---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/23/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - Re: Bob White (Holger Selover-Stephan) 2. 04:09 AM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Ralph E. Capen) 3. 05:14 AM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Kevin Klinefelter) 4. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now! (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: Symbols Library (Bill Bradburry) 6. 06:09 AM - Getting the numbers (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 06:52 AM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (John McMahon) 8. 09:48 AM - AEC9005-101 kit availability? (jonlaury) 9. 01:21 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (ray) 10. 02:36 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery () 11. 03:14 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (B Tomm) 12. 04:52 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS) 13. 06:43 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (B Tomm) 14. 07:17 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Bill Bradburry) 15. 07:48 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 16. 07:52 PM - Re: AEC9005-101 kit availability? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 17. 07:58 PM - Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Speedy11@aol.com) 18. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery (Jared Yates) 19. 11:04 PM - Used PC680 (Charles Brame) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:25 AM PST US From: Holger Selover-Stephan Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bob White Thank you, Don. I forwarded your caring words to Bob's wife. Holger On 3/21/2010 5:34 AM, Sam Hoskins wrote: > This from the BD-4 list. Bob made wiring harnesses for Tracy Crook's > engine controllers. Was at http://roblinstores.com/cables/ > /This sad news came across the BD-4 bulletin board. Bob was someone I > could always turn to for info when it was had to get a straight answer > about > both BD-4's and rotary engines. Always willing to provide info and > help out > another builder!! This is a great loss!!! > Don/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:41 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery I bought one brand new for the exact purpose that you intend, when I was building...and replaced it with a brand new one for first flight. I have also since gotten a second one from someone that is using a Concord instead.... I still have the old original one... Shipping will be the bugger...where are you? Zap me direct, Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Jared Yates >Sent: Mar 23, 2010 12:23 AM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery > >I'm still in the building stage, and I plan to use a PC680 battery in my >project. It seems wasteful for me to buy a new one just for the sake of >building my electrical system and battery support structure, since it will >be a couple of years before I'm ready to fly. By then I would like to start >my flight testing with a new battery, so it makes good sense to make use of >a retired one for such construction ground operations. Is there is anyone >out there who has proactively removed a PC680 and would like to sell it to >me? I know that some people have mentioned that they use them for lawn >mowers and such, but surely there is someone out there who has one sitting >around. If you are that someone, please send me an email with your >requested price and payment method. > >Thanks! >Jared ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:15 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Jared, I have one you can have for shipping cost. I am in CA Kevin do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:35 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Schumacher for battery maintenance, vote now! At 07:30 PM 3/22/2010, you wrote: > >Just one more data point. I bought my 1562A at Wal-Mart maybe 6 months ago >and for the past couple of months it's been attached to my 1980 Camaro in >the driveway which has a one year old battery. Currently shows 13.42 volts. Interesting, thanks! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:48 AM PST US From: "Bill Bradburry" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Symbols Library Thanks, Mike. That worked. I was trying to go in thru the whats new area and it wouldn't let me in. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mmayfield Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Symbols Library --> Strange. I just downloaded it fine. On Bobs Aeroelectric webpage, I went to: Downloadable Reference Materials > Page per System Drawings > ACAD Symbols Library > Symbols 5.zip Temporary server glitch maybe? That error message doesn't have anything to do with your CAD program. It's a website/server thing, but I know all of Bob's CAD stuff is definitely downloadable. Regards, Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291379#291379 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:23 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Getting the numbers At 05:38 PM 3/22/2010, you wrote: Thanks for the offer. I have two. Good for you. Over the course of several seminars my opening presentation was on DC power and the value of knowing the numbers, I would query the class as to how many folks did not possess at least one multi-meter of reasonable accuracy (handy little analog testers need not apply). Generally there were three or four who would raise their hands. I immediately handed out meters from Harbor Freight. The cost was trivial and it helped me emphasize very early in the class that having some grasp on the "size of things" was pretty important to successful implementation of recipes for success. I will try to get some data on my next airport visit. I will record some numbers and get back to you. Is there anything I should be aware of,or a certain protocol, before proceeding? Not a critical one . . . it's time consuming to sit and watch the setup for the purpose of plotting performance. Data points acquired are pretty coarse. Just see what the "float" voltage is after a couple of days. Then turn something on to put drag a couple a.h. of energy out of the battery. Hook the 1562 up and see if you can catch a top-off voltage along with some sense of time that it stays in the top-off mode. Speaking of data acquisition systems. There are dozens of new players in the data logging business. Emacs! This USB interface voltage logger can be reviewed at: http://www.microdaq.com/lascar/usb/el-usb-3.php It has 0-30 volt input range, sample rates from 1 sec to 12 hours and a 1% overall accuracy. I suspect it's resolution is much better than 1% and may be as great at 0.1% of full scale (10 bits) so for more exacting work, one might be able to characterize a given instrument for better performance in analysis of the data. At $75 its a pretty good value. Folks with a curiosity about such things are encouraged to investigate this market for themselves. I've got several good tools for doing this task but none that are so handy as this . . . I'll probably decide that I just have to get one pretty soon. By the way, if any of you own one of those West Mountain Radio battery analyzers http://www.westmountainradio.com/CBA.htm They can be pressed into service as a useful data logger/plotter. This curve was gathered with just such a device. http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Battery_Tender_Recharge.pdf You set the thing up to "test" a battery with say a 10 milliampere "load" and set the end-of-test voltage very low. You have to fool it into thinking that you're testing a real 7 or perhaps 8-cell battery to get the upper end of the voltage plot where you need it. Then hook it across the system being monitored. It will dutifully gather voltage data for days if needs be and produce nice plots too at no extra charge. Of course, this ties up a PC for the duration of the test. I keep a number of junker 'putes around for just this kind of task. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery From: John McMahon Kevin, Where in CA are you? I was looking for one the same purpose and am in northern CA close to Sacramento if Jared dosen't take you up on your offer. John M. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > Jared, > I have one you can have for shipping cost. I am in CA > > Kevin > > do not archive > > > * > > * > > -- John McMahon Lancair Super ES, S/N 170, N9637M (Reserved) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:20 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: AEC9005-101 kit availability? From: "jonlaury" Am I hopelessly out of date in asking this question? I didn't see it on Bob's website. Thanks, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291442#291442 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:17 PM PST US From: ray Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Question: Why the emphasis on acquiring the PC 680 for ground only test operations? I would think any 12V battery would be suitable. What am I missing? Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN do not archive Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > Jared, > I have one you can have for shipping cost. I am in CA > > Kevin > > do not archive > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery From: Yeah, they may have a battery box that is intended for a 680. I find batteries are like computers, manufacturers make them just different enough in size that you need to buy their battery box instead of the competitors. BTW - I'm going to fly soon, so if someone wants me to save my used (2 years) 680 battery for them (you pay freight from N57), let me know. Can ship in May. If not I'll bury it in the back yard with the others (just kidding). Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ray Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Question: Why the emphasis on acquiring the PC 680 for ground only test operations? I would think any 12V battery would be suitable. What am I missing? Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN do not archive Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > Jared, > I have one you can have for shipping cost. I am in CA > > Kevin > > do not archive > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:28 PM PST US From: "B Tomm" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery I'll be looking for the same used battery situation soon, May or June is good. Bevan RV7A wiring. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of longg@pjm.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Yeah, they may have a battery box that is intended for a 680. I find batteries are like computers, manufacturers make them just different enough in size that you need to buy their battery box instead of the competitors. BTW - I'm going to fly soon, so if someone wants me to save my used (2 years) 680 battery for them (you pay freight from N57), let me know. Can ship in May. If not I'll bury it in the back yard with the others (just kidding). Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ray Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Question: Why the emphasis on acquiring the PC 680 for ground only test operations? I would think any 12V battery would be suitable. What am I missing? Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN do not archive Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > Jared, > I have one you can have for shipping cost. I am in CA > > Kevin > > do not archive > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:36 PM PST US From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery I'll be looking for the same used battery situation soon, May or June is good. Bevan Which used battery situation are you looking for? Do you want to obtain a used battery or bury one in your back yard, like Glenn? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:47 PM PST US From: "B Tomm" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Sorry, I included the word "situation" in the wrong location of my sentence. Let me re-state. I soon be in a situation desiring a used battery (PC680), to accurately fabricate a battery box and associated cabling. It doesn't have to have any life left in it. May or June would be about right. I'll pay shipping if it's not too much. Bevan > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER > & JEAN CURTIS > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:26 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery > > > I'll be looking for the same used battery situation soon, May or June is > good. > > Bevan > > Which used battery situation are you looking for? Do you want to > obtain a used battery or bury one in your back yard, like Glenn? > > > > Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Bradburry" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery You can find battery dimensions on the internet. Make the box a quarter inch larger in both dimensions and 1 inch shorter so you can install your hold down clamp. If you feel the need, shim the box with cardboard. Bill B _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Tomm Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:38 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery Sorry, I included the word "situation" in the wrong location of my sentence. Let me re-state. I soon be in a situation desiring a used battery (PC680), to accurately fabricate a battery box and associated cabling. It doesn't have to have any life left in it. May or June would be about right. I'll pay shipping if it's not too much. Bevan _____________________________________________ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROGER & JEAN CURTIS Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery I'll be looking for the same used battery situation soon, May or June is good. Bevan Which used battery situation are you looking for? Do you want to obtain a used battery or bury one in your back yard, like Glenn? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:22 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery At 09:08 PM 3/23/2010, you wrote: >You can find battery dimensions on the internet. Make the box a >quarter inch larger in both dimensions . . . RG batteries do not benefit from being enclosed in the classic battery box. The first batteries to go aboard airplanes were somewhat 'infantile'. They burp and gurgle. The liquid and gaseous emissions were decidedly unfriendly to the insides of airplanes. Hence, batteries were fitted with special caps. Battery boxes were reasonably sealed and vented to the outside. The recombinant gas battery is incapable of dumping any liquids. Further, what ever out-gassing occurs is low volume and quite dry. This means that airplanes can now treat the battery as if it were a 17# chunk of baggage. Secure it to a shallow tray with sufficient strength to hold it down under say 10G of acceleration and you're done. See: http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Batteries/Battery_Install_OBrien_1.jpg The neat thing is that when major structure is a simple tray, it's easy to change the size to accommodate future retrofits. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:20 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9005-101 kit availability? At 11:41 AM 3/23/2010, you wrote: > >Am I hopelessly out of date in asking this question? I didn't see it >on Bob's website. > >Thanks, >John The "kit" is only the etched circuit board. The artwork for the boards is published at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/9005-301-1C_Fab.pcb You can use this artwork to order sets of 6 boards at a time from ExpressPCB.com Software for this task can be downloaded directly from ExpressPCB. Alternatively, you can order single boards from us at: https://matronics.com/aeroelectric/Catalog/AECcatalog.html Bill of materials, fabrication instructions and installation data are at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/LV_Warn_Fab_and_Install.pdf Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:11 PM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery Jared, I bought my Odessey PC680 in Dec 06 and flew the first time in Jun 09. The battery has done fine. I spins my IO-390 with no problem. I don't think you will have a problem even if you buy a new one to use for the next 2 years. I'm going to replace mine with a new one in June and then every other year afterward. If you can wait until June, I'll send you mine for $14.69 plus hazard shipping. Stan Sutterfield Do not archive I'm still in the building stage, and I plan to use a PC680 battery in my project. It seems wasteful for me to buy a new one just for the sake of building my electrical system and battery support structure, since it will be a couple of years before I'm ready to fly. By then I would like to start my flight testing with a new battery, so it makes good sense to make use of a retired one for such construction ground operations. Is there is anyone out there who has proactively removed a PC680 and would like to sell it to me? I know that some people have mentioned that they use them for lawn mowers and such, but surely there is someone out there who has one sitting around. If you are that someone, please send me an email with your requested price and payment method. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Looking for a used PC680 battery From: Jared Yates I wasn't thinking that a sealed RG battery qualified as hazardous for shipping. Do you know why it would? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:52 PM, wrote: > Jared, > I bought my Odessey PC680 in Dec 06 and flew the first time in Jun 09. The > battery has done fine. I spins my IO-390 with no problem. I don't think > you will have a problem even if you buy a new one to use for the next 2 > years. I'm going to replace mine with a new one in June and then every > other year afterward. > If you can wait until June, I'll send you mine for $14.69 plus hazard > shipping. > Stan Sutterfield > Do not archive > > > I'm still in the building stage, and I plan to use a PC680 battery in my > project. It seems wasteful for me to buy a new one just for the sake of > building my electrical system and battery support structure, since it will > be a couple of years before I'm ready to fly. By then I would like to > start > my flight testing with a new battery, so it makes good sense to make use of > a retired one for such construction ground operations. Is there is anyone > out there who has proactively removed a PC680 and would like to sell it to > me? I know that some people have mentioned that they use them for lawn > mowers and such, but surely there is someone out there who has one sitting > around. If you are that someone, please send me an email with your > requested price and payment method. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:02 PM PST US From: Charles Brame Subject: AeroElectric-List: Used PC680 Look at your local computer parts/electrical supply store for a PC680 lookalike. Or search the internet for PC680 knockoffs. The ones I have found are black versus orange, but have the same technical specs at the PC680 and are the same size and shape. They run around $40 or less. I'm not sure I would want it in a flying airplane, but they work great for other purposes. I have one on an electric gate and its been working for nearly ten years with a Battery Tender Junior charging it. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ------------------------------------------------------------- > Time: 09:40:28 PM PST US > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Looking for a used PC680 battery > From: Jared Yates > > I'm still in the building stage, and I plan to use a PC680 battery > in my > project. It seems wasteful for me to buy a new one just for the > sake of > building my electrical system and battery support structure, since > it will > be a couple of years before I'm ready to fly. By then I would like > to start > my flight testing with a new battery, so it makes good sense to make > use of > a retired one for such construction ground operations. Is there is > anyone > out there who has proactively removed a PC680 and would like to sell > it to > me? I know that some people have mentioned that they use them for > lawn > mowers and such, but surely there is someone out there who has one > sitting > around. If you are that someone, please send me an email with your > requested price and payment method. > > Thanks! > Jared ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.