---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/06/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:14 AM - Re: Electrical Problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 08:25 AM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Kevin Boddicker) 3. 11:36 AM - Ground planes again (John F. Herminghaus) 4. 11:41 AM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Sam Hoskins) 5. 12:19 PM - Re: Ground planes again (Bruce Gray) 6. 01:10 PM - Re: Ground planes again (Matt Prather) 7. 02:33 PM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Kevin Boddicker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:58 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrical Problem > >Guys, > > I have a 2007 C-182T Skylane. After about 240 hours on the bird > I got an electrical problem. The Skylane has a G1000 in it. After > starting the plane and sitting on the ground at idle (approx 1000 > RPM) the "M BAT" starts to show a discharge after awhile (approx > -1.5 amps). The volts are good at 28 volts (the plane has a 24 > volt bat). I can turn the ALT off and the M BAT shows a bigger > discharge (as it should). As soon as I put the ALT back on line, > the M BAT shows a positive charge followed by a discharge to -1.5 > amps. Volts are a steady 28 with the ALT on. I don't think it's a > ALT problem. > > I changed the Gill bat hoping it was a battery > problem. Nope. Same problem exists with the new bat > installed. I'm thinking the next thing to check would be the > shunts (there are 2...one for the STBY BAT and one for the M > BAT). Anyone have any other ideas? Yes. Your ammeter reading is out of calibration. As long as the bus voltage is above 27 volts, there's no way your battery could be delivering energy, I.e. show a discharge reading on the battery ammeter. Are those true "shunts" http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Instruments/20-50_Shunt.jpg or are your current sensors really hall effect transducers? http://media.digikey.com/photos/Honeywell%20Photos/CSLA2CD.jpg If hall sensors, it's likely that your G1000 battery current sensor system has a -1.5A or greater offset that displays a discharge even when the battery is charged and perhaps still taking in some energy. Temporarily run the battery cable OUTSIDE the hall sensor. With all wires outside the sensor, it should read zero all the time. Check the manual for any zero adjust features that might be available. Alternatively, ignore it. Battery ammeters are of limited usefulness anyhow. Your original battery was probably okay if it was still cranking the engine well. I think I'd opt to ignore the reading. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:09 AM PST US From: Kevin Boddicker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Icom A-210 intercom Chris, Mine is wired as you indicate you want yours done. It works as advertised. The only thing, is setting the squelch level for the intercom to break, is not well explained. After getting the values set, there is no method to save the setting. If turned off, it will go back to default, which is too low for my plane. Once reset again, pushing the button IN saves the changes. I just guessed. I am having issues with the radio receiving though. Sent it back last fall. They changed the firmware, and re-seated some boards. It has worked fine till yesterday. It will not receive. If turned off, and back on, it works fine. But for how long? I will call tech support once again. They know my voice. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours Luana, IA. On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:09 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > > Hi > speaking of intercoms, I just bought a new Icom 210 and want to put > it into my 2 seater. Does the 2 place VOX system work OK should I > have a seperate 2 place intercom. > I just want to be able to talk to my pax, TX from either position > and have an MP3 input. to both.. > > Chris. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251546#251546 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:03 AM PST US From: "John F. Herminghaus" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground planes again Bob, One last question. With a carbon fiber can the ground plane be on the inside or should be on the outside. Regards, John Herminghaus ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Icom A-210 intercom From: Sam Hoskins Kevin - funny you should mention that. Yesterday I was running the engine with the intercom turned on, for the first time. I couldn't adjust the VOX squelch enough to prevent it coming on, anywhere above 1,500 RPM. They don't seem to have enough range in the adjustment. Let me know if you hear anything from their Tech Support. Sam On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Boddicker wrote: > Chris,Mine is wired as you indicate you want yours done. It works as > advertised. > The only thing, is setting the squelch level for the intercom to break, is > not well explained. After getting the values set, there is no method to save > the setting. If turned off, it will go back to default, which is too low for > my plane. Once reset again, pushing the button IN saves the changes. I just > guessed. > I am having issues with the radio receiving though. Sent it back last fall. > They changed the firmware, and re-seated some boards. It has worked fine > till yesterday. It will not receive. If turned off, and back on, it works > fine. But for how long? I will call tech support once again. They know my > voice. > > Kevin Boddicker > Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours > Luana, IA. > > > On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:09 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> > > Hi > speaking of intercoms, I just bought a new Icom 210 and want to put it into > my 2 seater. Does the 2 place VOX system work OK should I have a seperate > 2 place intercom. > I just want to be able to talk to my pax, TX from either position and have > an MP3 input. to both.. > > Chris. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251546#251546 > > > - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > --> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:54 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground planes again I don't think it matters. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John F. Herminghaus Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground planes again Bob, One last question. With a carbon fiber can the ground plane be on the inside or should be on the outside. Regards, John Herminghaus ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Ground planes again From: "Matt Prather" I agree.. However, since the carbon fiber is somewhat conductive and therefore shielding in nature, I might be concerned if the thickness of the surface (including any foam/honeycomb core material) were significant. Significant depends on what frequency the antenna operates at. The higher the frequency, the more critical. If it's vhf it probably won't have any major tuning effect. If transponder, I suspect a noticeably de-tuning effect might be noticed. I would also guess that any de-tuning can be addressed with a slightly longer radiator. You would need proper equipment to check that out. Regards, Matt- > > I don't think it matters. > > Bruce > www.Glasair.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > F. Herminghaus > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:30 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ground planes again > > > > Bob, > > One last question. With a carbon fiber can the ground plane be on the > inside or should be on the outside. > > Regards, > > John Herminghaus > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:59 PM PST US From: Kevin Boddicker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Icom A-210 intercom Sam, I got mine to work but had to set the squelch to 25 (I think) and then push the button to save it. If I did not save it and turned it off, it would default to 15. The default setting would open up squelch and I could hear the background noise. I don't know for sure what RPM, but on TO roll it would open. My visit with tech support today was to identify my lack of reception. I have no other problems. That I know about. I left a message with the service manager. He is to call me back. Looks like another trip to the service dept. for my A 210. I asked them about a replacement radio. Tech support skirted that issue fairly fast. Kevin On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Sam Hoskins wrote: > Kevin - funny you should mention that. Yesterday I was running the > engine with the intercom turned on, for the first time. I couldn't > adjust the VOX squelch enough to prevent it coming on, anywhere > above 1,500 RPM. They don't seem to have enough range in the > adjustment. Let me know if you hear anything from their Tech Support. > > Sam > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Boddicker > wrote: > Chris, > Mine is wired as you indicate you want yours done. It works as > advertised. > The only thing, is setting the squelch level for the intercom to > break, is not well explained. After getting the values set, there > is no method to save the setting. If turned off, it will go back to > default, which is too low for my plane. Once reset again, pushing > the button IN saves the changes. I just guessed. > I am having issues with the radio receiving though. Sent it back > last fall. They changed the firmware, and re-seated some boards. It > has worked fine till yesterday. It will not receive. If turned off, > and back on, it works fine. But for how long? I will call tech > support once again. They know my voice. > > Kevin Boddicker > Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours > Luana, IA. > > > On Jul 4, 2009, at 11:09 PM, chris Sinfield wrote: > >> >> >> Hi >> speaking of intercoms, I just bought a new Icom 210 and want to >> put it into my 2 seater. Does the 2 place VOX system work OK >> should I have a seperate 2 place intercom. >> I just want to be able to talk to my pax, TX from either position >> and have an MP3 input. to both.. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251546#251546 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - >> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matronics.com >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > > ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? > AeroElectric-List > a>http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.