AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Thu 08/19/10


Total Messages Posted: 24



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     1. 02:07 AM - OT starting build (rayj)
     2. 03:37 AM - Re: OT starting build (Bruce Gray)
     3. 04:01 AM - Re: OT starting build (David & Elaine Lamphere)
     4. 05:46 AM - Re: Who sells 26 gage wire (glen matejcek)
     5. 06:41 AM - Re: OT starting build (DeWitt Whittington)
     6. 07:35 AM - Re: OT starting build (Steve Thomas)
     7. 09:45 AM - Alternator putting out too much amperage (Jim Thorne)
     8. 09:53 AM - Re: OT starting build (David & Elaine Lamphere)
     9. 10:11 AM - Re: Alternator putting out too much amperage (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ)
    10. 10:21 AM - Re: Tray Connectors...A Bad Idea. (Eric M. Jones)
    11. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Who sells 26 gage wire (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    12. 01:41 PM - Re: Alternator putting out too much amperage (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    13. 02:59 PM - Re: OT starting build (Kelly McMullen)
    14. 03:46 PM - Re: OT starting build (Steve Thomas)
    15. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Jasco Alternator and Panel Ground Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    16. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    17. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Charlie England)
    18. 08:15 PM - Problem posting (rayj)
    19. 08:26 PM - problem reply (rayj)
    20. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    21. 09:21 PM - Re: problem reply (Kelly McMullen)
    22. 09:30 PM - Re: problem reply (rayj)
    23. 10:00 PM - Re: Battery cables (Jim Leyden)
    24. 10:12 PM - Re: Battery cables (rayj)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:07:24 AM PST US
    From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: OT starting build
    I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help would be appreciated. do not archive Thanks, Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN


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    Time: 03:37:16 AM PST US
    From: "Bruce Gray" <bgray@glasair.org>
    Subject: OT starting build
    Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the EAA technical counselor program now. No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your final inspection. The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and forms. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help would be appreciated. do not archive Thanks, Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN


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    Time: 04:01:22 AM PST US
    From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <dalamphere@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: OT starting build
    Raymond, The EAA has a great package of forms and info on registering your homebuilt. It also includes some labels you can use for your panel. I used this package and I had no problems dealing with the FAA when I went through the airworthiness inspection. The inspector I dealt with recommended it to another builder. It seems like the FAA these days is really is more concerned about your paperwork than your workmanship. My inspector did know what he was doing, ex A+P and all.. Here's the link to it: http://www.shopeaa.com/amateur-builtcertificationkit.aspx Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:05 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build > > I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA > when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the > info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that > disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help would > be appreciated. > > do not archive > > Thanks, > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > >


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    Time: 05:46:40 AM PST US
    From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
    Subject: RE: Who sells 26 gage wire
    Hi Bob- >But 26AWG???? The smallest airframe wire in >general usage for about 70 years has been >22AWG. Which makes 26 AWG perfect for a fusible link, no? >I added the fusible link kits to the AEC >catalog a few years back because 24AWG >wire was rarely found in the wilds of >an avionics or airframe repair shop... ...So if it exists in somebody's wire harness, >it's an extra-ordinary material. I believe at least some of B&B's business is surplus, and their 100' coils for sale are pulled off of rather large spools. If I recall correctly, I have about 99' 6" of the stuff left over... Glen Matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net


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    Time: 06:41:17 AM PST US
    From: DeWitt Whittington <dee.whittington@gmail.com>
    Subject: OT starting build
    Bruce and all, More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the proper documentation, records and procedures they should have followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond. Dee At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote: > >Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA >preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the >EAA technical counselor program now. > >No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your >final inspection. > >The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your >local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and >forms. > >Bruce >www.Glasair.org > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build > > >I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA >when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the > >info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that >disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help >would be appreciated. > >do not archive > >Thanks, > >Raymond Julian >Kettle River, MN > > DeWitt (Dee) Whittington 406 N Mulberry St Richmond, VA 23220-3320 (804) 358-4333 phone and fax SKYPE: hilltopkid dee.whittington@gmail.com


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    Time: 07:35:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: OT starting build
    From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
    Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated, working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held up my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since been cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they simply responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No". They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances for a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and two months later, the FSDO finally relented. Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all. My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may vary. I used the EAA certification packet as well, and, other than a obstinate FSDO, guided me to a successful certification. I wholeheartedly endorse the EAA packet. Steve Thomas ________________________________________________________________________ On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote: > Bruce and all, > > More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the proper documentation, records and procedures they should have followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond. > > Dee


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    Time: 09:45:55 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Thorne" <rv7a@cox.net>
    Subject: Alternator putting out too much amperage
    This is a problem I am having that is starting to concern me. I have an RV7A with the standard Van's internally regulated alternator. My Dynon D-180 shows that when I am running it is producing 13.6 volts but the amps can be as high as 42 Amps. I have turned off the strobes and wig-wags and it will drop a few amps but continues at and excessively high rate. The battery is a new PC-680 with a full charge. My questions are this: Will the high amperage fry my radios and EFIS even though it shows it is only putting out 13.6 volts. Two where do I start looking for the problem? This is very concerning to me. Jim Thorne RV7A CHD


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    Time: 09:53:48 AM PST US
    From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" <dalamphere@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: OT starting build
    I had to wait for completion of my 40 hrs also, before the FSDO would give me my repairman's certificate. The inspector's reason was that there have been so many experimentals completed but never got to 40 hrs - so why bother with the paperwork. After my 40hrs I went to the FSDO office (right near Dulles airport) and sure enough, the inspector reviewed my paperwork and got me the certificate. I understand there are a lot of the "other kind" of inspectors, so I guess I got off rather easily. Dave Wittman Tailwind N365DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Thomas" <lists@stevet.net> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:29 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build > > Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project > certificated, working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van > Nuys office held up my certification for months, having pulled out of the > archives a memo restricting flights of experimentals from my home airport. > The memo had long since been cancelled, but when I applied for my > certification through my DAR, they simply responded with a "No." They did > not offer any alternatives, just ,"No". They actually told my DAR that I > could appeal the decision, but the chances for a different outcome was > nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and two months later, the > FSDO finally relented. > > Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had > completed my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority > at all. > > My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage > may vary. > > I used the EAA certification packet as well, and, other than a obstinate > FSDO, guided me to a successful certification. I wholeheartedly endorse > the EAA packet. > > > Steve Thomas > ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 10:11:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Alternator putting out too much amperage
    From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil>
    Jim - Have you confirmed with separate instruments of known quality/calibration that your alternator is in fact making 42-amps at 13.6-vdc? How do you measure the current? Hall-effect transducer or current shunt? Are you confident that the measuring device (shunt or HET) is matched to the display instrument? A 60-amp, 50mv shunt will not interact correctly with a meter that expects to be paired with a 40-amp, 50mv shunt. neal CherokeeJet N9586J RV-7 N8ZG -----Original Message----- This is a problem I am having that is starting to concern me. I have an RV7A with the standard Van's internally regulated alternator. My Dynon D-180 shows that when I am running it is producing 13.6 volts but the amps can be as high as 42 Amps. I have turned off the strobes and wig-wags and it will drop a few amps but continues at and excessively high rate. The battery is a new PC-680 with a full charge. My questions are this: Will the high amperage fry my radios and EFIS even though it shows it is only putting out 13.6 volts. Two where do I start looking for the problem? This is very concerning to me. Jim Thorne RV7A CHD


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    Time: 10:21:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tray Connectors...A Bad Idea.
    From: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
    Bill, I don't have any specific plans, but I've seen the problem and experienced it. I suppose one could demount the female connector, fasten it to the back of the avionics box and male connector and add a cannon round connector (or such). Your mileage may vary. Eric -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309424#309424


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    Time: 01:41:38 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Who sells 26 gage wire
    At 07:43 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote: <aerobubba@earthlink.net> Hi Bob- >But 26AWG???? The smallest airframe wire in >general usage for about 70 years has been >22AWG. Which makes 26 AWG perfect for a fusible link, no? Sorta. It's making connections that are problematic. We already doubled over 24AWG in the red-PIDG terminals and the insulation grip may not come down on 26AWG. This is why the shunt extensions illustrated in the z-figures are electrically "oversized" and the fusible links are "buffed up" with the fiberglas sleeving. >it's an extra-ordinary material. I believe at least some of B&B's business is surplus, and their 100' coils for sale are pulled off of rather large spools. If I recall correctly, I have about 99' 6" of the stuff left over... I don't doubt that folks do have 26AWG wire but I don't think it's 22759. It may be some other, equally suitable wire but it's a good thing to ask. In the TC airframe business, smallest wires are evaluated carefully both for electrical, mechanical and handling qualities. Largest wires are too . . . there are a number of parallel conductors on airplanes to satisfy electrical design goals for larger fat wires when more strands of smaller wire were friendlier to the factory floor and field mechanics. If one can find the wire and is comfortable with integrating it into the system . . . have at it! Bob . . .


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    Time: 01:41:43 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Alternator putting out too much amperage
    At 12:11 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote: >Jim - > >Have you confirmed with separate instruments of known quality/calibration >that your alternator is in fact making 42-amps at 13.6-vdc? > >How do you measure the current? Hall-effect transducer or current shunt? > >Are you confident that the measuring device (shunt or HET) is matched to the >display instrument? A 60-amp, 50mv shunt will not interact correctly with a >meter that expects to be paired with a 40-amp, 50mv shunt. > >neal >CherokeeJet N9586J Good ideas Neal. This does sound like an instrument calibration/scale-factor problem. Bob . . .


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    Time: 02:59:27 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: OT starting build
    There is another avenue that can be pursued with finding out what issues are causing the problem with the FSDO, although it may or may not take higher level involvement. EAA Tech counselors, and DARs often have their own personal contacts in the FSDO, or you may be able to find a FAAST team rep who can go to bat for you with the FSDO. Wearing both Tech Counselor and FAAST hats I can talk to my FAAST FAA rep, who has an office in the local FSDO, but works for the regional FSDO. He has the experience and contacts on the inside to at least get answers, and if they aren't satisfactory, then you can bring in the big guns. But it often does work to solve things at the lowest possible level, before people get their heels dug in defending their position. Especially when a colleague can gently say to the inspector, you know that memo was rescinded last year, maybe while you were on vacation. That way everyone saves face. Kelly On 8/19/2010 7:29 AM, Steve Thomas wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Thomas<lists@stevet.net> > > Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated, working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held up my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since been cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they simply responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No". They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances for a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and two months later, the FSDO finally relented. > > Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all. > > My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may vary.


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    Time: 03:46:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: OT starting build
    From: Steve Thomas <lists@stevet.net>
    I certainly appreciate that saving face is a good objective. However, "No" does not leave much room for maneuvering. I actually contacted several resources that had some influence with my FSDO and they all told me the same thing. There was nothing they could do. I even had an inside contact who did not even know that my problem was eventually resolved. Not real effective communication even within the office. I would have loved to have a reasonable situation to work with - it was not to be. Steve ________________________________________________________________________ On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > There is another avenue that can be pursued with finding out what issues are causing the problem with the FSDO, although it may or may not take higher level involvement. EAA Tech counselors, and DARs often have their own personal contacts in the FSDO, or you may be able to find a FAAST team rep who can go to bat for you with the FSDO. Wearing both Tech Counselor and FAAST hats I can talk to my FAAST FAA rep, who has an office in the local FSDO, but works for the regional FSDO. He has the experience and contacts on the inside to at least get answers, and if they aren't satisfactory, then you can bring in the big guns. But it often does work to solve things at the lowest possible level, before people get their heels dug in defending their position. Especially when a colleague can gently say to the inspector, you know that memo was rescinded last year, maybe while you were on vacation. That way everyone saves face. > Kelly > > > On 8/19/2010 7:29 AM, Steve wrote: >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Thomas<lists@stevet.net> >> >> Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated, working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held up my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since been cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they simply responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No". They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances for a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and two months later, the FSDO finally relented. >> >> Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all. >> >> My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may vary. > > > >


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    Time: 04:12:43 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Jasco Alternator and Panel Ground Questions
    At 10:38 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: > >Thanks for the help, guys. Rereading Bob's book I see now where the >Avionics ground bus does tie to the main ground either with the >three 20 gauge or two 14 gauge wires. > >Won't see you at Galesburg this year Bob, but maybe in '12. > >I'd sure like to use the LR3C-14 after reading about it (besides I >already bought one!) as it looks like an overall simpler >installation and comes complete with the OV protection and low voltage warning. That was the design goal for the full line of B&C alternator controllers. Bill decided that if a B&C regulator was going to be used that it include LV warning and OV management. The $200+ gizmo is three products in one box already wired up to work together. It was a descendant of an idea I offered to Cessna and Beech both back in the 80's . . . but was not to be until the OBAM aircraft market matured. The LR3 will work with the JASCO alternator just fine. Unlike generators, alternators are exceedingly tolerant of variability in the regulation transfer function. I don't think I've ever encountered an alternator from 40 to 125A that wouldn't work with about any regulator I drug off the shelf. Bob . . .


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    Time: 04:17:10 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed
    At 09:13 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: ><rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > >Figured I share information I have about hooking up a handheld >Vertex VXA700 to an audio panel since help form other sources seems >to be in short order: >http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81045 >This is cable that allows you to use an external PTT switch. You can >select a higher resolution on top right of page. > >Here is completed cable and schematic: >http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81445 Ron, would you scan copies of your schematics and send them to me? I'd be pleased to post them to the website. I sucked your posted camera images into PhotoShop but they were not sufficiently exposed to pop out the linework. A paper copy mailed to me or a scanned .jpg/.tiff/.etc would be better. Bob . . .


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    Time: 05:28:49 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed
    On 8/19/2010 6:16 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> > > At 09:13 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: >> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> >> >> Figured I share information I have about hooking up a handheld Vertex >> VXA700 to an audio panel since help form other sources seems to be in >> short order: >> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81045 >> This is cable that allows you to use an external PTT switch. You can >> select a higher resolution on top right of page. >> >> Here is completed cable and schematic: >> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81445 > > Ron, would you scan copies of your schematics > and send them to me? I'd be pleased to post them > to the website. I sucked your posted camera images > into PhotoShop but they were not sufficiently exposed > to pop out the linework. > > A paper copy mailed to me or a scanned .jpg/.tiff/.etc > would be better. > > Bob . . . Bob, Did you try the higher res image? I couldn't see the small one, but the hi res version was readable, at least on my screen. Charlie


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    Time: 08:15:07 PM PST US
    From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Problem posting
    Greetings, I just tried to reply to a message and it was rejected by matronics because it didn't have a "plain text section". Any one else having a problem? I have posted and replied many times. I think it might be a problem at matronics. -- Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN


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    Time: 08:26:01 PM PST US
    From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: problem reply
    Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they think you should have. The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process is that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven wings and tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out what is required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is airworthy. If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need an FEA of every joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find out I had to start over from scratch. Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an FAA inspector? Thanks again to everyone for their input. do not archive Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote: > Bruce and all, > > More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local builders > to contact their office before starting a project. I don't think > there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found when > the project is finished some builders are not aware of the proper > documentation, records and procedures they should have followed. They > really do want to help. We have a particularly friendly FSDO office to > homebuilders here in Richmond. > > Dee > > At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote: >> >> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA >> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the >> EAA technical counselor program now. >> >> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your >> final inspection. >> >> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your >> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and >> forms. >> >> Bruce >> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj >> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM >> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build >> >> >> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA >> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the >> >> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that >> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help >> would be appreciated. >> >> do not archive >> >> Thanks, >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> >> >> >> >> AeroElectric-List Email Forum - >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington >> 406 N Mulberry St >> Richmond, VA 23220-3320 >> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax >> SKYPE: hilltopkid >> dee.whittington@gmail.com >> >> * >> >> >> * -- Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN


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    Time: 09:16:00 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed
    At 07:15 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote: ><ceengland@bellsouth.net> > > >Did you try the higher res image? I couldn't see the small one, but >the hi res version was readable, at least on my screen. Missed that. Thanks! I think it will work for me. Will fiddle with it a bit in the morning. Bob . . .


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    Time: 09:21:32 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: problem reply
    In this case you do need buy in from the FAA upfront. Using parts of a certified plane complicates approval, as you will have to show that 51% of the plane is from non-certified sources that you assembled. All of the wing build tasks and tail build tasks will be subtracted from the overall percentage. So you need the FAA to agree what you propose will meet the homebuilt requirement of 51%. On 8/19/2010 8:25 PM, rayj wrote: > > > Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm > thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they > think you should have. > > The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process > is that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven > wings and tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out > what is required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is > airworthy. If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need > an FEA of every joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find > out I had to start over from scratch. > > Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an > FAA inspector? > > Thanks again to everyone for their input. > > do not archive > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > > On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote: >> Bruce and all, >> >> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local >> builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't >> think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found >> when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the >> proper documentation, records and procedures they should have >> followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly >> friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond. >> >> Dee >> >> At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote: >>> <bgray@glasair.org> >>> >>> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA >>> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the >>> EAA technical counselor program now. >>> >>> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your >>> final inspection. >>> >>> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to >>> your >>> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and >>> forms. >>> >>> Bruce >>> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>> rayj >>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM >>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build >>> >>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net> >>> >>> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA >>> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find >>> the >>> >>> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that >>> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help >>> would be appreciated. >>> >>> do not archive >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Raymond Julian >>> Kettle River, MN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> AeroElectric-List Email Forum - >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington >>> 406 N Mulberry St >>> Richmond, VA 23220-3320 >>> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax >>> SKYPE: hilltopkid >>> dee.whittington@gmail.com >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> *


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    Time: 09:30:16 PM PST US
    From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: problem reply
    The wings and tail are from experimental aircraft and will be built by me. Still, I think it would be a good idea to start talking to the FAA early. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN On 08/19/2010 11:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > <kellym@aviating.com> > > In this case you do need buy in from the FAA upfront. Using parts of > a certified plane complicates approval, as you will have to show that > 51% of the plane is from non-certified sources that you assembled. All > of the wing build tasks and tail build tasks will be subtracted from > the overall percentage. So you need the FAA to agree what you propose > will meet the homebuilt requirement of 51%. > > > On 8/19/2010 8:25 PM, rayj wrote: >> >> >> Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm >> thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they >> think you should have. >> >> The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process >> is that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven >> wings and tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out >> what is required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is >> airworthy. If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need >> an FEA of every joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find >> out I had to start over from scratch. >> >> Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an >> FAA inspector? >> >> Thanks again to everyone for their input. >> >> do not archive >> >> Raymond Julian >> Kettle River, MN >> >> >> On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote: >>> Bruce and all, >>> >>> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local >>> builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't >>> think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found >>> when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the >>> proper documentation, records and procedures they should have >>> followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly >>> friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond. >>> >>> Dee >>> >>> At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote: >>>> <bgray@glasair.org> >>>> >>>> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA >>>> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the >>>> EAA technical counselor program now. >>>> >>>> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your >>>> final inspection. >>>> >>>> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to >>>> your >>>> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and >>>> forms. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >>>> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>>> rayj >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM >>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build >>>> >>>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net> >>>> >>>> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA >>>> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to >>>> find the >>>> >>>> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that >>>> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help >>>> would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Raymond Julian >>>> Kettle River, MN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> AeroElectric-List Email Forum - >>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >>>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>>> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington >>>> 406 N Mulberry St >>>> Richmond, VA 23220-3320 >>>> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax >>>> SKYPE: hilltopkid >>>> dee.whittington@gmail.com >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * > >


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    Time: 10:00:01 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Leyden" <jndleyden@comcast.net>
    Subject: Battery cables
    That particular Terminal Feed Through Connector is only rated 250A @48VDC. You would probably be better served purchasing the 400A @48VDC version from Blue Sea Systems. http://bluesea.com/products/2206 They also carry both Black and Red and they are identical to the ones on Ebay except in a larger amperage rating and slightly larger physical size. I wouldn't be surprised if they were cheaper from Blue Sky either. $11/each seems kinda pricey to me. Jim _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RGent1224@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery cables Check this solution out I'll be using them when the time comes http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-3-8-Stud-Type-Junction-Block-_W0QQcmdZVie wItemQQitemZ350377856912QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories They also have black Dick In a message dated 8/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dougshep@netzero.com writes: I'm building an RV-9A with an Eggenfellner Subaru E6 engine. I will be mounting my batteries in the tailcone of the AC, and will have to route the power cables (probably two #6 wire size with terminals) fwd to the firewall. Since I have an all metal AC, how do I terminate this large cable on the firewall (aft side), with connecting cables, going fwd to the starter and also to the instr panel? Haven't been able to find any type of an insulated standoff for this. Can you recommend something? Also, where can I get a schematic for the Wig-Wag circuit so I can interface to it? =================================== List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================


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    Time: 10:12:10 PM PST US
    From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Battery cables
    Do we know anything about the fire resistance of these? do not archive Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN On 08/19/2010 11:58 PM, Jim Leyden wrote: > > That particular Terminal Feed Through Connector is only rated 250A > @48VDC. You would probably be better served purchasing the 400A @48VDC > version from Blue Sea Systems. > > http://bluesea.com/products/2206 > > They also carry both Black and Red and they are identical to the ones > on Ebay except in a larger amperage rating and slightly larger > physical size. I wouldnt be surprised if they were cheaper from Blue > Sky either. $11/each seems kinda pricey to me. > > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *RGent1224@aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:02 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery cables > > Check this solution out I'll be using them when the time comes > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-3-8-Stud-Type-Junction-Block-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ350377856912QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > They also have black > > Dick > > In a message dated 8/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > dougshep@netzero.com writes: > > I'm building an RV-9A with an Eggenfellner Subaru E6 engine. I > will be mounting my batteries in the tailcone of the AC, and will > have to route the power cables (probably two #6 wire size with > terminals) fwd to the firewall. Since I have an all metal AC, how > do I terminate this large cable on the firewall (aft side), with > connecting cables, going fwd to the starter and also to the instr > panel? Haven't been able to find any type of an insulated standoff > for this. Can you recommend something? > > > Also, where can I get a schematic for the Wig-Wag circuit so I can > interface to it? > > * * > > * * > > *====================================* > > *List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > *====================================* > > *ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *====================================* > > *tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > *====================================* > > * * > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * > > > *




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