---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/01/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Using a SPST switch to control both the alternator field and master contactor. (Matthew Schumacher) 2. 11:47 AM - Alternator/OV protection module compatibility (Tom Herrmann) 3. 01:08 PM - Cutting big wires... (jayb) 4. 01:55 PM - Re: Cutting big wires... (Dale Ellis) 5. 02:43 PM - Re: Cutting big wires... (jayb) 6. 03:39 PM - Z-13/8 modification (version 2.0) (Lincoln Keill) 7. 08:18 PM - Re: Does anyone have a source for these specialized Adel clamps (keithmckinley) 8. 09:50 PM - Re: Alternator/OV protection module compatibility (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 11:04 PM - Official AeroElectric-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 10. 11:05 PM - Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:59 AM PST US From: Matthew Schumacher Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Using a SPST switch to control both the alternator field and master contactor. Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > I have a switch that I really like that I want to use for the main > switch. It's a heavy duty switch that can handle up to 75amp, but it's > only a SPST switch. > > > What kind of airplane/engine? Where is your battery located > with respect to the proposed location for the battery master > switch? The airplane is a bearhawk. I haven't totally decided where the battery is going to go, but I think it will end up on the firewall, perhaps even cockpit side. > If it's wired directly to the main power bus then the second the > master switch is turned off the contactor isolates the main buss > anyway causing the field coil to shut down. > > No. Alternators can . . . and often do continue to run > "self-excited" unless you break the field supply lead > (or open the ON/OFF command lead for internally regulated > alternators). Ok, so if I'm reading you right, since the battery lead on the alt and the field lead are both connected to the main power bus, the residual magnetism in the alternator could cause it to produce some bias (voltage) that will keep the field coil working, which creates more bias causing it to continue to work. Did I get that right? > 2. If it's harmful to have the field coil wired to the main power buss > without a way to isolate it, then can I wire my main power switch as > shown in the attached drawing? Other than a little more wire, is there > anything wrong with doing it this way? > > I didn't see an drawing come through as an attachment. > If it's your intention to replace a battery contactor with > a manually operated switch (common to many aircraft back > in the 40's and 50's) then you need a separate alternator > control switch. In this configuration, you don't have a > MASTER switch and both switches need to be opened to kill > the system. I wonder what happened to my attachment, I got it. Oh well, you can see it here: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=67973 Anyway, no I'm not looking to replace the battery contactor. What the drawing shows is a switch connected to the battery + on one side with it feeding the alternator field and the master contactor on the other side. So basically, instead of the coil on the contactor always conntected to the battery + and the master switch connecting the other side to ground, the ground side is always connected, and the SPST master switch connects the other side to the battery, along with the alternator field. I think this would work because the switch would bear the load of the alternator field and master contactor coil which it's certainly capable of doing, and because there isn't any possibility of 'self-exciting' since opening the master switch would kill the alt field and the battery side of the alt is isolated from the battery. > > The subject of your note does raise a question . . . do > you plan to use a battery contactor or is the 75A rated > switch intended to be the replacement for a battery > contactor? No, I just like the switch (it's a push/pull), and it just happens to be high current, I'll still use the contactor. Thanks, schu ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:34 AM PST US From: Tom Herrmann Subject: AeroElectric-List: Alternator/OV protection module compatibility I am planning to use an external solid-state Ford regulator and Ford automotive 60 amp 1G alternator in my homebuild project. I would like to use Aeroelectric's OV protection module in my wiring circuit, but wonder if my alternator is compatible with the module wiring as shown on the Aeroelectric website. Specifically, no Stator connection is shown on the diagram alternator. Could it be that the way the regulator and alternator is wired, using the OV module, the Ford 1G alternator Stator connection is left unwired? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:31 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Cutting big wires... From: "jayb" What are some tried and true ways to cut thicker wires? I'm especially interested methods to cut #2 and #4 AWG. Thanks in advance, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284438#284438 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Cutting big wires... From: Dale Ellis For thick/stiff # 2 or # 4 wire, I have used a dremel (heavy-duty) cut-off wheel and a cut-off wheel in a die-grinder. Both make a square/clean cut. JUST WEAR EYE PROTECTION WHILE DOING THIS. METAL FRAGMENTS WILL FLY! Dale RV-8 at the 90/90 stage. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:02 PM, jayb wrote: > > What are some tried and true ways to cut thicker wires? I'm especially interested methods to cut #2 and #4 AWG. > > Thanks in advance, > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284438#284438 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:23 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Cutting big wires... From: "jayb" Dang... Funny someone else had the exact same question at nearly the same time. Jay do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284477#284477 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:27 PM PST US From: Lincoln Keill Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-13/8 modification (version 2.0) Thanks to everyone for the feedback. -I've manually drawn in the diode sy mbols at the contactors/relays which I think prevents the previous shorts b ut still provides power to the coils when the switch(es) is (are) thrown. -I also updated the electronic ignition wiring to comply with the instruc tions from Lightspeed and redrawn the regulator & low voltage part of the s chematic and replaced it with B&C's LR-3C regulator+OV protection+UV warnin g. -The new .pdf file is attached (still under 1MB). -Any additional co mments are most welcome. -Thanks again. Lincoln Keill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:42 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Does anyone have a source for these specialized Adel clamps From: "keithmckinley" george, my email to you got shot back. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS KFIT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284540#284540 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:15 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator/OV protection module compatibility At 01:40 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote: > >I am planning to use an external solid-state Ford regulator and Ford >automotive 60 amp 1G alternator in my homebuild project. I would like >to use Aeroelectric's OV protection module in my wiring circuit, but >wonder if my alternator is compatible with the module wiring as shown >on the Aeroelectric website. Specifically, no Stator connection is >shown on the diagram alternator. Could it be that the way the >regulator and alternator is wired, using the OV module, the Ford 1G >alternator Stator connection is left unwired? The stator terminal was used on the old electro-mechanical voltage regulators . . . http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Regulators/Ford_EM_Reg.jpg . . . .to sense when the alternator was actually being rotated by the engine. This prevented leaving the field switch ON after shutdown and draining the battery (in certain automotive applications . . . this was never a risk to aircraft so that terminal is not used except for some early and rather crude attempts to sense low voltage at that terminal. So, wire per figure Z-11 and ignore the stator terminal. 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