---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/22/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:22 AM - Re: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates (bob noffs) 2. 04:10 AM - Re: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates (David & Elaine Lamphere) 3. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Richard Girard) 4. 06:10 AM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (James Kilford) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates (Kevin Boddicker) 6. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Richard Girard) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 10:23 AM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 10:34 AM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Mickey Coggins) 10. 02:30 PM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 03:34 PM - Fw: Re: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates (David) 12. 04:24 PM - Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Speedy11@aol.com) 13. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed (Vern Little) 14. 06:53 PM - Re: firewall shields... yet again (Sean Stephens) 15. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 16. 08:24 PM - B&C alt voltage goes right up to 16V (sblack) 17. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates From: bob noffs i have a 2 yr old 2000 that will fly for the first time this fall. what would you recommend for getting the latest update available for vfr? lowrance? bob noffs On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, David & Elaine Lamphere < dalamphere@comcast.net> wrote: > I was asked to forward this information on in case you guys hadn't > heard.... > > Please be advised - not only does Lowrance NOT make/sell any more Aviation > GPS units, you cannot get > a Jeppeson navdata update for them either! I just looked at the LEI site - > no updates since April. > I then sent a note to Jeppeson to see if they would supply any data updates > for Lowrance units. > > Below is the query and dismal answer: > > ================================= > To: Support@JeppDirect > Subject: Data updates > > It appears that Lowrance no longer supplies the Jepp updates for their 1000 > and 2000C GPS units. > > Will these updates be supplied by you for downloading? > > ================================= > > Their response: > > *Thank you for contacting us. We apologize for the long delay in > responding to you* > > *Unfortunately, we have stopped all support on all Lowrance Units* > > *Lowrance has shut down there Aviation Group and we have no further word > if they will continue!* > > *When they shut down, we stopped all Navdata Production for those units. * > > *I myself, have the Airmap 2000c and now it's a good paperweight! * > > *I'm forced to buy a Garmin* > > ** > > *Sorry Sir* > > *========================* > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:05 AM PST US From: "David & Elaine Lamphere" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates Bob, That's what I am trying to warn about, there are NO updates available from Lowrance or Jeppeson for the 2000!!! Us Lowrance owners are out in the cold, unless there is some boot-leg hacker somewhere that figures out something else... Bummer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: bob noffs To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:20 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates i have a 2 yr old 2000 that will fly for the first time this fall. what would you recommend for getting the latest update available for vfr? lowrance? bob noffs On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote: I was asked to forward this information on in case you guys hadn't heard.... Please be advised - not only does Lowrance NOT make/sell any more Aviation GPS units, you cannot get a Jeppeson navdata update for them either! I just looked at the LEI site - no updates since April. I then sent a note to Jeppeson to see if they would supply any data updates for Lowrance units. Below is the query and dismal answer: ======== To: Support@JeppDirect Subject: Data updates It appears that Lowrance no longer supplies the Jepp updates for their 1000 and 2000C GPS units. Will these updates be supplied by you for downloading? ======== Their response: Thank you for contacting us. We apologize for the long delay in responding to you Unfortunately, we have stopped all support on all Lowrance Units Lowrance has shut down there Aviation Group and we have no further word if they will continue! When they shut down, we stopped all Navdata Production for those units. I myself, have the Airmap 2000c and now it's a good paperweight! I'm forced to buy a Garmin Sorry Sir ======================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed From: Richard Girard Sure Ron, happy to help. I'll do it this afternoon when it's too hot to be outside anyway. What can I say, I'm a woose for this hot muggy weather. Rick On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:16 AM, rparigoris wrote: > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > > Hi Rick > > If your Icom has two switches and is making one connection and breaking > another when you push the PTT, it is different than my Vertex that makes two > connections. > > On my Vertex VXA700 when you push the PTT one switch connects the mic high > to pin 3 (mic high), this is a normal opened switch. > > The other switch connects mic low to pin 2 (PTT high), this is a normal > opened switch. > > Thus my single relay is a double pole relay that just makes two connections > when the PTT is depressed. > > My double pole relay is doing exactly the same thing as pressing the > premade harness PTT I have, when the PTT is depressed, two individual > single pole switches make. > > Would you mind taking an ohm meter to your set up and report back if in > fact one switch is making and one breaking? > > If it is in fact like my Vertex where both switches make, I will give Icom > and pick their brains! > > Ron Parigoris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309709#309709 > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection From: James Kilford Bob, I bought the book a few years ago, and thought it was extraordinarily good value. Recently though I've been feeling as though I've been short-changing you, because I've asked so many questions recently and you've always answered them with an obvious amount of time and care. Could you invite people to donate on a "donation-ware" basis? It's fairly common in software development -- you give something away for free and ask good folk to send a donation if they find it useful. It seems like an equitable way of doing business. I saw you have a PayPal setup for your online catalogue. Why not allow people to just randomly send you a few quid when they feel full of joy after hearing their master contactor clunk for the first time? Perhaps a page about it in the online version. Alternatively, presumably anyone could buy an hour's time on your online system, though that sets the price in stone, and I think that donation-ware works best when people send what they can afford, or just what they feel like sending. FWIW. James On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > At 11:34 AM 8/21/2010, you wrote: >> >> Bob >> I just wanted to pass on my thanks for all you do for our community. I >> followed your diagrams and ideas on my Glasair and the electrical has been a >> non issue for the years I have been flying. Exactly what I wanted. The >> info and assistance I recieved was worth far more than the cost of your >> book. >> Thanks again > > Thank YOU! I'm pleased that the work is > useful. > > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:52 AM PST US From: Kevin Boddicker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates I found this out at OSH this year. Went to the Jepp tent to get an update and was told that Lowrance did not have a contract with Jepp and they could not do anything with my card. I don't know if, as a class of owners, there is anything that can be done legally, but I do know morally, Lowrance leaves a lot to be desired. Good business people don't just sever support without a warning and support for at least three years or so. I do also know that I will tell everyone I know NOT to buy Lowrance for their marine or other needs. Put doubt in their minds! Will Lowrance be there when you need them???? I found out! Kevin Boddicker Luana, IA TriQ 200 N7868B On Aug 22, 2010, at 6:09 AM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote: > Bob, > > That's what I am trying to warn about, there are NO updates available from Lowrance or Jeppeson for the 2000!!! > Us Lowrance owners are out in the cold, unless there is some boot-leg hacker somewhere that figures out something else... > > Bummer! > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bob noffs > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates > > i have a 2 yr old 2000 that will fly for the first time this fall. what would you recommend for getting the latest update available for vfr? lowrance? > bob noffs > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote: > I was asked to forward this information on in case you guys hadn't heard.... > > Please be advised - not only does Lowrance NOT make/sell any more Aviation GPS units, you cannot get > a Jeppeson navdata update for them either! I just looked at the LEI site - no updates since April. > I then sent a note to Jeppeson to see if they would supply any data updates for Lowrance units. > > Below is the query and dismal answer: > > ======================== ========= > To: Support@JeppDirect > Subject: Data updates > It appears that Lowrance no longer supplies the Jepp updates for their 1000 and 2000C GPS units. > > Will these updates be supplied by you for downloading? > > ======== > > Their response: > > Thank you for contacting us. We apologize for the long delay in responding to you > > Unfortunately, we have stopped all support on all Lowrance Units > > Lowrance has shut down there Aviation Group and we have no further word if they will continue! > > When they shut down, we stopped all Navdata Production for those units. > > I myself, have the Airmap 2000c and now it's a good paperweight! > > I'm forced to buy a Garmin > > > Sorry Sir > > ======================== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed From: Richard Girard Ron, I am completely wrong in my memories about the Icom PTT for their headset adapter (Icom part no. OPC-499). The plug is a monaural 1/8" (two contacts). This switch is connected to the microphone socket only. When the PTT is open the three contacts of the microphone socket are open to each other. When the switch is pressed the middle contact is connected to the ground contact. So, essentially I was completely full of c*** with my memories last night. Sorry for the misdirection. Rick On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Sure Ron, happy to help. I'll do it this afternoon when it's too hot to be > outside anyway. What can I say, I'm a woose for this hot muggy weather. > > Rick > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:16 AM, rparigoris wrote: > >> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> >> >> Hi Rick >> >> If your Icom has two switches and is making one connection and breaking >> another when you push the PTT, it is different than my Vertex that makes two >> connections. >> >> On my Vertex VXA700 when you push the PTT one switch connects the mic high >> to pin 3 (mic high), this is a normal opened switch. >> >> The other switch connects mic low to pin 2 (PTT high), this is a normal >> opened switch. >> >> Thus my single relay is a double pole relay that just makes two >> connections when the PTT is depressed. >> >> My double pole relay is doing exactly the same thing as pressing the >> premade harness PTT I have, when the PTT is depressed, two individual >> single pole switches make. >> >> Would you mind taking an ohm meter to your set up and report back if in >> fact one switch is making and one breaking? >> >> If it is in fact like my Vertex where both switches make, I will give Icom >> and pick their brains! >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309709#309709 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Kolb Mk IIIC > 582 Gray head > 4.00 C gearbox > 3 blade WD > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be > unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. > - G.K. Chesterton > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. Chesterton ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:31 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection At 09:37 PM 8/21/2010, you wrote: >Gee Bob, > >I would have to second that. Your book and this web site are worth >a lot more than I paid for it. I would be more inclined to send a >donation than ask for a refund. The service you render here has >undoubtedly saved lives and airframes. I think that referencing >back to B & C is a really reasonable idea. I hope you're right . . . for that is my intent. But I am obligated to make the offer. You may recall some years back when products I offered were cited by some individuals as poorly designed, a source of great consternation and even damage to airplanes suffered by numerous 'victims'. The assertions fell apart when I reminded my antagonists of our no questions asked, lifetime guarantee of satisfaction for any product or service. I had received no claims for adjustment under our warranty. In fact, I offered a cash reward on top of a refund of purchase price for any dissatisfied customer who would come forth with their story. Nobody did. I'm certain that the vast majority of folks on this list and in the OBAM aircraft community understand the value of what we all do for each other here. At the same time, there is a need to erect honorable defenses against a few folks who can be exceedingly troublesome. Thank you all for your support and votes of confidence. I'll strive to remain worthy of your offers by growing the value of my offerings. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:35 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection At 08:10 AM 8/22/2010, you wrote: Bob, I bought the book a few years ago, and thought it was extraordinarily good value. Recently though I've been feeling as though I've been short-changing you, because I've asked so many questions recently and you've always answered them with an obvious amount of time and care. I don't think it's all that one-sided. I too find great value in participating here on the List. The exercise hones my own ability to utilize time, talent and resources well. It's a situation not unlike that which I tried to explain to my bosses when I asked for the funds to finance a few Kaypro II computers, printers and software for the GP-180 engineering group. We had three computers in the group . . . all personally owned and brought in from home. I also wanted to buy all hazards insurance on the computers and let the guys take them home at night. The argument was that they would acquire a lot of skill in their use but not while on the timeclock! In spite of their amazement and gratification for the work I produced on MY Kaypro, they were reluctant or just unable to make the connection between an ability to do a task, the uniqueness of the computer as a tool, an acquisition of skill in its use because it was interesting or even fun . . . and that folks were willing to learn it on their own time. My participation here has been most useful in my professional endeavors. The ability to teach is a skill that can always be improved upon and our conversations here have more value than might be immediately obvious. Every great golfer needs to hit balls every day. Every good teacher needs to exercise those skills every day too. Could you invite people to donate on a "donation-ware" basis? It's fairly common in software development -- you give something away for free and ask good folk to send a donation if they find it useful. It seems like an equitable way of doing business. I've considered that. Certainly the 'Connection could be offered in the same business model as donor supported shareware. I saw you have a PayPal setup for your online catalogue. Why not allow people to just randomly send you a few quid when they feel full of joy after hearing their master contactor clunk for the first time? Perhaps a page about it in the online version. The 'Connection is at a fork in the road . . . several forks. Alternatively, presumably anyone could buy an hour's time on your online system, though that sets the price in stone, and I think that donation-ware works best when people send what they can afford, or just what they feel like sending. I have added one-on-one, fee-for-service consulting to the website catalog and I do have a couple such projects in the works. Your suggestions are on-point and worthy of deliberation in planning for the future. Thanks! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection From: Mickey Coggins Bob, The connection has been invaluable to me and countless others. I'm happy that you have embraced the new reality of distribution, and I think it will pay big rewards, no matter how you measure them. I would like to put in a vote in favor of not trying to lock your document. It will only frustrate legitimate users, and since there are easily available tools to unlock any kind of "DRM", the people that want to "steal" your work will not in any way be inconvenienced. I would argue that if someone wants to share a snippet of an idea from your excellent tome by doing a copy/paste from a section of the document, requiring that they retype the text adds negative value to the world, and can also result in problematic typos. Thanks again for all the help you have provided me in the wiring of my aircraft, and more usefully, understanding electricity! -- Mickey Coggins ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:47 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection > >I would argue that if someone wants to share a snippet of an idea >from your excellent tome by doing a copy/paste from a section of the >document, requiring that they retype the text adds negative value to >the world, and can also result in problematic typos. >-- >Mickey Coggins Point taken. Thanks! Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:47 PM PST US From: David Subject: Fwd: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates Lowrance makes good products with quite good user interfaces. However, they have pulled that exact same trick with (at least) two of their street models, with no prior warning. Ever since Thales bought out Lowrance, this has occurred. David M. Kevin Boddicker wrote: > I found this out at OSH this year. Went to the Jepp tent to get an > update and was told that Lowrance did not have a contract with Jepp > and they could not do anything with my card. I don't know if, as a > class of owners, there is anything that can be done legally, but I do > know morally, Lowrance leaves a lot to be desired. Good business > people don't just sever support without a warning and support for at > least three years or so. > I do also know that I will tell everyone I know NOT to buy Lowrance > for their marine or other needs. Put doubt in their minds! Will > Lowrance be there when you need them???? I found out! > Kevin Boddicker > Luana, IA > TriQ 200 N7868B > > On Aug 22, 2010, at 6:09 AM, David & Elaine Lamphere wrote: > >> Bob, >> That's what I am trying to warn about, there are *NO* *updates >> available from Lowrance or Jeppeson for the 2000*!!! >> Us Lowrance owners are out in the cold, unless there is some boot-leg >> hacker somewhere that figures out something else... >> Bummer! >> Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* bob noffs >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:20 AM >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: Lowrance Airmap GPS Updates >> >> i have a 2 yr old 2000 that will fly for the first time this >> fall. what would you recommend for getting the latest update >> available for vfr? lowrance? >> bob noffs >> >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, David & Elaine Lamphere >> > wrote: >> >> I was asked to forward this information on in case you guys >> hadn't heard.... >> Please be advised - not only does Lowrance NOT make/sell any >> more Aviation GPS units, you cannot get >> a Jeppeson navdata update for them either! I just looked at >> the LEI site - no updates since April. >> I then sent a note to Jeppeson to see if they would supply >> any data updates for Lowrance units. >> Below is the query and dismal answer: >> ================================= >> To: Support@JeppDirect >> Subject: Data updates >> >> It appears that Lowrance no longer supplies the Jepp updates >> for their 1000 and 2000C GPS units. >> >> Will these updates be supplied by you for downloading? >> >> ======== >> >> Their response: >> >> *Thank you for contacting us. We apologize for the long delay >> in responding to you* >> >> *Unfortunately, we have stopped all support on all Lowrance >> Units* >> >> *Lowrance has shut down there Aviation Group and we have no >> further word if they will continue!* >> >> *When they shut down, we stopped all Navdata Production for >> those units.* >> >> *I myself, have the Airmap 2000c and now it's a good >> paperweight! * >> >> *I'm forced to buy a Garmin* >> >> ** >> >> *Sorry Sir* >> >> *========================* >> >> >> * >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:58 PM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection Perceived Value? Then I need to send you another check! Stan Sutterfield Anyone who has recently purchased a book or CD at current prices who feels short changed by the price reduction is encouraged to drop us a line. Our warranty offers a guarantee of perceived value for the lifetime of any product. Drop us a note and we'll make it right with you. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:51 PM PST US From: "Vern Little" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed FYI The David Clark PTT switch works the same way-disconnects the MIC until the PTT is pushed. I don't know why this is essential... it might be that for battery powered equipment, it reduces current drain (the mic bias) until required. Sometimes it becomes "because that's the way we've always done it". Bob may know better. As for the relay snubber, the diode can be added somewhere else. It's a low power relay, so the amount of coil energy involved is small-- a regular diode works fine. Good Luck V -------------------------------------------------- From: "rparigoris" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Vertex VXA700 information needed > > > Hi Vern > > We purchased an adapter cable and an external PTT switch when we purchased > our VXA700. > > We ohmed out the harness and it indeed has two separate switches, one > connects mic high when you push PTT, and the other switch grounds PTT > high. > > I have a schematic for VXA 700 that Vertex support sent us, it does not > include enough information to figure out why the harness would use two > switches to do what they are doing. > > After several calls and finally cornered the support guy, he bowed out by > saying Vertex doesn't make the harness and can't comment on it. He said > the VXA 700 is not intended to be hooked up to an audio panel. > > I know that when we hook up the VXA 700 to our PMA4000 audio panel and use > the harness I have with external PTT switch it works fine. > > I talked to PS Engineering and told him I wanted to use the mini DPDT > relay as you can see on the right side near coin on second pic I posted to > replicate two mechanical switches. I asked him if he thought it was OK to > supply power to the coil of relay and have PMA4000 do the grounding when I > push the PTT that is located on sticks and he thought that would be fine. > > Someone knows why my harness uses two separate switches to transmit. > Vertex support does not know why. PS Engineering does not know why. I do > not know why. > > I do know that the two switch arrangement works fine. My partner is an EE > and thinks it best we replicate what we do know. His gut feeling is > leaving mic connected all the time may not be a good thing to do. Perhaps > someone could speculate why they may do this? Built into unit is a speaker > and mic. > > Anyway there's our reasoning how and why we connected the four wire Vertex > plug to our audio panel. > > You mention it may be a good idea to install a diode across the relay > coil. We already finished harness and it would be a big effort to open up > harness and get close to relay to install diode. > > You can see size of relay against a penny on the right side: > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=81445&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 > > You can enlarge the pic to full size by selecting full size on top right > of screen. The specifics are listed on schematic about the relay we are > using. There is no mA draw of coil on information we have but it is not > very much of a draw. Could get information off the data sheet. > > My question to you is what potential problem or problems could be caused > by not using a diode across the coil of this mini relay? > > Do you think I should try harness as it is wired and if we experience a > problem/s you describe, then install a diode? > > Or perhaps go half way between the two and install a diode about 6" away > from the relay? BTW we are supplying power to the relay coil through a 324 > wire that is about 20# long. > > I also have some snapjacks on hand if you think that a better choice. > > Ron Parigoris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309694#309694 > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:35:00 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:12 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: firewall shields... yet again ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:37 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection At 06:23 PM 8/22/2010, you wrote: > >Perceived Value? Then I need to send you another check! No. We made a deal and I'm happy with it. If you got more than you bargained for then I'm more pleased still. Bob . . . //// (o o) ===========o00o=(_)=o00o======== < Go ahead, make my day . . . > < show me where I'm wrong. > ================================ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:23 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: B&C alt voltage goes right up to 16V From: "sblack" I installed a b&c alt on an o200 with the PMR1C-14. After about 10 hrs on it with no problems one morning, after the airplane sat out in the rain, the voltage started going right up to 16V at takeoff power tripping the crowbar OV protection. I have not played with the setpoint since it was working fine at the beginning (stayed just under 14v) so it should not have changed. I can't see that water got into the regulator as it is potted in epoxy or similar. My battery acts fine, takes a charge in a reasonable amount of time and my volt meter is correct as I checked it with another and the crowbar goes off and just the right voltage. What could cause this? -------- Scott Black Montreal Jodel F11 O-200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309831#309831 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: New operations model for the AeroElectric Connection From: Richard Girard All I can do is offer to return the favor, Bob, if you ever need any machine work for a project, I'd be happy to help. My little Kolb continues to fly along with zero electrical issues. Security like that is absolutely priceless, IMHO. Rick Girard On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > At 06:23 PM 8/22/2010, you wrote: > > > Perceived Value? Then I need to send you another check! > > > No. We made a deal and I'm happy with it. > If you got more than you bargained for > then I'm more pleased still. > > Bob . . . > //// > (o o) > ===========o00o=(_)=o00o======== > < Go ahead, make my day . . . > > < show me where I'm wrong. > > ================================ > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Kolb Mk IIIC 582 Gray head 4.00 C gearbox 3 blade WD Thanks, Homer GBYM It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. - G.K. 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