---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/25/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:43 AM - Voltage Drops/Amps, Cabbages and Kings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: [Bulk] ZU-TAF: Belem To U.S. Virgin Islands Has Launched (S. Ramirez) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Sam Hoskins) 5. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Lee KR-2 System Architecture (Bob Lee) 7. 03:02 PM - Re: Icom A-210 intercom (Thruster87) 8. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: Lee KR-2 System Architecture (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:43 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Voltage Drops/Amps, Cabbages and Kings At 06:16 PM 7/24/2009, you wrote: > > >From my experience debugging problems like this, it always helps to have >an extra set of eyes (hopefully with a brain behind them) to which I >explain how the system is supposed to work. This is a CORE COMPONENT of every successful skunk-werks venture. While privileged to be an employee of the targets business unit at Beech/RAC/HBC, every time a program or portion of a program wan in trouble, a meeting was called. In some organizations, such meetings are uncomfortable events entered with foreboding. The mind-set of many folks walking in was to figure out ways to avoid blame. If one leaves with less stress, it's probably because they were not found at fault and some other poor sap was taking the hit. My leaders and colleagues both understood recipes for success demonstrated many times in the past by the likes of Kettering, Johnson, Kay, Beech, Lear, et. als. They understood that it's a rare mind that can grasp the totality of a program and that the intellectual whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Meetings at the Beech targets unit were always something to be welcomed . . . anyone walking in with a problem walked out with new insight, additional support, a map for future learning. Everyone walked out with a sense of accomplishment. This isn't about, positions of hierarchy or competition. It's about the joy of finding things out (being a good student) and then sharing that understanding with others (being a good teacher). We were all diligent students of the ideas demonstrated by participants of the original Skunk Works. I suggest that we would do well to bring the same goals to the activity here on the List. Our skunk-werks isn't a single facility, it's thousands of facilities scattered all over the planet. We're not working one momentous task to be delivered in 180 days, we have thousands of projects that will take years. But the task is the same. Produce machines that perform to design goals operated by pilots who understand how those goals were selected, achieved and maintained. Meetings at the Matronics List Servers should always be something to be welcomed . . . anyone posting a problem or sharing an idea should look forward to achieving new insight, additional support for a problem, and map for future learning. It would be well if everyone who takes the time to participate or simply observe happenings on the Lists walk away with a sense of accomplishment. Our teachers were not carving a place in history for themselves, they were striving to share their understanding with as many folks as possible. They knew that the more times good ideas and recipes for success are shared, the more valuable they become. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom A-210 intercom At 10:50 PM 7/24/2009, you wrote: > >Icom A210 receiving and transmitting just fine but the bloody >intercom won't co-operate at all.I must be missing something in the >menu setup so any help would be appreciated. Cheers Can you describe your observations of symptoms? "Won't cooperate" as a symptom does not bring ideas to mind. The intercom function of most of the small radios is a "hot mic" activated by a push to talk button that simply engages the transmitter's side tone (listen to yourself) feature. Hence no squelch adjustment for voice activated opening of the signal channel . . . and no separate volume control for intercom versus receiver. This is an exceedingly minimalist (but very robust) approach to an intercom function. However, it is nothing like that which is found in most airplanes. Perhaps it's working as intended but you're expecting something different? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:14 AM PST US From: "S. Ramirez" Subject: RE: [Bulk] AeroElectric-List: ZU-TAF: Belem To U.S. Virgin Islands Has Launched I see on Google Earth that they've landed at H.S. Truman airport in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Never mind what happened crossing the Atlantic. That's ancient history! :) Simon Ramirez Copyright 2009 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] AeroElectric-List: ZU-TAF: Belem To U.S. Virgin Islands Has Launched I watched them as they crossed the Atlantic..21 hours! I think they are nuts! They needed 440 liters of gas to make the crossing. They were carrying 450 liters! B2 _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of S. Ramirez Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [Bulk] AeroElectric-List: ZU-TAF: Belem To U.S. Virgin Islands Has Launched I see that Mark and James of ZU-TAF fame have launched from Belem, Brasil and are headed to the U.S. Virgin Islands. These two guys and their airplane are incredible! I'm observing their flight path and their present location on Google Earth per Jay Hyde's earlier posting/weblink, which I'm including below. Thanks, Jay! http://www.airplanefactory.co.za/world/default.asp Simon Ramirez Copyright 2009 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom A-210 intercom From: Sam Hoskins Here is the installation diagram and operating manual http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/avionics/panelmount/a210/default.aspx On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III< nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > > > At 10:50 PM 7/24/2009, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Icom A210 receiving and transmitting just fine but the bloody intercom >> won't co-operate at all.I must be missing something in the menu setup so any >> help would be appreciated. Cheers > > Can you describe your observations of symptoms? > "Won't cooperate" as a symptom does not bring ideas > to mind. > > The intercom function of most of the small radios > is a "hot mic" activated by a push to talk button > that simply engages the transmitter's side tone > (listen to yourself) feature. Hence no squelch > adjustment for voice activated opening of the > signal channel . . . and no separate volume control > for intercom versus receiver. This is an exceedingly > minimalist (but very robust) approach to an intercom > function. However, it is nothing like that which is found > in most airplanes. Perhaps it's working as intended > but you're expecting something different? > > > Bob . . . > > --------------------------------------- > ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) > ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) > ( appearance of being right . . . ) > ( ) > ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) > --------------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:45 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom A-210 intercom At 09:09 AM 7/25/2009, you wrote: >Here is the installation diagram and operating manual >http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/avionics/panelmount/a210/default.aspx > Aha! This is more to this little critter than I realized. I might have expected this from Icom. I'll have to study up. Thanks for the heads-up. In the mean time "Thruster87" might we know your name along with a better description of the problems you're having? Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:29 PM PST US From: "Bob Lee" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Lee KR-2 System Architecture Lectric Bob, You said: <> Are you still praying, or did you decide to exercise my design of using z14 for the engine (electrionic ignition, fuel pumps alternators and batteries) and z13 (main bus and e-bus) for everything else? Regards, Bob Lee N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA USA 92% done only 67% to go! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:03 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Icom A-210 intercom From: "Thruster87" Hi Bob,I was expecting it to just activate [intercom] without a separate button,so one just speaks and the other person hears you.Pressing the PTT it transmits OK and the passenger can also hear what you say and both can hear just fine the incoming calls.I have not tried connecting the intercom switch to pin 10 Intercom IN and joining to pin 9 PTT + as I understand it,it should not require this switch to operate as a VOX intercom. Cheers Alan [610xl builder almost ready to start taxi run testing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254719#254719 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:42 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Lee KR-2 System Architecture At 03:59 PM 7/25/2009, you wrote: > >Lectric Bob, > >You said: > >< for a few days . . .>> > >Are you still praying, or did you decide to exercise my design of using z14 >for the engine (electrionic ignition, fuel pumps alternators and batteries) >and z13 (main bus and e-bus) for everything else? I've got a plan. The kids are down for the weekend and my grandson is looking for a lot of grandpa-time. But I'll do a system for Corvair engines. It will become Z-9. 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