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1. 05:41 AM - Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (user9253)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Water temp sensor ground (Noel Loveys)
3. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Intermittent Generator (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Water temp sensor ground (Noel Loveys)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? ()
6. 08:25 AM - Re: Water temp sensor ground (Neal George)
7. 08:51 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (Tim Andres)
8. 09:22 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (DeWitt Whittington)
9. 10:26 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (Bob Meyers)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (bob noffs)
11. 10:48 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (Bob Meyers)
12. 11:01 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (Bob Meyers)
13. 11:04 AM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
14. 02:50 PM - Re: Avionics ground bus (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 06:14 PM - Re: G530 TX Issue (hooverra)
16. 07:41 PM - Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? (F. Tim Yoder)
17. 10:09 PM - Re: Re: Avionics ground bus (tim2542@sbcglobal.net)
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Subject: | Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger? |
This document by Eggenfellner
http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGuide.pdf
says,
> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never use a regular
automotive charger and especially never use a trickle charger as these do not
provide proper charge voltage or currents."
This is not true is it?
Thanks, Joe
--------
Joe Gores
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Subject: | Water temp sensor ground |
You may also use a clamp to attach a ground braid to the pipe itself and
then attach the other end of the braid to a suitable ground. If you
want a little cleaner job silver solder either a tang or a nut to the
pipe and use that to attach the braid.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon
Finley
Sent: December 8, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Water temp sensor ground
Hi Paul,
The best option is to replace the sensor with one that has a ground
connector (obviously). However; I have run into this same situation a
number of times and have never come up with a really good solution (so
am listening closely to the responses). The best I have come up is a
hose clamp around the sensor with a ground wire underneith it (as you
mentioned). The only trick to this seems to be adequately securing the
wire against vibration or else it will break (at the hose clamp) over
time. Of course (just to spite me I think), the most recent sensor I
added was a large hexagon shape which made the hose clamp solution
really crude.
Jon Finley
N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22
http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx
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From: "Paul Kuntz" <paul.r.kuntz@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 7:28am
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Water temp sensor ground
Neal,
That's not a bad idea, although this particular fitting has straight
threads, not tapered pipe threads. One problem I see with the soldered
ground wire is the possibility of wire fatigue at the solder joint.
Thanks,
Paul
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Neal George <n8zg@att.net> wrote:
Paul =93
If the brass fitting had NPT threads, trying to clamp a tabbed washer
between the fitting and the manifold is probably not a good idea.
Clamping force is required to maintain electrical contact/continuity
with the washer, fitting & sensor. NPT threads depend on taper &
interference fit to seal. Finding the perfect thickness of washer to
fill the gap between the manifold boss and the adapter shoulder while
maintaining the correct fit of the NPT threads without over- or
under-torquing might be challenging.
If it were my airplane, I think I=99d drill thru one of the
corners of the brass fitting (emulating a safety wire hole) and solder a
wire in the hole for the ground. Example photos:
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=10147/index.
html
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/nuts_corner_drilled.pdf
neal
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shows a water temperature sensor in the coolant manifold riser on my
Rotax 912 installation. It's the brass-colored fitting screwed into the
end of the short horizontal tube in the middle of the photo. The sensor
needs a ground, but the coolant manifold is connected by rubber hoses to
the engine, so it's not presently grounded. I would prefer to ground
the sensor with a tabbed copper washer under the sensor itself, to which
I could attach a ground wire, but I don't know a source. I suppose I
could fabricate one myself, but I'd rather buy one if they are
available. Alternatively, I could screw a hose clamp around the
manifold and ground the clamp. Any recommendations?
Thanks,
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Subject: | RE: Intermittent Generator |
You may also want to check the point where the F lead attaches to the
alternator. I'm still betting on sticky brushes. My experience is, that
only happens when the brushes are well worn.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Johnson
Sent: December 8, 2010 12:43 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Intermittent Generator
Hi Neal,
You suggested heat buildup as a possible cause of my intermittent generator
problem. The problem began about 45 minutes into the flight. I was at
17,000' MSL and the temperature was about 14 Deg F. The alternator on my
IO-550 is gear driven and mounted at the front of the engine, directly
behind one of the two air inlets into the cowling, so I can't imagine heat
being a problem. I was running normal loads, the battery was pretty much
charged and pitot heat was turned off.
I'll take your advice and check all the alternator wiring connectors for
loose and corroded connections.
Thanks,
Dennis
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Subject: | Water temp sensor ground |
Soldering is not a good idea especially in areas of high vibration like the
engine. Solder wicks up into wire and cause a point where all the vibration
bending is concentrated on one small point. This can cause the wire to
break at that point. Better to use a crimp fitting or just attach the
ground to the pipe with a clamp.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Kuntz
Sent: December 8, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Water temp sensor ground
Good input, Neal. Thanks.
Paul
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Neal George <n8zg@att.net> wrote:
The soldered joint presents a manageable risk.
Two easy options:
1- After soldering the joint, wrap the wire around the sensor once and
secure with heat shrink or self-fusing silicone tape.
2 - Manipulate the wire to make it lay along the axis of the sensor before
soldering. After soldering, bind the wire to the sensor body with heat
shrink or self-fusing silicone tape after soldering.
There are many variations on exactly how to route, lay and affix the leads,
depending on whether you plan to use individual wires for signal and ground,
or some sort of paired conductor (shielded or twisted pair - for
convenience, not noise rejection).
neal
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Neal,
That's not a bad idea, although this particular fitting has straight
threads, not tapered pipe threads. One problem I see with the soldered
ground wire is the possibility of wire fatigue at the solder joint.
Thanks,
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Subject: | Odyssey type batteries require a special type of |
charger?
Total garbage, but nice marketing for Christmas. If they are using
something other than DC Volts in their battery, let me know.
What you will need to do is leave them on the charger for at least
overnight. That so called deep-cell marketing stuff needs extra time to
ensure a good charge. If there is any draw on your battery when your
ship is parked, they drop off pretty fast. They are good when they are
fully charged. They are good book ends when not.
If you need real power...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/22/the-bloom-box-a-power-plant-for-the-h
ome-video/
http://www.bloomenergy.com/
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user9253
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Odyssey type batteries require a special
type of charger?
<fran4sew@banyanol.com>
This document by Eggenfellner
http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallation
Guide.pdf
says,
> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never use a
regular automotive charger and especially never use a trickle charger as
these do not provide proper charge voltage or currents."
This is not true is it?
Thanks, Joe
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
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Subject: | Water temp sensor ground |
Very true, Noel -
Thus the admonition to immobilize the joint and a short length of the
associated lead.
neal
=====================
Soldering is not a good idea especially in areas of high vibration like the
engine. Solder wicks up into wire and cause a point where all the vibration
bending is concentrated on one small point. This can cause the wire to
break at that point. Better to use a crimp fitting or just attach the
ground to the pipe with a clamp.
Noel
==============
Good input, Neal. Thanks.
Paul
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Neal George <n8zg@att.net> wrote:
The soldered joint presents a manageable risk.
Two easy options:
1- After soldering the joint, wrap the wire around the sensor once and
secure with heat shrink or self-fusing silicone tape.
2 - Manipulate the wire to make it lay along the axis of the sensor before
soldering. After soldering, bind the wire to the sensor body with heat
shrink or self-fusing silicone tape after soldering.
There are many variations on exactly how to route, lay and affix the leads,
depending on whether you plan to use individual wires for signal and ground,
or some sort of paired conductor (shielded or twisted pair - for
convenience, not noise rejection).
neal
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
From ODYSSEY's site:
http://www.odysseybattery.com/documents/US-ODY-OM-008_1010.pdf
Also I note that the charges they sell use 3 sequential charge
currents. This may be of use in the Deep cycle application and of course
your alternator does not know if you have an ODYSSEY or a Sears & Robuck
battery. I cant imagine it would not get a complete charge after a few
hours with 14 VDC on it.
Tim Andres
>
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
This is true. We bought one of the special
charger for our dual 680s from www.BatteryMat.com
. On the advice of our friend who is flying his
Sportsman, we bought the 12amp model so it would
keep the batteries up when we were sitting in the
cockpit for long periods learning how to use our full glass panel.
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Dee
At 08:37 AM 12/9/2010, you wrote:
>
>This document by Eggenfellner
>http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGui
de.pdf
>
>says,
> > "Odyssey type batteries require a special
> type of charger. Never use a regular automotive
> charger and especially never use a trickle
> charger as these do not provide proper charge voltage or currents."
>
>This is not true is it?
>Thanks, Joe
>
>--------
>Joe Gores
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
>
>
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Richmond, VA 23220-3320
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of |
charger?
Not only is it not true, Odyssey doesn't claim it is true. Odyssey
makes a line of chargers that they will be happy to sell you, but they
also publish detailed specs that will let you evaluate the suitability
of any charger - of which most automotive chargers will work just fine.
Most significantly they warn about using any charger that exceeds 15v.
Since no charger should really do that, it is usually only the
cheapest, most poorly made chargers that you have to worry about.
The above is the only thing that they warn can damage the battery.
The rest of their caveats talk about how best to achieve 100% SOC and
what you may may have to do depending on the charger you have.
Bob Meyers
Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:37 AM, user9253 wrote:
> >
>
> This document by Eggenfellner
> http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGuide.pdf
> says,
>> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never
>> use a regular automotive charger and especially never use a trickle
>> charger as these do not provide proper charge voltage or currents."
>
> This is not true is it?
> Thanks, Joe
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
fwiw, for several yrs i have had a schumacher [ mod 1362?] battery tender
connected to my 625. as far as i can tell it works as well as when new.
constant voltage regulation has n't been a problem. you can pick them up new
on ebay for $25.
bob noffs
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org>wrote:
> bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org>
>
> Not only is it not true, Odyssey doesn't claim it is true. Odyssey makes a
> line of chargers that they will be happy to sell you, but they also publish
> detailed specs that will let you evaluate the suitability of any charger -
> of which most automotive chargers will work just fine.
>
> Most significantly they warn about using any charger that exceeds 15v.
> Since no charger should really do that, it is usually only the cheapest,
> most poorly made chargers that you have to worry about.
>
> The above is the only thing that they warn can damage the battery. The
> rest of their caveats talk about how best to achieve 100% SOC and what you
> may may have to do depending on the charger you have.
>
> Bob Meyers
>
> Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com<http://n982sx.com/>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:37 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> This document by Eggenfellner
>>
>> http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGuide.pdf
>> says,
>>
>>> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never use a
>>> regular automotive charger and especially never use a trickle charger as
>>> these do not provide proper charge voltage or currents."
>>>
>>
>> This is not true is it?
>> Thanks, Joe
>>
>> --------
>> Joe Gores
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type of |
charger?
The Manual TIm has linked to is a good document, but for a more
detailed look at charging Odyssey batteries, their ''Application
Manual" is more complete. Again, although they say how perfect their
chargers are for their batteries, it is clear that a wide range of
devices can charge their batteries. As they discuss, a low amperage
13.5 volt trickle charger may simply take a long time.
Here is the link. Note pages 12 - 15 discuss charging and chargers.
http://www.odysseybattery.com/documents/US-ODY-AM-001_0406.pdf
Bob Meyers
Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
Bob Meyers
Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Bob Meyers wrote:
> >
>
> Not only is it not true, Odyssey doesn't claim it is true. Odyssey
> makes a line of chargers that they will be happy to sell you, but
> they also publish detailed specs that will let you evaluate the
> suitability of any charger - of which most automotive chargers will
> work just fine.
>
> Most significantly they warn about using any charger that exceeds
> 15v. Since no charger should really do that, it is usually only the
> cheapest, most poorly made chargers that you have to worry about.
>
> The above is the only thing that they warn can damage the battery.
> The rest of their caveats talk about how best to achieve 100% SOC
> and what you may may have to do depending on the charger you have.
>
> Bob Meyers
>
> Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:37 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> This document by Eggenfellner
>> http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGuide.pdf
>> says,
>>> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never
>>> use a regular automotive charger and especially never use a
>>> trickle charger as these do not provide proper charge voltage or
>>> currents."
>>
>> This is not true is it?
>> Thanks, Joe
>>
>> --------
>> Joe Gores
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
Yes, I hope I didn't imply that cheap wouldn't work, only that some of
them may not perform correctly. That is easy to monitor when you
start using a new charger.
Bob Meyers
Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:39 PM, bob noffs wrote:
> fwiw, for several yrs i have had a schumacher [ mod 1362?] battery
> tender connected to my 625. as far as i can tell it works as well as
> when new. constant voltage regulation has n't been a problem. you
> can pick them up new on ebay for $25.
> bob noffs
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org
> > wrote:
> >
>
> Not only is it not true, Odyssey doesn't claim it is true. Odyssey
> makes a line of chargers that they will be happy to sell you, but
> they also publish detailed specs that will let you evaluate the
> suitability of any charger - of which most automotive chargers will
> work just fine.
>
> Most significantly they warn about using any charger that exceeds
> 15v. Since no charger should really do that, it is usually only the
> cheapest, most poorly made chargers that you have to worry about.
>
> The above is the only thing that they warn can damage the battery.
> The rest of their caveats talk about how best to achieve 100% SOC
> and what you may may have to do depending on the charger you have.
>
> Bob Meyers
>
> Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:37 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
> >
>
> This document by Eggenfellner
> http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Stuff-to-link-to/ESeriesInstallationGuide.pdf
> says,
> "Odyssey type batteries require a special type of charger. Never use
> a regular automotive charger and especially never use a trickle
> charger as these do not provide proper charge voltage or currents."
>
> This is not true is it?
> Thanks, Joe
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322731#322731
>
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
At 10:48 AM 12/9/2010, you wrote:
>
> From ODYSSEY's site:
>
>http://www.odysseybattery.com/documents/US-ODY-OM-008_1010.pdf
>
>Also I note that the charges they sell use 3 sequential charge
>currents. This may be of use in the Deep cycle application and of
>course your alternator does not know if you have an ODYSSEY or a
>Sears & Robuck battery. I cant imagine it would not get a complete
>charge after a few hours with 14 VDC on it.
>Tim Andres
Right on. The Internet driven dispersal of
floobydust about SVLA battery charging has been
waxing and waning for at least ten years.
Bottom line is that EVERY manufacturer of battery
has good reason to recommend/discourage a battery
charging philosophy . . . but for reasons that
are usually not known to us and is probably
irrelevant.
The folks at the factory may have conducted many
detailed studies with a goal of knowing (1) how
their product performs and (2) how to make that
performance stand a tad taller than the competition.
As Tim noted, once you bolt the battery to your
airplane, ALL bets for achieving the greatest
possible service life are off. This is because
the probability that any given battery is asked
to perform in laboratory conditions is zero.
The problem is further compounded when folks who
sell batteries mix decades of ol' mechanics lore
with ideas taken from the new supplier's 4-color
brochures. Mix the 'right' ingredients and clouds
of floobydust explode.
There is no such thing as a modern "trickle" charger
which is, by definition, a small but CONSTANT
CURRENT charger. Trickle chargers are mildly abusive
of a flooded battery ('cause you can put in more
water) and poison to an SVLA battery ('cause you
can't put in more water).
Many small chargers (1/2 amp to perhaps 2 amps
capability) are often mis-identified as "trickle
chargers" based only on their electrical size.
In fact, I'm aware of NO modern product at any
price that does not go into some form of constant
SUSTAINING voltage after spending some time at
a bulk charge or TOP-OFF voltage. These are BATTERY
MAINTAINERS. The least expensive device at WalMart are
entirely suitable for charging/maintaining any
brand/size of SVLA battery.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Ideal_Recharge_Protocol.jpg
How close do the market place chargers come to meeting
the "ideal recharge protocol"?
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Battery_Minder_Recharge.pdf
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Battery_Tender_Recharge.pdf
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_2.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_3.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_4.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_5.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_6.jpg
Not many.
How much difference will it make in the demonstrated
service life in YOUR airplane. Not much.
Check out the offerings of Professor Battery
(Isador Buchmann) at . . .
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn
Finally, exhortations for application or black-
listing of any modern product as a battery charger
need to be filtered integrity of the physics and/or
relevance in your proposed application.
As Tim noted, your alternator/regulator combo
doesn't read Battery Digest.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Avionics ground bus |
At 09:55 AM 12/7/2010, you wrote:
><nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
>Some parts on order for the first production batch will
>be here tomorrow. I'm about 1/3 completed with the
>instruction manual. I'll put it up on the website
>catalog and order form tomorrow.
I've got a pretty good first whack at the installation
manual for the instrument panel ground bus.
http://aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9031/IM9031-700A.pdf
the first orders are shipping today.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: G530 TX Issue |
Glen,
You didn't say if it ever worked. From the symptoms you present it would appear
to be the mic audio connection from the audio panel to the to the 530.
Other com working says the mic and audio input is OK.
The TX indicator and breaking squelch on the Hand Held Radio says the Mic Key and
transmitter are working. You could have a defective Audio panel output or 530
Mic input but it is more likely a connection issue. Use a couple of pins crimped
to a pair of stiff wires so you can probe the tray connectors and check
continuity of both the Mic high and Mic Return lines. You will probably find A.
A pin in the wrong place, B. A pin retracted from the connector, C. A bad crimp
or D. A broken wire.
I had a similar symptom on an RV-10 with a 430 it was A pin in the wrong position.
If it ever worked then I would suspect B
Good luck
--------
Ralph & Laura Hoover
RV7A N527LR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322796#322796
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Subject: | Re: Odyssey type batteries require a special type |
of charger?
What kind of Alternator do you get that produces 3 sequential charge
currents for the Odyssey?
Well, I thought it was funny.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Odyssey type batteries require a special
type of charger?
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 10:48 AM 12/9/2010, you wrote:
>><tim2542@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> From ODYSSEY's site:
>>
>>http://www.odysseybattery.com/documents/US-ODY-OM-008_1010.pdf
>>
>>Also I note that the charges they sell use 3 sequential charge currents.
>>This may be of use in the Deep cycle application and of course your
>>alternator does not know if you have an ODYSSEY or a Sears & Robuck
>>battery. I cant imagine it would not get a complete charge after a few
>>hours with 14 VDC on it.
>>Tim Andres
>
> Right on. The Internet driven dispersal of
> floobydust about SVLA battery charging has been
> waxing and waning for at least ten years.
>
> Bottom line is that EVERY manufacturer of battery
> has good reason to recommend/discourage a battery
> charging philosophy . . . but for reasons that
> are usually not known to us and is probably
> irrelevant.
>
> The folks at the factory may have conducted many
> detailed studies with a goal of knowing (1) how
> their product performs and (2) how to make that
> performance stand a tad taller than the competition.
>
> As Tim noted, once you bolt the battery to your
> airplane, ALL bets for achieving the greatest
> possible service life are off. This is because
> the probability that any given battery is asked
> to perform in laboratory conditions is zero.
>
> The problem is further compounded when folks who
> sell batteries mix decades of ol' mechanics lore
> with ideas taken from the new supplier's 4-color
> brochures. Mix the 'right' ingredients and clouds
> of floobydust explode.
>
> There is no such thing as a modern "trickle" charger
> which is, by definition, a small but CONSTANT
> CURRENT charger. Trickle chargers are mildly abusive
> of a flooded battery ('cause you can put in more
> water) and poison to an SVLA battery ('cause you
> can't put in more water).
>
> Many small chargers (1/2 amp to perhaps 2 amps
> capability) are often mis-identified as "trickle
> chargers" based only on their electrical size.
>
> In fact, I'm aware of NO modern product at any
> price that does not go into some form of constant
> SUSTAINING voltage after spending some time at
> a bulk charge or TOP-OFF voltage. These are BATTERY
> MAINTAINERS. The least expensive device at WalMart are
> entirely suitable for charging/maintaining any
> brand/size of SVLA battery.
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Ideal_Recharge_Protocol.jpg
>
> How close do the market place chargers come to meeting
> the "ideal recharge protocol"?
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Battery_Minder_Recharge.pdf
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/Battery_Tender_Recharge.pdf
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_2.jpg
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_3.jpg
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_4.jpg
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_5.jpg
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_6.jpg
>
> Not many.
>
> How much difference will it make in the demonstrated
> service life in YOUR airplane. Not much.
>
> Check out the offerings of Professor Battery
> (Isador Buchmann) at . . .
>
> http://batteryuniversity.com/learn
>
> Finally, exhortations for application or black-
> listing of any modern product as a battery charger
> need to be filtered integrity of the physics and/or
> relevance in your proposed application.
>
> As Tim noted, your alternator/regulator combo
> doesn't read Battery Digest.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Avionics ground bus |
Hello Bob
I order a grnd bus on your site and was expecting an email to complete the order
with pay pal. No hurry but just wondering if I did not get the order complete
Thanks
Tim Andres
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2010, at 2:46 PM, "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
wrote:
>
> At 09:55 AM 12/7/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Some parts on order for the first production batch will
>> be here tomorrow. I'm about 1/3 completed with the
>> instruction manual. I'll put it up on the website
>> catalog and order form tomorrow.
>
> I've got a pretty good first whack at the installation
> manual for the instrument panel ground bus.
>
> http://aeroelectric.com/Catalog/AEC/9031/IM9031-700A.pdf
>
> the first orders are shipping today.
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
>
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