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Sun 03/21/10


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 05:44 AM - Bob White (Sam Hoskins)
     2. 09:24 AM - Static System Check ()
     3. 04:48 PM - Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad (jonlaury)
     4. 05:04 PM - Re: Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad (jonlaury)
     5. 07:11 PM - Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now! (Radioflyer)
     6. 08:34 PM - Re: Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad (David)
     7. 11:43 PM - Re: Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now! (Bob Meyers)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:44:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Bob White
    From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@gmail.com>
    This from the BD-4 list. Bob made wiring harnesses for Tracy Crook's engine controllers. Was at http://roblinstores.com/cables/ *This sad news came across the BD-4 bulletin board. Bob was someone I could always turn to for info when it was had to get a straight answer about both BD-4's and rotary engines. Always willing to provide info and help out another builder!! This is a great loss!!! Don I am sorry I have to share sad news with you today. Bob White has passed away last Sunday. Here is the obituary: Quote: WHITE -- Robert L. White, 64, passed away March 14, 2010 after sudden cardiac arrest on March 10, 2010. He was born November 8, 1945 in Winfield, KS to Linville and Beth White. He grew up in Kansas and Missouri. He was employed at Sandia National Labs for 35 years, retiring in 2001. He was a man of many interests. He built his own experimental aircraft, and subsequently used the same engine in the world's first rotary engine Sunbeam Alpine. He also enjoyed photography and computing. He is survived by his wife Linda; son Daniel; daughter Cheryl; mother Beth; sister Cathy; grandsons Gabriel and James. He will be greatly missed. He was a good and honest man who did what was right because it was the right thing to do. Cremation has taken place. There will be a memorial service on Thursday, March 18, 2010 at 10:00 a.m. at Riverside Funeral Home at 225 San Mateo Blvd. NE. Most of you know Bob from his rotary installation, and for his help on running this website. Bob and I emailed almost daily, and he did half of the incoming emails, which was great for me. He did that even though he had moved on from his BD after the crash. If you knew him, and/or his wife Linda, maybe sending her a note would be nice: Linda Nelson 505-256-3095 lknelson (at) comcast (dot) net Also, he still has the crashed BD in his hangar. If any of you are in Albuquerque, could you offer his widow help, perhaps in return of parts? Sad, Holger That's too young. Brian Trubee*


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    Time: 09:24:46 AM PST US
    From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
    Subject: Static System Check
    3/21/2010 Hello Fellow Listers, I had the need to conduct a regulatory required static system test and inspection on my experimental amateur built airplane recently and I'd like to share the process with you. The need came about because, in the process of a qualified technician performing the mandatory (for IFR flight) every two year's 14 CFR 91.411 and 91.413 tests and inspections (commonly called an "IFR cert"), he determined that the VSI (Vertical Speed Indicator) had an excessive internal leak.** He bypassed the offending instrument with some plumbing and successfully completed the remainder of the tests and inspections required. After he left I removed the VSI and took it to an instrument repair facility who fixed it for $213. I reinstalled the instrument and reconnected the plumbing, but was not good to go because of 91.411 which reads in part: "91.411 Altimeter system and altitude reporting equipment tests and inspections. (a) No person may operate an airplane, or helicopter, in controlled airspace under IFR unless- (2) Except for the use of system drain and alternate static pressure valves, following any opening and closing of the static pressure system, that system has been tested and inspected and found to comply with paragraph (a), appendix E, of part 43 of this chapter; and....." "(b) The tests required by paragraph (a) of this section must be conducted by- {several different qualification requirements listed including:} (3) A certificated mechanic with an airframe rating (static pressure system tests and inspections only)."## Being a certificated A&P mechanic I turned to Appendix E, of part 43 which reads in part: "Appendix E to Part 43-Altimeter System Test and Inspection Each person performing the altimeter system tests and inspections required by 91.411 shall comply with the following: (a) Static pressure system: (2) Determine that leakage is within the tolerances established in 23.1325 or 25.1325, whichever is applicable." So I then needed to go on to PART 23--AIRWORTHINESS STANDARDS: NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES to find out how to perform the test and what the leakage tolerances were. Here is what 23.1325 says in part: "23.1325 Static pressure system. (b) If a static pressure system is necessary for the functioning of instruments, systems, or devices, it must comply with the provisions of paragraphs (b)(1) through (3) of this section. (2) A proof test must be conducted to demonstrate the integrity of the static pressure system in the following manner: (i) Unpressurized airplanes. Evacuate the static pressure system to a pressure differential of approximately 1 inch of mercury or to a reading on the altimeter, 1,000 feet above the aircraft elevation at the time of the test. Without additional pumping for a period of 1 minute, the loss of indicated altitude must not exceed 100 feet on the altimeter." So how to evacuate the static pressure system? After plugging up the two static ports I opened the system drain connection in my static system and plumbed in this MixMizer syringe: http://www.hopkinsmfg.com/10111.html This device readily evacuated the system and the static system passed the leak test. After closing up the system drain connection and making the required log book entry I was good to go. What did we learn from this exercise? A) For some mandatory regulatory requirements there are some provisions of 14 CFR that do apply to our experimental amateur built aircraft even if at first glance some of them (Part 43 and Part 23 for example) do not appear to apply. B) Even though anyone can work on, repair, modify, inspect, and maintain an amateur built experimental aircraft there are certain items that require action by specially qualified individuals. The annual condition inspection is one item requiring performance by either the holder of the Repairman Certificate for that specific aircraft or the holder of an A&P certificate. Another is the requirement for either the holder of an Airframe certificate or one of the other entities identified in 91.411 (b) in order to conduct a regulatory acceptable static system check. I welcome questions or comments. 'OC' Says: "The best investment we can make is the effort to gather and understand knowledge." **PS: I had suspected that the instrument was faulty because on the last two or three flights it showed 300 - 400 feet per minute rate of descent while flying straight and level. ##PS: Note that being the builder and designated repairman for this specific experimental amateur built airplane did not qualify me to perform the static system test and inspection.


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    Time: 04:48:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad
    From: "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
    What procedures do any of you use to download Z-figures from the Aerolectric Connection website into TurboCad? I'm using TC v. 11 which won't open .pdf's. Tried copying the file to the clipboard and pasting into TC but the image is not scaleable and the text is unreadable. Thanks, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291188#291188


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    Time: 05:04:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad
    From: "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
    Disregard the question. I found the Autocad .dxf and .dwg files that TurboCad can digest. J Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291191#291191


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    Time: 07:11:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now!
    From: "Radioflyer" <skyeyecorp@airpost.net>
    Ok, Bob, you suggested that I monitor the battery over a few days. Here is the summary of the Schumacher SEM-1562A voltages across my AGM battery(Odyssey PC625). (The battery had been already (night prior) charged/maintain by the same device.) Day 1 - The unit started at 14.6V (yellow light on) and quickly ramped up to 15.2V. About 1.5hr later, the float commenced (green light on). The Voltages ranged (sinusoidally?) from 13.6 to 15.3V over about a 20 second period. Day 2 - (24hrs later) The unit was still ranging thru 13.6 to 15.2V. Day 3 - The unit ranged from 13.7 to 15.8V, but there was more loiter time nearer the 13.7V end. 12 hrs later in the day (or maybe less) the unit had stabilized at 13.7V Day 4 - Values continue to be stable at 13.7V with no indication of any further change. I then disconnected the Schumacher and terminated measurements. The Schumacher started with a brief topping off voltage of 15.2V, continued with a long float of 13.6 to 15.2V averaging to about 14.4V, and finally settled on a constant 13.7V. The volatges seems high to me. The manual states max charge of 14.6V, maintainance 13.3V, but I don't know if these are "averaged" values. So, is this optimal or reasonable behavior for maintaining my battery? Clearly, this new version of the SEM-1562A is operating quite differently from the original version. --Jose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291207#291207


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    Time: 08:34:28 PM PST US
    From: David <ainut@knology.net>
    Subject: Re: Downloading Z- figures into TurboCad


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    Time: 11:43:58 PM PST US
    From: Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org>
    Subject: Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now!
    Two pieces of information from Enersys about Odyssey batteries. Although they try and push their chargers, they do list specs for selecting a non Odyssey charger or a maintainer. In all cases, they say to never use a unit that goes over 15v because of the risk of popping the valve. They say to check the charger with a volt meter for compliance. For the 625 they list a 6A (.4C10) charger as a minimum if it is used for deep cycling rather than just a float charger. I am not sure what your intended use is. As a float unit only the Schumacher is sized fine for the 625. I have two non-odyssey chargers that roughly follow the curve Bob posted for you but they are 12A and 25A respectively. They are both smart enough to switch to a float charge quickly if the battery is full or nearly so. Bob Meyers Building Sonex 982SX Web Site Index http://meyersfamily.org/Sonex982.html On Mar 21, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Radioflyer wrote: > > > > Ok, Bob, you suggested that I monitor the battery over a few days. > Here is the summary of the Schumacher SEM-1562A voltages across my > AGM battery(Odyssey PC625). (The battery had been already (night > prior) charged/maintain by the same device.) > > Day 1 - The unit started at 14.6V (yellow light on) and quickly > ramped up to 15.2V. About 1.5hr later, the float commenced (green > light on). The Voltages ranged (sinusoidally?) from 13.6 to 15.3V > over about a 20 second period. > > Day 2 - (24hrs later) The unit was still ranging thru 13.6 to 15.2V. > > Day 3 - The unit ranged from 13.7 to 15.8V, but there was more > loiter time nearer the 13.7V end. 12 hrs later in the day (or maybe > less) the unit had stabilized at 13.7V > > Day 4 - Values continue to be stable at 13.7V with no indication of > any further change. I then disconnected the Schumacher and > terminated measurements. > > The Schumacher started with a brief topping off voltage of 15.2V, > continued with a long float of 13.6 to 15.2V averaging to about > 14.4V, and finally settled on a constant 13.7V. The volatges seems > high to me. The manual states max charge of 14.6V, maintainance > 13.3V, but I don't know if these are "averaged" values. So, is this > optimal or reasonable behavior for maintaining my battery? Clearly, > this new version of the SEM-1562A is operating quite differently > from the original version. > > --Jose > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291207#291207 > >




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