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1. 05:10 AM - Coil & ECM (rer51)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: Radio noises (Rodney Dunham)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Radio noises (James H Nelson)
4. 07:56 AM - Wisdom from Military Manuals, etc. (Joe Ronco)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch starting (messydeer)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Radio noises (z747pilot)
7. 12:48 PM - Re: Check this out (Ernest Christley)
8. 01:44 PM - Re: Check this out (Terry Watson)
9. 02:40 PM - Re: Check this out (Richard Girard)
10. 04:01 PM - Re: Check this out (Ray)
11. 05:05 PM - Re: Radio noises (James Robinson)
12. 05:08 PM - Re: Check this out (S. Ramirez)
13. 05:37 PM - Re: Check this out (Chuck Jensen)
14. 06:10 PM - ANL Current limiters (Bob Collins)
15. 06:40 PM - Castaways! (Rodney Dunham)
16. 06:51 PM - Check this out (jaybannist@cs.com)
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Is there a method to test an ignition coil and ECM? I thought the answer
might lie with the electric gurus. Randy R.
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Jeff=2C
Just my $0.02 worth but...
I think your friend suffers from what I consider to be the most common caus
e of dissatisfaction with VHF COMM performance in OBAM aircraft... unrealis
tic expectations!
With all due respect=2C gentlemen...
If the AM background noise is the same during flight as it is on the ground
with the engine off=2C that's as good as it gets.
If=2C while on the ground with the belly mounted antenna inches from the gr
ound and upward radiation blocked by the aircraft itself=2C you can clearly
understand ATC=2C ATIS and another plane 12 miles away=2C that's as good a
s it gets.
The directionality of the "static" and the transmit is not curious at all.
All antennae=2C except "ideal" antennae of urban legend=2C produce a signal
strength pattern that is lobular. That is=2C the radio "reaches out" more
(or less) in certain directions than others. With the antenna on the belly
=2C there are numerous metallic objects nearby=2C like gear legs=2C that se
rve to produce sometimes dramatic and unpredictable signal strength lobes.
So=2C once again=2C that's as good as it gets.
Not sure on this one but... The fact that you can hear ATIS without an ante
nna just serves to underscore how good your radio is(!) and how close you a
re to the ATIS antenna. Bob has mentioned on this forum that we should not
obsess over dimensions of marker beacon antennae because the MB signal is s
o strong and we're flying just dozens of yards over the thing that we'll ge
t the info anyway. This is a similar situation I suspect.
Again=2C if you guys can communicate "very clearly" from 20 miles apart=2C
that's as good as it gets.
"Ideas what should be done next?" Bolt it down=2C adjust the squelch and st
art punching holes in the sky!
Enjoy.
Rodney in Tennessee
Unabashed Nuckollhead
Standard Disclaimer: I'm no avionics engineer. But=2C I plan on staying in
a Holiday Inn Express next month at the American Sonex Association Fly-in i
n Crossville=2C TN.
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Subject: | Re: Radio noises |
Rodney,
Well put. I held a Ham ticket for years and all you have said is
"right on". Of course, Jeff could put an antenna on top (ugly but
better transmitting patterns).
Jim
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Subject: | Wisdom from Military Manuals, etc. |
A little humor since laughter is the best medicine!!!
Wit and Wisdom from Military Manuals, etc.
"A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least
expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit."
- Army's magazine of preventive maintenance.
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"Aim towards the Enemy"
- Instructions printed on U.S. Rocket Launcher
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"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend."
- U.S. Marine Corps
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"Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are
guaranteed always to hit the ground."
- USAF Ammo Troop
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"If the Enemy is in range, so are you."
- Infantry Journal
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"It is generally inadvisable to eject over the area you just bombed"
- U.S. Air Force Manual
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"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never
encountered automatic weapons."
- General MacArthur
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"Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo."
- Infantry Journal
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"You, you, and you. Panic. The rest of you come with me."
- U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. (Mgysgt5)
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"Tracers work both ways."
- U.S. Army Ordnance
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"Five second fuses only last three seconds"
- Infantry Journal
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"Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last, and don't ever volunteer
to do anything.."
- U.S. Navy Swabbie
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"Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid."
- David Hackworth
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"If your attack is going too well, you're walking into an ambush."
- Infantry Journal
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"No combat-ready unit has ever passed inspection."
- Joe Gay
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"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once."
- unknown
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"Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do."
- Unknown Marine Recruit
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"Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you."
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"If you see a bomb technician running, follow him and try to keep up."
- USAF Ammo Troop
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"You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3."
- Paul F. Crickmore (test pilot)
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"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire."
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"Blue water Navy truism: There are more planes in the ocean than submarines
in the sky."
- From an old carrier sailor
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"If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a
helicopter -- and therefore, unsafe."
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"When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane, you always have enough
power left to get you to the scene of the crash."
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"Without munitions, the USAF would be just another expensive flying club."
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"What is the similarity between air traffic controllers and pilots? If a
pilot screws up, the pilot dies; If ATC screws up....The pilot dies."
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"Never trade luck for skill."
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The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are:
"Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" And "Oh S...!"
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"Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers."
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"Airspeed, altitude and brains. Two are always needed to complete the flight
successfully."
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"Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we've never left one up there!"
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"Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag to store dead
batteries."
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"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your flight to a person
on the ground who is incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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"The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; it can just barely kill
you."
- Attributed to Max Stanley (Northrop test pilot)
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"A pilot who doesn't have any fear probably isn't flying his plane to its
maximum."
- Jon McBride, astronaut
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"If you're faced with a forced landing, fly the thing as far into the
crash as possible. "
- Bob Hoover (renowned aerobatic and test pilot)
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"Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you."
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"There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime."
- Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970
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"If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to."
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Basic Flying Rules: "Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near
the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of
ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more
difficult to fly there."
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"You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power
to taxi to the terminal."
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As the test pilot climbs out of the experimental aircraft, having torn off
the wings and tail in the crash landing, the crash truck arrives, the
rescuer sees a bloodied pilot and asks, "What happened?".
The pilot's reply, "I don't know, I just got here myself!"
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Subject: | Re: Magneto Wiring with 2-50 switches and toggle switch |
starting
> I do have one big question that came up while I was copying the mag drawings
from Z-20. The right mag is shown wired to the switch differently than the left.
I don't know why it is shown like that.
Mystery solved. Ian sent me a version "L" of Z-20, which shows the mag switch wires
being identical. I looked through both the rev. 12 and PPS on Bob's site
and it showed "K" as the current version of the PDF. But then I went to the .dwg
files and sure enough, there was version "L".
--------
Dan
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Hey Flyers,
A small formula here that may help you out: take the Square root of the
antennea hight (aircraft hight) and multiply it by 2.23 and this should give
you a rough idea of your VHF range.
Regards,
z747pilot
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodney
Dunham
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Radio noises
Jeff,
Just my $0.02 worth but...
I think your friend suffers from what I consider to be the most common cause
of dissatisfaction with VHF COMM performance in OBAM aircraft... unrealistic
expectations!
With all due respect, gentlemen...
If the AM background noise is the same during flight as it is on the ground
with the engine off, that's as good as it gets.
If, while on the ground with the belly mounted antenna inches from the
ground and upward radiation blocked by the aircraft itself, you can clearly
understand ATC, ATIS and another plane 12 miles away, that's as good as it
gets.
The directionality of the "static" and the transmit is not curious at all.
All antennae, except "ideal" antennae of urban legend, produce a signal
strength pattern that is lobular. That is, the radio "reaches out" more (or
less) in certain directions than others. With the antenna on the belly,
there are numerous metallic objects nearby, like gear legs, that serve to
produce sometimes dramatic and unpredictable signal strength lobes. So, once
again, that's as good as it gets.
Not sure on this one but... The fact that you can hear ATIS without an
antenna just serves to underscore how good your radio is(!) and how close
you are to the ATIS antenna. Bob has mentioned on this forum that we should
not obsess over dimensions of marker beacon antennae because the MB signal
is so strong and we're flying just dozens of yards over the thing that we'll
get the info anyway. This is a similar situation I suspect.
Again, if you guys can communicate "very clearly" from 20 miles apart,
that's as good as it gets.
"Ideas what should be done next?" Bolt it down, adjust the squelch and start
punching holes in the sky!
Enjoy.
Rodney in Tennessee
Unabashed Nuckollhead
Standard Disclaimer: I'm no avionics engineer. But, I plan on staying in a
Holiday Inn Express next month at the American Sonex Association Fly-in in
Crossville, TN.
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Subject: | Re: Check this out |
Terry Watson wrote:
>
> My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this problem is that
> so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid learns that
> if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when something
> breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant seeds and
> assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have known
> all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban lifestyle
> where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want or need,
> but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching kids the
> joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time, or the
> satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> something they built with their own hands.
>
Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own hands.
I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
in a year or so what sort of student I am.
--
Ernest Christley, President
Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
TechnicalTakedown, LLC
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
101 Steep Bank Dr.
Cary, NC 27518
(919) 741-9397
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I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own
experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of the word
"orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up poor is
a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an
interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking about.
I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably buy and
read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on Amazon.com
to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering
through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and
with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This particular
book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in
particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the book is:
http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Christley
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
<echristley@nc.rr.com>
Terry Watson wrote:
<terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this problem is
that
> so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid learns
that
> if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when something
> breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant seeds and
> assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have
known
> all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban lifestyle
> where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want or need,
> but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching kids the
> joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time, or the
> satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> something they built with their own hands.
>
Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own hands.
I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
in a year or so what sort of student I am.
--
Ernest Christley, President
Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
TechnicalTakedown, LLC
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
101 Steep Bank Dr.
Cary, NC 27518
(919) 741-9397
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Subject: | Re: Check this out |
When my son was in his high school in the suburbs of Seattle, Washington was
busy getting rid of all it's shop classes. When we complained, the school
principal replied that all kids would be educated to go to college and if
they wanted to get into trades they could go to an industrial arts school
afterward. This was when all the "experts" said we were going to be an
"information economy". Funny thing though, no one could ever answer my
question as to what that information would be? The latest "star"? The latest
trivia? We certainly wouldn't have any information about making things. And
now we don't make so much anymore. Maybe we can sell information about how
to ruin an economy by surrendering it to bankers and financiers.MHO.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
> terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own
> experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of the word
> "orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up poor
> is
> a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an
> interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking about.
> I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably buy
> and
> read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on
> Amazon.com
> to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering
> through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and
> with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This
> particular
> book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in
> particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the book is:
> http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
> Christley
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
>
> <echristley@nc.rr.com>
>
> Terry Watson wrote:
> <terry@tcwatson.com>
> >
> > My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this problem is
> that
> > so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid learns
> that
> > if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when something
> > breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant seeds
> and
> > assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have
> known
> > all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban lifestyle
> > where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want or need,
> > but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching kids
> the
> > joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time, or the
> > satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> > something they built with their own hands.
> >
> Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
> without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
> things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own hands.
>
> I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
> bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
> castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
> poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
> airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
> in a year or so what sort of student I am.
>
> --
> Ernest Christley, President
> Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
>
> TechnicalTakedown, LLC
> www.TechnicalTakedown.com
> 101 Steep Bank Dr.
> Cary, NC 27518
> (919) 741-9397
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Check this out |
I think a part of it is the curiosity about how things work. I know for
me it was the driving force. Starting at 10 or 11 living in the suburbs
I kept an eye on everyone's trash on pickup day and grabbed anything I
could take apart. (Mom always worried about the electrical things)
Another great source was things at garage sales. Many times I bought
things that were broken so I could disassemble them to see how they
worked. The next thing was tinkering.
I don't know how to instill this kind of curiosity in kids, I don't
know where I got it. I have always tried to provide opportunities for
the youth I have come in contact with take things apart, whether on not
they could put them together again later.
Just my experience.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
Richard Girard wrote:
> When my son was in his high school in the suburbs of Seattle, Washington
> was busy getting rid of all it's shop classes. When we complained, the
> school principal replied that all kids would be educated to go to
> college and if they wanted to get into trades they could go to an
> industrial arts school afterward. This was when all the "experts" said
> we were going to be an "information economy". Funny thing though, no one
> could ever answer my question as to what that information would be? The
> latest "star"? The latest trivia? We certainly wouldn't have any
> information about making things. And now we don't make so much anymore.
> Maybe we can sell information about how to ruin an economy by
> surrendering it to bankers and financiers.
> MHO.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com
> <mailto:terry@tcwatson.com>> wrote:
>
> <terry@tcwatson.com <mailto:terry@tcwatson.com>>
>
> I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own
> experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of
> the word
> "orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up
> poor is
> a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an
> interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking
> about.
> I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably
> buy and
> read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on
> Amazon.com
> to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering
> through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and
> with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This
> particular
> book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in
> particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the
> book is:
> http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5
>
> Terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of
> Ernest
> Christley
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
>
> <echristley@nc.rr.com <mailto:echristley@nc.rr.com>>
>
> Terry Watson wrote:
> <terry@tcwatson.com <mailto:terry@tcwatson.com>>
> >
> > My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this
> problem is
> that
> > so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid
> learns
> that
> > if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when
> something
> > breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant
> seeds and
> > assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have
> known
> > all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban
> lifestyle
> > where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want
> or need,
> > but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching
> kids the
> > joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time,
> or the
> > satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> > something they built with their own hands.
> >
> Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
> without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
> things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own
> hands.
>
> I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
> bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
> castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
> poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
> airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
> in a year or so what sort of student I am.
>
> --
> Ernest Christley, President
> Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
>
> TechnicalTakedown, LLC
> www.TechnicalTakedown.com <http://www.TechnicalTakedown.com>
> 101 Steep Bank Dr.
> Cary, NC 27518
> (919) 741-9397
>
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Subject: | Re: Radio noises |
I'm a little confused with the formula you proposed for simplicity lets
say the antenna height is at 9 feet above ground sq root of 9=3x2.23 =
6.69? ( feet , meters inches miles???)=0A=0A James Robinson=0AGlasair lll
N79R=0ASpanish Fork UT U77=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: z747pilot <z747pilot@verizon.net>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronic
s.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:19:11 AM=0ASubject: RE: AeroElectr
ic-List: Radio noises=0A=0A =0AHey Flyers,=0A =0AA small formula here that
may help you out: take the Square root of =0Athe antennea hight (aircraft h
ight) and multiply it by 2.23 and this should give =0Ayou a rough idea of y
our VHF range.=0A =0ARegards,=0A =0Az747pilot=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0A From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailt
o:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rodney =0ADunh
am=0ASent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:12 AM=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matron
ics.com=0ASubject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Radio =0Anoises=0A=0AJeff,=0A=0AJ
ust my $0.02 worth but...=0A=0AI think your friend =0Asuffers from what I c
onsider to be the most common cause of dissatisfaction with =0AVHF COMM per
formance in OBAM aircraft... unrealistic expectations!=0A=0AWith =0Aall due
respect, gentlemen...=0A=0AIf the AM background noise is the same =0Adurin
g flight as it is on the ground with the engine off, that's as good as it
=0Agets.=0A=0AIf, while on the ground with the belly mounted antenna inches
from =0Athe ground and upward radiation blocked by the aircraft itself, yo
u can clearly =0Aunderstand ATC, ATIS and another plane 12 miles away, that
's as good as it =0Agets.=0A=0AThe directionality of the "static" and the t
ransmit is not curious =0Aat all. All antennae, except "ideal" antennae of
urban legend, produce a signal =0Astrength pattern that is lobular. That is
, the radio "reaches out" more (or =0Aless) in certain directions than othe
rs. With the antenna on the belly, there =0Aare numerous metallic objects n
earby, like gear legs, that serve to produce =0Asometimes dramatic and unpr
edictable signal strength lobes. So, once again, =0Athat's as good as it ge
ts.=0A=0ANot sure on this one but... The fact that you =0Acan hear ATIS wit
hout an antenna just serves to underscore how good your radio =0Ais(!) and
how close you are to the ATIS antenna. Bob has mentioned on this forum =0At
hat we should not obsess over dimensions of marker beacon antennae because
the =0AMB signal is so strong and we're flying just dozens of yards over th
e thing that =0Awe'll get the info anyway. This is a similar situation I su
spect.=0A=0AAgain, =0Aif you guys can communicate "very clearly" from 20 mi
les apart, that's as good =0Aas it gets.=0A=0A"Ideas what should be done ne
xt?" Bolt it down, adjust the =0Asquelch and start punching holes in the sk
y!=0A=0AEnjoy.=0A=0ARodney in =0ATennessee=0AUnabashed Nuckollhead=0A=0ASta
ndard Disclaimer: I'm no avionics =0Aengineer. But, I plan on staying in a
Holiday Inn Express next month at the =0AAmerican Sonex Association Fly-in
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What this says, Rick, is that once our business experts and leaders realize
that a great country cannot be great without manufacturing, they will
attempt to restart manufacturing, but we won't have qualified machinists and
other similar craftsman/tradesmen to do it. We will have to import this
technology and expertise, thus creating a whole new problem. It's too bad
that our present leaders were and are trained in MBA schools to maximize
this quarter's bottom line and not tomorrow's.
Simon Ramirez
Copyright 2009
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Girard
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
When my son was in his high school in the suburbs of Seattle, Washington was
busy getting rid of all it's shop classes. When we complained, the school
principal replied that all kids would be educated to go to college and if
they wanted to get into trades they could go to an industrial arts school
afterward. This was when all the "experts" said we were going to be an
"information economy". Funny thing though, no one could ever answer my
question as to what that information would be? The latest "star"? The latest
trivia? We certainly wouldn't have any information about making things. And
now we don't make so much anymore. Maybe we can sell information about how
to ruin an economy by surrendering it to bankers and financiers.
MHO.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own
experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of the word
"orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up poor is
a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an
interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking about.
I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably buy and
read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on Amazon.com
to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering
through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and
with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This particular
book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in
particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the book is:
http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Christley
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
<echristley@nc.rr.com>
Terry Watson wrote:
<terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this problem is
that
> so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid learns
that
> if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when something
> breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant seeds and
> assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have
known
> all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban lifestyle
> where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want or need,
> but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching kids the
> joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time, or the
> satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> something they built with their own hands.
>
Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own hands.
I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
in a year or so what sort of student I am.
--
Ernest Christley, President
Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
TechnicalTakedown, LLC
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
101 Steep Bank Dr.
Cary, NC 27518
(919) 741-9397
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A concrete example of the impact of lost skills is building of nuclear
power plants. At one point, there were 40-50 new plants, on paper, to
be built over the next 15 years---which was laughable; impossible.
TVA recently was refurbishing one plant and finishing building another
(started 20+ years ago), and they nearly exhausted the supply of
qualified welders, electricians, pipe fitters, engineers and
designers....in the whole country.
This feel good phrase about our becoming an 'information economy' is
voodoo of the first order. It's not that information doesn't exist, or
that it doesn't have value, it's just that to truly create, rather than
just add value, manufacturing or extraction industries are needed.
Manufacturing is well understood, with Boeing being an example. While
mining and fishing are considered extraction industries, so is farming,
and lumber growing.
Wall Street, the ultimate information merchant, is broke and we are
relying on what little manufacturing and extraction industries we have
left to haul us out of the hole.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of S.
Ramirez
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
What this says, Rick, is that once our business experts and leaders
realize that a great country cannot be great without manufacturing, they
will attempt to restart manufacturing, but we won't have qualified
machinists and other similar craftsman/tradesmen to do it. We will have
to import this technology and expertise, thus creating a whole new
problem. It's too bad that our present leaders were and are trained in
MBA schools to maximize this quarter's bottom line and not tomorrow's.
Simon Ramirez
Copyright 2009
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Girard
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
When my son was in his high school in the suburbs of Seattle, Washington
was busy getting rid of all it's shop classes. When we complained, the
school principal replied that all kids would be educated to go to
college and if they wanted to get into trades they could go to an
industrial arts school afterward. This was when all the "experts" said
we were going to be an "information economy". Funny thing though, no one
could ever answer my question as to what that information would be? The
latest "star"? The latest trivia? We certainly wouldn't have any
information about making things. And now we don't make so much anymore.
Maybe we can sell information about how to ruin an economy by
surrendering it to bankers and financiers.
MHO.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Terry Watson < terry@tcwatson.com>
wrote:
terry@tcwatson.com>
I will confess to a strong possibility of prejudice based on my own
experience growing up on a farm, but I don't understand the use of the
word
"orthogonal" in this context. I understand and agree that growing up
poor is
a strong motivation to do things for ones self. I did run across an
interesting book that I think is on the very subject Bob was talking
about.
I downloaded and read the free sample on my Kindle and will probably buy
and
read the book. As an aside, I have discovered the book reviews on
Amazon.com
to be a fascinating source of discovery. It's a little like wandering
through a library and sampling books, but all from your own computer and
with in many cases dozens of thoughtful reviews of the book. This
particular
book is SHOP CLASS AS SOULCRAFT by Matthew B. Crawford. I think Bob in
particular would find it pertinent to his ideas. The link to the book
is:
http://tinyurl.com/nrybq5
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Ernest
Christley
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Check this out
< echristley@nc.rr.com>
Terry Watson wrote:
< terry@tcwatson.com>
>
> My suggestion about a very large contributing factor to this problem
is
that
> so few of us are raised on a farm or ranch anymore. Any farm kid
learns
that
> if something needs doing, you need to be able to do it; when something
> breaks, you need to be able to fix it. To eat, you need to plant seeds
and
> assure their growth, or to be willing to slaughter an animal you have
known
> all its life. I don't know how you translate this into an urban
lifestyle
> where we may be many layers away from the source of what we want or
need,
> but it's a great loss if we can't do it. Maybe it's just teaching kids
the
> joy of working with their head AND their hands at the same time, or
the
> satisfaction of playing with or living in or riding in or flying in
> something they built with their own hands.
>
Nawh, living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own
hands.
I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor, but if I wanted a
bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
poor by any reasonable definition, but I still can't afford a certified
airplane. If I want one, I have to learn to build it myself. We'll see
in a year or so what sort of student I am.
--
Ernest Christley, President
Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
TechnicalTakedown, LLC
www.TechnicalTakedown.com
101 Steep Bank Dr.
Cary, NC 27518
(919) 741-9397
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Subject: | ANL Current limiters |
Bob:
Is there a section in AeroElectric Connection where you discuss the role
of ANL current limiters? I've got revision 11 and I can't seem to find it,
although i've read the book three times. I'm sure it's escaped me.
Many thanks for your continued guidance.
Bob Collins
St. Paul, MN
RV-7A
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Ernest=2C
Loved your post!
When I was about 13=2C one of six kids of a US Navy enlisted man=2C and "po
or" by my kids standards=2C I was being given a tour of the spoiled kid up
the street's garage. He wanted to show off his 10 speed bike. That was in a
bout 1966=2C so 10 speeds were the neatest newest bike thing.
In the corner lay an assortment of bike parts. Castaways! I asked him what
it was and he told me it was a 3 speed bike. I asked if it was all there. H
e replied in the affirmative. I asked how much he wanted for it. He said $3
.50. I said I'll take it!
Now=2C when you're an enlisted man and you're feeding=2C clothing and housi
ng a family of 8=2C the kids don't get allowances or any other form of cash
. We never missed it. We didn't know any better. BUT... I didn't have a bik
e and I really WANTED one.
I mowed lawns for money. If I recall=2C I got about $2.50 a lawn. I used a
hand powered mower and hand edger. I gave my customers a really good groomi
ng for the money. So... I had some cash in my pocket that fateful day. And.
.. I really WANTED that bike!
I paid the money=2C gathered up the castaway bike and headed home feeling l
ike I'd just cheated that "rich" kid out of something priceless! I took it
home and assembled it and sure enough it was all there=2C except for a few
ball bearings which I was able to purchase from a local bike store for penn
ies apiece.
I was in hog heaven. I drove that bike all over San Diego. Never once was I
ashamed of its appearance or the fact that everyone else seemed to have 7
gears more than I did. That castaway bike was my magic carpet and I exercis
ed it=2C and myself=2C every chance I got.
Now=2C I'm an MD=2C my kids always had a nice bike and I have not broken a
sweat providing college educations to them both. I live in a nice suburb of
Knoxville and life is good. I'm the most successful of my siblings. I've c
ome to believe it's because I had Polio in my infancy and grew up "crippled
". Hah! I had the most to overcome and my parents didn't baby me. They allo
wed my entrepreneurial endeavors and encouraged me to exercise my body with
that bike. I'm choking up right now as I write this. What great memories!
I've worked for everything I've ever had including OBAM aircraft and that m
akes them even sweeter to me.
You'll be a great student! My instructor told me one day that I was the mos
t prepared student he'd ever had. You see=2C I really WANTED to fly that ai
rplane!
Rodney in Tennessee
Unabashed Nuckollhead
DO NOT ARCHIVE
<snip>
> Nawh=2C living on a farm is orthogonal. A child just has to grow up
> without being handed everything he wants. He has to learn to WANT
> things. Then he has to learn that things can be had from one's own hands
.
>
> I grew up poor. Not Ethiopian starvation poor=2C but if I wanted a
> bicycle I had to learn to build it from spare parts that I got from
> castaways. I learned to build a bicycle from castaways. I'm no longer
> poor by any reasonable definition=2C but I still can't afford a certified
> airplane. If I want one=2C I have to learn to build it myself. We'll se
e
> in a year or so what sort of student I am.
>
> --
> Ernest Christley=2C President
> Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com
>
> TechnicalTakedown=2C LLC
> www.TechnicalTakedown.com
> 101 Steep Bank Dr.
> Cary=2C NC 27518
> (919) 741-9397
<snip>
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It happened sometime during my generation (born 1935).=C2- Up until and
during WWII, it was =9Chonorable=9D to be in the trades, work
ing with your hands.=C2- Sometime after WWII, and before the =9Cin
formation age=9D, in my world, it became imperative to go to college
and earn a degree so that one didn=99t have to work with ones hands
.=C2- Somehow, using brainpower instead of muscle power became =9C
noble=9D. There are those among us that choose to use both.=C2- We
are the =9Ctinkerers=9D.=C2- We are driven to learn, experi
ment and to create.=C2- But we are the dinosaurs, a dying breed.=C2-
Beyond the time when it was a given that a college education was all that
was necessary to succeed, along came the computer. Today=99s youth
(and some ancients) think that you can do anything if you can conquer the
computer.=C2- Never mind what makes it work.=C2- You only need to mas
ter the keyboard, the display and a host of programming tricks.=C2- This
mentality leads one to believe that =9Cstuff=9D happens witho
ut human intervention, except through the computer=99s omnipotent po
wer. Thus the decline in people that really make =9Cstuff=9D
happen - the carpenters, millwrights, farmers, machinist, plumbers, mecha
nics - all those that work with their hands.=C2- Of course, they are sti
ll out there, doing the everyday jobs that must be done, but their numbers
are rapidly declining; =98cause it=99s just not =9Ccool
=9D to work with your hands=2
0these days.=C2- By all means, allow and encourage the kids to master th
e computer.=C2- Just don=99t let it get in the way of learning abo
ut and doing things manually, creating and above all - =9CTINKERING
=9D.
Jay Bannister
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