---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/18/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Re: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool (Chris Stone) 2. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Dual EFI circuit(s) questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: One sensor to two data displays (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 06:55 AM - Bussmann terminal tool sketch error (Chris Stone) 5. 10:16 AM - Re: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool (John Schroeder) 6. 10:50 AM - Re: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool (rckol) 7. 11:51 AM - Re: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 01:40 PM - Re: One sensor to two data displays (Glaeser, Dennis) 9. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: One sensor to two data displays (Richard E. Tasker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:13 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool Here are the Bussman fuse blocks that the terminal removal tool will work with: BUSSMANN BLOCK 15712-14-06-21A 20 position rear terminal split buss ATC fuse block BUSSMAN BLOCK 24 position rear terminal triple split buss ATC fuse block ...chris >>There should be a PDF attached to this message. Sorry for the delay. >> >>Chris Stone > > Chris, I'd like to archive your sketch on the > website. Can you give me a list of the Bussmann > fuse blocks to which this tool applies? > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:45 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dual EFI circuit(s) questions At 12:29 AM 5/18/2010, you wrote: > >Bob and all, >I should have added that my all-electric Rotax has an >internally-regulated 50amp alternator, belt driven off the back of >the engine. The intake plenum blocks access to the pad at the >gearbox, so a standby alternator is not an option. >I don't know that Z-16 is applicable. Hmmmm . . .is the "stock" permanent magnet alternator still in place on the flywheel? >A design goal is to have a real 2.5 hours in the event of an >alternator failure. Engine system and e-radio load (including >contactor) should total 12 amps. If you still have the PM alternator, then 13/8 looks attractive. The PM alternator is good for 18 amps or so. > >I don't believe the stock charging system would handle even that >load on a continuous basis-to say nothing of adding non-e loads like >lighting, gauges, other radios, etc. >Speaking of contactors, is a 40 amp Bosch style relay an >alternative? Saving .8 amps is worth someting. As a battery contactor? No. How close is your battery mounted to where you sit? Can you consider a manual battery switch? >I've been thinking 2 batteries for so long I'm having trouble >letting go of Z-19. But 1ea 35 amp battery is lighter than 2ea 18amp ones... Hmmmm . . . 12A seems like a LOT of energy for a system this size. Do you know anyone who is flying or at least doing ground runs on this engine? It would be VERY useful to do your deliberations with REAL numbers. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:43 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: One sensor to two data displays At 11:11 PM 5/17/2010, you wrote: >For redundancy and convenience, I want use both an EIS 4000 and a >Dynon to display engine data. Can I use the same sensor for both? >How would I wire it to prevent any crosstalk between the EIS and Dynon? >Thanks, Which sensor? Most engine management systems will have several. Further, the panel mounted instrument is tailored to both the scale factor and power requirements for any particular sensor. The probability is that the two different systems are not identically configured for a particular parameter. There are no "standards" for the selection of sensors. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:30 AM PST US From: Chris Stone Subject: AeroElectric-List: Bussmann terminal tool sketch error To all Listers: who are using my sketch of the Bussman terminal removal tool to fabricate the part. There is an error on the sketch. In the side view the .40 dimension should read .04 Sorry for the error ...Chris > > >>Very easy to make from a piece of ~.030-.040 thick steel. > >Ron, > >This means the dimension of 0.40 on the drawing should be 0.04? > >-------- >rck > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298003#298003 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool From: "John Schroeder" Chris - In this series of Bussmann fuse blocks, there are a lot of variations of size and configuration. This is a modular line of blocks. We have two 20/8's installed in our Lancair ES. They are really great items. Each comes with the extraction tool. I have the drawings from the company and can plot them in a .pdf file if anyone is interested. Perhaps, if Bob doesn't already have them, I could send them to him for posting. Cheers, John Schroeder On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:08:55 -0400, Chris Stone wrote: > > > Here are the Bussman fuse blocks that the terminal removal tool will > work with: > > BUSSMANN BLOCK 15712-14-06-21A > 20 position rear terminal split buss ATC fuse block > > BUSSMAN BLOCK > 24 position rear terminal triple split buss ATC fuse block > > ...chris > > >>> There should be a PDF attached to this message. Sorry for the delay. >>> >>> Chris Stone >> >> Chris, I'd like to archive your sketch on the >> website. Can you give me a list of the Bussmann >> fuse blocks to which this tool applies? >> >> Bob . . . >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:46 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool From: "rckol" This is the Bussman 15710 Series ATC Fuse Block, which includes the 15711, 15712 and 15713 (single, dual and triple bus versions). The tool is for the Delphi Pack-Conn III terminals that are inserted into the fuse block. The tool is probably more specific to the terminals than the fuse block. -------- rck Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298085#298085 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:10 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bussmann fuse blocks terminal tool >I have the drawings from the company and >can plot them in a .pdf file if anyone is interested. Perhaps, if Bob >doesn't already have them, I could send them to him for posting. I might but I'm away from the main data base computer. If you would be so kind to send what you have, I'll make sure it either is or will be part of the data archives on the website. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:40 PM PST US From: "Glaeser, Dennis" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: One sensor to two data displays Does the Dynon have a serial port that can be configured to get EIS data? I have an EIS4000 and a GRT Sport. The Sport can configure one of its serial input as EIS input which drives the Sport's graphical engine page. The sensors are connected only to the EIS4000. The Sport displays the exact same information that the EIS does (only prettier :-) Of course GRT makes both products, so this kind of integration is expected. Since the Dynon is a similar product, hopefully they have a similar capability! Dennis ------------------------------------- For redundancy and convenience, I want use both an EIS 4000 and a Dynon to display engine data. Can I use the same sensor for both? How would I wire it to prevent any crosstalk between the EIS and Dynon? Thanks, Brad ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:15 PM PST US From: "Richard E. Tasker" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: One sensor to two data displays Worth a try, but not likely that the data streams are compatible. It is possible to parallel sensors - depending on the type and what the two devices do to energize the sensor. That said, it is not likely to work with two systems that are specifically designed to work with particular sensors. For instance, the EIS-4000 has some straight voltage inputs and has some inputs where it supplies current to the sensor. The VDO pressure sensors are supplied current through a 470 ohm resistor in the EIS-4000. If the line to the sensor were connected to a voltage input on the Dynon, they would both function happily together. You would have to figure out how to calibrate the Dynon in that case, but that could be done by applying known pressures to the gauges. Same thing goes for most of the temperature inputs (except the EGT and CHT) thermocouples. In the case of temperature sensor, you would have to apply known temperatures - boiling water, ice water, room temperature as compared with a good thermometer. The problem you will run into is when both the EIS-4000 and the Dynon are supplying current to the same sensor - and looking at the specs it seems like that is the norm. In that case, the only way to parallel them would be to somehow disable the current drive in one of them. Of course, if you do that and that instrument fails then you get no output from that gauge. I am actually doing the very thing you are trying to do. However, I have an EIS-4000 and a BMA/EFIS One (I know, good news / bad news) that has inputs that can be configured to provide sensor power or just accept a voltage input. Dick Tasker Glaeser, Dennis wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glaeser, Dennis" > > Does the Dynon have a serial port that can be configured to get EIS data? > > I have an EIS4000 and a GRT Sport. The Sport can configure one of its serial input as EIS input which drives the Sport's graphical engine page. The sensors are connected only to the EIS4000. The Sport displays the exact same information that the EIS does (only prettier :-) Of course GRT makes both products, so this kind of integration is expected. Since the Dynon is a similar product, hopefully they have a similar capability! > > Dennis > > ------------------------------------- > For redundancy and convenience, I want use both an EIS 4000 and a Dynon to display engine data. Can I use the same sensor for both? How would I wire it to prevent any crosstalk between the EIS and Dynon? > Thanks, > Brad > > > -- Please Note: No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message. 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