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1. 07:13 AM - Battery Chargers and Maintainers (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 08:39 AM - $99.00 weather plus (Sam Hoskins)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Battery Chargers and Maintainers (Joe Ronco)
4. 09:44 AM - Re: $99.00 weather plus (thomas sargent)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: Battery Chargers and Maintainers (Matt Prather)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: $99.00 weather plus (Sam Hoskins)
7. 10:23 AM - Re: $99.00 weather plus (David E. Nelson)
8. 10:55 AM - Re: $99.00 weather plus (Ernest Christley)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: $99.00 weather plus (David E. Nelson)
10. 12:13 PM - Silver plating (rparigor@SUFFOLK.LIB.NY.US)
11. 12:13 PM - Re: Two Alternators, one Ammeter? (Brooks Wolfe)
12. 06:18 PM - Check this out (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 10:30 PM - Re: Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades (James Robinson)
14. 10:45 PM - Re: Check this out (Ray)
15. 11:06 PM - Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch starting (messydeer)
16. 11:12 PM - Re: ROCHESTER FUEL LEVEL INDICATOR WIRING (Thruster87)
17. 11:40 PM - Re: Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch starting (Jay Hyde)
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Subject: | Battery Chargers and Maintainers |
I've received some direct emails from folks who were upset
about what they perceived as a poo-pooing of someone's work
in describing the current market choices in battery chargers.
I've not read the article and what I wrote was not directed
at the author nor toward any of the products he described.
Let's look at it this way:
Suppose you get up some early Sunday morning back in the
days of 12 VHF channels on TV and while sipping your coffee,
every stop while flipping through the channels presents you
with some guy who is VERY enthusiastic about HIS
particular fishing product.
You are persuasively "educated" on the merits of various means
by which aquatic life can be extracted from the wild. You
might have Mr. Ronco pitching the pocket fisherman on one
channel. Somebody else may be trying to convince you to take
out a mortgage on your first born and join the ranks of
the crabbers in the Bearing Sea. Certainly the range of
fishing gear and the applications they address can cover
a huge range of capability and cost.
On none of those infomercials will it be suggested that
you establish design goals, budgets and utilization
profiles that allow you to judge return on investment
for your purchase. Indeed, there are many $20K bass-rigs
sitting in folks back yards where the owner wishes he
had is money back!
Every one of those purveyors of marvelous fishing products
can go through his 1/2 hour pitch without ever having
lied to you. Each product will perform as advertised.
But since his goal is to convince you that you need his
product, the last thing he wants to do is suggest tools
for decision making that put his sales at risk.
Further, you may well find that the most practical
solution to a fishing task isn't even offered on T.V.
Your kid may come home some day with a string he
caught using a hook, personally captured bait, 20'
of monofilament and a wine cork as a float. "Lookit
here dad. Caught these guys off the 21st street bridge
with less than 50 cents worth of gear!" I can
confidently suggest that the kid's return on investment
was pretty good.
Certainly the battery charging marketplace is flooded
with the ability to do a great deal. Jelly-bean
microprocessors and compact power electronics has
opened a floodgate of opportunities. Just check though
the patents on ideas for charging and testing batteries.
However, the bottom line for getting good utility out
of our battery purchases remains unchanged for nearly
a century. No matter how many bells and whistles are
built into your battery chargers and/or test tools,
it's still up to YOU to set goals and craft processes
by which those goals will be met at an expenditure of $time$
you're willing to pay. The elegant solution is
invariably the one with highest benefit/cost ratio.
Quite often, the supper-whippy, platinum plated battery
charger is DEPENDED upon to make some poor sap's battery
last forever. The sad truths are discovered and the
dependence proven irrational when a battery fails
to perform at some critical time in the future.
Nobody's enthusiasm for selling you a battery charger
will replace or even slightly relieve YOU of the need
for understanding how YOUR battery does or does not
work and tailoring YOUR processes and tools to the
task for meeting YOUR alternator-out endurance goals.
Bob . . .
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( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
( )
( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | $99.00 weather plus |
I am forwarding this from the Q-List. I thought it is pretty cool and will
try it, next time I fly, with my new wife's kitchen digital TV.
I'd like to hear a few more flight reports.
Sam
www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
I just happened to pick up a 7inch digital portable T-V and took it for a
> ride in the sky. Made a small mount up at the sun visor center bolt that
> will till the t-v up and out of the way and also can be removed easy. I live
> at least 60 miles from the nearest city and could pick up the local wx
> digital stations after a few hundred feet above ground. At 1000 ft. I was
> getting up to 40 chanels. A trip that took me from N-W Ohio to southern KY.
> I had continuous Wx the whole trip and back. Each city I got close to I
> rescaned for new channels and had gread reception with the T-V antenna
> pulled out only 6inches. This T-V has a rechargeabe battery that has a 2
> hour time and with the sound to 0 I still had battery power after 3hours of
> flying. Also has a remote for us guys. The price for the yearly subcription
> $00.00 And to think I was looking at XM weather... NOT
> Flying can be great if we just help each other find ways to save $$
> Mark, Q200 in the works
>
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Subject: | Battery Chargers and Maintainers |
BOB: Just a point of clarification, the Mr. Ronco that you referred to is
really Ron Popeil who made a fortune selling the Pocket Fisherman, the
Veg-O-Matic and Rotisserie Grill among many others. I wish that his name was
Ronco and that I was related to him for obvious reasons. I don't know how
many times I have been asked about being related.
Joe Ronco
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery Chargers and Maintainers
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
I've received some direct emails from folks who were upset
about what they perceived as a poo-pooing of someone's work
in describing the current market choices in battery chargers.
I've not read the article and what I wrote was not directed
at the author nor toward any of the products he described.
Let's look at it this way:
Suppose you get up some early Sunday morning back in the
days of 12 VHF channels on TV and while sipping your coffee,
every stop while flipping through the channels presents you
with some guy who is VERY enthusiastic about HIS
particular fishing product.
You are persuasively "educated" on the merits of various means
by which aquatic life can be extracted from the wild. You
might have Mr. Ronco pitching the pocket fisherman on one
channel. Somebody else may be trying to convince you to take
out a mortgage on your first born and join the ranks of
the crabbers in the Bearing Sea. Certainly the range of
fishing gear and the applications they address can cover
a huge range of capability and cost.
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Subject: | Re: $99.00 weather plus |
I was unaware that the same nexrad info on XM was broadcast locally. I
thought I knew all my local digital channels bu I haven't seen it. How do I
find this ?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am forwarding this from the Q-List. I thought it is pretty cool and will
> try it, next time I fly, with my new wife's kitchen digital TV.
>
> I'd like to hear a few more flight reports.
>
> Sam
> www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
>
>
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Tom Sargent
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Subject: | Battery Chargers and Maintainers |
Wow. I feel I am in heady company.. I noticed a recently that Al Franken
was posting on here with interesting electrical questions and thought
about how small this world is sometimes.. Now we have someone tied to
infomercial genius. :) (I understand, you _aren't_ related to Ron
Popeil.. Just having a little fun. :) Then again, maybe you should try
to capitalize on the possible confusion. )
Matt-
do not archive
> BOB: Just a point of clarification, the Mr. Ronco that you referred to is
> really Ron Popeil who made a fortune selling the Pocket Fisherman, the
> Veg-O-Matic and Rotisserie Grill among many others. I wish that his name
> was
> Ronco and that I was related to him for obvious reasons. I don't know how
> many times I have been asked about being related.
>
>
> Joe Ronco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> L.
> Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery Chargers and Maintainers
>
>
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
>
> I've received some direct emails from folks who were upset
>
> about what they perceived as a poo-pooing of someone's work
>
> in describing the current market choices in battery chargers.
>
> I've not read the article and what I wrote was not directed
>
> at the author nor toward any of the products he described.
>
> Let's look at it this way:
>
>
> Suppose you get up some early Sunday morning back in the
>
> days of 12 VHF channels on TV and while sipping your coffee,
>
> every stop while flipping through the channels presents you
>
> with some guy who is VERY enthusiastic about HIS
>
> particular fishing product.
>
>
> You are persuasively "educated" on the merits of various means
>
> by which aquatic life can be extracted from the wild. You
>
> might have Mr. Ronco pitching the pocket fisherman on one
>
> channel. Somebody else may be trying to convince you to take
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Subject: | Re: $99.00 weather plus |
I don't know much abnout it yet, but the digital stations have extra
channels. For instance
6-1 HD is Channel 6's regular format
6.2 WX is Channel 6's weather format.
It has nothing to do with XM, I think.
Sam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM, thomas sargent <sarg314@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was unaware that the same nexrad info on XM was broadcast locally. I
> thought I knew all my local digital channels bu I haven't seen it. How do I
> find this ?
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am forwarding this from the Q-List. I thought it is pretty cool and
>> will try it, next time I fly, with my new wife's kitchen digital TV.
>>
>> I'd like to hear a few more flight reports.
>>
>> Sam
>> www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Tom Sargent
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: $99.00 weather plus |
Hi Sam,
What an incredible idea! Went to amazon and searched for 'digital portable tv'
and got about a dozen options for less $140 (most around $100-120 mark). I
wonder if any of them have either transreflective displays or displays that are
bright enought to be seen in the sun?
/\/elson
~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Sam Hoskins wrote:
> I am forwarding this from the Q-List. I thought it is pretty cool and will try
it, next time I fly, with my new wife's kitchen digital TV.
>
> I'd like to hear a few more flight reports.
>
> Sam
> www.samhoskins.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> I just happened to pick up a 7inch digital portable T-V and took it for
a ride in the sky. Made a small mount up at the sun visor center bolt that will
till the t-v up and out of
> the way and also can be removed easy. I live at least 60 miles from the
nearest city and could pick up the local wx digital stations after a few hundred
feet above ground. At 1000
> ft. I was getting up to 40 chanels. A trip that took me from N-W Ohio to
southern KY. I had continuous Wx the whole trip and back. Each city I got close
to I rescaned for new
> channels and had gread reception with the T-V antenna pulled out only 6inches.
This T-V has a rechargeabe battery that has a 2 hour time and with the
sound to 0 I still had battery
> power after 3hours of flying. Also has a remote for us guys. The price
for the yearly subcription $00.00 And to think I was looking at XM weather...
NOT
> Flying can be great if we just help each other find ways to save $$
> Mark, Q200 in the works
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Subject: | Re: $99.00 weather plus |
David E. Nelson wrote:
> I wonder if any of them have either transreflective displays or
> displays that are bright enought to be seen in the sun?
>
If it is so sunny that you can't see the weather on the TV, do you
REALLY need the TV to tell you what the weather is like? 8*)
Heh, just askin', ya' know.
--
Ernest Christley, President
Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
TechnicalTakedown, LLC
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
101 Steep Bank Dr.
Cary, NC 27518
(919) 741-9397
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Subject: | Re: $99.00 weather plus |
Ahhh, but then my passenger is watching movies! ;)
/\/elson
~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Ernest Christley wrote:
> <echristley@nc.rr.com>
>
> David E. Nelson wrote:
>> I wonder if any of them have either transreflective displays or displays
>> that are bright enought to be seen in the sun?
>>
> If it is so sunny that you can't see the weather on the TV, do you REALLY
> need the TV to tell you what the weather is like? 8*)
>
> Heh, just askin', ya' know.
>
> --
> Ernest Christley, President
> Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
>
> TechnicalTakedown, LLC
> www.TechnicalTakedown.com
> 101 Steep Bank Dr.
> Cary, NC 27518
> (919) 741-9397
>
>
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Hi ernest
What's your thoughts on silver plating magic powder I
sent you?
I did a test putting samples outside, copper very
tarnished, silver holding up well. On plane my thin wide crossfeed made
out of copper is very tarnished and silver looks still fine.
Thx.
Ron P.
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted
by: Ernest Christley
> <echristley@nc.rr.com>
>
> David E. Nelson wrote:
>> I wonder if any of them
have either transreflective displays or
>> displays that are
bright enought to be seen in the sun?
>>
> If it is
so sunny that you can't see the weather on the TV, do you
>
REALLY need the TV to tell you what the weather is like? 8*)
>
> Heh, just askin', ya' know.
>
> --
>
Ernest Christley, President
> Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
>
> TechnicalTakedown, LLC
>
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
> 101 Steep Bank Dr.
> Cary,
NC 27518
> (919) 741-9397
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Subject: | Re: Two Alternators, one Ammeter? |
Just what I'm looking for.. Thanks!
Brooks
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While web-searching another task, I stumbled across this
bit . . .
http://nutsandboltsfoundation.org/word-from-john.cfm
. . . do any of you have progeny who've displayed
any sparks of interest in what's happening in YOUR
shop? Here's an interesting organization that not only
senses a demonstrable decay in talent for our formerly
capable, hands-on industries, they've identified an activity
to search out, encourage and mentor young prospects.
I plan visit with the teachers at M.L. High School
early in the school year to see if I can get a sense
of where they're coming from and where they think
their kids are going.
Bob . . .
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( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
( appearance of being right . . . )
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( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
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Subject: | Re: Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades |
Hi Stein
How much could I pick up a good used 430 W to augment my Chelton? I'm not sure
I have panel space in my Glasair, but it would help to evaluate this if I had
an idea the cost. Thanks in advance
Jim
James Robinson
Glasair lll N79R
Spanish Fork UT U77
________________________________
From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:55:29 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Non WAAS GNS-430 Trades
Hi All,
One last note to see if there are any of you floating around out there with
Non WAAS GNS-430's that have zero flight time on them.... A number of you
had responded to my last note about a month or so ago, but my customer still
wants more so I'm checking again. Here's the deal:
I need GNS-430's that are either new in the box, or installed but NEVER
flown (zero flight time). If you have one, we'll trade you a brand spankin
new GNS-430W for your efforts. It sounds to good to be true, but it's not.
One of my customers is a major military contractor who got themselves into a
pickle with a certain project and ended up short on the 430's. The have to
be Non WAAS because they are in Europe, and they need to match the rest of
the fleet.
If you have one, please contact me off list ASAP. I'm sorry but we can't
use "almost new" or "as good as new" or "only one flight" units, they have
to be new never used.
Thanks and have a great week,
Stein
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Subject: | Re: Check this out |
The news may not be as bad as it seems to some.
http://www.instructables.com/
I am subscribed to their email publication and have seen many new ideas
and new uses for old stuff.
I think one problem is that our society doesn't value a jack of all
trades. Specialization is where the money is.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> While web-searching another task, I stumbled across this
> bit . . .
>
> http://nutsandboltsfoundation.org/word-from-john.cfm
>
> . . . do any of you have progeny who've displayed
> any sparks of interest in what's happening in YOUR
> shop? Here's an interesting organization that not only
> senses a demonstrable decay in talent for our formerly
> capable, hands-on industries, they've identified an activity
> to search out, encourage and mentor young prospects.
>
> I plan visit with the teachers at M.L. High School
> early in the school year to see if I can get a sense
> of where they're coming from and where they think
> their kids are going.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> ---------------------------------------
> ( . . . a long habit of not thinking )
> ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial )
> ( appearance of being right . . . )
> ( )
> ( -Thomas Paine 1776- )
> ---------------------------------------
>
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Subject: | Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch |
starting
Right now I'm starting to draw up my electrical schematic using Z-20 as a guideline
for my Jabiru 3300. Z-20 shows a 1-3 switch for each ignition and a separate
push starter switch. I read in chapter 11 of the AEC that a 2-50 switch could
be used to combine the starter switch with one of the ignition switches, thereby
eliminating one switch. I assume this would be a good idea, since it is
one less thing to buy, install, and have break.
But I am a little confused on the wiring, both of this particular config and of
magneto wiring in general. There is a diagram on p11-19 of AEC, but Z-17 doesn't
show enough detail for me. It would be great if I could get the terminal connections
for the two 2-50 (or 2-5) switches, including how the shields are wired
at the engine. It also seems a 1-3 on-off switch would work for the right
mag.
I've heard of 'O' and 'P' leads. As I understand it, the 'P' leads ground to kill
the mags. They are shielded, but seems like I've heard both of grounding just
one end and grounding both ends. Not clear on the physical grounding connections,
either. If you're able to shed some light on this, that would be great!
Thanks,
Dan
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Subject: | Re: ROCHESTER FUEL LEVEL INDICATOR WIRING |
Still trying to get these fuel gauges to work. The sender units are 10-76 ohms
and the ROCHESTER FUEL LEVEL Indicators are 0 - 90 ohms also if I apply 12v
to the sen terminal and put a 45 ohm resister inline to ground on the center terminal
[the center terminal has a metal plate which extends to around the light
bulb hole ] it reads 1/2 way on the gauge which appears to be the correct
value.Still not sure what the ign terminal is used for then !!!! Cheers Alan
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Subject: | Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch |
starting
Hi there Dan,
I also considered using the 2-50 switches but decided to use a separate push
button to start because I like to have the ability to crank the engine
without the mags on; sometimes useful for troubleshooting and maintenance.
With the 2-50 switches you have to have both mags on to crank.
South African Jay
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle
switch starting
Right now I'm starting to draw up my electrical schematic using Z-20 as a
guideline for my Jabiru 3300. Z-20 shows a 1-3 switch for each ignition and
a separate push starter switch. I read in chapter 11 of the AEC that a 2-50
switch could be used to combine the starter switch with one of the ignition
switches, thereby eliminating one switch. I assume this would be a good
idea, since it is one less thing to buy, install, and have break.
But I am a little confused on the wiring, both of this particular config and
of magneto wiring in general. There is a diagram on p11-19 of AEC, but Z-17
doesn't show enough detail for me. It would be great if I could get the
terminal connections for the two 2-50 (or 2-5) switches, including how the
shields are wired at the engine. It also seems a 1-3 on-off switch would
work for the right mag.
I've heard of 'O' and 'P' leads. As I understand it, the 'P' leads ground to
kill the mags. They are shielded, but seems like I've heard both of
grounding just one end and grounding both ends. Not clear on the physical
grounding connections, either. If you're able to shed some light on this,
that would be great!
Thanks,
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256461#256461
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_185.pdf
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