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1. 01:05 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Peter Mather)
2. 01:39 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (JOHN TIPTON)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Shorai LiFePO4 (Jan de Jong)
4. 05:27 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Eric M. Jones)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (David)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (BobsV35B@aol.com)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 06:54 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Lynn Riggs)
10. 07:05 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Ralph & Maria Finch)
11. 07:10 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Eric M. Jones)
12. 07:30 AM - ANL height, help please. (Terry Mortimore)
13. 08:41 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (earl_schroeder@juno.com)
14. 09:23 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (RGent1224@aol.com)
15. 09:23 AM - Re: ANL height, help please. (John Morgensen)
16. 10:52 AM - Re: ANL height, help please. (TERRY MORTIMORE)
17. 03:47 PM - Battery box being demanded (RayStL)
18. 05:06 PM - Re: Battery box being demanded (Robert Taylor)
19. 09:11 PM - Re: ANL height, help please. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
20. 09:48 PM - Re: Battery box being demanded (RayStL)
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Bob, Bob and Elbie
Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch and
weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the
production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection.
Best Regards
Peter
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Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat
Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you give
below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell people to
turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an instrument give
you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless the plane is approved
for flight in icing conditions.
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
Any time you even THINK you've gathered
some ice, the prudent action is to take
immediate measures to get out . . . 180
turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar)
philosophy for icing encounters should have
you breathing easier in a much shorter
period of time . . . and probably before
the pitot tube ices over.
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But then, if one has a 'Gretz' heated pitot tube, which powers the
heating automatically, and give a indication as such on the panel -
should therefore be a good 'icing' indicator as well
John (RV9a-wings)
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From: Peter Mather
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat
Bob, Bob and Elbie
Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch
and weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many
of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice
protection.
Best Regards
Peter
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Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat
Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you
give below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell
people to turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an
instrument give you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless
the plane is approved for flight in icing conditions.
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
Any time you even THINK you've gathered
some ice, the prudent action is to take
immediate measures to get out . . . 180
turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar)
philosophy for icing encounters should have
you breathing easier in a much shorter
period of time . . . and probably before
the pitot tube ices over.
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| Subject: | Re: Shorai LiFePO4 |
Hi Ken,
Re http://manuals.hobbico.com/hca/lifesource-manual-v2.pdf
It sure sounds ominous.
Let me think of some reasons why it may be too ominous.
- the hobbico batteries regularly crash to earth - it is part of their job
(in a real airplane a battery would crash at most once and even then be
more protected as part of a larger object;
thanks to its light weight it may well stay in its designated place too;
if it is not physically damaged there is no danger; the chemistry needs
more than 900 'C to burn)
- the hobbico batteries are composed of random cells of the same manufacture
(the Shorai battery cells may be designed/manufactured/selected to be
part of the same battery)
- the hobby user may be suspected of not appreciating the energy
contained in so light a package
(we do a one-time carefully considered installation with switches and
contactors all around)
- a cya component
My concern is mostly whether in our normal use where we keep our
batteries generally fully charged with something close enough to the
required CC/CV regime the cells of a LFP battery will over time always
converge in state of charge.
It will be interesting to see how the motorcyclists will be doing with that.
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
I am going to collect a book about guys who are obsessed with a whacky idea. There's
no shortage. Look at Paul Mollier.
If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8
or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube"
Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!)
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
Read this topic online here:
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At 03:58 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote:
>Bob, Bob and Elbie
>
>Thanks for your comments ' On this basis I=92ll
>save the wire, switch and weight and just use
>the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many
>of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection.
Its a legacy FAA thing but I don't think it was
ever well explained to the neophyte flying community.
JUST because you CAN shed some ice on a really useful
instrument system shouldn't be taken as a suggestion
that continued flight into recent discovered icing
conditions is encouraged.
But it was part of an FAA certification for flight
into IMC. Here are relevant paragraphs out of
Part 23:
Sec. 23.1323 Airspeed indicating system.
(a) Each airspeed indicating instrument must be calibrated to indicate
true airspeed (at sea level with a standard atmosphere) with a minimum
practicable instrument calibration error when the corresponding pitot and
static pressures are applied.
(b) Each airspeed system must be calibrated in flight to determine the
system error. The system error, including position error, but excluding the
airspeed indicator instrument calibration error, may not exceed three
percent
of the calibrated airspeed or five knots, whichever is greater, throughout
the following speed ranges:
(1) 1.3 VS1 to VMO/MMO or VNE, whichever is appropriate with flaps
retracted.
(2) 1.3 VS1 to VFE with flaps extended.
(c) The design and installation of each airspeed indicating system must
provide positive drainage of moisture from the pitot static plumbing.
(d) If certification for instrument flight rules or flight in icing
conditions is requested, each airspeed system must have a heated pitot tube
or an equivalent means of preventing malfunction due to icing.
(e) In addition, for commuter category airplanes, the airspeed indicating
system must be calibrated to determine the system error during the
accelerate-takeoff ground run. The ground run calibration must be obtained
between 0.8 of the minimum value of V1, and 1.2 times the maximum value of
V1
considering the approved ranges of altitude and weight. The ground run
calibration must be determined assuming an engine failure at the minimum
value of V1.
(f) For commuter category airplanes, where duplicate airspeed indicators
are required, their respective pitot tubes must be far enough apart to avoid
damage to both tubes in a collision with a bird.
I don't think the wording of that paragraph has changed
at all in my recollection. But in any case, I've come
to understand that "malfunction due to icing" is a
non-quantified term. There is ice, then there is Ice and
finally, there is ICE. If you check out the kind of ice
a pitot tube is expected to shed in the icing tunnel,
it gives pause to consider how the rest of the airplane
might be holding up.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
What amazes me about Moller is his ability to con, er, convince others
to invest *millions* in his (so far unsuccessful) ideas.
david
Eric M. Jones wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"<emjones@charter.net>
>
> I am going to collect a book about guys who are obsessed with a whacky idea.
There's no shortage. Look at Paul Mollier.
>
> If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8
>
> or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube"
>
> Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!)
>
> --------
> Eric M. Jones
> www.PerihelionDesign.com
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge, MA 01550
> (508) 764-2072
> emjones@charter.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329944#329944
>
>
>
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Good Morning Bob,
I tend to disagree with the idea that having a heated pitot tube is not a
good thing for airplanes that are not equipped for flight in known ice.
As far as I know, all major airlines fly with pitot heat on at all times,
not just in icing conditions. I have flown many airplanes where the pitot
iced up as soon as any moisture was encountered. I have also flown airpla
nes
that had what were referred to as icing resistant pitot tubes. Personally
,
I want a good heated pitot tube on any airplane which is planned to be us
ed
for serious transportation. I turn on the heat any time there is any
precipitation at all. Snow or rain. It makes no difference, I still want
pitot
heat.
Ice is where you find it. There are lots of times when you really can't sa
y
for certain there will be ice, but you also cannot tell there won't be
ice.
Even the FAA has finally recognized that if we do not fly any time there
is
a cloud in the sky when the temperature is around freezing, we won't do
much flying.
I can't give a complete course on ice avoidance in a short message, but
there are many conditions where a safe flight can be conducted in areas wh
ere
ice is a good possibility. We need to learn how to fly on the edge of such
conditions and always keep a solid gold way out if icing conditions are
encountered. If we are afraid to fly any time there might be ice, we will
not
get much utility out of our airplanes.
On top of that, I know of no airplane that will handle being flown in
continuous heavy icing conditions. The idea of deicing and anti icing equ
ipment
is to use that capability to get out of the icing conditions. Having
"known ice" capability allows you to step a little closer to icing condit
ions,
but you still have to know when to give it up and get out of Dodge! The
ones
that make the news are those who stayed in ice when they should have gone
elsewhere. Think Roselawn, Indiana, and Buffalo, New York.
I can match hours and experience with any expert or instructor you have
quoted about icing encounters, but I won't bore the list with details.
Pitot heat is a GOOD thing to have. Putting ice repellent on a propellor
is
a GOOD thing to do.
The most important thing about getting near ice is having a plan to get ou
t
of it. That is true whether you are flying an RV-4 or a Boeing 747.
As in everything else we aviators do, knowledge is the key to making prope
r
decisions.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 2/7/2011 7:29:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes:
At 03:58 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote:
Bob, Bob and Elbie
Thanks for your comments =93 On this basis I=99ll save the wi
re, switch and
weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of
the
production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection.
Its a legacy FAA thing but I don't think it was
ever well explained to the neophyte flying community.
JUST because you CAN shed some ice on a really useful
instrument system shouldn't be taken as a suggestion
that continued flight into recent discovered icing
conditions is encouraged.
But it was part of an FAA certification for flight
into IMC. Here are relevant paragraphs out of
Part 23:
Sec. 23.1323 Airspeed indicating system.
(a) Each airspeed indicating instrument must be calibrated to indicate
true airspeed (at sea level with a standard atmosphere) with a minimum
practicable instrument calibration error when the corresponding pitot and
static pressures are applied.
(b) Each airspeed system must be calibrated in flight to determine the
system error. The system error, including position error, but excluding
the
airspeed indicator instrument calibration error, may not exceed three
percent
of the calibrated airspeed or five knots, whichever is greater, throughou
t
the following speed ranges:
(1) 1.3 VS1 to VMO/MMO or VNE, whichever is appropriate with flaps
retracted.
(2) 1.3 VS1 to VFE with flaps extended.
(c) The design and installation of each airspeed indicating system must
provide positive drainage of moisture from the pitot static plumbing.
(d) If certification for instrument flight rules or flight in icing
conditions is requested, each airspeed system must have a heated pitot tu
be
or an equivalent means of preventing malfunction due to icing.
(e) In addition, for commuter category airplanes, the airspeed indicating
system must be calibrated to determine the system error during the
accelerate-takeoff ground run. The ground run calibration must be obtaine
d
between 0.8 of the minimum value of V1, and 1.2 times the maximum value
of
V1
considering the approved ranges of altitude and weight. The ground run
calibration must be determined assuming an engine failure at the minimum
value of V1.
(f) For commuter category airplanes, where duplicate airspeed indicators
are required, their respective pitot tubes must be far enough apart to
avoid
damage to both tubes in a collision with a bird.
I don't think the wording of that paragraph has changed
at all in my recollection. But in any case, I've come
to understand that "malfunction due to icing" is a
non-quantified term. There is ice, then there is Ice and
finally, there is ICE. If you check out the kind of ice
a pitot tube is expected to shed in the icing tunnel,
it gives pause to consider how the rest of the airplane
might be holding up.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
>If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8
>
>or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube"
>
>Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!)
The first question that comes to mind is how many
Joules of energy are required to convert say 1 kg
of plastic into any useable liquid and how much
energy is available for re-use from the utilization
of that liquid in other applications? I think Ethanol
has a similar conversion efficiency problem. It takes
more energy to produce a volume of ethanol than one gets
back out of it when it's burned in an engine. So while
the byproduct (ethanol) might be a desirable fuel
from the emissions perspective, emissions from production
of the fuel more than offset the gains. It's that old
entropy thingy . . . along with our willingness or
inability to consider the end-to-end economics.
Then there's the unintended consequences. I understand
that about 1/3 of our corn crops in the US are scheduled
to be turned into fuel . . . when the price of food is
going up faster than inflation. Gee, do you suppose there's
some linkage here?
I'm curious too about what's left in the distillation
system for the plastic-to-oil conversion at the end of
a batch. What are the residues and what disposal
problems do they present? And what's the energy budet
for further processing to turn the "oil" into a motor
fuel that modern engines require or will tolerate?
That's not to suggest that the plastic-to-oil conversion
might not make sense in some situations. But it takes
and end-to-end study of the big-picture economics.
Suppose you could gather all the plastic trash for a
nation in a few locations. What are the logistics and
energy expenditures for such an effort? The table
top demonstrator might be just fine for the energy
savy home-owner to convert HIS trash into a more useful
and less unsightly commodity . . . but in the final
analysis I think it will prove to be a more expensive
and more energy intensive way to dispose of one's
trash.
Bob . . .
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My experience has been that you can ice up in a pitot tube without icing up
the structure and if you do get into ice inadvertently the last thing you
want to happen is loose your airspeed. I am adding the heated pitot tube.
Lynn A. Riggs
<http://home.comcast.net/~lariggs/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html> BH 656
Kit 22
http://www.vrbo.com/340549
http://www.vrbo.com/297684
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Mather
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:58 AM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat
Bob, Bob and Elbie
Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch and
weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the
production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection.
Best Regards
Peter
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EMAproducts@aol.com
Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat
Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you give
below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell people to
turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an instrument give
you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless the plane is approved
for flight in icing conditions.
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
Any time you even THINK you've gathered
some ice, the prudent action is to take
immediate measures to get out . . . 180
turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar)
philosophy for icing encounters should have
you breathing easier in a much shorter
period of time . . . and probably before
the pitot tube ices over.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
Hmm. I wonder if MidWestern pro-capitalist free-enterprise supporters
are behind the enormous corn subsidies. At least they let Microsoft
invent the Internet though...
RF
On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, Terry Watson wrote:
> If they aren't pushing ethanol or wind power
> fiascos, they are regulating other ideas into oblivion.
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
> What amazes me about Moller is his ability to con, er, convince others
> to invest *millions* in his (so far unsuccessful) ideas. david
The SEC smacked him down hard a couple years ago. Now he can't ask anybody for funds. http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm
Bob, All good points.
As nice as the idea seems, a review of what has to be done to relatively- healthy
cooking oil to make it work well in an engine merely hints at what has to be
done to plastic fuel. Plastic contains vicious stuff...poisons, acids, corrosives.
Your engine or your lungs...I wonder which fails first? Just because it
burns, doesn't mean you should burn it. You haven't seen smog until you use plastic
for fuel.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
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| Subject: | ANL height, help please. |
Hi Gang:
I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system
installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty products to
let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to order it, or it
fell throught the cracks somehow.
I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but not the
base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish bending the
copper bus bar to fit.
Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the studs
sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself, but I have
that information.
Thanks in advance, Terry.
Terry Mortimore
426 McNabb Street Apt#4
Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
P6B 1Z3
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
Ralph and Terry,
Speaking as a retired Midwestern 'farmer', I do not know who is 'behind' the 'enormous
corn subsidies' but most of us who farm family type farms did NOT start
the subsidies nor do we want them. However, you are forced to accept them to
be competitive and stay in the business because the cost of equipment, fertilizer,
seed, fuel, insurance etc all raise in unison with the 'subsidies'. (just
an excuse to raise we think) The problem is those costs increase MORE than
the 'payments' and never seem to go down. I could send you the facts and figures
but this is not the proper venue... The RFD channel's program "This week
in Agribusiness" is the only source in the media that gets the facts close
to real life. (ch 231 on Dish Network and airs on the weekends) Earl
Do Not Archive.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ralph & Maria Finch <ralphmariafinch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic)
Hmm. I wonder if MidWestern pro-capitalist free-enterprise supporters
are behind the enormous corn subsidies. At least they let Microsoft
invent the Internet though...
RF
On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, Terry Watson wrote:
> If they aren't pushing ethanol or wind power
> fiascos, they are regulating other ideas into oblivion.
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) |
In a message dated 2/7/2011 10:42:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,
earl_schroeder@juno.com writes:
The RFD channel's program "This week in Agribusiness" is the only source
in the media that gets the facts close to real life. (ch 231 on Dish
Network and airs on the weekends)
Try 345 on directv
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| Subject: | Re: ANL height, help please. |
My base is NOT covered but it is 1/2" high plus the first nut which
results in 7/16" from firewall to the "finger" on the ANL fuse. Hope
this helps.
john
On 2/7/2011 7:25 AM, Terry Mortimore wrote:
> <terry.mortimore@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system
> installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty
> products to let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to
> order it, or it fell throught the cracks somehow.
>
> I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but
> not the base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish
> bending the copper bus bar to fit.
>
> Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the
> studs sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself,
> but I have that information.
>
>
> Thanks in advance, Terry.
>
>
> Terry Mortimore
> 426 McNabb Street Apt#4
> Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
> P6B 1Z3
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANL height, help please. |
Hi John=2C thanks for the reply=2E
A fellow on Vansairforce tells me that the covered bases are a little ta
ller measuring 3/4=22=2E
This will get me going=2C thanks again=2E Terry=2E
----- Original Message -----
From=3A John Morgensen =3Cjohn=40morgensen=2Ecom=3E
Date=3A Monday=2C February 7=2C 2011 12=3A35 pm
Subject=3A Re=3A AeroElectric-List=3A ANL height=2C help please=2E
To=3A aeroelectric-list=40matronics=2Ecom
=3E --=3E AeroElectric-List message posted by=3A John Morgensen
=3E =3Cjohn=40morgensen=2Ecom=3E
=3E My base is NOT covered but it is 1/2=22 high plus the first nut
=3E which results in 7/16=22 from firewall to the =22finger=22 on the AN
L
=3E fuse=2E- Hope this helps=2E
=3E john
=3E On 2/7/2011 7=3A25 AM=2C Terry Mortimore wrote=3A
=3E =3E--=3E AeroElectric-List message posted by=3A =22Terry Mortimore=22
=3E =3Cterry=2Emortimore=40shaw=2Eca=3E=3E
=3E =3E
=3E =3EHi Gang=3A
=3E =3E
=3E =3EI was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical
=3E system installation=2E The one thing I was waiting for from B=26C
=3E Specialty products to let me carry on was not shipped=2E Not sure
=3E if I forgot to order it=2C or it fell throught the cracks somehow=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3EI needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse=2C I recieved the fuse
=3E but not the base=2E I need to know how high the base sits so I can
=3E finish bending the copper bus bar to fit=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3EDoes somebody out there know how high above the firewall
=3E surface the studs sit=3F I would have to add the thickness of the
=3E ANL fuse itself=2C but I have that information=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E =3EThanks in advance=2C Terry=2E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E =3E
=3E =3ETerry Mortimore
=3E =3E426 McNabb Street Apt=234
=3E =3ESault Ste Marie=2C Ontario
=3E =3EP6B 1Z3
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| Subject: | Battery box being demanded |
Help. I have a homebuilt CH701. A DOT Inspector (Canada) is trying to force me
to retrofit a battery box on my sealed Power Sonic battery attached to the cockpit
side of the firewall. I need to convince him it complies with an applicable
aviation standard. I am having a hard time finding anything concrete out
there. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
--ray
--------
Ray St-Laurent
701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box being demanded |
Would it be reasonable for you to ask the good inspector the applicable
aviation standard to which you were in violation? This would save some time
and would give him the opportunity to "disengage".
Just askin'.
Bob Taylor
TigerCub N657RT
--------------------------------------------------
From: "RayStL" <raystl@nbnet.nb.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:41 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery box being demanded
>
> Help. I have a homebuilt CH701. A DOT Inspector (Canada) is trying to
> force me to retrofit a battery box on my sealed Power Sonic battery
> attached to the cockpit side of the firewall. I need to convince him it
> complies with an applicable aviation standard. I am having a hard time
> finding anything concrete out there. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
> --ray
>
> --------
> Ray St-Laurent
> 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330059#330059
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ANL height, help please. |
At 10:25 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote:
><terry.mortimore@shaw.ca>
>
>
>Hi Gang:
>
>I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system
>installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty
>products to let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to
>order it, or it fell throught the cracks somehow.
>
>I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but
>not the base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish
>bending the copper bus bar to fit.
>
>Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the
>studs sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself,
>but I have that information.
I'm sure a call to B&C will get you a helpful
person who will go measure one . . . assuming
they are in stock.
Looking at the Picture from the B&C website . . .
Emacs!
. . . and applying some simple ratio and proportion studies
suggests that the overall height of this product is on the
order of 1.75".
Close enough for OBAM work?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Battery box being demanded |
Here are his words...
"you have not provided specific "accepted aviation standard practices" references
or documentationrequired to meet Canadian Aviation Regulation Standard 549.5(b).
"
I am not sure what the FAR equivalent is.
--ray
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701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
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