we'd not strayed from the simple breaker-panel, switch- panel architecture common to most other airplanes. This albatross involves about 80,000 fielded breaker/switches. But had you chosen fuse blocks and rocker switches with fast-on tabs, you would be no greater parts count than using toggle switches with fast-on tabs. Further, you would not have to wrestle with the bus-bar connection issues presented by fast-on tabs. > ><< I've not seen this class of breaker used >anywhere on a TC aircraft of any size or >price. >> > >Which is one of the reasons we build experimental aircraft, >so we can use stuff the TC world doesn't. Absolutely! An if you're pleased with the outcome of your choices, I'm pleased for you. But kindly refrain from mis-representing my mission here on the List. When I offer a particular recipe for success, it's supported by an analysis of design goals that I'm willing to share and explain. There are certainly other recipes that have met the builder's design goals . . . yours included. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Homemade handheld antenna From: Richard Girard We've been missed by all the big storms again this spring and I count that a long way toward things being pretty good.I'm expanding my mission profile by taking the trike to its first towered airport for the chapter 980 Fly In at IDP this Saturday. Rather than having to call ahead, I added a power tap (21st century cigarette lighter receptacle) to the panel and a bracket from the forward mast to attach the A-22. The radio stands atop the panel and the rubber ducky, or any other antenna for that matter, stands vertically above the wind screen. There's no structure exactly parallel to the antenna, although the forward mast (a 1 1/4" aluminum tube) is about two inches from the antenna base and this distance gradually increases.As I was out in the hangar this evening my eyes fell on a disused telescoping antenna from an ELT. Its BNC connector mates right up to the radio and gives me a "tunable" length. What the heck, the price was certainly right. Thanks to all who responded. Great help just a few keyboard clicks away. Rick On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > At 09:58 AM 6/18/2009, you wrote: > >> Bob, Just got through mounting my A-22 handheld in my trike. Now I'm >> wondering about a better antenna than the rubber ducky that it came with. >> Calculated length for a 1/4 wave centered on 127Mhz is 23.25". I'm thinking >> of nothing more than a piece of 1/16" SS welding wire shoved into a BNC >> connector. Any input by radio heads will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Rick >> > > Rick, how are you sir! Long time no speak! > How well "exposed" is the rubber duck? Unless > your mounting situation masks the antenna with > nearby conductive structure, I don't think you > would benefit much from a more optimized antenna. > Your mission profile just doesn't call for getting > weather reports from an RCO that 100 miles out > on the horizon. > > Have you encountered communications issues that > you thought might be improved by a better antenna? > > > Bob . . . > > --------------------------------------- > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > --------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:11 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help Bob The link you referenced below is the one I used to wire my SOS system (Key Switch Controlled). The GRD to R jumper was checked and is in place. The way that I know both mags are active is that, as a test before first start, I pulled a plug wired to each mag and cranked the starter to check for spark. . I don't know whether the vibrator was working at the time. Is there a way to check the keyed ignition switch to make sure it is working properly? Could a faulty shield connection on the Right Mag at either the switch or mag terminal cause the problem? Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:00 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help At 05:50 PM 6/18/2009, you wrote: Hi Bob I wired my RV6A (I think) according to your Shower of Sparks info I found on the Internet. I did this quite awhile ago, and just got around to a planned first start today. In doing some preliminary checking with the plugs out before the start, it appears I have both mags producing sparks in the start mode. The mags, vibrator and ignition switch all came out of the same aircraft (R22), thus I know they were compatible at one time. Here's a link to an article I did some years ago on SOS systems . . . never quite got around to polishing it up it but it's essentially complete. http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Shower-of-Sparks/ShowerOfSparks.pdf Only one mag with a second set of retard points is hooked to the vibrator. The second mag is prevented from operating by inclusion of the GRD to R jumper shown in the first of the two wiring diagrams. If both mags are "active" then perhaps the jumper is not in place. How do you know that both mags are active? Are you getting vibrator enhanced sparks from both devices? They should not be sharing any connections with the vibrator unless it's specifically designed to handle a PAIR of dual breaker mags. Can you point me to the information you used to do the wiring? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:39 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: Fw: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help If you have an A&P handy, he should be able to sort it out. You should have two P leads to the left mag, only one to the right. Make sure when key switch is off, mags are in fact grounded, before going further. TC aircraft with the SOS system use a push to start Bendix switch(pricey at $280)which operates the vibrator when turned to start, and only activates the starter relay when pushed toward dash. That allows checking for pulsing signal on retard breaker P lead. If the mags are both firing when starter is activated, right mag P lead isn't grounded. John wrote: > > > Bob > > The link you referenced below is the one I used to wire my SOS system > (Key Switch Controlled). The GRD to R jumper was checked and is in > place. The way that I know both mags are active is that, as a test > before first start, I pulled a plug wired to each mag and cranked the > starter to check for spark. . I don't know whether the vibrator was > working at the time. > > Is there a way to check the keyed ignition switch to make sure it is > working properly? Could a faulty shield connection on the Right Mag at > either the switch or mag terminal cause the problem? > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Robert L. Nuckolls, III > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Shower of Sparks Help > > At 05:50 PM 6/18/2009, you wrote: >> Hi Bob >> >> I wired my RV6A (I think) according to your Shower of Sparks info >> I found on the Internet. I did this quite awhile ago, and just >> got around to a planned first start today. In doing some >> preliminary checking with the plugs out before the start, it >> appears I have both mags producing sparks in the start mode. The >> mags, vibrator and ignition switch all came out of the same >> aircraft (R22), thus I know they were compatible at one time. > > Here's a link to an article I did some years > ago on SOS systems . . . never quite got around > to polishing it up it but it's essentially complete. > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Shower-of-Sparks/ShowerOfSparks.pdf > > Only one mag with a second set of retard > points is hooked to the vibrator. The second > mag is prevented from operating by inclusion > of the GRD to R jumper shown in the first > of the two wiring diagrams. If both mags are > "active" then perhaps the jumper is not in > place. > > How do you know that both mags are active? > Are you getting vibrator enhanced sparks from > both devices? 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