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1. 05:47 AM - Re: labeling panel ()
2. 07:31 AM - Re: Europa electrics (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: wireing a ICOM A 210 with a Flightcom 403MC (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Long and short hot feeders (jonlaury)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Speaking of soldering - Source Location (jerb)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Long and short hot feeders (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: labeling panel (jonlaury)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: Ammeter, voltmeter and other diagnostics (Speedy11@aol.com)
9. 10:51 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 (Speedy11@aol.com)
10. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: labeling panel (David LLoyd)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
12. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Europa electrics (mike gamble)
13. 04:57 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 (mmayfield)
14. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 (ray)
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Bob,
It depends. If you have room set a laser level next to the panel. You
could also you a chalk line (that's what I did). My problem is my
fingers are still crooked.
Glenn E. Long
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob
noffs
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: labeling panel
hi all,
i am ready to label switches etc. on my grey panel. i am using white
letters on a clear tape. what works best to keep the tapes ''level''?
masking tape or a light pencil mark maybe? how far below the switch as
a rule of thumb? and the best way to remove the pencil line if that is
the way to go?
any info appreciated. bob noffs
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Subject: | Re: Europa electrics |
At 03:08 PM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
>Europa xs +912s. (Preparing for first engine start)
> Wired up and powered by 12v external source I select master on and
> note 12 volts on the meter. I then select alternator on and nothing
> happens. Should I not get an alt warning light in this situation
> with regulator providing an earth return? I do have 12v at the C
> terminal and at the +ve side of the capacitor.
>Comments please.
The alternator warning light built into rectifier/regulators
(on pm alternators) and into the regulator of internally
regulated alternators is not generally an all-inclusive
indicator of alternator functionality.
Suggest you consider some form of active notification of
low voltage at the bus for a definitive alternator
monitoring system. This may be built into one of your
off-the-shelf instruments. It can be easily added in
the form of a device like . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9005/LV_Warn_Fab_and_Install.pdf
or
http://www.periheliondesign.com/lvwaabm.htm
or
http://www.periheliondesign.com/moreproductsfiles/LV_Annunciator%20Manual.pdf
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: wireing a ICOM A 210 with a Flightcom 403MC |
At 10:49 AM 6/3/2010, you wrote:
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>Has any one had success wireing up a new ICOM A 210 with a Flightcom
>403 voice activated intercom? After reading some of the problems
>posted last July and some having problems with the intercom function of
>the radio I have decided I would like to use my Flightcom that worked
>fine with my Val 760. The Val gave me so much trouble over about
>6 years that I removed it for the ICOM. Sure would apprecite any
>suggestions on wireing them together. Thanks Gordon
I'm not aware of any unique integration condition for
pairing the A210 Icom with the 403 Flightcom. The microphone
inputs and headset outputs of aircraft radios fall within
legacy interface standards that make any radio compatible
with any artfully designed intercom.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Long and short hot feeders |
Rckol,
Thanks for the heads up.
But yes, now that I've gotten unstuck on my idea, light is streaming down from
the heavens, angelic trumpets are sounding along with a chorus of Hosanna's and
fuse blocks have acquired a golden glow.
All I had to do is let go of the idea of being able to see all my fuses.
Probably will do some sort of blown fuse indicator LED instead, but that's a project
for after I'm airborne.
John
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of soldering - Source Location |
Robert
Is the tiny link you posted to the actual ebay seller you used. I
see your tiny link actually references a seller located and
shipping from Taiwan. Generally I found the quality of Tools made in
Taiwan to be much better than anything from main land China. (Twenty
years ago most of Harbor Freight tools came from Taiwan - today most
of their products are from China with varying quality.) The info
below is copied from site referenced by the tiny link Robert
posted: Beware, when purchasing items located outside the USA, all
the statements below can be true.
Robert, could you possibility look back into your ebay history and
see if you still have the sellers id or the auction number of your
purchase - if you got yours in a moderate time and no additional
customs or processing charges that would be the source to buy from.
Thanks
jerb
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At 09:41 AM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>At 08:10 AM 6/2/2010, you wrote:
>>Hello Bob,
>>
>>What was the product you purchased?
>
> Sorry, here's one of several offerings for the
> tool on Ebay.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/278pb3w
>
> Bill makes an important point. This critter is
> an ignition hazard so be cognizant of the working
> environment. Combustible liquids with low
> vapor pressures are especially hazardous. I keep
> cans of "carburetor cleaner" (really a kind of lacquer
> thinner in a aerosol can) around for little shots
> of de-greasing agent. It avoids having spillable
> containers of the stuff around and limits the
> amount and duration of combustible mix in the air.
>
> Also, you DO want to check for effective shut-off
> for gas flow. I've had a few tools over the years
> that would leak out in the toolbox . . . but this
> is rare. You can charge your new tool and just let
> it set for a goodly amount of time and make sure
> it's tight. You can perhaps smell gas flows that are
> too small to hear.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Long and short hot feeders |
But yes, now that I've gotten unstuck on my idea, light is streaming
down
from the heavens, angelic trumpets are sounding along with a chorus of
Hosanna's and fuse blocks have acquired a golden glow.
All I had to do is let go of the idea of being able to see all my fuses.
Probably will do some sort of blown fuse indicator LED instead, but
that's a
project for after I'm airborne.
John
And that is the "Hot Feeders Long and Short of it"
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Subject: | Re: labeling panel |
Bob,
Consider making your own decals. There are internet offerings for water-slide decal
paper, on which you can print any lable you like from your computer printer.
And then overspray with a clear acrylic. I had problems using laser printed
decals, so I'd go with ink jet. The Laser toner is essentially melted crayon
(wax) and the clear sprays shrink away from it.
Also, there is a product called EZScreenPrint (ezscreenprint.com), which is a silk
screening process. I just received it so I'll post my experience with it in
the next few days. It uses a frameless screen that you can put your artwork
on and then tape in place and squeegee paint through. It is the most durable way
to go, but a little more involved.
John
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Subject: | Re: Ammeter, voltmeter and other diagnostics |
James,
Design your electrical system to make you comfortable. If you are happy
with Z-11, then use it.
Realize that you can monitor amps and volts and still rely on your plan B.
Personally, (17k hours in mil, airline, GA (owned 9-built 1), 98% of time
in VMC) I prefer having information in my cockpit. I cannot make decisions
without information. Any plan B, whether electric-related or not, cannot
make decisions for me. As PIC, I have to make decisions - and I need
information to make decisions.
In my RV-8A, I display and monitor amps at two locations and voltage on the
main and standby busses. I guess I'm a control freak, but when it comes
to being PIC, that could be a good thing.
Bob N has bucket loads of electrical knowledge and my hat is off to him for
sharing with and educating ignorant people like myself. But, when it
comes to operating an airplane, I differ with his opinion. I prefer to have
more, not less, information in my cockpit.
What one does with that information is another story - and that is where
Bob's concept comes into play. He indicates that pilots should not use
information about their electrical system to make assessments or decisions while
airborne. Bob advocates having an electrical plan B that removes the PIC
from the airborne decision process. As you clearly explained, the intent
is to make electrical problems idiot-proof. Nothing wrong with that as it
can make aviation safer and simpler.
But, the pilot in me wants information. For me, more information is
better.
You can build Z-11 and still display electrical information in the
cockpit. The displayed electrical information may do nothing more than confirm
what the flashing LV/OV light is telling you.
Build it how you like it.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
_www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net)
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Is this approach a good one? It makes sense to me, a
daytime-VFR-for-the-foreseeable-future pilot, not to be trying to
fathom electrical problems in-flight. Am I missing something though?
Any thoughts you might have on the subject would be greatly
appreciated.
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Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 |
Bob,
Very well said.
Unfortunately, your comments apply equally to our national leadership.
Stan Sutterfield
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This phenomenon is present throughout most
if not all technology based services and
industries. There's a growing trend in belief
that if you can write, administrate and enforce
the right policies, then all will be right
with the world.
Virtually ALL the companies that offered me
opportunity to grow in skill and understanding
no longer avail themselves of those exact same
skill-sets nurtured by an 'obsolete' business
model that made my own career possible.
I could not hire into Hawker-Beech as an engineer
today. New policy. I CAN contract as a technical
services specialist . . . at a rate considerably
higher than I made there while wearing a badge
that called me engineer! I think I like being
a TSS better!
The phenomenon is endemic to the culture.
Folks in positions of power have been
given or have assumed control over skill-
sets they do not personally possess nor
understand. Bureaucratic organized stagnation
is replacing entrepreneurial spontaneous
order.
This is being demonstrated throughout the
full spectrum of those who would call
themselves leader and/or crafter of a
successful business model in our nation.
The counter-productive effort of elitist
leadership has exerted a strangle-hold on
independently self sufficient persons in
many societies for hundreds of years. It's
our turn in the barrel.
The over worked, under trained ATP pilot has many
counterparts in every industry. Unfortunately,
it may require a game-changing and devastating
event before it turns around . . . and
only if opportunities for the truly productive
are not quashed.
If aviation for the ordinary citizen recovers,
it will be from the efforts of folks like those
on the Lists. Even the EAA, for all it's facility,
programs and cash flow will have little if
anything to do with a new future of aviation.
If we want little airplanes to be around for
our grandchildren, YOU and I and our FRIENDS
are going to have to do it.
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Subject: | Re: labeling panel |
John,
I for one will be very interested in more of your detailed comments
concerning panel marking processes. Thanks for the tips.... David
----- Original Message -----
From: "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: labeling panel
>
> Bob,
> Consider making your own decals. There are internet offerings for
> water-slide decal paper, on which you can print any lable you like from
> your computer printer. And then overspray with a clear acrylic. I had
> problems using laser printed decals, so I'd go with ink jet. The Laser
> toner is essentially melted crayon (wax) and the clear sprays shrink away
> from it.
>
> Also, there is a product called EZScreenPrint (ezscreenprint.com), which
> is a silk screening process. I just received it so I'll post my experience
> with it in the next few days. It uses a frameless screen that you can put
> your artwork on and then tape in place and squeegee paint through. It is
> the most durable way to go, but a little more involved.
>
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300035#300035
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 |
Bob,
Very well said.
Unfortunately, your comments apply equally to our national
leadership.
Stan Sutterfield
Stan, Bob,
I certainly hope that enough people in our
Great and Wonderful Nation,
realize where we are headed and reverse this
path to Social, moral, and
economic demise.
Roger
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This phenomenon is present throughout most
if not all technology based services and
industries. There's a growing trend in belief
that if you can write, administrate and enforce
the right policies, then all will be right
with the world.
Virtually ALL the companies that offered me
opportunity to grow in skill and understanding
no longer avail themselves of those exact same
skill-sets nurtured by an 'obsolete' business
model that made my own career possible.
I could not hire into Hawker-Beech as an engineer
today. New policy. I CAN contract as a technical
services specialist . . . at a rate considerably
higher than I made there while wearing a badge
that called me engineer! I think I like being
a TSS better!
The phenomenon is endemic to the culture.
Folks in positions of power have been
given or have assumed control over skill-
sets they do not personally possess nor
understand. Bureaucratic organized stagnation
is replacing entrepreneurial spontaneous
order.
This is being demonstrated throughout the
full spectrum of those who would call
themselves leader and/or crafter of a
successful business model in our nation.
The counter-productive effort of elitist
leadership has exerted a strangle-hold on
independently self sufficient persons in
many societies for hundreds of years. It's
our turn in the barrel.
The over worked, under trained ATP pilot has many
counterparts in every industry. Unfortunately,
it may require a game-changing and devastating
event before it turns around . . . and
only if opportunities for the truly productive
are not quashed.
If aviation for the ordinary citizen recovers,
it will be from the efforts of folks like those
on the Lists. Even the EAA, for all it's facility,
programs and cash flow will have little if
anything to do with a new future of aviation.
If we want little airplanes to be around for
our grandchildren, YOU and I and our FRIENDS
are going to have to do it.
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Subject: | Re: Europa electrics |
Ira,
I have followed the wiring diagram in the manual using a filament lamp as
demanded. I shall recheck the circuits tomorrow, particularly the grounding
of the rectifier, and report back.
Mike
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Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 |
Err, this apparent comment on some of the problems facing aviation is now eliciting
purely political responses. Any chance of keeping these off the list?
Political views among ordinary folk vary widely. I honestly don't come the Aeroelectric
List to read tales of woe about how someone feels regarding a particular
flavour of Government. There is plenty of freedom to express those opinions
elsewhere where they might be more in keeping with another forum style.
Mike
:x
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Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/03/10 |
Second that!!!
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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mmayfield wrote:
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> Err, this apparent comment on some of the problems facing aviation is now eliciting
purely political responses. Any chance of keeping these off the list?
>
> Political views among ordinary folk vary widely. I honestly don't come the Aeroelectric
List to read tales of woe about how someone feels regarding a particular
flavour of Government. There is plenty of freedom to express those opinions
elsewhere where they might be more in keeping with another forum style.
>
> Mike
>
> :x
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300089#300089
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