---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/22/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: Potentiometer , 3 lugs (user9253) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (tsts4) 3. 06:46 AM - Digi-key shipping charges (Mike Welch) 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 07:38 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Jim Wickert) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (John Morgensen) 8. 08:03 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Tim Olson) 9. 08:10 AM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (RGent1224@aol.com) 10. 08:22 AM - Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? (tsts4) 11. 02:40 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Carlos Trigo) 12. 03:25 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 13. 03:47 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Ron Quillin) 14. 03:51 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Mike Welch) 15. 04:40 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Richard Tasker) 16. 06:49 PM - Re: Digi-key shipping charges (Grosseair) 17. 07:53 PM - Z-17 OVPM Question (corton@charter.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:08 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Potentiometer , 3 lugs From: "user9253" jonlaury, Depending on how the pot is made, chances are that the two outside terminals are the ones that the supply voltage is applied to. When checked with an ohm meter, the resistance (5K) of these two terminals should not change as the slider is moved. The resistance of the center terminal varies with the slider as measured to either of the other two terminals. This terminal that varies (probably #2) is the signal terminal that will indicate the flap position. Joe -------- Joe Gores Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313344#313344 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:50 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? From: "tsts4" Bob, The contactor is a B&C S701-1, the 2AWG is welding wire, but the 4AWG wire is stiff 22579. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313354#313354 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:43 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Group=2C As I said yesterday=2C I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for the IvoProp current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts=2C it becam e clear I did not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from M ouser=2C and evidently they didn't carry the 3703=2C so I expected to get it from Digi-k ey. At any rate=2C I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key. Their check-out asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the d ifference=2C I figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"? Last night=2C I got a UPS tracking number=2C and a "Your order has shippe d notice"=2C plus the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor. Imagine my surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!! Here's the email they sent me=3B Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder #28092xxx=2C invoice #32706xxx=2C to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx. Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency=2C including $10.59 postage. We have billed this to your Visa credit card. $14.67 for one transistor. I just got off the phone with their customer service rep=2C AND her supervi sor. Basically=2C they said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy. From now=2C I don't care who I order from=2C I want to know the ENTIRE BI LL before I say send it!! Screwed by Digi-key=2C Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:59 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges At 08:41 AM 9/22/2010, you wrote: >Group, > > As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob > designed for the IvoProp >current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it >became clear I did >not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts >from Mouser, and >evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key. > > At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from > Digi-key. Their check-out >asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not >knowing the difference, I >figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"? UPS ground is a very un-economcial way to have small packages shipped. There's a minimum charge irrespective of package size. Digikey also offers first class mail where your itty-bitty parts are put in an envelope at per/oz rates. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:05 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? At 07:59 AM 9/22/2010, you wrote: > >Bob, >The contactor is a B&C S701-1, the 2AWG is welding wire, but the >4AWG wire is stiff 22579. Okay, two terminals are fine. If the wires need to come off the terminal in the same direction, twist one conductor so that the back sides of the terminal flags face each other. No washers or extra nuts. Put the wire lugs onto the terminal post and then a brass nut. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Wickert" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Hi Mike Know the feeling, but with Digikey they do have the shipping calculator for you when you process your order..Just click on shipping..I usually select first class mail but if there is weight I use the Priority Mail 3-5 days arrives generally in 3 days. Shipping Cost Estimator International/Canadian Shipping Costs Approximate shipping charges based on Zip/Postal Code: 53083 Description 8 oz. 1 lb. 5 lbs. 10 lbs. COD Charge UPS Ground (order by 8:00 PM CT) $7.60 $7.60 $9.19 $9.91 $10.00 UPS 3-Day Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT) $10.42 $10.42 $13.58 $18.29 $10.00 UPS 2nd Day Air (order by 8:00 PM CT) $14.17 $14.17 $17.32 $24.23 $10.00 UPS Overnight (order by 8:00 PM CT) $36.32 $36.32 $52.47 $70.56 $10.00 U.S. Postal Service First Class Mail* (order by 6:00 PM CT) $2.41 Not Available Not Available Not Available Not Available U.S. Postal Service Priority Mail* (3-5 Day Delivery to most US addresses)(order by 6:00 PM CT) $4.95 $4.95 $8.87 $14.20 Not Available U.S. Postal Service Express Mail* (1-2 Day delivery guarantee)(order by 3:00 PM CT) $19.35 $24.70 $39.30 $56.65 Not Available Federal Express Ground (order by 7:00 PM CT) $7.60 $7.60 $9.19 $9.91 Not Available Federal Express Saver (3-Day Delivery) (order by 8:00 PM CT) $13.04 $13.04 $15.08 $21.18 Not Available Federal Express Economy (2nd Day Air) (order by 8:00 PM CT) $14.92 $14.92 $18.29 $25.62 Not Available Federal Express Overnight P.M. Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT) $34.87 $34.87 $50.39 $67.72 Not Available Federal Express Overnight A.M. Delivery (order by 8:00 PM CT) $38.94 $38.94 $56.38 $75.91 Not Available Digi-Key charges shipping fees based on the actual and/or dimensional weight of the package, ship method and published carriage rates. Exact shipping fees are unknown until the order has been processed. * U.S. Postal Service Saturday Delivery at no additional charge. Jim Wickert Tel 920-467-0219 Cell 920-912-1014 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Group, As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for the IvoProp current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became clear I did not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from Mouser, and evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key. At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key. Their check-out asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the difference, I figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"? Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped notice", plus the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor. Imagine my surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!! Here's the email they sent me; Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder #28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx. Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage. We have billed this to your Visa credit card. $14.67 for one transistor. I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her supervisor. Basically, they said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy. From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL before I say send it!! Screwed by Digi-key, Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:12 AM PST US From: John Morgensen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges On 9/22/2010 7:28 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > UPS ground is a very un-economcial way to have small > packages shipped. There's a minimum charge irrespective > of package size. Digikey also offers first class > mail where your itty-bitty parts are put in an envelope > at per/oz rates. > > > Bob . . . One more tip: Watch out for hazardous materials. A $1.99 tube of torque seal cannot be shipped by mail. john ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:19 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Same here....for me, I almost always ask for USPS Priority or USPS First Class. It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery. That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever) has saved me tons of headaches. I can order from somewhere within 300 miles and have it the next day, even if I order it on Friday. I often only buy from places if they offer USPS or USPS Priority, simply because UPS/FedEx just aren't real competitive on these little envelope pouch sized packages. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 9/22/2010 9:33 AM, Jim Wickert wrote: > Hi Mike > > Know the feeling, but with Digikey they do have the shipping calculator > for you when you process your order.Just click on shippingI usually > select first class mail but if there is weight I use the Priority Mail > 3-5 days arrives generally in 3 days. > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:28 AM PST US From: RGent1224@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Join the club That's just doing mail order business most likely was a minimum order charge Check with a local Ham and find out where he/she gets their parts Just my $0.02 worth Dick #606/N20DG In a message dated 9/22/2010 8:47:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes: Group, As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for the IvoProp current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became clear I did not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from Mouser, and evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key. At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key. Their check-out asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the difference, I figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"? Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped notice", plus the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor. Imagine my surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!! Here's the email they sent me; Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder #28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx. Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage. We have billed this to your Visa credit card. $14.67 for one transistor. I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her supervisor. Basically, they said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy. >From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL before I say send it!! Screwed by Digi-key, Mike Welch (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:25 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: 2 Fat Wires on a single terminal post? From: "tsts4" Thanks Bob! -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313382#313382 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:42 PM PST US From: "Carlos Trigo" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Mike I'm sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by Digi-key, you were screwed by UPS. Carlos _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch Sent: quarta-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2010 14:41 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Group, As I said yesterday, I was beginning building the circuit Bob designed for the IvoProp current limit. As I consumed my small bags of electronic parts, it became clear I did not have the IRFP3703 transistor. I had ordered all the other parts from Mouser, and evidently they didn't carry the 3703, so I expected to get it from Digi-key. At any rate, I ordered the IRFP3703 transistor yesterday from Digi-key. Their check-out asks for you to check your method of preferred shipping. Not knowing the difference, I figured "how can you go wrong with UPS Ground"? Last night, I got a UPS tracking number, and a "Your order has shipped notice", plus the specific shipping charge Digi-key charged me for the single transistor. Imagine my surprise to see the shipping was $10.59!! For one transistor....$10.59!!! Here's the email they sent me; Thank you for your order! Digi-Key has processed and shipped salesorder #28092xxx, invoice #32706xxx, to you. Your CUSTOMER NUMBER is 5714xxx. Your total cost is $14.67 in U.S. currency, including $10.59 postage. We have billed this to your Visa credit card. $14.67 for one transistor. I just got off the phone with their customer service rep, AND her supervisor. Basically, they said "tough luck!!" They offered NOTHING for a remedy. From now, I don't care who I order from, I want to know the ENTIRE BILL before I say send it!! Screwed by Digi-key, Mike Welch ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:07 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010, you wrote: >Mike > >I'm sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by >Digi-key, you were screwed by UPS. > >Carlos Gently, gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer, paper, nearly as much labor, and certainly resources to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box. When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago, priority mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty good buy. Nowadays, we have a variety of products with plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well, we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas, 6-7 books media mail, a couple of CD's and some OV modules in padded envelopes as first class. In every case, the least expensive method for my location (no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was selected for each shipment. Sometimes, a customer's order goes out in TWO envelopes, one medial mail and one first class. At the same time, I get the occasional request for UPS or nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box is 15 miles away, and I CAN get on the computer and have UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about 10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that but it is a pain in the arse. Bottom line is that there are usually options that can be selected to meet your needs for service, speed and price. Obviously, we've learned that UPS is not a good choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:54 PM PST US From: Ron Quillin Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges At 07:56 9/22/2010, you wrote: >It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest >thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery. >That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever) >has saved me tons of headaches. Also for when you need a Saturday delivery, check into FedEx HOME delivery. While not as economical as USPS, they do have Saturday delivery -without- additional charges. Ron Q. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:10 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Carlos=2C When it comes to the checkout=2C a buyer has a choice of picking whicheve r shipper and method he wants. Not knowing any better=2C I chose UPS. I didn't realize the advant ages Bob refers to. Digi-key offers no advice on the issue=2C they just charge you whatever t heir rates are for the shipper you choose. The customer service lady said if I would have chosen USPO first class=2C it would have been $2.00=2C not the $10.59. Again=2C IF I knew=2C I would have done that. Live and le arn. Digi-key does NOT pre-warn it's customers=2C they just charge you=2C and let you learn the hard way... .period!! They are=2C however=2C NO different from any other vendor. None of them give a crap about how much m oney it costs you. Mike Welch From: nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010=2C you wrote: Mike I=92m sorry to disagree with you=2C bit you were not screwed by Digi-key=2C you were screwed by UPS. Carlos Gently=2C gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer=2C paper=2C nearly as much labor=2C and certainly resources to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box. When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago=2C priority mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty good buy. Nowadays=2C we have a variety of products with plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well=2C we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas=2C 6-7 books media mail=2C a couple of CD's and some OV modules in padded envelopes as first class. In every case=2C the least expensive method for my location (no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was selected for each shipment. Sometimes=2C a customer's order goes out in TWO envelopes=2C one medial mail and one first class. At the same time=2C I get the occasional request for UPS or nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box is 15 miles away=2C and I CAN get on the computer and have UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about 10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that but it is a pain in the arse. Bottom line is that there are usually options that can be selected to meet your needs for service=2C speed and price. Obviously=2C we've learned that UPS is not a good choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:00 PM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges Actually, that is not quite correct. Digikey has a shipping cost estimator right above the line where you choose the method. Click on it and enter your postal code and it lists estimated shipping costs for all the methods available. In fact, they have a shipping cost estimator right on the first page when you see what you have added to your shopping cart that works the same way. So you had two opportunities to see what the various methods might cost.. And good vendors do care. They just have no idea why you might want to choose a particular method so all they can do is what Digikey does - let you see what the costs are likely to be and let you choose the method. Dick Tasker Mike Welch wrote: > Carlos, > > When it comes to the checkout, a buyer has a choice of picking > whichever shipper and method he > wants. Not knowing any better, I chose UPS. I didn't realize the > advantages Bob refers to. > > Digi-key offers no advice on the issue, they just charge you > whatever their rates are for the shipper > you choose. > > The customer service lady said if I would have chosen USPO first > class, it would have been $2.00, > not the $10.59. Again, IF I knew, I would have done that. Live and > learn. Digi-key does NOT pre-warn > it's customers, they just charge you, and let you learn the hard > way....period!! They are, however, NO > different from any other vendor. None of them give a crap about how > much money it costs you. > > Mike Welch > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:22:20 -0500 > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > From: nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges > > At 04:35 PM 9/22/2010, you wrote: > > Mike > > Im sorry to disagree with you, bit you were not screwed by > Digi-key, you were screwed by UPS. > > Carlos > > > Gently, gently. I don't think anyone got screwed. There > are certain fixed costs with moving a package of any size > from point A to point B. It takes just as much computer, > paper, nearly as much labor, and certainly resources > to move a 1 oz box as a 100 oz box. > > When we started the 'Connection 24+ years ago, priority > mail ($2.90) for the single product (the book) was a pretty > good buy. Nowadays, we have a variety of products with > plans to have all products offer "free shipping". Well, > we ALL know there's no such thing . . . but it seems > to be be the wave of the future. I just came home from > the post office having shipped 2 books priority overseas, > 6-7 books media mail, a couple of CD's and some OV modules > in padded envelopes as first class. > > In every case, the least expensive method for my location > (no UPS counter but a post office a few blocks away) was > selected for each shipment. Sometimes, a customer's order > goes out in TWO envelopes, one medial mail and one first > class. > > At the same time, I get the occasional request for UPS or > nothing . . . UPS stops at their door but their PO box > is 15 miles away, and I CAN get on the computer and have > UPS pick up a box from my front porch. But it takes about > 10 minutes longer to process a UPS Shipment and the packing > materials are more robust. I don't charge extra for that > but it is a pain in the arse. > > Bottom line is that there are usually options that can > be selected to meet your needs for service, speed and > price. Obviously, we've learned that UPS is not a good > choice of carriers for a single 0.6 ounce transistor. > > Bob . . . > * > > -List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:25 PM PST US From: Grosseair Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Digi-key shipping charges They say they deliver on Saturday, but my experience is that they don't actually do it, and sometimes they don't even deliver during the week when they promise. I won't use them anymore. John Grosse Sent from my iPad On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Ron Quillin wrote: > At 07:56 9/22/2010, you wrote: >> It's usually the cheapest, and the coolest >> thing is it's the ONLY usually to get FREE saturday delivery. >> That extra delivery day a week (that we may not have forever) >> has saved me tons of headaches. > > Also for when you need a Saturday delivery, check into FedEx HOME delivery. > While not as economical as USPS, they do have Saturday delivery -without- additional charges. > > Ron Q. > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:20 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-17 OVPM Question From: "corton@charter.net" Hi, All; I'm trying to adapt wiring diagram Z-17 for my Sonex, which has a 20A permanent magnet alternator. I purchased the B&C OVPM kit, which includes the yellow ALT / OV warning lamp. My question is: is there a way to connect the warning light someplace? I cannot connect it to the NC post of the alternator cutout relay because the common post is connected directly to the battery. I *could* connect the common post to the switched side of the batt/alt master switch, but then I'd have a 12ga wire coming in to the panel to the switch, then going back out to the firewall. The charging circuit would then come from the alternator, thru the relay, to the master switch, then back to the battery. I'd like to minimize the 12ga runs; I'm also concerned about running alternator output thru the master switch. Any suggestions? Many thanks! 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