---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/09/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:12 AM - Re: vote (JOHN TIPTON) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: vote (Chuck Jensen) 3. 05:25 AM - LED Landing/Taxi lights (Ian) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: vote (Andrew Butler) 5. 08:17 AM - Re: vote (Bill Bradburry) 6. 08:52 AM - Re: vote (James Robinson) 7. 09:23 AM - Re: vote (Terry Watson) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: vote (Ralph Finch) 9. 10:30 AM - Re: vote (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 10. 10:33 AM - Re: vote (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 10:47 AM - Re: LED Landing/Taxi lights (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 12. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Appendix Z (Tim Andres) 13. 10:55 AM - Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps (XeVision) 14. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps (Ralph Finch) 15. 12:37 PM - Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps (XeVision) 16. 01:22 PM - Re: vote (j. davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:57 AM PST US From: "JOHN TIPTON" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote 1) Is this anything to do with the aims of this list 2) The point of this vote: is - John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradburry" Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote > > > I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote > for > Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote > and > voice comments as you wish. > Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any > of > your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing > that > 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. > We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. > Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. > Please > pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click > on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of > your choice. > > http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ > > > PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... > It will take only an instant of your time! > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote From: "Chuck Jensen" Sorry Bill, as controversial as I'll get is, I prefer canards over RVs. The rest I'll leave for less civil forums. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote for Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote and voice comments as you wish. Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any of your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing that 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. Please pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of your choice. http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... It will take only an instant of your time! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:44 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: LED Landing/Taxi lights From: Ian Can anyone explain how an LED has "reach" problems? Since the light doesn't know when to stop, I assume this is either about light output (lumens) or focusing, which is nothing to do with the LED's themselves. I imagine that it's a lot harder to focus LED's with a parabolic reflector when the light origin is not exactly a point source, especially when using multiples. I just bought some domestic GU10 light bulbs that have a single LED outputting 200 lumens. That's about half of a 35W halogen so they're getting there. Ian Brown, Bromont, QC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:31 AM PST US From: Andrew Butler Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote In fairness to Bill, who has yet to respond in person, this may be politically motivated SPAM generated by malicious software i.e a virus of some kind, that has compromised his bellsouth eMail address list in some way. Regards, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Sent: Friday, 9 October, 2009 12:41:13 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote Sorry Bill, as controversial as I'll get is, I prefer canards over RVs. The rest I'll leave for less civil forums. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote for Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote and voice comments as you wish. Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any of your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing that 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. Please pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of your choice. http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... It will take only an instant of your time! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:26 AM PST US From: "Bill Bradburry" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote Nope, not spam. I just don't care for the direction our nation is going at the moment and I feel the only way we can affect that is by the use of our vote. If you want to vote either way, go ahead. If you don't want to vote, just delete the msg. Some folks have responded to my personal address. Some positive, some negative, that is fine with me. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Butler Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote --> In fairness to Bill, who has yet to respond in person, this may be politically motivated SPAM generated by malicious software i.e a virus of some kind, that has compromised his bellsouth eMail address list in some way. Regards, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Sent: Friday, 9 October, 2009 12:41:13 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote --> Sorry Bill, as controversial as I'll get is, I prefer canards over RVs. The rest I'll leave for less civil forums. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote --> I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote for Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote and voice comments as you wish. Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any of your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing that 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. Please pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of your choice. http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... It will take only an instant of your time! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:32 AM PST US From: James Robinson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote I don't post a lot, but I lurk. I agree with most that this is not the place for political discourse, however In our world today alerting people of things that might affect our world may be important. If it is not important to you it only take 10 sec to delete and go on with your day. If you think it is important do something about it, delete the message and go about your day. May take 60 secs. We are in a time when many of our freedoms (like this open forum) may be in jeopardy. Keep those electrons flowing James Robinson Glasair lll N79R Spanish Fork UT U77 ________________________________ From: JOHN TIPTON Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 1:03:39 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote 1) Is this anything to do with the aims of this list 2) The point of this vote: is - John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradburry" Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote > > I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote for > Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote and > voice comments as you wish. > Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any of > your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing that > 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. > We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. > Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. Please > pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click > on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of > your choice. > > http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ > > > > PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... > It will take only an instant of your time! > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:13 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote Good point. I have been getting spammed with Viagra adds -- which appear to have been sent from my own email address! Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Butler Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote In fairness to Bill, who has yet to respond in person, this may be politically motivated SPAM generated by malicious software i.e a virus of some kind, that has compromised his bellsouth eMail address list in some way. Regards, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Jensen" Sent: Friday, 9 October, 2009 12:41:13 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote Sorry Bill, as controversial as I'll get is, I prefer canards over RVs. The rest I'll leave for less civil forums. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: vote I normally do not send messages like this, but CNN is conducting a vote for Israel vs. Palestine. Please respond immediately to this shocking vote and voice comments as you wish. Please login to this site vote and forward this important message to any of your friends and colleagues. Apparently CNN is pushing a poll showing that 60% vs. 40% of Americans favor Palestine over Israel in the war in Gaza.. We must respond with numbers and be heard! We must stand together. Thousands of these emails are going out across the world right now. Please pass this to all concerned. If you have not already done so, please click on the link below and then simply click on the Israeli flag or the flag of your choice. http://www.israel-vs-palestine.com/gz/ PLEASE contact everyone you know to vote... It will take only an instant of your time! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:50 AM PST US From: "Ralph Finch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: vote > I just don't care for the direction our nation is going at the moment So what? A majority didn't like the way the nation was headed for the last 8 years. You don't see us whining about it on a technical email list. I asked you privately, I'll say it publically: keep the political/religious/off-topic shit off the list. There are a thousand concerns and ten thousand other forums to air those concerns. This email list isn't one of them. Ralph Finch ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:49 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote Yes, please. Thanks. Ralph Finch wrote: > > > I asked you privately, I'll say it publically: keep the > political/religious/off-topic shit off the list. There are a thousand > concerns and ten thousand other forums to air those concerns. This email > list isn't one of them. > > Ralph Finch > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:58 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote > > >1) Is this anything to do with the aims of this list >2) The point of this vote: is - Let's put it to bed folks . . . Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:11 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: LED Landing/Taxi lights At 07:17 AM 10/9/2009, you wrote: >Can anyone explain how an LED has "reach" problems? Since the light >doesn't know when to stop, I assume this is either about light >output (lumens) or focusing, which is nothing to do with the LED's >themselves. I imagine that it's a lot harder to focus LED's with a >parabolic reflector when the light origin is not exactly a point >source, especially when using multiples. > >I just bought some domestic GU10 light bulbs that have a single LED >outputting 200 lumens. That's about half of a 35W halogen so >they're getting there. Astute observations sir. Hawker-Beech has been looking at LED illumination products for years. During my tenure there, every new hopeful supplier to walk in the door offered a quantum jump in performance. I'm not sure what the criteria at HBC was for deciding when the cost of ownership justified the changeovers . . . but changeovers were being planned for. I bought a multi (60?) LED screw in assembly at Walmart a few months back for about $10. My son told me he saw a 3-led, eye-tormenting device there last night for about $50. Those will be getting cheaper every day. Who can we thank for all this? For one, the folks who build, erect and program those obnoxious bill-boards that are increasingly responsible for highway hazard . . . their interest in billions of LEDs sets the demands while the can-do entrepreneurs figure out a way to meet those demands with ever improving performance and value. So while I wince every time I get blasted in the face with drivel intended to separate me from my money, I remind myself that a byproduct of our physical and intellectual sacrifice is technological and economic advancement. LED exterior lighting products exist now which are entirely suited to the design goals of many builders. The gap is rapidly closing. Bob . . . --------------------------------------- ( . . . a long habit of not thinking ) ( a thing wrong, gives it a superficial ) ( appearance of being right . . . ) ( ) ( -Thomas Paine 1776- ) --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:39 AM PST US From: Tim Andres Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Appendix Z So Bob I'm a little confused and late to follow this thread so I apologize if it's been covered. I'm interested in the AUX batt managment/LOW voltage module but dont see it on your site. I gather it's in develorment, when do you expect it will be available?=0AThanks, Tim Andres=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" =0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursd ay, October 8, 2009 4:43:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Append " =0A=0AAt 02:25 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote:=0A donrsmith921@yahoo.com>=0A> =0A> I was particularly interested in seeing Fi gure 2,3,4 & 5=0A> referenced in this article:=0A> =0A>- http://www.aeroe lectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9024/9024_NOTES.pdf.=0A> =0A>- Perhaps these figu res have not yet been posted to this article?=0A=0A- The instructions/ins tallation manual for the 9024 series=0A- products hasn't been written yet . The "notes" section=0A- is a preliminary look at performance while Z-9 is=0A- a preliminary look at applications to be described=0A- in the fi gures you asked about. Z-9 shows- the 9024=0A- installed as Contactor P ower Management, Low Voltage=0A- Warning, and Over Voltage Protection.=0A =0A- The Aux Battery Management application is not shown=0A- in Z-9 but if one wanted to add a small battery for=0A- the purpose of supporting o nly the ignition system,=0A- the forth application could be shown as well . If fact,=0A- Figure Z-9 may be part of the finished instructions=0A- document just to give a real-life set of examples=0A- about how the critt er can be used.=0A=0A- The documents published are preliminary and will b e=0A- replaced by one written and illustrated in the style=0A- of the e arlier Aux Battery Management module=0A- described here . . .=0A=0Ahttp:/ /www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/9005-701B.pdf=0A=0A- The single de vice will perform any of the four=0A- functions which are installer selec ted by clipping=0A- out program selection jumpers.=0A=0A=0A- - - Bo b . . .=0A=0A- - - - ---------------------------------------=0A- - - ( . . .- a long habit of not thinking- )=0A- - - ( a thin g wrong, gives it a superficial )=0A- - - ( appearance of being right . . .- - - )=0A- - - (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - )=0A- - - (- - - - - - - - - -Thomas Paine 1776-- )=0A- - - - ---------------- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:39 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps From: "XeVision" [quote="Speedy11(at)aol.com"]Ralph, I can assure you they do very well! I have the Precise Flight HIDs (non-pulsing for the reasons listed by "dblumel") and Whelen LED "landing lights" for taxi and recognition. LEDs, including Whelens, are not yet suitable as landing lights, but they are superb as taxi and recognition lights. I have both HID and LED lights in my wingtips and they are super. Precise Flight is coming out with 50W and 70W HID units - I have the 35W. > [b] XeVision developed and made available 50 watt HID in early 2005 and 75 watt HID about 2 years ago for special applications. Both the 50 and 75 watt HID from XeVision are used in the Eurocopter line of Helicopters within their TC and as an upgrade. Note: the industry std. is to rate this HID technology based on Watts output (to the bulb), not using input to the ballasts as the rating. This is a common problem with Asian made HID products and their wattage ratings. The ONLY quality HID bulbs in the 35-75 watt range are made in Europe. The Asians including Korea are a long way from matching the QC, life and performance provided by Philips, Osram (Sylvania) and GE HID bulbs. -------- LED still has a long way to go to compete with HID as a landing light. This is true in terms of total lumens and reach (distance). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267258#267258 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:06 AM PST US From: "Ralph Finch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps Well, my question is: are there LED lamps that are cheap enough and bright enough now to serve as daytime recognition lamps? You all have fairly convinced me not to wig-wag the HID lamp I am installing, but I'd still like to wig-wag some sort of bright light. Notes: "Cheap", let's say $50 dollars for each LED assy so $100 total (both wings). "Bright", let's say easily noticed wig-wagging from at least 2-3 miles away, within a 20-30 deg angle from head-on. Ralph Finch Davis, California RV-9A QB-SA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:45 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Wig-Wagging LED lamps From: "XeVision" rgf(at)dcn.org wrote: > Well, my question is: are there LED lamps that are cheap enough and bright > enough now to serve as daytime recognition lamps? You all have fairly > convinced me not to wig-wag the HID lamp I am installing, but I'd still like > to wig-wag some sort of bright light. > > Notes: > "Cheap", let's say $50 dollars for each LED assy so $100 total (both wings). > "Bright", let's say easily noticed wig-wagging from at least 2-3 miles away, > within a 20-30 deg angle from head-on. > > > Ralph Finch > Davis, California > RV-9A QB-SA For Daytime use I'd say no to that distance and angle requirement. For nighttime effectiveness yes. But at that price point absolutely not. High Power LED emitters to even start to accomplish your goal do not come cheap. High Power LED's are relatively expensive. Audi is charging a $5000 option for a new model with all LED front end. They (Audi) will also use fans to manage the heat (back end) for the LED headlight portion. Low and High beam. Audi V8 R8 2010 The primary reason AUDI is using LED is for front end design "artistic freedom", not as a performance improvement over HID. -------- LED still has a long way to go to compete with HID as a landing light. This is true in terms of total lumens and reach (distance). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267267#267267 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:53 PM PST US From: "j. davis" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: vote Ralph Finch wrote: > >> I just don't care for the direction our nation is going at the moment > > So what? A majority didn't like the way the nation was headed for the last > 8 years. You don't see us whining about it on a technical email list. I > asked you privately, I'll say it publically: keep the > political/religious/off-topic shit off the list. There are a thousand > concerns and ten thousand other forums to air those concerns. This email > list isn't one of them. > > Ralph Finch > > Well said, Ralph! > > > > > -- Regards, J. Sonex #325 C-FJNJ, Jabiru 3300a, Prince P-Tip, Aerocarb restoring the Johnston Special http://cleco.ca +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | J. Davis, M.Sc. | (computer science) | | *NIX consulting, SysAdmin | email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ and now... 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