---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/06/10: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:44 AM - Re: Used avionics (Mauri Morin) 2. 10:31 AM - Wanted - Used CDI () 3. 11:04 AM - Re: Used avionics (Bill Hibbing) 4. 02:00 PM - Chemical "nut busters" (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 02:30 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" () 6. 02:31 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (Marvin Haught) 7. 02:43 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (BobsV35B@aol.com) 8. 03:38 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (JOHN TIPTON) 9. 04:16 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS) 10. 04:41 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (Harley) 11. 04:41 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (Marvin Haught) 12. 05:34 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (David) 13. 05:35 PM - HLMP-2685 multi-LEDs off LR3C (James Kilford) 14. 05:38 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (David) 15. 05:42 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (David) 16. 05:47 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (RGent1224@aol.com) 17. 05:58 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (Jeff Carpenter) 18. 06:12 PM - re Chemical "nut Busters" () 19. 06:24 PM - Re: Chemical "nut busters" (Dj Merrill) 20. 06:53 PM - Need New TNC male gold pin (johngoodman) 21. 07:00 PM - Re: re Chemical "nut Busters" (Marvin Haught) 22. 07:23 PM - probs with text AGAIN in emails & have forgotten the solution (David) 23. 08:36 PM - Re: Need New TNC male gold pin (Jim Berry) 24. 09:15 PM - Re: Used avionics (John F. Herminghaus) 25. 09:56 PM - Re: re Chemical "nut Busters" (David) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Used avionics From: Mauri Morin Bill, Interested in your EDM-700 for my Piper Arrow. Is all the documentation as well as STC paperwork available? What are you asking for it? Mauri Morin Ronan, MT DO NOT ARCHIVE On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Bill Hibbing wrote: > Just thought that I'd pass along that I'm slowly changing over to glass > so I have the following operable avionics for sale. I don't want to use the > forum for advertising so if you have any interest in any of the items please > email me direct and I' send you the price. > > 1. King KT-76A transponder wired for and including an Ameriking AK-350 > altitude encoder. > > 2. STec ST-901 GPSS converter for STec A/P's. > > 3. 52D54 Autopilot directional gyro > > 4. JP instruments EDM-700 engine data monitor with new EGT and CHT probes > and STC paperwork for TC airplanes. > > Bill Hibbing > Glasair > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:38 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wanted - Used CDI From: If anyone has a GARMIN GI-106 CDI, they'd like to sell, let me know. Thanks, Glenn ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:23 AM PST US From: "Bill Hibbing" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Used avionics Mauri, Yep, all the documentation is included. What's happening here is that I'm putting in a EDM 740 so the CHT and EGT probes and wiring are the same and I'm sending the new ones with the unit and leaving the old ones in my Glasair. I'm not sure yet but I think I might be able to include the RPM pickup for Bendix mags also. Price is $895. Regards, Bill Hibbing ----- Original Message ----- From: Mauri Morin To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Used avionics Bill, Interested in your EDM-700 for my Piper Arrow. Is all the documentation as well as STC paperwork available? What are you asking for it? Mauri Morin Ronan, MT DO NOT ARCHIVE On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Bill Hibbing wrote: Just thought that I'd pass along that I'm slowly changing over to glass so I have the following operable avionics for sale. I don't want to use the forum for advertising so if you have any interest in any of the items please email me direct and I' send you the price. 1. King KT-76A transponder wired for and including an Ameriking AK-350 altitude encoder. 2. STec ST-901 GPSS converter for STec A/P's. 3. 52D54 Autopilot directional gyro 4. JP instruments EDM-700 engine data monitor with new EGT and CHT probes and STC paperwork for TC airplanes. 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Penetrating oil Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ..............214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. ------------------------------------------ Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's interesting to see that one can do better yet with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would be interested in hearing from members on the list who have tried the home brew. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:31 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" Bob, good deal! Tx a lot for sharing this. Wish you have a large family (of cousins like this). :) Rumen do not archive ---- "Robert L. Nuckolls wrote: > > > Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . > > --------------------------------------- > Penetrating Oils Compared > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break > out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective > test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque > required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > > Penetrating oil Average load > > None ..................... 516 pounds > > WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > > PB Blaster ..............214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > > Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic > transmission fluid and acetone. > > Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this > one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now > use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as > good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's > left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish > some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's > interesting to see that one can do better yet > with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would > be interested in hearing from members on > the list who have tried the home brew. > > Bob . . . > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:43 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" Bob - I have been using "the brew" now for about a year, and am astonished at how well it works. Recently I was tearing down a washer for repair, and the tub nut was frozen in place (aluminum). All the repair directions said to cut it off with a chisel and replace. I soaked it in "the brew" for around an hour, ever so often, giving it a couple of whacks around the perimeter with a hammer and a drift. When I put the wrench on it, off it came like it was new! I have used it side by side with Liquid wrench, and it works twice as fast. Drawbacks are that it is very flammable, has to be kept in a closed container (I use old shampoo bottles with the snap over tops and a short length of vinyl tubing in the hole for a spout), and will ruin a paint job in a hurry. I'm on a couple of machinist's websites and put the info on both of them recently. All my buddies are using it now. M. Haught Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > > Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . > > --------------------------------------- > Penetrating Oils Compared > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break > out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a > subjective > test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque > required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > > Penetrating oil Average load > > None ..................... 516 pounds > > WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > > PB Blaster ..............214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > > Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic > transmission fluid and acetone. > > Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this > one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now > use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is > about as > good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > ------------------------------------------ > > Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's > left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish > some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's > interesting to see that one can do better yet > with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would > be interested in hearing from members on > the list who have tried the home brew. > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:11 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" Good Afternoon 'Lectric Bob, I have been using Corrosion X for those purposes I wonder how it would fare on an equivalent test? Happy Skies, Old Bob Do Not Archive In a message dated 4/6/2010 4:02:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . --------------------------------------- Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ..............214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. ------------------------------------------ Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's interesting to see that one can do better yet with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would be interested in hearing from members on the list who have tried the home brew. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:43 PM PST US From: "JOHN TIPTON" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" Hi Guys What is the significance of the 'automatic transmission fluid' Regards John >> --------------------------------------- >> Penetrating Oils Compared >> >> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break >> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a >> subjective >> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque >> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. >> >> Penetrating oil Average load >> >> None ..................... 516 pounds >> >> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds >> >> PB Blaster ..............214 pounds >> >> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds >> >> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds >> >> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds >> >> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic >> transmission fluid and acetone. >> >> Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this >> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now >> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about >> as >> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> >> Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's >> left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish >> some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's >> interesting to see that one can do better yet >> with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would >> be interested in hearing from members on >> the list who have tried the home brew. >> >> Bob . . . >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:06 PM PST US From: "ROGER & JEAN CURTIS" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" What is the significance of the 'automatic transmission fluid' Regards John I would assume that this is the lubricant, and the acetone is a strong solvent which carries it into the "nooks and crannies" of the rusted assembly. Probably some other lubricant could be used, but this apparently works! Roger ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:17 PM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > What is the significance of the 'automatic transmission fluid' > > Regards > > John > > > I would assume that this is the lubricant, > and the acetone is a strong solvent which carries it into the "nooks and > crannies" of the rusted assembly. Probably some other lubricant could be > used, but this apparently works! > > Roger > In addition, ATF is a pretty good solvent in it's own right...besides lubricating, it can dissolve lacquers, corrosion and other hard to remove cruds. It is a recommended solvent for cleaning gun powder fouling in firearms. So, I would think that between the acetone's properties of being thin and working into tiny spaces and being a solvent for most plastics, and the additional solvent properties of the ATF and it's ability to stay behind as a lubricant, it makes a good combination. The containers of ATF do have warnings against getting it on your auto's finish... Harley ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:17 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" I don't know - we tried regular motor oil and it did not work as well. M. Haught ROGER & JEAN CURTIS wrote: > What is the significance of the 'automatic transmission fluid' > > Regards > > John > > > I would assume that this is the lubricant, > and the acetone is a strong solvent which carries it into the "nooks and > crannies" of the rusted assembly. Probably some other lubricant could be > used, but this apparently works! > > Roger > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:09 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:12 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: HLMP-2685 multi-LEDs off LR3C From: James Kilford Gents, I'm putting together a small annunciator panel with a number of HLMP-2685 (and similar) LED packages on it. Each one has 8 discrete LEDs, which can be wired in series or parallel to work together. The HLMP-2685 is red, and there are green, yellow, etc., available too. http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/681506-led-lt-bar-hi-eff-red-8led-dip-hlmp2685.html I'd like to hook one of these to the LR3C regulator instead of the supplied filament lamp, so that it can go into the annunciator panel too. I've been trying to trace a schematic of Bob's, which I'm sure I've seen, of how to use an LED instead of a filament lamp with the LR3C, as a starting point. I can't find it, and the resistor values would be different in any case, so can anyone throw any light on to how to use one of these 8-LED devices with the LR3C? For the other uses of this HLMP-2685, e.g fuel pump, flaps, timer, etc, I'd put four of the LEDs in series, paralleled with the other four, with a 220ohm resistor, to run from a nominal 12V supply. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks in anticipation. James ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:19 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:48 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:22 PM PST US From: RGent1224@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" Hey, Ainut, this is the third blank you have sent What gives???????? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:09 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" I know a few human "nut busters." Sorry, couldn't resist. Do Not Archive On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:26 PM, David wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:21 PM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: re Chemical "nut Busters" Thanks for passing this along Bob. Great research info. I'm also happy to see that these test results bear out my own observations over many years as a mechanic restoring antique autos, that WD-40 is practically useless and a waste of money. The other product which is not on the list, but which I've found effective is called "Break Away" made by Cyclo Automotive Inc of Elkhart Indiana. It would have been interesting to see this as well as additional products on the list such as "Mouse Milk", and "Corrosion X" to further the comparisons. The major drawback of the ATF/Acetone mixture is its propensity to immediately remove paint and of course its extreme flammability. Used carefully however it's the "cats a**" so to speak. Bob McC $B!!(B Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . --------------------------------------- Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ..............214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. ------------------------------------------ Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's interesting to see that one can do better yet with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would be interested in hearing from members on the list who have tried the home brew. Bob . . . $B!!(B $B!!(B $B!!(B $B!!(B ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Chemical "nut busters" From: Dj Merrill On 4/6/2010 8:45 PM, RGent1224@aol.com wrote: > Hey, Ainut, this is the third blank you have sent > What gives???????? David (ainut@hiwaay.net) has the AVG virus scanner enabled on outgoing email, and it messes up the email message. David, if you disable the scanning of your outbound mail, it will fix the problem. do not archive fyi -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:10 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Need New TNC male gold pin From: "johngoodman" I messed up my TNC male gold pin and need a new one. The TNC I have was pretty pricey from Aircraft Spruce, but I did see an older thread with a link for one much cheaper. Before I get a new one, is there any kind of source for just the pins? John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293286#293286 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:44 PM PST US From: Marvin Haught Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: re Chemical "nut Busters" Robert - I think you are right on - I only use "the brew" on rough old rusty machinery, or something that I am reconditioning. You can get by with less "dangerous" solvents on other stuff. I keep various solvents on hand, as I am sure you do to - this is the "last resort" product where either the stuff works, or you are going to end up drilling out the bolts or worse to salvage the parts. M. Haught robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca wrote: > *Thanks for passing this along Bob. * > *Great research info.* > *I'm also happy to see that these test results bear out my own > observations over many years as a mechanic restoring antique autos, > that WD-40 is practically useless and a waste of money. The other > product which is not on the list, but which I've found effective is > called "Break Away" made by Cyclo Automotive Inc of Elkhart Indiana. > It would have been interesting to see this as well as additional > products on the list such as "Mouse Milk", and "Corrosion X" to > further the comparisons. The major drawback of the ATF/Acetone mixture > is its propensity to immediately remove paint and of course its > extreme flammability. Used carefully however it's the "cats a**" so to > speak.* > ** > *Bob McC* > > > $B!!(B > Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . > --------------------------------------- > Penetrating Oils Compared > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break > out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective > test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque > required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > Penetrating oil Average load > None ..................... 516 pounds > WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > PB Blaster ..............214 pounds > Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic > transmission fluid and acetone. > Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this > one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now > use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is > about as > good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > ------------------------------------------ > Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's > left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish > some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's > interesting to see that one can do better yet > with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would > be interested in hearing from members on > the list who have tried the home brew. > Bob . . . > $B!!(B > $B!!(B > $B!!(B > $B!!(B > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:14 PM PST US From: David Subject: AeroElectric-List: probs with text AGAIN in emails & have forgotten the solution ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:10 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Need New TNC male gold pin From: "Jim Berry" John, I had the same situation several months ago, but had no joy from ACS, Stein, McMaster, Digikey or Mouser. Good luck. Jim Berry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293302#293302 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:41 PM PST US From: "John F. Herminghaus" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Used avionics Am interested in the ST-901. What is your asking price? Tried to email you directly, but your server rejected my message as spam. John Herminghaus On 06/04/2010 04:53, Bill Hibbing wrote: > Just thought that I'd pass along that I'm slowly changing over to > glass so I have the following operable avionics for sale. I don't > want to use the forum for advertising so if you have any interest in > any of the items please email me direct and I' send you the price. > 1. King KT-76A transponder wired for and including an Ameriking > AK-350 altitude encoder. > 2. STec ST-901 GPSS converter for STec A/P's. > 3. 52D54 Autopilot directional gyro > 4. JP instruments EDM-700 engine data monitor with new EGT and CHT > probes and STC paperwork for TC airplanes. > Bill Hibbing > Glasair > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:47 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: re Chemical "nut Busters" maybe it will work this time. same problem as before. regarding current thread: Please do not use the acetone and *anything* in closed quarters. In fact, if possible, have a fan blowing the fumes away from you while using. I don't know of ATF will keep acetone from immediately drying into the air, but don't chance it. David Marvin Haught wrote: > > Robert - > > I think you are right on - I only use "the brew" on rough old rusty > machinery, or something that I am reconditioning. You can get by with > less "dangerous" solvents on other stuff. I keep various solvents on > hand, as I am sure you do to - this is the "last resort" product where > either the stuff works, or you are going to end up drilling out the > bolts or worse to salvage the parts. > > M. Haught > > > robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca wrote: > >> *Thanks for passing this along Bob. * >> *Great research info.* >> *I'm also happy to see that these test results bear out my own >> observations over many years as a mechanic restoring antique autos, >> that WD-40 is practically useless and a waste of money. The other >> product which is not on the list, but which I've found effective is >> called "Break Away" made by Cyclo Automotive Inc of Elkhart Indiana. >> It would have been interesting to see this as well as additional >> products on the list such as "Mouse Milk", and "Corrosion X" to >> further the comparisons. The major drawback of the ATF/Acetone mixture >> is its propensity to immediately remove paint and of course its >> extreme flammability. Used carefully however it's the "cats a**" so to >> speak.* >> ** >> *Bob McC* >> >> >> >> Just got this note from a cousin out in California . . . >> --------------------------------------- >> Penetrating Oils Compared >> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break >> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective >> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque >> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. >> Penetrating oil Average load >> None ..................... 516 pounds >> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds >> PB Blaster ..............214 pounds >> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds >> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds >> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds >> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic >> transmission fluid and acetone. >> Note: The "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this >> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now >> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is >> about as >> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. >> ------------------------------------------ >> Kool Data! I have a can of Kroil that's >> left over from our airport days. Bought it to refurbish >> some parts on our tractor/hedge-hogg. But it's >> interesting to see that one can do better yet >> with some off-the-shelf ingredients. Would >> be interested in hearing from members on >> the list who have tried the home brew. >> Bob . . . >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.