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1. 02:07 AM - OT starting build (rayj)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: OT starting build (Bruce Gray)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: OT starting build (David & Elaine Lamphere)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Who sells 26 gage wire (glen matejcek)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: OT starting build (DeWitt Whittington)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: OT starting build (Steve Thomas)
7. 09:45 AM - Alternator putting out too much amperage (Jim Thorne)
8. 09:53 AM - Re: OT starting build (David & Elaine Lamphere)
9. 10:11 AM - Re: Alternator putting out too much amperage (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ)
10. 10:21 AM - Re: Tray Connectors...A Bad Idea. (Eric M. Jones)
11. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Who sells 26 gage wire (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: Alternator putting out too much amperage (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: OT starting build (Kelly McMullen)
14. 03:46 PM - Re: OT starting build (Steve Thomas)
15. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Jasco Alternator and Panel Ground Questions (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
16. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
17. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Charlie England)
18. 08:15 PM - Problem posting (rayj)
19. 08:26 PM - problem reply (rayj)
20. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 09:21 PM - Re: problem reply (Kelly McMullen)
22. 09:30 PM - Re: problem reply (rayj)
23. 10:00 PM - Re: Battery cables (Jim Leyden)
24. 10:12 PM - Re: Battery cables (rayj)
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Subject: | OT starting build |
I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the
info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
would be appreciated.
do not archive
Thanks,
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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Subject: | OT starting build |
Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA
preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the
EAA technical counselor program now.
No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your
final inspection.
The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your
local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and
forms.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the
info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
would be appreciated.
do not archive
Thanks,
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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Subject: | Re: OT starting build |
Raymond,
The EAA has a great package of forms and info on registering your homebuilt.
It also includes some labels you can use for your panel.
I used this package and I had no problems dealing with the FAA when I
went through the airworthiness inspection. The inspector I dealt with
recommended
it to another builder.
It seems like the FAA these days is really is more concerned about your
paperwork
than your workmanship. My inspector did know what he was doing, ex A+P and
all..
Here's the link to it:
http://www.shopeaa.com/amateur-builtcertificationkit.aspx
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "rayj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:05 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>
> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the
> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help would
> be appreciated.
>
> do not archive
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
>
>
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Subject: | RE: Who sells 26 gage wire |
Hi Bob-
>But 26AWG???? The smallest airframe wire in
>general usage for about 70 years has been
>22AWG.
Which makes 26 AWG perfect for a fusible link, no?
>I added the fusible link kits to the AEC
>catalog a few years back because 24AWG
>wire was rarely found in the wilds of
>an avionics or airframe repair shop... ...So if it exists in somebody's
wire harness,
>it's an extra-ordinary material.
I believe at least some of B&B's business is surplus, and their 100' coils
for sale are pulled off of rather large spools. If I recall correctly, I
have about 99' 6" of the stuff left over...
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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Subject: | OT starting build |
Bruce and all,
More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local
builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't
think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found
when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the
proper documentation, records and procedures they should have
followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly
friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond.
Dee
At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
>
>Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA
>preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the
>EAA technical counselor program now.
>
>No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your
>final inspection.
>
>The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your
>local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and
>forms.
>
>Bruce
>www.Glasair.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>
>
>I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
>when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the
>
>info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
>disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
>would be appreciated.
>
>do not archive
>
>Thanks,
>
>Raymond Julian
>Kettle River, MN
>
>
DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
406 N Mulberry St
Richmond, VA 23220-3320
(804) 358-4333 phone and fax
SKYPE: hilltopkid
dee.whittington@gmail.com
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Subject: | Re: OT starting build |
Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated,
working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held up
my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting
flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since been
cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they simply
responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No".
They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances for
a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and
two months later, the FSDO finally relented.
Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed
my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all.
My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may vary.
I used the EAA certification packet as well, and, other than a obstinate FSDO,
guided me to a successful certification. I wholeheartedly endorse the EAA packet.
Steve Thomas
________________________________________________________________________
On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote:
> Bruce and all,
>
> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local builders to contact
their office before starting a project. I don't think there is any regulatory
requirement, just that they have found when the project is finished some
builders are not aware of the proper documentation, records and procedures they
should have followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly friendly
FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond.
>
> Dee
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Subject: | Alternator putting out too much amperage |
This is a problem I am having that is starting to concern me. I have an
RV7A with the standard Van's internally regulated alternator. My Dynon
D-180 shows that when I am running it is producing 13.6 volts but the
amps can be as high as 42 Amps. I have turned off the strobes and
wig-wags and it will drop a few amps but continues at and excessively
high rate. The battery is a new PC-680 with a full charge. My
questions are this: Will the high amperage fry my radios and EFIS even
though it shows it is only putting out 13.6 volts. Two where do I start
looking for the problem? This is very concerning to me.
Jim Thorne
RV7A CHD
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Subject: | Re: OT starting build |
I had to wait for completion of my 40 hrs also, before the FSDO would give
me my repairman's certificate. The inspector's reason was that there have
been so many experimentals completed but never got to 40 hrs - so why bother
with the paperwork.
After my 40hrs I went to the FSDO office (right near Dulles airport) and
sure enough, the inspector reviewed my paperwork and got me the certificate.
I understand there are a lot of the "other kind" of inspectors, so I guess I
got off rather easily.
Dave
Wittman Tailwind N365DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Thomas" <lists@stevet.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>
> Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project
> certificated, working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van
> Nuys office held up my certification for months, having pulled out of the
> archives a memo restricting flights of experimentals from my home airport.
> The memo had long since been cancelled, but when I applied for my
> certification through my DAR, they simply responded with a "No." They did
> not offer any alternatives, just ,"No". They actually told my DAR that I
> could appeal the decision, but the chances for a different outcome was
> nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and two months later, the
> FSDO finally relented.
>
> Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had
> completed my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority
> at all.
>
> My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage
> may vary.
>
> I used the EAA certification packet as well, and, other than a obstinate
> FSDO, guided me to a successful certification. I wholeheartedly endorse
> the EAA packet.
>
>
> Steve Thomas
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: | Alternator putting out too much amperage |
Jim -
Have you confirmed with separate instruments of known quality/calibration
that your alternator is in fact making 42-amps at 13.6-vdc?
How do you measure the current? Hall-effect transducer or current shunt?
Are you confident that the measuring device (shunt or HET) is matched to the
display instrument? A 60-amp, 50mv shunt will not interact correctly with a
meter that expects to be paired with a 40-amp, 50mv shunt.
neal
CherokeeJet N9586J
RV-7 N8ZG
-----Original Message-----
This is a problem I am having that is starting to concern me. I have an
RV7A with the standard Van's internally regulated alternator. My Dynon
D-180 shows that when I am running it is producing 13.6 volts but the amps
can be as high as 42 Amps. I have turned off the strobes and wig-wags and
it will drop a few amps but continues at and excessively high rate. The
battery is a new PC-680 with a full charge. My questions are this: Will the
high amperage fry my radios and EFIS even though it shows it is only putting
out 13.6 volts. Two where do I start looking for the problem? This is very
concerning to me.
Jim Thorne
RV7A CHD
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Subject: | Re: Tray Connectors...A Bad Idea. |
Bill,
I don't have any specific plans, but I've seen the problem and experienced it.
I suppose one could demount the female connector, fasten it to the back of the
avionics box and male connector and add a cannon round connector (or such).
Your mileage may vary.
Eric
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309424#309424
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Subject: | Re: RE: Who sells 26 gage wire |
At 07:43 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
<aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Bob-
>But 26AWG???? The smallest airframe wire in
>general usage for about 70 years has been
>22AWG.
Which makes 26 AWG perfect for a fusible link, no?
Sorta. It's making connections that are problematic.
We already doubled over 24AWG in the red-PIDG
terminals and the insulation grip may not
come down on 26AWG. This is why the shunt extensions
illustrated in the z-figures are electrically "oversized"
and the fusible links are "buffed up" with the
fiberglas sleeving.
>it's an extra-ordinary material.
I believe at least some of B&B's business is surplus, and their 100' coils
for sale are pulled off of rather large spools. If I recall correctly, I
have about 99' 6" of the stuff left over...
I don't doubt that folks do have 26AWG wire
but I don't think it's 22759. It may be some
other, equally suitable wire but it's a good
thing to ask.
In the TC airframe business, smallest wires
are evaluated carefully both for electrical,
mechanical and handling qualities. Largest
wires are too . . . there are a number of
parallel conductors on airplanes to satisfy
electrical design goals for larger fat wires
when more strands of smaller wire were friendlier
to the factory floor and field mechanics.
If one can find the wire and is comfortable with
integrating it into the system . . . have at it!
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Alternator putting out too much amperage |
At 12:11 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
>Jim -
>
>Have you confirmed with separate instruments of known quality/calibration
>that your alternator is in fact making 42-amps at 13.6-vdc?
>
>How do you measure the current? Hall-effect transducer or current shunt?
>
>Are you confident that the measuring device (shunt or HET) is matched to the
>display instrument? A 60-amp, 50mv shunt will not interact correctly with a
>meter that expects to be paired with a 40-amp, 50mv shunt.
>
>neal
>CherokeeJet N9586J
Good ideas Neal. This does sound like an
instrument calibration/scale-factor problem.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: OT starting build |
There is another avenue that can be pursued with finding out what
issues are causing the problem with the FSDO, although it may or may not
take higher level involvement. EAA Tech counselors, and DARs often have
their own personal contacts in the FSDO, or you may be able to find a
FAAST team rep who can go to bat for you with the FSDO. Wearing both
Tech Counselor and FAAST hats I can talk to my FAAST FAA rep, who has an
office in the local FSDO, but works for the regional FSDO. He has the
experience and contacts on the inside to at least get answers, and if
they aren't satisfactory, then you can bring in the big guns. But it
often does work to solve things at the lowest possible level, before
people get their heels dug in defending their position. Especially when
a colleague can gently say to the inspector, you know that memo was
rescinded last year, maybe while you were on vacation. That way everyone
saves face.
Kelly
On 8/19/2010 7:29 AM, Steve Thomas wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Thomas<lists@stevet.net>
>
> Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated,
working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held up
my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting
flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since
been cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they simply
responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No".
They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances
for a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help, and
two months later, the FSDO finally relented.
>
> Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed
my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all.
>
> My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may vary.
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Subject: | Re: OT starting build |
I certainly appreciate that saving face is a good objective. However, "No" does
not leave much room for maneuvering. I actually contacted several resources
that had some influence with my FSDO and they all told me the same thing. There
was nothing they could do. I even had an inside contact who did not even
know that my problem was eventually resolved. Not real effective communication
even within the office.
I would have loved to have a reasonable situation to work with - it was not to
be.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________
On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> There is another avenue that can be pursued with finding out what issues are
causing the problem with the FSDO, although it may or may not take higher level
involvement. EAA Tech counselors, and DARs often have their own personal contacts
in the FSDO, or you may be able to find a FAAST team rep who can go to bat
for you with the FSDO. Wearing both Tech Counselor and FAAST hats I can talk
to my FAAST FAA rep, who has an office in the local FSDO, but works for the
regional FSDO. He has the experience and contacts on the inside to at least get
answers, and if they aren't satisfactory, then you can bring in the big guns.
But it often does work to solve things at the lowest possible level, before
people get their heels dug in defending their position. Especially when a colleague
can gently say to the inspector, you know that memo was rescinded last year,
maybe while you were on vacation. That way everyone saves face.
> Kelly
>
>
> On 8/19/2010 7:29 AM, Steve wrote:
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Steve Thomas<lists@stevet.net>
>>
>> Let me offer an alternative view. I just recently had my project certificated,
working through the Van Nuys FSDO. The folks in the Van Nuys office held
up my certification for months, having pulled out of the archives a memo restricting
flights of experimentals from my home airport. The memo had long since
been cancelled, but when I applied for my certification through my DAR, they
simply responded with a "No." They did not offer any alternatives, just ,"No".
They actually told my DAR that I could appeal the decision, but the chances
for a different outcome was nil. I had to engage the National EAA for help,
and two months later, the FSDO finally relented.
>>
>> Further, the FSDO refused to issue a repairman certificate until I had completed
my 40 hour flight test period, for which they had no authority at all.
>>
>> My experience indicates that the FSDO is not your friend. Your mileage may
vary.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jasco Alternator and Panel Ground Questions |
At 10:38 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote:
>
>Thanks for the help, guys. Rereading Bob's book I see now where the
>Avionics ground bus does tie to the main ground either with the
>three 20 gauge or two 14 gauge wires.
>
>Won't see you at Galesburg this year Bob, but maybe in '12.
>
>I'd sure like to use the LR3C-14 after reading about it (besides I
>already bought one!) as it looks like an overall simpler
>installation and comes complete with the OV protection and low voltage warning.
That was the design goal for the full line of
B&C alternator controllers. Bill decided that
if a B&C regulator was going to be used that it
include LV warning and OV management. The
$200+ gizmo is three products in one box
already wired up to work together. It was
a descendant of an idea I offered to Cessna
and Beech both back in the 80's . . . but was
not to be until the OBAM aircraft market
matured.
The LR3 will work with the JASCO alternator
just fine. Unlike generators, alternators are
exceedingly tolerant of variability in the
regulation transfer function. I don't think
I've ever encountered an alternator from 40 to
125A that wouldn't work with about any regulator
I drug off the shelf.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed |
At 09:13 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote:
><rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>Figured I share information I have about hooking up a handheld
>Vertex VXA700 to an audio panel since help form other sources seems
>to be in short order:
>http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81045
>This is cable that allows you to use an external PTT switch. You can
>select a higher resolution on top right of page.
>
>Here is completed cable and schematic:
>http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81445
Ron, would you scan copies of your schematics
and send them to me? I'd be pleased to post them
to the website. I sucked your posted camera images
into PhotoShop but they were not sufficiently exposed
to pop out the linework.
A paper copy mailed to me or a scanned .jpg/.tiff/.etc
would be better.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed |
On 8/19/2010 6:16 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 09:13 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote:
>> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>>
>> Figured I share information I have about hooking up a handheld Vertex
>> VXA700 to an audio panel since help form other sources seems to be in
>> short order:
>> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81045
>> This is cable that allows you to use an external PTT switch. You can
>> select a higher resolution on top right of page.
>>
>> Here is completed cable and schematic:
>> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81445
>
> Ron, would you scan copies of your schematics
> and send them to me? I'd be pleased to post them
> to the website. I sucked your posted camera images
> into PhotoShop but they were not sufficiently exposed
> to pop out the linework.
>
> A paper copy mailed to me or a scanned .jpg/.tiff/.etc
> would be better.
>
> Bob . . .
Bob,
Did you try the higher res image? I couldn't see the small one, but the
hi res version was readable, at least on my screen.
Charlie
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Greetings,
I just tried to reply to a message and it was rejected by matronics
because it didn't have a "plain text section". Any one else having a
problem? I have posted and replied many times. I think it might be a
problem at matronics.
--
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm
thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they think
you should have.
The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process is
that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven wings and
tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out what is
required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is airworthy.
If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need an FEA of every
joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find out I had to start
over from scratch.
Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an FAA
inspector?
Thanks again to everyone for their input.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote:
> Bruce and all,
>
> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local builders
> to contact their office before starting a project. I don't think
> there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found when
> the project is finished some builders are not aware of the proper
> documentation, records and procedures they should have followed. They
> really do want to help. We have a particularly friendly FSDO office to
> homebuilders here in Richmond.
>
> Dee
>
> At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA
>> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the
>> EAA technical counselor program now.
>>
>> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your
>> final inspection.
>>
>> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to your
>> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and
>> forms.
>>
>> Bruce
>> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM
>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>>
>>
>> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
>> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find the
>>
>> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
>> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
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>> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
>> 406 N Mulberry St
>> Richmond, VA 23220-3320
>> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax
>> SKYPE: hilltopkid
>> dee.whittington@gmail.com
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Subject: | Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed |
At 07:15 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
><ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>Did you try the higher res image? I couldn't see the small one, but
>the hi res version was readable, at least on my screen.
Missed that. Thanks! I think it will work for
me. Will fiddle with it a bit in the morning.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: problem reply |
In this case you do need buy in from the FAA upfront. Using parts of a
certified plane complicates approval, as you will have to show that 51%
of the plane is from non-certified sources that you assembled. All of
the wing build tasks and tail build tasks will be subtracted from the
overall percentage. So you need the FAA to agree what you propose will
meet the homebuilt requirement of 51%.
On 8/19/2010 8:25 PM, rayj wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm
> thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they
> think you should have.
>
> The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process
> is that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven
> wings and tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out
> what is required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is
> airworthy. If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need
> an FEA of every joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find
> out I had to start over from scratch.
>
> Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an
> FAA inspector?
>
> Thanks again to everyone for their input.
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
>
> On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote:
>> Bruce and all,
>>
>> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local
>> builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't
>> think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found
>> when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the
>> proper documentation, records and procedures they should have
>> followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly
>> friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond.
>>
>> Dee
>>
>> At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
>>> <bgray@glasair.org>
>>>
>>> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA
>>> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the
>>> EAA technical counselor program now.
>>>
>>> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your
>>> final inspection.
>>>
>>> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to
>>> your
>>> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and
>>> forms.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> rayj
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM
>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>>>
>>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
>>> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to find
>>> the
>>>
>>> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
>>> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>> - List Contribution Web Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
>>> 406 N Mulberry St
>>> Richmond, VA 23220-3320
>>> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax
>>> SKYPE: hilltopkid
>>> dee.whittington@gmail.com
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
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Subject: | Re: problem reply |
The wings and tail are from experimental aircraft and will be built by
me. Still, I think it would be a good idea to start talking to the FAA
early.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 08/19/2010 11:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> In this case you do need buy in from the FAA upfront. Using parts of
> a certified plane complicates approval, as you will have to show that
> 51% of the plane is from non-certified sources that you assembled. All
> of the wing build tasks and tail build tasks will be subtracted from
> the overall percentage. So you need the FAA to agree what you propose
> will meet the homebuilt requirement of 51%.
>
>
> On 8/19/2010 8:25 PM, rayj wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all for their input. Perhaps it's Dee's experiences I'm
>> thinking of. Basically, contact them to get the information they
>> think you should have.
>>
>> The reason I want to get feed back from the FAA early in the process
>> is that I am planning on building a one off aircraft using proven
>> wings and tail with a fuselage of my design. I'd like to find out
>> what is required to convince whoever does the inspection that it is
>> airworthy. If adhering to industry standards is enough of if I need
>> an FEA of every joint. I'd hate to get to the inspection and find
>> out I had to start over from scratch.
>>
>> Any thoughts on whether it would be better to work with a DAR or an
>> FAA inspector?
>>
>> Thanks again to everyone for their input.
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>>
>> On 08/19/2010 08:40 AM, DeWitt Whittington wrote:
>>> Bruce and all,
>>>
>>> More than once I've heard reps from our local FSDO urge local
>>> builders to contact their office before starting a project. I don't
>>> think there is any regulatory requirement, just that they have found
>>> when the project is finished some builders are not aware of the
>>> proper documentation, records and procedures they should have
>>> followed. They really do want to help. We have a particularly
>>> friendly FSDO office to homebuilders here in Richmond.
>>>
>>> Dee
>>>
>>> At 06:34 AM 8/19/2010, you wrote:
>>>> <bgray@glasair.org>
>>>>
>>>> Never hear of that one. There used to be a requirement for an FAA
>>>> preclose inspection for the wing and HStab, but that's handled by the
>>>> EAA technical counselor program now.
>>>>
>>>> No, there is no requirement to notify the FAA of anything except your
>>>> final inspection.
>>>>
>>>> The FAA has a special Advisory Circular about this topic. A call to
>>>> your
>>>> local FSDO office will result in an information bundle of AC's and
>>>> forms.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>> www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [ mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> rayj
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:06 AM
>>>> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: OT starting build
>>>>
>>>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>
>>>> I vaguely recall hearing that it is recommended that I contact the FAA
>>>> when I start building an aircraft. Can anyone tell me where to
>>>> find the
>>>>
>>>> info on who I should contact. I've spent hours digging around in that
>>>> disorganized pile of information the EAA calls a web site. Any help
>>>> would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Raymond Julian
>>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>>> - List Contribution Web Site -
>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>> DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
>>>> 406 N Mulberry St
>>>> Richmond, VA 23220-3320
>>>> (804) 358-4333 phone and fax
>>>> SKYPE: hilltopkid
>>>> dee.whittington@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>
>
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That particular Terminal Feed Through Connector is only rated 250A @48VDC.
You would probably be better served purchasing the 400A @48VDC version from
Blue Sea Systems.
http://bluesea.com/products/2206
They also carry both Black and Red and they are identical to the ones on
Ebay except in a larger amperage rating and slightly larger physical size. I
wouldn't be surprised if they were cheaper from Blue Sky either. $11/each
seems kinda pricey to me.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RGent1224@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery cables
Check this solution out I'll be using them when the time comes
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-3-8-Stud-Type-Junction-Block-_W0QQcmdZVie
wItemQQitemZ350377856912QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
They also have black
Dick
In a message dated 8/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dougshep@netzero.com writes:
I'm building an RV-9A with an Eggenfellner Subaru E6 engine. I will be
mounting my batteries in the tailcone of the AC, and will have to route the
power cables (probably two #6 wire size with terminals) fwd to the firewall.
Since I have an all metal AC, how do I terminate this large cable on the
firewall (aft side), with connecting cables, going fwd to the starter and
also to the instr panel? Haven't been able to find any type of an insulated
standoff for this. Can you recommend something?
Also, where can I get a schematic for the Wig-Wag circuit so I can interface
to it?
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
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Subject: | Re: Battery cables |
Do we know anything about the fire resistance of these?
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 08/19/2010 11:58 PM, Jim Leyden wrote:
>
> That particular Terminal Feed Through Connector is only rated 250A
> @48VDC. You would probably be better served purchasing the 400A @48VDC
> version from Blue Sea Systems.
>
> http://bluesea.com/products/2206
>
> They also carry both Black and Red and they are identical to the ones
> on Ebay except in a larger amperage rating and slightly larger
> physical size. I wouldnt be surprised if they were cheaper from Blue
> Sky either. $11/each seems kinda pricey to me.
>
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *RGent1224@aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:02 PM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery cables
>
> Check this solution out I'll be using them when the time comes
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Red-3-8-Stud-Type-Junction-Block-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ350377856912QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
>
> They also have black
>
> Dick
>
> In a message dated 8/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dougshep@netzero.com writes:
>
> I'm building an RV-9A with an Eggenfellner Subaru E6 engine. I
> will be mounting my batteries in the tailcone of the AC, and will
> have to route the power cables (probably two #6 wire size with
> terminals) fwd to the firewall. Since I have an all metal AC, how
> do I terminate this large cable on the firewall (aft side), with
> connecting cables, going fwd to the starter and also to the instr
> panel? Haven't been able to find any type of an insulated standoff
> for this. Can you recommend something?
>
>
> Also, where can I get a schematic for the Wig-Wag circuit so I can
> interface to it?
>
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