---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/27/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Small thumb-drives needed (Peter Mather) 2. 04:42 AM - The state of the industry (glen matejcek) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Small thumb-drives needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 4. 05:57 AM - Re: The state of the industry (BobsV35B@aol.com) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 06:12 AM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (Ed Anderson) 7. 06:55 AM - Re: Small thumb-drives needed (RGent1224@aol.com) 8. 08:53 AM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (jonlaury) 9. 10:09 AM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 10. 11:35 AM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 02:34 PM - Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off (The Kuffels) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:45 AM PST US From: "Peter Mather" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Small thumb-drives needed Bob A USB card reader would allow you to use CF cards etc as well Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:31 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Small thumb-drives needed > > > At 04:50 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: >> > > Thanks to the folks who responded to my plea. We've got > the mission covered. > > When I bought that system, a 512Mb was a pretty big > memory stick . . . and the folks who designed it into > the system probably didn't anticipate that they > would become obsolete and hard to find so soon! > > > Bob . . . > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:36 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: AeroElectric-List: The state of the industry AMEN. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Whither Aviation OFF TOPIC > > Now to the point: > I suggest you dial in "Flying Cheap" on PBS - I watched an article > on typing "PBS Buffalo - flying cheap" into Google. Perhaps there are better > ways unknown to me. The title is typically bad grammar, but the content is > revealing. Do not archiv ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:00 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Small thumb-drives needed At 04:02 AM 5/27/2010, you wrote: > >Bob > >A USB card reader would allow you to use CF cards etc as well Sure. But small flash cards are equally hard to find! Nobody wants less than a couple of gigs any more. But one of my handiest digital cameras chokes on a 2gig card. The MP3 player in my car chokes on a 4gig card. That technology seems to have exploded much faster than the designers of flash based appliances anticipated. Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:30 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: The state of the industry Good Morning glen, Yes this IS way off topic, but I will make a comment anyway. I agree with both sides of this argument. The vast majority of our young and new aviators are competent serious students of the art and it is a very safe mode of transportation. However there are a few that slip through the cracks. The low pay, lousy working conditions, and lack of respect afforded to professional pilots certainly does not promote improvement. The current level of safety was obtained during the days when a pilot could expect to stay with one carrier for an entire career. There was a strong union that worked hard to address safety issues and to maintain professional standards. The pay and working conditions were definitely secondary goals. The atmosphere was such that those who made the various cuts worked hard to maintain the overall level of proficiency. And cuts there were! We often talk about folks "washing out" of military training. That term is rarely used in civilian life. At least ninety percent of our pilots were military trained and that evaluation philosophy was carried over into civilian flying. It was not just the instructors and evaluators that made decisions on who stayed and who went on to other endeavors, it was the pilots on the line who trained and evaluated the newcomers. There were twenty-eight highly qualified pilots in my new hire class. Seven of those left the group during our six week training course. That was about average. Some classes had as many as half leave the program. I don't know of any class when all participants were accepted. All pilots were subject to very strict scrutiny for the first year. Anyone could be released for any reason. Out of the twenty-one that made it through training school, another five of my class left during that first year. Captains were required to file a report on every copilot that flew with them until the copilot had three years on the line. There was no recourse for those who were released during the first year. After three years of flying copilot, each pilot was sent to captain upgrading. It had nothing to do with actually flying as captain, it was strictly an evaluation point in his (There were no females involved!) career. While the applicant did get an ATP and a type rating from the course, the more serious part was the evaluation by a board of senior pilots as to whether or not the applicant would make a good captain. If the applicant was marginal, but showed promise, he would be sent back to the line for a six month period and assigned to fly with captains who were felt to have the knack of bringing out the best in young aviators. A second chance at "Captain Upgrading" was then given. The result was that at the end of four years, a pilot had been pretty heavily monitored, knew that he had the capabilities needed, and had gained the respect of his peers. The lack of stability and the idea that full evaluation is made by the check pilots and not by the line pilots has been a negative factor that has led to what we now see. Folks slip through the cracks who would have been weeded out in the more stable environment of yesteryear The idea that any set of rules will make a difference is ridiculous. It is a stable environment combined with constant peer evaluation that makes the very best aviator. Requiring a minimum amount of flying time is a typical bureaucratic answer that makes for a good sound bite but has no validity at all. Some of our early washouts were very high time pilots and some of our very best long term aviators had only a couple hundred hours when they first sat in that right seat. It is the attitude that counts the most! I sure DO NOT have an answer, but I think we aviators need to be the ones who make the decisions, not a bunch of ivory tower sideliners. Flame away at will my friends, but that is the way I see it! Happy Skies, Old Bob (soloed 64 years ago this month) Do Not Archive In a message dated 5/27/2010 6:44:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aerobubba@earthlink.net writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" AMEN. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Whither Aviation OFF TOPIC > > Now to the point: > I suggest you dial in "Flying Cheap" on PBS - I watched an article > on typing "PBS Buffalo - flying cheap" into Google. Perhaps there are better > ways unknown to me. The title is typically bad grammar, but the content is > revealing. Do not archiv ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:39 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off At 11:43 PM 5/26/2010, you wrote: > > >Hi group. > >Working on our gear warning system that needs to address needs for >both powered flight and soaring flight we have design one that does >pretty good. > >However we need a devise that can silence horn for approx. two >minutes. In other words by switching a momentary switch power to >horn will be killed for two minutes. > >Needs to be able to handle 500 mA @ 14.4 volts. > >Something small and reliable like a delayed off relay, or?? > >Any ideas, and where to purchase would be appreciated. > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris You can build such a timer from Radio Shack parts. What kind of 'horn' are we talking about. Solid state, piezo electric or an electro-mechanical buzzer? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:32 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off Go to Google and typing in "555 timer relay" - you will find a lot of circuits that would give you what you want and some units and kits as well. Here's a couple of examples http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/relaytim.asp http://www.hobbytron.net/R-UT-5.html Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:44 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off Hi group. Working on our gear warning system that needs to address needs for both powered flight and soaring flight we have design one that does pretty good. However we need a devise that can silence horn for approx. two minutes. In other words by switching a momentary switch power to horn will be killed for two minutes. Needs to be able to handle 500 mA @ 14.4 volts. Something small and reliable like a delayed off relay, or?? Any ideas, and where to purchase would be appreciated. Thx. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299015#299015 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:06 AM PST US From: RGent1224@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Small thumb-drives needed Here's the place to go _http://www.flash-memory-store.com/64mb-secure-digital.html_ (http://www.flash-memory-store.com/64mb-secure-digital.html) 64mb and up Dick In a message dated 5/27/2010 7:57:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 04:02 AM 5/27/2010, you wrote: > >Bob > >A USB card reader would allow you to use CF cards etc as well Sure. But small flash cards are equally hard to find! Nobody wants less than a couple of gigs any more. But one of my handiest digital cameras chokes on a 2gig card. The MP3 player in my car chokes on a 4gig card. That technology seems to have exploded much faster than the designers of flash based appliances anticipated. Bob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:02 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Any ideas on two minute delayed off From: "jonlaury" I've dealt with Carl's hobbies and they are first rate for service and suppport. I had to build a timer for another project and used the one in this link. I built it from a kit (educational and fun) or you can buy it assembled. This one has a toggle feature that seems like it would do what you want. http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1614.htm?gclid=CNPA94rj2o4CFRcIYgodoEizAA John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299057#299057 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Bob "You can build such a timer from Radio Shack parts. What kind of 'horn' are we talking about. Solid state, piezo electric or an electro-mechanical buzzer?" LOUD piezo. I was hoping to get away simple with something like an off the shelf reed switch/relayunit? Or perhaps 555 route is best? Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:22 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off At 12:05 PM 5/27/2010, you wrote: >Hi Bob > >"You can build such a timer from Radio Shack parts. What kind of >'horn' are we talking about. Solid state, piezo electric or an >electro-mechanical buzzer?" > >LOUD piezo. I was hoping to get away simple with something like an >off the shelf reed switch/relay unit? Or perhaps 555 route is best? Yeah, simple SHORT delays are possible with some rudimentary circuits using relays . . . but when you need LONG delays, some electronics is in order. Suggest: http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Schematics/Piezo_Horn_Silence-Timer.pdf You can try an aluminum electrolytic in the time delay slot and see if it works well enough for you. A tantalum per number suggested works best but they're a bit pricy. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:29 PM PST US From: "The Kuffels" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Any ideas on two minute delayed off The Carl's Electronics CANCK158 universal start stop timer kit has all the pieces you need including the relay and push button. See: http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/timers/canck158.htm At $15.95 for the kit ($18.95 assembled) it would be hard to find a better, less expensive solution. Just run your buzzer wire through the Normally Closed branch of the relay. 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