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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Potentiometer , 3 lugs (user9253)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (tsts4)
3. 06:46 AM - Digi-key shipping charges (Mike Welch)
4. 07:31 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:38 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Jim Wickert)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (John Morgensen)
8. 08:03 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Tim Olson)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (RGent1224@aol.com)
10. 08:22 AM - Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (tsts4)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Carlos Trigo)
12. 03:25 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 03:47 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Ron Quillin)
14. 03:51 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Mike Welch)
15. 04:40 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Richard Tasker)
16. 06:49 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Grosseair)
17. 07:53 PM - Z-17 OVPM Question (corton@charter.net)
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Subject: | Re: Potentiometer , 3 lugs |
jonlaury,
Depending on how the pot is made, chances are that the two outside terminals are
the ones that the supply voltage is applied to. When checked with an ohm meter,
the resistance (5K) of these two terminals should not change as the slider
is moved.
The resistance of the center terminal varies with the slider as measured to either
of the other two terminals. This terminal that varies (probably #2) is the
signal terminal that will indicate the flap position.
Joe
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Subject: | Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? |
Bob,
The contactor is a B&C S701-1, the 2AWG is welding wire, but the 4AWG wire is stiff
22579.
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Subject: | Digi-key shipping charges |
Group=2C
As I said yesterday=2C I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed
for the IvoProp
current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts=2C it becam
e clear I did
not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from M
ouser=2C and
evidently they didn't carry the 3703=2C so I expected to get it from Digi-k
ey.
At any rate=2C I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key.
Their check-out
asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the d
ifference=2C I
figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"?
Last night=2C I got a UPS tracking number=2C and a "Your order has shippe
d notice"=2C plus
the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor.
Imagine my
surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!!
Here's the email they sent me=3B
Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder
#28092xxx=2C invoice #32706xxx=2C to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx.
Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency=2C including $10.59 postage.
We have billed this to your Visa credit card.
$14.67 for one transistor.
I just got off the phone with their customer service rep=2C AND her supervi
sor. Basically=2C they
said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy.
From now=2C I don't care who I order from=2C I want to know the ENTIRE BI
LL before I say send it!!
Screwed by Digi-key=2C
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
At 08:41 AM 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>Group,
>
> As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob
> designed for the IvoProp
>current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it
>became clear I did
>not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts
>from Mouser, and
>evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key.
>
> At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from
> Digi-key. Their check-out
>asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not
>knowing the difference, I
>figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"?
UPS ground is a very un-economcial way to have small
packages shipped. There's a minimum charge irrespective
of package size. Digikey also offers first class
mail where your itty-bitty parts are put in an envelope
at per/oz rates.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? |
At 07:59 AM 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>
>Bob,
>The contactor is a B&C S701-1, the 2AWG is welding wire, but the
>4AWG wire is stiff 22579.
Okay, two terminals are fine. If the wires
need to come off the terminal in the same
direction, twist one conductor so that the
back sides of the terminal flags face each
other. No washers or extra nuts. Put the
wire lugs onto the terminal post and then
a brass nut.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Digi-key shipping charges |
Hi Mike
Know the feeling, but with Digikey they do have the shipping calculator for
you when you process your order..Just click on shipping..I usually select
first class mail but if there is weight I use the Priority Mail 3-5 days
arrives generally in 3 days.
Shipping Cost Estimator
International/Canadian Shipping Costs
<http://ordering.digikey.com/Help.aspx?id=International%20Shipping%20Informa
tion%20Help%20Page>
Approximate shipping charges based on Zip/Postal Code: 53083
Description
8 oz.
1 lb.
5 lbs.
10 lbs.
COD Charge
UPS Ground (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$7.60
$7.60
$9.19
$9.91
$10.00
UPS 3-Day Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$10.42
$10.42
$13.58
$18.29
$10.00
UPS 2nd Day Air (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$14.17
$14.17
$17.32
$24.23
$10.00
UPS Overnight (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$36.32
$36.32
$52.47
$70.56
$10.00
U.S. Postal Service First Class Mail* (order by 6:00 PM CT)
$2.41
Not Available
Not Available
Not Available
Not Available
U.S. Postal Service Priority Mail* (3-5 Day Delivery to most US
addresses)(order by 6:00 PM CT)
$4.95
$4.95
$8.87
$14.20
Not Available
U.S. Postal Service Express Mail* (1-2 Day delivery guarantee)(order by 3:00
PM CT)
$19.35
$24.70
$39.30
$56.65
Not Available
Federal Express Ground (order by 7:00 PM CT)
$7.60
$7.60
$9.19
$9.91
Not Available
Federal Express Saver (3-Day Delivery) (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$13.04
$13.04
$15.08
$21.18
Not Available
Federal Express Economy (2nd Day Air) (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$14.92
$14.92
$18.29
$25.62
Not Available
Federal Express Overnight P.M. Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$34.87
$34.87
$50.39
$67.72
Not Available
Federal Express Overnight A.M. Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT)
$38.94
$38.94
$56.38
$75.91
Not Available
Digi-Key charges shipping fees based on the actual and/or dimensional weight
of the package, ship method and published carriage rates.
Exact shipping fees are unknown until the order has been processed.
* U.S. Postal Service Saturday Delivery at no additional charge.
Jim Wickert
Tel 920-467-0219
Cell 920-912-1014
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Welch
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges
Group,
As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for
the IvoProp
current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became
clear I did
not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from
Mouser, and
evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key.
At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key.
Their check-out
asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the
difference, I
figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"?
Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped
notice", plus
the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor.
Imagine my
surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!!
Here's the email they sent me;
Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder
#28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx.
Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage.
We have billed this to your Visa credit card.
$14.67 for one transistor.
I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her
supervisor. Basically, they
said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy.
From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL
before I say send it!!
Screwed by Digi-key,
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
On 9/22/2010 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> UPS ground is a very un-economcial way to have small
> packages shipped. There's a minimum charge irrespective
> of package size. Digikey also offers first class
> mail where your itty-bitty parts are put in an envelope
> at per/oz rates.
>
>
> Bob . . .
One more tip:
Watch out for hazardous materials. A $1.99 tube of torque seal cannot be
shipped by mail.
john
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
Same here....for me, I almost always ask for USPS Priority or
USPS First Class. It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest
thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery.
That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever)
has saved me tons of headaches. I can order from somewhere
within 300 miles and have it the next day, even if I order
it on Friday. I often only buy from places if they offer
USPS or USPS Priority, simply because UPS/FedEx just aren't
real competitive on these little envelope pouch sized
packages.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/22/2010 9:33 AM, Jim Wickert wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> Know the feeling, but with Digikey they do have the shipping calculator
> for you when you process your order.Just click on shippingI usually
> select first class mail but if there is weight I use the Priority Mail
> 3-5 days arrives generally in 3 days.
>
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
Join the club That's just doing mail order business most likely was a
minimum order charge Check with a local Ham and find out where he/she gets their
parts
Just my $0.02 worth
Dick
#606/N20DG
In a message dated 9/22/2010 8:47:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes:
Group,
As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for
the IvoProp
current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became
clear I did
not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from
Mouser, and
evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from
Digi-key.
At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key.
Their check-out
asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the
difference, I
figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"?
Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped
notice", plus
the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single
transistor. Imagine my
surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!!
Here's the email they sent me;
Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder
#28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx.
Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage.
We have billed this to your Visa credit card.
$14.67 for one transistor.
I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her
supervisor. Basically, they
said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy.
>From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL
before I say send it!!
Screwed by Digi-key,
Mike Welch
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? |
Thanks Bob!
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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Subject: | Digi-key shipping charges |
Mike
I'm sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by Digi-key, you
were screwed by UPS.
Carlos
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Welch
Sent: quarta-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2010 14:41
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges
Group,
As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for
the IvoProp
current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became
clear I did
not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from
Mouser, and
evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key.
At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key.
Their check-out
asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the
difference, I
figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"?
Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped
notice", plus
the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor.
Imagine my
surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!!
Here's the email they sent me;
Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder
#28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx.
Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage.
We have billed this to your Visa credit card.
$14.67 for one transistor.
I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her
supervisor. Basically, they
said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy.
From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL
before I say send it!!
Screwed by Digi-key,
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Digi-key shipping charges |
At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>Mike
>
>I'm sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by
>Digi-key, you were screwed by UPS.
>
>Carlos
Gently, gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There
are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size
from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer,
paper, nearly as much labor, and certainly resources
to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box.
When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago, priority
mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty
good buy. Nowadays, we have a variety of products with
plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well,
we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems
to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from
the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas,
6-7 books media mail, a couple of CD's and some OV modules
in padded envelopes as first class.
In every case, the least expensive method for my location
(no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was
selected for each shipment. Sometimes, a customer's order
goes out in TWO envelopes, one medial mail and one first
class.
At the same time, I get the occasional request for UPS or
nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box
is 15 miles away, and I CAN get on the computer and have
UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about
10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing
materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that
but it is a pain in the arse.
Bottom line is that there are usually options that can
be selected to meet your needs for service, speed and
price. Obviously, we've learned that UPS is not a good
choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
At 07:56 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest
>thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery.
>That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever)
>has saved me tons of headaches.
Also for when you need a Saturday delivery, check into FedEx HOME delivery.
While not as economical as USPS, they do have Saturday delivery
-without- additional charges.
Ron Q.
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Subject: | Digi-key shipping charges |
Carlos=2C
When it comes to the checkout=2C a buyer has a choice of picking whicheve
r shipper and method he
wants. Not knowing any better=2C I chose UPS. I didn't realize the advant
ages Bob refers to.
Digi-key offers no advice on the issue=2C they just charge you whatever t
heir rates are for the shipper
you choose.
The customer service lady said if I would have chosen USPO first class=2C
it would have been $2.00=2C
not the $10.59. Again=2C IF I knew=2C I would have done that. Live and le
arn. Digi-key does NOT pre-warn
it's customers=2C they just charge you=2C and let you learn the hard way...
.period!! They are=2C however=2C NO
different from any other vendor. None of them give a crap about how much m
oney it costs you.
Mike Welch
From: nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges
At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010=2C you wrote:
Mike
I=92m sorry to disagree with you=2C bit you were not screwed by Digi-key=2C
you were screwed by UPS.
Carlos
Gently=2C gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There
are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size
from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer=2C
paper=2C nearly as much labor=2C and certainly resources
to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box.
When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago=2C priority
mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty
good buy. Nowadays=2C we have a variety of products with
plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well=2C
we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems
to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from
the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas=2C
6-7 books media mail=2C a couple of CD's and some OV modules
in padded envelopes as first class.
In every case=2C the least expensive method for my location
(no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was
selected for each shipment. Sometimes=2C a customer's order
goes out in TWO envelopes=2C one medial mail and one first
class.
At the same time=2C I get the occasional request for UPS or
nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box
is 15 miles away=2C and I CAN get on the computer and have
UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about
10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing
materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that
but it is a pain in the arse.
Bottom line is that there are usually options that can
be selected to meet your needs for service=2C speed and
price. Obviously=2C we've learned that UPS is not a good
choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
Actually, that is not quite correct. Digikey has a shipping cost
estimator right above the line where you choose the method. Click on it
and enter your postal code and it lists estimated shipping costs for all
the methods available.
In fact, they have a shipping cost estimator right on the first page
when you see what you have added to your shopping cart that works the
same way. So you had two opportunities to see what the various methods
might cost..
And good vendors do care. They just have no idea why you might want to
choose a particular method so all they can do is what Digikey does - let
you see what the costs are likely to be and let you choose the method.
Dick Tasker
Mike Welch wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> When it comes to the checkout, a buyer has a choice of picking
> whichever shipper and method he
> wants. Not knowing any better, I chose UPS. I didn't realize the
> advantages Bob refers to.
>
> Digi-key offers no advice on the issue, they just charge you
> whatever their rates are for the shipper
> you choose.
>
> The customer service lady said if I would have chosen USPO first
> class, it would have been $2.00,
> not the $10.59. Again, IF I knew, I would have done that. Live and
> learn. Digi-key does NOT pre-warn
> it's customers, they just charge you, and let you learn the hard
> way....period!! They are, however, NO
> different from any other vendor. None of them give a crap about how
> much money it costs you.
>
> Mike Welch
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:22:20 -0500
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> From: nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges
>
> At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Im sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by
> Digi-key, you were screwed by UPS.
>
> Carlos
>
>
> Gently, gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There
> are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size
> from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer,
> paper, nearly as much labor, and certainly resources
> to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box.
>
> When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago, priority
> mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty
> good buy. Nowadays, we have a variety of products with
> plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well,
> we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems
> to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from
> the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas,
> 6-7 books media mail, a couple of CD's and some OV modules
> in padded envelopes as first class.
>
> In every case, the least expensive method for my location
> (no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was
> selected for each shipment. Sometimes, a customer's order
> goes out in TWO envelopes, one medial mail and one first
> class.
>
> At the same time, I get the occasional request for UPS or
> nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box
> is 15 miles away, and I CAN get on the computer and have
> UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about
> 10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing
> materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that
> but it is a pain in the arse.
>
> Bottom line is that there are usually options that can
> be selected to meet your needs for service, speed and
> price. Obviously, we've learned that UPS is not a good
> choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor.
>
> Bob . . .
> *
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Subject: | Re: Digi-key shipping charges |
They say they deliver on Saturday, but my experience is that they don't
actually do it, and sometimes they don't even deliver during the week
when they promise. I won't use them anymore.
John Grosse
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Quillin <rjquillin@gmail.com> wrote:
> At 07:56 9/22/2010, you wrote:
>> It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest
>> thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery.
>> That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever)
>> has saved me tons of headaches.
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> Also for when you need a Saturday delivery, check into FedEx HOME
delivery.
> While not as economical as USPS, they do have Saturday delivery
-without- additional charges.
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Subject: | Z-17 OVPM Question |
Hi, All;
I'm trying to adapt wiring diagram Z-17 for my Sonex, which has a 20A permanent
magnet alternator.
I purchased the B&C OVPM kit, which includes the yellow ALT / OV warning lamp.
My question is: is there a way to connect the warning light someplace? I cannot
connect it to the NC post of the alternator cutout relay because the common post
is connected directly to the battery. I *could* connect the common post to
the switched side of the batt/alt master switch, but then I'd have a 12ga wire
coming in to the panel to the switch, then going back out to the firewall. The
charging circuit would then come from the alternator, thru the relay, to the
master switch, then back to the battery.
I'd like to minimize the 12ga runs; I'm also concerned about running alternator
output thru the master switch.
Any suggestions?
Many thanks!
Carl
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