---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/16/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:41 AM - Re: Strobes vs. Nav/Com question (tomcostanza) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: Panel Labeling (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 3. 08:00 AM - AEC9024 - Ballpark?? (gordonrsmith921@yahoo.com) 4. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Strobes vs. Nav/Com question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 08:32 AM - Re: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Panel Labeling (Wndwlkr1228@aol.com) 7. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Panel Labeling () 8. 10:03 AM - Re: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? (James Robinson) 9. 10:35 AM - Re: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:49 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Strobes vs. Nav/Com question From: "tomcostanza" Sam, Ditto what Tim said. The easiest thing to do would be to borrow a hand-held receiver. If possible, you might also connect it to the ship's power to see if the symptoms change. If you only get interference while connected to the ship's power, it's probably coming in through the power wiring and not the antenna. My concern was that I would experience the same issue, since I will also be using Archer wingtip antennas, and the strobe will only be a few inches away. Someone suggested, and Bob may confirm, that grounding the shield at both ends gives you an electromagnetic shield (what we want), as opposed to grounding at only one end (electrostatic shield). -------- Clear Skies, Tom Costanza Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301383#301383 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:30 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Panel Labeling Thanks much for this write-up. I'm going to go down this route for my panel (that's waiting for paint). Bill Watson Richard Tasker wrote: > > > Yes I used a laminator. When I bought the kit the laminator they sold > was expensive (still is) so I found one of the recommended ones on > eBay for a reasonable price. Now Digikey sells the "Personal > Laminator" which is recommended for the PCB fabrication kit for $69.95 > (182-1030-ND). It is the one with the two position switch which is > one of the ones recommended for the decal kit. > > Well, you don't need "the whole kit", but when you price out what you > do need, you might as well purchase the whole kit. > > Of the six items in the kit, you can get the 3M blue masking tape > almost anywhere and you really don't need the sample sheets although > they allow you to experiment with pre-printed things. The selection > of color foils supplied is gross overkill for our use, but is useful > for those few places you want a different color. You can purchase the > adhesive in quite a few locations (at least in the US). > > So you have to purchase the toner transfer system, the carrier boards > and the mylar carrier (for a total of $42). You will also have to > purchase locally the adhesive and the 3M tape (for around $23). And > then whatever colors you want to use. The total then becomes $65 plus > the color foil. That leaves $25 for foil which means just under three > colors. But you get two toner transfer system packages with the kit > (which you may not actually need). > > I would buy the kit and if I thought that I would use more of one of > the colors, a roll of that. But keep in mind that each color sheet is > 8" x 36" long. If you group the decals you make together on one sheet > (even if they will be far apart on the panel) you can get a LOT of > decals from one sheet. > > Dick Tasker > > Tim Andres wrote: >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tim >> Andres" >> >> So Dick You did not use the laminator at all? Also Do I need the >> whole kit >> or just the color foil I want and the transfer foil& adhesive? >> Tim Andres >> >> >> >>> Check out http://www.pulsarprofx.com/ >>> >>> You do need to find a heat sealer (or buy the one they sell), but the >>> results are as good as they claim. I did my panels with this and it >>> came out great! There is s bit of a learning curve at the start, but >>> the kit provides plenty of material. I did use a clear overcoat for >>> additional durability, but it is not necessary in areas of minimum >>> exposure - near switches, yes; general labeling on the main panel, not >>> really. >>> >>> Dick Tasker >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:06 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? From: "gordonrsmith921@yahoo.com" 'lectric Bob Do you have a ballpark estimate of when the AEC9024 modules might be available for sale? Do you have a ballpark estimate of what the price might be? When the AEC9024-20 is used as an O.V. Protect Module, it appears that the 5A. pullable breaker is not needed. Correct? Gordon smith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301414#301414 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:28 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Strobes vs. Nav/Com question At 05:40 AM 6/16/2010, you wrote: > > >Sam, > >Ditto what Tim said. The easiest thing to do would be to borrow a >hand-held receiver. If possible, you might also connect it to the >ship's power to see if the symptoms change. If you only get >interference while connected to the ship's power, it's probably >coming in through the power wiring and not the antenna. > >My concern was that I would experience the same issue, since I will >also be using Archer wingtip antennas, and the strobe will only be a >few inches away. Someone suggested, and Bob may confirm, that >grounding the shield at both ends gives you an electromagnetic >shield (what we want), as opposed to grounding at only one end >(electrostatic shield). What is the nature of the noise? Is it a 'pop' each time the strobe fires or is it a whine that sweeps in synchronization with the strobe firing? Is the noise affected by adjusting volume on the radio? When there is no signal being received by the radio and the background noise is squelched, can the noise be heard? For the most part, shielding of the strobe wiring has little or zero benefit for noise reduction. The 'pop' phenomenon is most often associated with radiated noise from the strobe tube and is generally worse when the victim receiver's antenna is mounted close to the tube. The whining noise is usually conducted on the 14v power lines but it can get into the system via the radio or the external audio processing like the intercom. You first need to evaluate the questions above to identify the mode of propagation and exactly WHICH system is being victimized. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:04 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? At 09:58 AM 6/16/2010, you wrote: > > >'lectric Bob > >Do you have a ballpark estimate of when the AEC9024 modules might be >available for sale? Do you have a ballpark estimate of what the >price might be? I've finished the board layout and my software guy is working on the code. This one is a little trickier in that there are four sets of software in the device which can be invoked by the installer to achieve the desired function. It will be this summer after I get done with the "Mother of all garage sales" and we've fully combed the software for bugs. The target price for this product is $35. >When the AEC9024-20 is used as an O.V. Protect Module, it appears >that the 5A. pullable breaker is not needed. Correct? Correct. The AEC9024 is a relay controller and functions to break the power path to the alternator/generator field or the AC power from the dynamo. It's not a crowbar system. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:11 AM PST US From: Wndwlkr1228@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Panel Labeling Why not just let Stein do it for $20.00? They will print one entire sheet of labels in the color of your choice, if I understand correctly. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:21 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Panel Labeling Printing directly on the painted panel is much neater=2C cleaner and more p rofessional looking than "labels" in many people's opinion. You can do a ni ce neat "labelling" job but it's still "labels" whereas printing directly o n the panel doesn't give the label's background. (even a clear label still has an outline) Bob McC From: Wndwlkr1228@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Panel Labeling Why not just let Stein do it for $20.00? They will print one entire sheet of labels in the color of your choice=2C if I understand correctly. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:19 AM PST US From: James Robinson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? Hi Bob How is this different/better than the OV modules I have on my engine now. Maybe I got into this thread late Jim James Robinson Glasair lll N79R Spanish Fork UT U77 ________________________________ From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 8:34:54 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? At 09:58 AM 6/16/2010, you wrote: > > 'lectric Bob > > Do you have a ballpark estimate of when the AEC9024 modules might be available for sale? Do you have a ballpark estimate of what the price might be? I've finished the board layout and my software guy is working on the code. This one is a little trickier in that there are four sets of software in the device which can be invoked by the installer to achieve the desired function. It will be this summer after I get done with the "Mother of all garage sales" and we've fully combed the software for bugs. The target price for this product is $35. > When the AEC9024-20 is used as an O.V. Protect Module, it appears that the 5A. pullable breaker is not needed. Correct? Correct. The AEC9024 is a relay controller and functions to break the power path to the alternator/generator field or the AC power from the dynamo. It's not a crowbar system. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:13 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9024 - Ballpark?? At 12:02 PM 6/16/2010, you wrote: >Hi Bob >How is this different/better than the OV modules I have on my engine >now. Maybe I got into this thread late Just different. No improvements on functionality. It's a new product that offers the builder an option of using it in 4 different functions from a single product. It also markedly reduces our inventory requirements to support the product line . . . one part does 4 things. 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