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Tue 07/07/09


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 02:44 AM - Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID 22735) ()
     2. 03:44 AM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question) (gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com)
     3. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question) (Kevin Boddicker)
     4. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question) (Sam Hoskins)
     5. 07:28 AM - Re: Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID 22735) (nuckollsr)
     6. 07:53 AM - Re: Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID 22735) (Rodney Dunham)
     7. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question) (Kevin Boddicker)
     8. 09:16 AM - Re: Spike catcher diode  (Wade Roe)
     9. 09:55 AM - Re: Spike catcher diode (Bob White)
    10. 09:56 AM - Re: Spike catcher diode  (Bob Leffler)
    11. 10:58 AM - Re: Spike catcher diode  (Wade Roe)
    12. 06:41 PM -  Inspection camera (Ron Quillin)
    13. 06:43 PM -  Inspection camera (Ron Quillin)
    14. 08:03 PM - Re: Inspection camera ()
    15. 11:22 PM - First come/first serve (luigit@freemail.it)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:44:25 AM PST US
    From: <joeing701@internet.is>
    Subject: Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID 22735)
    Hello Bob Nuckolls. I have been having a starter problems on my Rotax 912 lately. The starter is the original Rotax starter. The starter has always needed more than normal power to start the aircraft. I have been connecting a booster battery every time I start the engine cold. The Regulator/Rectifier from Ducati stopped charging, so I replaced it with the Schicke GR6. Charged the new battery and still the same heavy load on the starter. In my search for the problem, I checked all electrical connection and noticed when looking at a drawing from your site that the Starter contactor (STARTER SOLENOID 22735 from Aircraft Spruce) is wired with the diode between the grounding poles, i.e. one to the starter switch, diode between poles and the other to the ground. When I connected the contactor at the time of building, I was adviced to just connect the one pole, i.e. from starter switch to the pole and the diode directly to ground on the mounting bracket for the contactor. Is this correct or should I change it to the same as on your drawings? Could this hook-up be the cause for a bad starter? I removed the starter yesterday and it has been overheating and a few wires have soot and melted connections. The engine has 250 hrs. total time on it. Hope you can help, Regards, Johann G. Iceland. Zenith 701


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    Time: 03:44:11 AM PST US
    From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com
    Subject: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question)
    Are you Gents happy with the intercom on the Icom A-210? - I gather the squelch is OK if set or may be not good for loud cockpit? - Good bad ugly, would you do it again or would you add a dedicated intercom? - Thanks George.=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 04:52:34 AM PST US
    From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@neitel.net>
    Subject: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question)
    The intercom function on my unit has been fine. Once I got the squelch set. The directions were not very clear. Or I did not read them correctly. I think the translation leaves something to be desired. I am having a problem with reception. It is intermittent. Sent it back once, and now have to send it back again. I loose reception, and it is hard to tell. After a while of silence, I realize that it is quiet. Change frequencies to AWOS or such, and get part of a reception, then out. Cycle the switch Off-On and then receive the broadcast. The support has been good, but the radio is getting more flight time than the plane. They seem hesitant to replace it with a new one. Hope I don't have to get serious with them. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours Luana, IA. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:37 AM, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > Are you Gents happy with the intercom on the Icom A-210? > > I gather the squelch is OK if set or may be not good for loud cockpit? > > Good bad ugly, would you do it again or would you add a dedicated > intercom? > > Thanks George. > >


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    Time: 05:13:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question)
    From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@gmail.com>
    Kevin - have you ruled out the antenna & connections by trying another one? Like you, I also tried building the Mike Dwyer, but could never get the VSWR dialed in properly. I finally bought a Bob Archer. Sam On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@neitel.net> wrote: > The intercom function on my unit has been fine. Once I got the squelch set. > The directions were not very clear. Or I did not read them correctly. I > think the translation leaves something to be desired.I am having a problem > with reception. It is intermittent. Sent it back once, and now have to send > it back again. I loose reception, and it is hard to tell. After a while of > silence, I realize that it is quiet. Change frequencies to AWOS or such, and > get part of a reception, then out. Cycle the switch Off-On and then receive > the broadcast. > The support > has been good, but the radio is getting more flight time than the plane. They seem hesitant to replace it with a new one. > Hope I don't have to get serious with them. > > Kevin Boddicker > Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours > Luana, IA. > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:37 AM, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > > Are you Gents happy with the intercom on the Icom A-210? > > I gather the squelch is OK if set or may be not good for loud cockpit? > > Good bad ugly, would you do it again or would you add a dedicated intercom? > > Thanks George. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 07:28:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID
    22735)
    From: "nuckollsr" <bob.nuckolls@aeroelectric.com>
    Hmmm . . . sounds like more than one problem. First, you can KNOW if your rectifier/regulator is working properly with an accurate voltmeter. The absolute minimum bus voltage after you've been flying for awhile is 13.8 volts. The best voltage setting for use on airplanes or other low duty-cycle vehicles (a few hours per week) is 14.2 to 14.4 volts. Your battery should be checked for load-bearing ability. Use a service station style load tester like http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Battery_Testers/HF91129_4.jpg For a 17 a.h. battery, crank the load current up until the battery voltage as read on the meter is 9 volts. Keep adjusting the current to maintain 9 volt reading for 15 seconds (this particular device has built in timer) and not the current after the time has expired. A healthy 17 a.h. battery will still be putting out 300 plus amps. A 12 a.h. battery will be in the 200 amp range. Test values below these numbers will give rise to suspicions of poor cranking performance due to battery condition. The fact that you need to jumper the battery for routine starting says the battery is not being properly charged, the batter is going soft, the starter is drawing an inordinate amount of current or some combination of these three. Cooked wires says they're too small or the starter is drawing too much current . . . or some combination of these two. Check your starter current while cranking (use jumpers if necessary) by measuring with . . . http://www.hoytmeter.com/products/Models_629_Starter_Current_Indicators.html Compare your readings with another airplane with same engine/starer. But I would suspect that anything over 150 amps is too much and suggests a starter motor problem. The existence of a diode (or lack thereof) on the starter contactor has no effect on the considerations cited above. Bob . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251931#251931


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    Time: 07:53:44 AM PST US
    From: Rodney Dunham <rdunhamtn@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Connection of the starter relay (STARTER SOLENOID
    22735) Johann=2C I built a Rotax 912 powered SkyRanger and a Jabiru 3300 powered Sonex. I noticed in the Schicke GR6 documentation that they suggested using 6AWG w ire for power and ground. Some of my friends have used this gauge wire and they too have "weak starter" issues. My power and ground wires are 4AWG wel ders cable soldered on like this... http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/big_term.pdf The trick is to jam as much solid copper wire as you can into the lug prior to soldering=2C get the solder flowing and get out before you overdo it. My starters spin rapidly=2C my motors always start quickly (even in the col d) and the wires don't get hot. One other tip... The "internal" ground may be poor. Be sure to brighten all mounting nuts/bolts/studs and apply antioxidant grease (Vaseline will do i n a pinch) and re-torque to specs. Don't over-torque. Hope this helps and hope anyone more knowledgeable than myself can correct any misinformation I may have posted. Rodney in Tennessee _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290


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    Time: 08:40:28 AM PST US
    From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@neitel.net>
    Subject: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Question)
    I have tried another one, but not to test this problem. I did send Mike Dwyer my VSWR numbers and he said they were on the money. I built his antenna, and used new high $ coax and ends from SteinAir. I have also talked to others on 122.75 at a distance of over 150 miles. It was not loud, but clear. I think there is an internal problem with this unit. I will let you know when it comes back from Icom. I am sending it in today. Kevin On Jul 7, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Sam Hoskins wrote: > Kevin - have you ruled out the antenna & connections by trying > another one? Like you, I also tried building the Mike Dwyer, but > could never get the VSWR dialed in properly. I finally bought a > Bob Archer. > > Sam > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Kevin Boddicker > <trumanst@neitel.net> wrote: > The intercom function on my unit has been fine. Once I got the > squelch set. The directions were not very clear. Or I did not read > them correctly. I think the translation leaves something to be > desired. > I am having a problem with reception. It is intermittent. Sent it > back once, and now have to send it back again. I loose reception, > and it is hard to tell. After a while of silence, I realize that it > is quiet. Change frequencies to AWOS or such, and get part of a > reception, then out. Cycle the switch Off-On and then receive the > broadcast. > The support has been good, but the radio is getting more flight > time than the plane. They seem hesitant to replace it with a new > one. Hope I don't have to get serious with them. > > Kevin Boddicker > Tri Q 200 N7868B 135 hours > Luana, IA. > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:37 AM, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Are you Gents happy with the intercom on the Icom A-210? >> >> I gather the squelch is OK if set or may be not good for loud >> cockpit? >> >> Good bad ugly, would you do it again or would you add a dedicated >> intercom? >> >> Thanks George. >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// >> www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? > AeroElectric-List > a>http://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 09:16:44 AM PST US
    From: "Wade Roe" <wroe1@dbtech.net>
    Subject: Spike catcher diode
    On the stock Van's battery contactor, there is only three terminals (two 5 1/6 and one 3/16 front and center). I am unsure where to install the IN5400 diode. Can anyone comment on proper placement? Also, what about the diode placement on the Van's stock starter contactor? Please excuse my very "green" hands regarding electronics.learning! Thanks! Wade Roe EAA 557 Aeronca 7AC flying RV-7 nearing completion -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode At 11:09 AM 7/3/2009, you wrote: I have the stock Van's master and starter contactors. Does anyone know if either of these items have internal diodes? Also, what size diode should be used on the starter contactor assuming an external is needed? I'm referencing AEC Z-13/8. Thanks! The master certainly would not. The starter MIGHT and would say so stamped on the under side of the mounting flange. In any case, two suppressors are better than no suppressors. There are no rectifier diodes you can pick that will be at-risk for electrical overload. My personal favorites are the electrical over-kill (but mechanically robust) 1N540x series. These are really inexpensive and available from Radio Shack and others . . . http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/RS_Diodes.jpg The 1A, 1N400x series are electrically quite adequate but more fragile. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) ---------------------------------------


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    Time: 09:55:35 AM PST US
    From: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
    Subject: Re: Spike catcher diode
    Hi Wade, You need to put the diode directly across the coil with the cathode (the end marked with a stripe) connected to +12V. On a three terminal contactor, +12V is on the terminal connected to the battery. Then connect the anode to the small terminal used to actuate the relay. Attached drawings lifted out of one of Bob's publications. On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:53:39 -0500 "Wade Roe" <wroe1@dbtech.net> wrote: > On the stock Van's battery contactor, there is only three terminals (two > 5 1/6 and one 3/16 front and center). I am unsure where to install the > IN5400 diode. Can anyone comment on proper placement? Also, what about > the diode placement on the Van's stock starter contactor? Please excuse > my very "green" hands regarding electronics.learning! > > Thanks! > > Wade Roe > > EAA 557 > Aeronca 7AC flying > RV-7 nearing completion > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Robert L. Nuckolls, III > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:33 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode > > At 11:09 AM 7/3/2009, you wrote: > > > I have the stock Van's master and starter contactors. Does anyone know > if either of these items have internal diodes? Also, what size diode > should be used on the starter contactor assuming an external is needed? > I'm referencing AEC Z-13/8. Thanks! > > The master certainly would not. The starter MIGHT > and would say so stamped on the under side of > the mounting flange. In any case, two suppressors > are better than no suppressors. > > There are no rectifier diodes you can pick that > will be at-risk for electrical overload. My personal > favorites are the electrical over-kill (but > mechanically robust) 1N540x series. These > are really inexpensive and available from > Radio Shack and others . . . > > http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/RS_Diodes.jpg > > The 1A, 1N400x series are electrically quite > adequate but more fragile. > > > > Bob . . . > > --------------------------------------- > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > --------------------------------------- > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/


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    Time: 09:56:52 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Spike catcher diode
    Vertical Power has a nice document explaining contactor wiring. http://www.verticalpower.com/docs/Contactor_Wiring.pdf bob From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wade Roe Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode On the stock Van's battery contactor, there is only three terminals (two 5 1/6 and one 3/16 front and center). I am unsure where to install the IN5400 diode. Can anyone comment on proper placement? Also, what about the diode placement on the Van's stock starter contactor? Please excuse my very "green" hands regarding electronics.learning! Thanks! Wade Roe EAA 557 Aeronca 7AC flying RV-7 nearing completion -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode At 11:09 AM 7/3/2009, you wrote: I have the stock Van's master and starter contactors. Does anyone know if either of these items have internal diodes? Also, what size diode should be used on the starter contactor assuming an external is needed? I'm referencing AEC Z-13/8. Thanks! The master certainly would not. The starter MIGHT and would say so stamped on the under side of the mounting flange. In any case, two suppressors are better than no suppressors. There are no rectifier diodes you can pick that will be at-risk for electrical overload. My personal favorites are the electrical over-kill (but mechanically robust) 1N540x series. These are really inexpensive and available from Radio Shack and others . . . http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/RS_Diodes.jpg The 1A, 1N400x series are electrically quite adequate but more fragile. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:58:20 AM PST US
    From: "Wade Roe" <wroe1@dbtech.net>
    Subject: Spike catcher diode
    Thanks for the comments. The Vertical Power doc. is nicely done. Wade Roe EAA 557 Aeronca 7AC flying RV-7 nearing completion -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode Vertical Power has a nice document explaining contactor wiring. http://www.verticalpower.com/docs/Contactor_Wiring.pdf bob From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wade Roe Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode On the stock Van's battery contactor, there is only three terminals (two 5 1/6 and one 3/16 front and center). I am unsure where to install the IN5400 diode. Can anyone comment on proper placement? Also, what about the diode placement on the Van's stock starter contactor? Please excuse my very "green" hands regarding electronics.learning! Thanks! Wade Roe EAA 557 Aeronca 7AC flying RV-7 nearing completion -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Spike catcher diode At 11:09 AM 7/3/2009, you wrote: I have the stock Van's master and starter contactors. Does anyone know if either of these items have internal diodes? Also, what size diode should be used on the starter contactor assuming an external is needed? I'm referencing AEC Z-13/8. Thanks! The master certainly would not. The starter MIGHT and would say so stamped on the under side of the mounting flange. In any case, two suppressors are better than no suppressors. There are no rectifier diodes you can pick that will be at-risk for electrical overload. My personal favorites are the electrical over-kill (but mechanically robust) 1N540x series. These are really inexpensive and available from Radio Shack and others . . . http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/RS_Diodes.jpg The 1A, 1N400x series are electrically quite adequate but more fragile. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 06:41:08 PM PST US
    From: Ron Quillin <rjquillin@gmail.com>
    Subject: Inspection camera
    Huge long thread here and perhaps I missed some of the discussion... HF had them on sale plus I had a 20% off coupon; had to bite. Finally got around to playing with it. Pretty cute, but... The manual has no mention of focal distances. For some reason I expected some form of adjustment; nada. About the closest it seemed to focus was ~4 inches. Tried to read some text and stamped serial numbers; nearly impossible. Were any planning on using this for any form of detailed inspection, or just a "what's in there" look-see? As cute as it is, I'm finding it difficult to find an application where any detail at all is required. Others having different results? Ron Q. At 15:21 6/17/2009, you wrote: >I played with it last night and took the monitor two rooms away from >the camera and still had a picture... ><snip> > >It looks like the newer models that Ridgid is still selling under >their own name, no longer have that option. > >Harley


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    Time: 06:43:35 PM PST US
    From: Ron Quillin <rjquillin@gmail.com>
    Subject: Inspection camera
    Apologies; found more of the thread. Looks like others too are also finding close work not great. Any further opinions? >Huge long thread here and perhaps I missed some of the discussion... >HF had them on sale plus I had a 20% off coupon; had to bite. >Finally got around to playing with it. >Pretty cute, but... >The manual has no mention of focal distances. >For some reason I expected some form of adjustment; nada. >About the closest it seemed to focus was ~4 inches. >Tried to read some text and stamped serial numbers; nearly impossible. > >Were any planning on using this for any form of detailed inspection, >or just a "what's in there" look-see? > >As cute as it is, I'm finding it difficult to find an application >where any detail at all is required. >Others having different results? > >Ron Q.


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    Time: 08:03:24 PM PST US
    From: <ronburnett@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Inspection camera
    In my hangar we fight mud dobbers and I will look through the wing inspection holes and be able to tell them at 4" or greater. It'll be worth it for me for just that use. Ron Burnett N1131B-8A Moscow Mills, MO -- ---- Ron Quillin <rjquillin@gmail.com> wrote: ============ Apologies; found more of the thread. Looks like others too are also finding close work not great. Any further opinions? >Huge long thread here and perhaps I missed some of the discussion... >HF had them on sale plus I had a 20% off coupon; had to bite. >Finally got around to playing with it. >Pretty cute, but... >The manual has no mention of focal distances. >For some reason I expected some form of adjustment; nada. >About the closest it seemed to focus was ~4 inches. >Tried to read some text and stamped serial numbers; nearly impossible. > >Were any planning on using this for any form of detailed inspection, >or just a "what's in there" look-see? > >As cute as it is, I'm finding it difficult to find an application >where any detail at all is required. >Others having different results? > >Ron Q.


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    Time: 11:22:37 PM PST US
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