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1. 06:43 AM - Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 07:29 AM - Re: Starter and contactor wiring (user9253)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: cup holder (Eric M. Jones)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Jae Chang)
5. 12:06 PM - Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Speedy11@aol.com)
6. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Jesse Jenks)
7. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Jesse Jenks)
8. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (BobsV35B@aol.com)
9. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (Jesse Jenks)
12. 08:56 PM - Re: Does anyone have a source for these specialized Adel clamps (keithmckinley)
13. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Starter and contactor wiring (BobsV35B@aol.com)
14. 10:08 PM - Nice catalog with fuse blocks, connectors, etc... (Matthew Schumacher)
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
At 04:56 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote:
Bob and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some discussion about wiring a
Skytec starter per Vans recommendations. I believe Bob recommended
eliminating the jumper wire between the Starter B+ and 'S' terminal
and connecting the 'S' terminal to the starter contactor "I"
terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter and the
instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24 volts
and leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper effect
12 volt operation? Also, I would like to add a 'starter engaged'
warning light per Bobs' recommendation in the "connection" by
wiring the "I" terminal of the starter contactor thru a 5amp fuse to
the warning light. Any problem with doing both wiring alterations?
You got me. Never heard of the 12/24 volt jumper option.
If the starter will function when supplied with 24v
and the "S" terminal left open, then there's something
going on inside that I'm not aware of. Suggest you
follow instructions and leave the jumper installed.
Since these instructions appear to accommodate TC
aircraft, they'll no doubt have external contactors
as part of the original design. This means that
for a 14v airplane, it wires just like the B&C
configuration (jumper installed) depicted on the
Z-figures. Of course, you can always add the starter
engaged light on the "I" terminal of your external
contactor.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Tom Packard,
See: http://www.skytecair.com/Jumper101.htm
Quoting from Sky Tec's website:
"
> Sky-Tec repurposed the S-Terminal functionality on NL model starters to serve
as a means of switching the starter between 12V and 24V operation. Because of
this, ALL NL STARTER INSTALLATIONS MUST BE WIRED ACCORDING TO THE CERTIFIED
AIRCRAFT WIRING DIAGRAM BELOW - NO EXCEPTIONS!
See wiring diagram: http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg
Evidently the jumper changes the internal wiring to the motor. If operated on
12 volts without the jumper, something bad might happen.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
This is great timing. I am confused, because Van's default wiring plans
have you remove the jumper on the starter and wire this B11 wire
separately from starter contactor to starter, which seems the same thing
as leaving the jumper in place.
picture link here to Van's wiring schematic:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fF4SlbjCoxWWDl_8bqtbHg?authkey=Gv1sRgCI7088GZlYCc2AE&feat=directlink
Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks!
Jae
user9253 wrote:
>
> Tom Packard,
> See: http://www.skytecair.com/Jumper101.htm
> Quoting from Sky Tec's website:
> "
>
>> Sky-Tec repurposed the S-Terminal functionality on NL model starters to serve
as a means of switching the starter between 12V and 24V operation. Because
of this, ALL NL STARTER INSTALLATIONS MUST BE WIRED ACCORDING TO THE CERTIFIED
AIRCRAFT WIRING DIAGRAM BELOW - NO EXCEPTIONS!
>>
>
> See wiring diagram: http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg
> Evidently the jumper changes the internal wiring to the motor. If operated on
12 volts without the jumper, something bad might happen.
> Joe
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284834#284834
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Tom,
For what it's worth, I'll tell you my story.
I have an IO-390 with Skytec LS starter. The starter comes with a jumper
wire installed which I understand jumps power over to engage the starter
solenoid. The Skytec folks have a diagram on their web site showing how
Van's recommends wiring the starter and said the Van's method is bogus (my
words) and it would be foolish to wire it that way. I took their advice and
did not wire it like Van's. I should have wired like Van's.
Not long ago, during start, I had a run-on starter and had to disconnect
the battery to disengage the starter. Long story short, I made a wiring
error that, in the event of a stuck contactor or stuck starter solenoid, I
could not remove power from the starter. I corrected that error and in the
process I asked Bob's opinion and he recommended removing the jumper wire and
wiring like Van's.
So, now, the starter solenoid (S term) is powered from the I terminal on
the contactor, a starter engaged light is powered from the contactor I
terminal and I can now remove all power from the contactor in the event of a
starter run-on. I did not put a fuse in the starter light wire from the
contactor I terminal to the starter engaged light because it is only powered for
a few seconds and releasing the starter button removes power from the S
terminal and the wire. My setup is working fine now and I can check after
each start to insure the starter engaged light is not on.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Bob and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some discussion about wiring a Skytec
starter
per Vans recommendations. I believe Bob recommended eliminating the jumper
wire
between the Starter B+ and 'S' terminal and connecting the 'S' terminal to
the
starter contactor "I" terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter
and
the instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24 volts
and
leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper effect 12 volt
operation?
Also, I would like to add a 'starter engaged' warning light per Bobs'
recommendation in the "connection" by wiring the "I" terminal of the
starter
contactor thru a 5amp fuse to the warning light. Any problem with doing
both
wiring alterations?
Thanks,
Tom Packard
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you anything more
than that you are pressing the starter button with your thumb=2C which you
should hopefully know already? In other words would the light actually inf
orm you of a starter stuck on after the engine is running?
I had been considering weather a light on the panel is worth wile or not.
Thanks.
Jesse
PS I will be wiring like Vans=2C without the jumper.
From: Speedy11@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
Tom=2C
For what it's worth=2C I'll tell you my story.
I have an IO-390 with Skytec LS starter. The starter comes with a
jumper wire installed which I understand jumps power over to engage the sta
rter
solenoid. The Skytec folks have a diagram on their web site showing how
Van's recommends wiring the starter and said the Van's method is bogus (my
words) and it would be foolish to wire it that way. I took their advice
and did not wire it like Van's. I should have wired like Van's.
Not long ago=2C during start=2C I had a run-on starter and had to disconnec
t
the battery to disengage the starter. Long story short=2C I made a wiring
error that=2C in the event of a stuck contactor or stuck starter solenoid
=2C I could
not remove power from the starter. I corrected that error and in the
process I asked Bob's opinion and he recommended removing the jumper wire a
nd
wiring like Van's.
So=2C now=2C the starter solenoid (S term) is powered from the I
terminal on the contactor=2C a starter engaged light is powered from the
contactor I terminal and I can now remove all power from the contactor in
the event of a starter run-on. I did not put a fuse in the starter
light wire from the contactor I terminal to the starter engaged light
because it is only powered for a few seconds and releasing the starter butt
on
removes power from the S terminal and the wire. My setup is working
fine now and I can check after each start to insure the starter engaged lig
ht is
not on.
Regards=2C
Stan Sutterfield
Bob
and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some discussion
about wiring a Skytec starter
per Vans recommendations. I believe Bob
recommended eliminating the jumper wire
between the Starter B+ and 'S'
terminal and connecting the 'S' terminal to the
starter contactor "I"
terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter and
the
instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24 volts
and
leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper effect
12 volt operation?
Also=2C I would like to add a 'starter engaged' warning
light per Bobs'
recommendation in the "connection" by wiring the "I"
terminal of the starter
contactor thru a 5amp fuse to the warning light.
Any problem with doing both
wiring alterations?
Thanks=2C
Tom
Packard
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Wouldn't it be better to wire the light to the inboard heavy stud on the st
arter? That way if the light was on after you took your thumb off the butto
n=2C you would know there is power at the actual starter=2C not just at the
solenoid.
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you anything more
than that you are pressing the starter button with your thumb=2C which you
should hopefully know already? In other words would the light actually inf
orm you of a starter stuck on after the engine is running?
I had been considering weather a light on the panel is worth wile or not.
Thanks.
Jesse
PS I will be wiring like Vans=2C without the jumper.
From: Speedy11@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
Tom=2C
For what it's worth=2C I'll tell you my story.
I have an IO-390 with Skytec LS starter. The starter comes with a
jumper wire installed which I understand jumps power over to engage the sta
rter
solenoid. The Skytec folks have a diagram on their web site showing how
Van's recommends wiring the starter and said the Van's method is bogus (my
words) and it would be foolish to wire it that way. I took their advice
and did not wire it like Van's. I should have wired like Van's.
Not long ago=2C during start=2C I had a run-on starter and had to disconnec
t
the battery to disengage the starter. Long story short=2C I made a wiring
error that=2C in the event of a stuck contactor or stuck starter solenoid
=2C I could
not remove power from the starter. I corrected that error and in the
process I asked Bob's opinion and he recommended removing the jumper wire a
nd
wiring like Van's.
So=2C now=2C the starter solenoid (S term) is powered from the I
terminal on the contactor=2C a starter engaged light is powered from the
contactor I terminal and I can now remove all power from the contactor in
the event of a starter run-on. I did not put a fuse in the starter
light wire from the contactor I terminal to the starter engaged light
because it is only powered for a few seconds and releasing the starter butt
on
removes power from the S terminal and the wire. My setup is working
fine now and I can check after each start to insure the starter engaged lig
ht is
not on.
Regards=2C
Stan Sutterfield
Bob
and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some discussion
about wiring a Skytec starter
per Vans recommendations. I believe Bob
recommended eliminating the jumper wire
between the Starter B+ and 'S'
terminal and connecting the 'S' terminal to the
starter contactor "I"
terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter and
the
instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24 volts
and
leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper effect
12 volt operation?
Also=2C I would like to add a 'starter engaged' warning
light per Bobs'
recommendation in the "connection" by wiring the "I"
terminal of the starter
contactor thru a 5amp fuse to the warning light.
Any problem with doing both
wiring alterations?
Thanks=2C
Tom
Packard
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Good Afternoon Jesse,
I wired my starter warning almost that way. I put it at the other end of
that fat wire right on the contactor. As long as that wire is hot, for
whatever reason, the light will be on. If your starter has an additional internal
contactor my version wouldn't work, but if the external contactor is the
only way for power to get to the starter it works fine. If the contactor
sticks or gets shorted to power in some other manner, the light is lit.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 2/4/2010 4:14:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jessejenks@hotmail.com writes:
Wouldn't it be better to wire the light to the inboard heavy stud on the
starter? That way if the light was on after you took your thumb off the
button, you would know there is power at the actual starter, not just at the
solenoid.
____________________________________
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you anything more
than that you are pressing the starter button with your thumb, which you
should hopefully know already? In other words would the light actually
inform you of a starter stuck on after the engine is running?
I had been considering weather a light on the panel is worth wile or not.
Thanks.
Jesse
PS I will be wiring like Vans, without the jumper.
____________________________________
From: Speedy11@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
Tom,
For what it's worth, I'll tell you my story.
I have an IO-390 with Skytec LS starter. The starter comes with a jumper
wire installed which I understand jumps power over to engage the starter
solenoid. The Skytec folks have a diagram on their web site showing how
Van's recommends wiring the starter and said the Van's method is bogus (my
words) and it would be foolish to wire it that way. I took their advice and
did not wire it like Van's. I should have wired like Van's.
Not long ago, during start, I had a run-on starter and had to disconnect
the battery to disengage the starter. Long story short, I made a wiring
error that, in the event of a stuck contactor or stuck starter solenoid, I
could not remove power from the starter. I corrected that error and in the
process I asked Bob's opinion and he recommended removing the jumper wire and
wiring like Van's.
So, now, the starter solenoid (S term) is powered from the I terminal on
the contactor, a starter engaged light is powered from the contactor I
terminal and I can now remove all power from the contactor in the event of a
starter run-on. I did not put a fuse in the starter light wire from the
contactor I terminal to the starter engaged light because it is only powered for
a few seconds and releasing the starter button removes power from the S
terminal and the wire. My setup is working fine now and I can check after
each start to insure the starter engaged light is not on.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Bob and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some discussion about wiring a Skytec
starter
per Vans recommendations. I believe Bob recommended eliminating the jumper
wire
between the Starter B+ and 'S' terminal and connecting the 'S' terminal to
the
starter contactor "I" terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter
and
the instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24 volts
and
leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper effect 12 volt
operation?
Also, I would like to add a 'starter engaged' warning light per Bobs'
recommendation in the "connection" by wiring the "I" terminal of the
starter
contactor thru a 5amp fuse to the warning light. Any problem with doing
both
wiring alterations?
Thanks,
Tom Packard
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
At 03:53 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote:
>I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you
>anything more than that you are pressing the starter button with
>your thumb, which you should hopefully know already? In other words
>would the light actually inform you of a starter stuck on after the
>engine is running?
The "I" terminal is an independent connection that
parallels the connetion between the external contactor's
fat-wire studs. So yes, if there's power on the "I"
terminal, then that contactor is either (1) energized
to crank the engine or (2) stuck in a closed condition
after the starter button is released.
Contactor sticking is a rare incident usually related
to cranking with a soggy battery. But it DOES happen.
Adding an indicator lamp to the "I" terminal annunicates
the condition in a timely manner.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
At 11:35 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote:
><jc-matronics_aeroelectric@jline.com>
>
>This is great timing. I am confused, because Van's default wiring
>plans have you remove the jumper on the starter and wire this B11
>wire separately from starter contactor to starter, which seems the
>same thing as leaving the jumper in place.
Correct . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Thanks Bob and Old Bob=2C
I was confusing myself with going between the Vans diagram for wiring with
a separate contactor and the jumper removed on the internal contactor/solen
oid=2C and the Z-22 diagram (which is actually how I'm going to do it). Wit
h Z-22 it looks like you would wire the "starter engaged" light like I said
=3B from the inboard (starter side) fat terminal on the starter because bat
tery power is always present (with the master on) at the other fat terminal
and if the internal contactor sticks closed that is the only way a light w
ould show it. Am I right?
From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
Good Afternoon Jesse=2C
I wired my starter warning almost that way. I put it at the other end of
that fat wire right on the contactor. As long as that wire is hot=2C for wh
atever
reason=2C the light will be on. If your starter has an additional internal
contactor my version wouldn't work=2C but if the external contactor is the
only
way for power to get to the starter it works fine. If the contactor sticks
or
gets shorted to power in some other manner=2C the light is lit.
Happy Skies=2C
Old Bob
In a message dated 2/4/2010 4:14:34 P.M. Central Standard Time=2C
jessejenks@hotmail.com writes:
Wouldn't
it be better to wire the light to the inboard heavy stud on the starter?
That
way if the light was on after you took your thumb off the button=2C you w
ould
know there is power at the actual starter=2C not just at the solenoid.
From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter
and contactor wiring
I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you anything mo
re
than that you are pressing the starter button with your thumb=2C which yo
u
should hopefully know already? In other words would the light actually in
form
you of a starter stuck on after the engine is running?
I had been
considering weather a light on the panel is worth wile or
not.
Thanks.
Jesse
PS I will be wiring like Vans=2C without the
jumper.
From: Speedy11@aol.com
Subject:
AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Tom=2C
For what it's worth=2C I'll tell you my story.
I have an IO-390 with Skytec LS starter. The starter comes with a
jumper wire installed which I understand jumps power over to engage the
starter solenoid. The Skytec folks have a diagram on their web site
showing how Van's recommends wiring the starter and said the Van's method
is
bogus (my words) and it would be foolish to wire it that way. I took
their advice and did not wire it like Van's. I should have wired like
Van's.
Not long ago=2C during start=2C I had a run-on starter and had to disconn
ect
the battery to disengage the starter. Long story short=2C I made a wirin
g
error that=2C in the event of a stuck contactor or stuck starter solenoid
=2C I
could not remove power from the starter. I corrected that error and in
the process I asked Bob's opinion and he recommended removing the jumper
wire
and wiring like Van's.
So=2C now=2C the starter solenoid (S term) is powered from
the I terminal on the contactor=2C a starter engaged light is powered fro
m
the contactor I terminal and I can now remove all power from the
contactor in the event of a starter run-on. I did not put a fuse in the
starter light wire from the contactor I terminal to the starter
engaged light because it is only powered for a few seconds and releasing
the
starter button removes power from the S terminal and the wire. My
setup is working fine now and I can check after each start to insure the
starter engaged light is not on.
Regards=2C
Stan Sutterfield
Bob
and/or others with help..
A couple of months ago there was some
discussion about wiring a Skytec starter
per Vans recommendations. I
believe Bob recommended eliminating the jumper wire
between the Starter
B+ and 'S' terminal and connecting the 'S' terminal to the
starter
contactor "I" terminal. I am installing a Skytec 149-NL starter
and
the instructions say to remove this jumper wire when wiring for 24
volts and
leave it in for 12 v operation. Does removing the jumper
effect 12 volt operation?
Also=2C I would like to add a 'starter engaged'
warning light per Bobs'
recommendation in the "connection" by
wiring the "I" terminal of the starter
contactor thru a 5amp fuse
to the warning light. Any problem with doing both
wiring
alterations?
Thanks=2C
Tom Packard
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| Subject: | Re: Starter and contactor wiring |
Hi Jesse,
Sounds good to me!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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In a message dated 2/4/2010 10:58:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jessejenks@hotmail.com writes:
Thanks Bob and Old Bob,
I was confusing myself with going between the Vans diagram for wiring with
a separate contactor and the jumper removed on the internal
contactor/solenoid, and the Z-22 diagram (which is actually how I'm going to do
it). With
Z-22 it looks like you would wire the "starter engaged" light like I said;
from the inboard (starter side) fat terminal on the starter because
battery power is always present (with the master on) at the other fat terminal
and if the internal contactor sticks closed that is the only way a light
would show it. Am I right?
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From: BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
Good Afternoon Jesse,
I wired my starter warning almost that way. I put it at the other end of
that fat wire right on the contactor. As long as that wire is hot, for
whatever reason, the light will be on. If your starter has an additional
internal contactor my version wouldn't work, but if the external contactor is
the
only way for power to get to the starter it works fine. If the contactor
sticks or gets shorted to power in some other manner, the light is lit.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 2/4/2010 4:14:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jessejenks@hotmail.com writes:
Wouldn't it be better to wire the light to the inboard heavy stud on the
starter? That way if the light was on after you took your thumb off the
button, you would know there is power at the actual starter, not just at the
solenoid.
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From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Starter and contactor wiring
I'm curious if the "starter engaged light" actually tells you anything more
than that you are pressing the starter button with your thumb, which you
should hopefully know already? In other words would the light actually
inform you of a starter stuck on after the engine is running?
I had been considering weather a light on the panel is worth wile or not.
Thanks.
Jesse
PS I will be wiring like Vans, without the jumper.
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List,
Just found this catalog, after purchasing a fuse block on ebay:
http://www.mta.it/on-multi/en/Home/ProductsandSales/Catalogues/OriginalEquipmentCatalogue/documento15002877.html
The parts look to be very good quality, but I'm not sure if you can
order directly due to the minimum quantity. I got my parts from this
guy and he was good to work with:
http://stores.ebay.com/arlingtonproducts
Hopefully someone finds this useful.
schu
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