---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/07/11: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Peter Mather) 2. 01:39 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (JOHN TIPTON) 3. 04:31 AM - Re: Shorai LiFePO4 (Jan de Jong) 4. 05:27 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Eric M. Jones) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (David) 7. 06:44 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (BobsV35B@aol.com) 8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 9. 06:54 AM - Re: Pitot Heat (Lynn Riggs) 10. 07:05 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Ralph & Maria Finch) 11. 07:10 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (Eric M. Jones) 12. 07:30 AM - ANL height, help please. (Terry Mortimore) 13. 08:41 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (earl_schroeder@juno.com) 14. 09:23 AM - Re: Fw: Solar Highways (off topic) (RGent1224@aol.com) 15. 09:23 AM - Re: ANL height, help please. (John Morgensen) 16. 10:52 AM - Re: ANL height, help please. (TERRY MORTIMORE) 17. 03:47 PM - Battery box being demanded (RayStL) 18. 05:06 PM - Re: Battery box being demanded (Robert Taylor) 19. 09:11 PM - Re: ANL height, help please. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 20. 09:48 PM - Re: Battery box being demanded (RayStL) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:56 AM PST US From: "Peter Mather" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, Bob and Elbie Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch and weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection. Best Regards Peter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EMAproducts@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you give below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell people to turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an instrument give you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless the plane is approved for flight in icing conditions. Elbie Mendenhall EM aviation www.riteangle.com Any time you even THINK you've gathered some ice, the prudent action is to take immediate measures to get out . . . 180 turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar) philosophy for icing encounters should have you breathing easier in a much shorter period of time . . . and probably before the pitot tube ices over. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:07 AM PST US From: "JOHN TIPTON" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat But then, if one has a 'Gretz' heated pitot tube, which powers the heating automatically, and give a indication as such on the panel - should therefore be a good 'icing' indicator as well John (RV9a-wings) ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Mather To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, Bob and Elbie Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch and weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection. Best Regards Peter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EMAproducts@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56 To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you give below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell people to turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an instrument give you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless the plane is approved for flight in icing conditions. Elbie Mendenhall EM aviation www.riteangle.com Any time you even THINK you've gathered some ice, the prudent action is to take immediate measures to get out . . . 180 turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar) philosophy for icing encounters should have you breathing easier in a much shorter period of time . . . and probably before the pitot tube ices over. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-Listhttp://forums.matroni cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:28 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shorai LiFePO4 Hi Ken, Re http://manuals.hobbico.com/hca/lifesource-manual-v2.pdf It sure sounds ominous. Let me think of some reasons why it may be too ominous. - the hobbico batteries regularly crash to earth - it is part of their job (in a real airplane a battery would crash at most once and even then be more protected as part of a larger object; thanks to its light weight it may well stay in its designated place too; if it is not physically damaged there is no danger; the chemistry needs more than 900 'C to burn) - the hobbico batteries are composed of random cells of the same manufacture (the Shorai battery cells may be designed/manufactured/selected to be part of the same battery) - the hobby user may be suspected of not appreciating the energy contained in so light a package (we do a one-time carefully considered installation with switches and contactors all around) - a cya component My concern is mostly whether in our normal use where we keep our batteries generally fully charged with something close enough to the required CC/CV regime the cells of a LFP battery will over time always converge in state of charge. It will be interesting to see how the motorcyclists will be doing with that. Jan de Jong ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:38 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) From: "Eric M. Jones" I am going to collect a book about guys who are obsessed with a whacky idea. There's no shortage. Look at Paul Mollier. If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8 or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube" Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!) -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329944#329944 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:27 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat At 03:58 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote: >Bob, Bob and Elbie > >Thanks for your comments ' On this basis I=92ll >save the wire, switch and weight and just use >the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many >of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection. Its a legacy FAA thing but I don't think it was ever well explained to the neophyte flying community. JUST because you CAN shed some ice on a really useful instrument system shouldn't be taken as a suggestion that continued flight into recent discovered icing conditions is encouraged. But it was part of an FAA certification for flight into IMC. Here are relevant paragraphs out of Part 23: Sec. 23.1323 Airspeed indicating system. (a) Each airspeed indicating instrument must be calibrated to indicate true airspeed (at sea level with a standard atmosphere) with a minimum practicable instrument calibration error when the corresponding pitot and static pressures are applied. (b) Each airspeed system must be calibrated in flight to determine the system error. The system error, including position error, but excluding the airspeed indicator instrument calibration error, may not exceed three percent of the calibrated airspeed or five knots, whichever is greater, throughout the following speed ranges: (1) 1.3 VS1 to VMO/MMO or VNE, whichever is appropriate with flaps retracted. (2) 1.3 VS1 to VFE with flaps extended. (c) The design and installation of each airspeed indicating system must provide positive drainage of moisture from the pitot static plumbing. (d) If certification for instrument flight rules or flight in icing conditions is requested, each airspeed system must have a heated pitot tube or an equivalent means of preventing malfunction due to icing. (e) In addition, for commuter category airplanes, the airspeed indicating system must be calibrated to determine the system error during the accelerate-takeoff ground run. The ground run calibration must be obtained between 0.8 of the minimum value of V1, and 1.2 times the maximum value of V1 considering the approved ranges of altitude and weight. The ground run calibration must be determined assuming an engine failure at the minimum value of V1. (f) For commuter category airplanes, where duplicate airspeed indicators are required, their respective pitot tubes must be far enough apart to avoid damage to both tubes in a collision with a bird. I don't think the wording of that paragraph has changed at all in my recollection. But in any case, I've come to understand that "malfunction due to icing" is a non-quantified term. There is ice, then there is Ice and finally, there is ICE. If you check out the kind of ice a pitot tube is expected to shed in the icing tunnel, it gives pause to consider how the rest of the airplane might be holding up. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:19 AM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) What amazes me about Moller is his ability to con, er, convince others to invest *millions* in his (so far unsuccessful) ideas. david Eric M. Jones wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" > > I am going to collect a book about guys who are obsessed with a whacky idea. There's no shortage. Look at Paul Mollier. > > If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8 > > or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube" > > Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!) > > -------- > Eric M. Jones > www.PerihelionDesign.com > 113 Brentwood Drive > Southbridge, MA 01550 > (508) 764-2072 > emjones@charter.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329944#329944 > > > -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:55 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Good Morning Bob, I tend to disagree with the idea that having a heated pitot tube is not a good thing for airplanes that are not equipped for flight in known ice. As far as I know, all major airlines fly with pitot heat on at all times, not just in icing conditions. I have flown many airplanes where the pitot iced up as soon as any moisture was encountered. I have also flown airpla nes that had what were referred to as icing resistant pitot tubes. Personally , I want a good heated pitot tube on any airplane which is planned to be us ed for serious transportation. I turn on the heat any time there is any precipitation at all. Snow or rain. It makes no difference, I still want pitot heat. Ice is where you find it. There are lots of times when you really can't sa y for certain there will be ice, but you also cannot tell there won't be ice. Even the FAA has finally recognized that if we do not fly any time there is a cloud in the sky when the temperature is around freezing, we won't do much flying. I can't give a complete course on ice avoidance in a short message, but there are many conditions where a safe flight can be conducted in areas wh ere ice is a good possibility. We need to learn how to fly on the edge of such conditions and always keep a solid gold way out if icing conditions are encountered. If we are afraid to fly any time there might be ice, we will not get much utility out of our airplanes. On top of that, I know of no airplane that will handle being flown in continuous heavy icing conditions. The idea of deicing and anti icing equ ipment is to use that capability to get out of the icing conditions. Having "known ice" capability allows you to step a little closer to icing condit ions, but you still have to know when to give it up and get out of Dodge! The ones that make the news are those who stayed in ice when they should have gone elsewhere. Think Roselawn, Indiana, and Buffalo, New York. I can match hours and experience with any expert or instructor you have quoted about icing encounters, but I won't bore the list with details. Pitot heat is a GOOD thing to have. Putting ice repellent on a propellor is a GOOD thing to do. The most important thing about getting near ice is having a plan to get ou t of it. That is true whether you are flying an RV-4 or a Boeing 747. As in everything else we aviators do, knowledge is the key to making prope r decisions. Happy Skies, Old Bob Do Not Archive In a message dated 2/7/2011 7:29:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com writes: At 03:58 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote: Bob, Bob and Elbie Thanks for your comments =93 On this basis I=99ll save the wi re, switch and weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection. Its a legacy FAA thing but I don't think it was ever well explained to the neophyte flying community. JUST because you CAN shed some ice on a really useful instrument system shouldn't be taken as a suggestion that continued flight into recent discovered icing conditions is encouraged. But it was part of an FAA certification for flight into IMC. Here are relevant paragraphs out of Part 23: Sec. 23.1323 Airspeed indicating system. (a) Each airspeed indicating instrument must be calibrated to indicate true airspeed (at sea level with a standard atmosphere) with a minimum practicable instrument calibration error when the corresponding pitot and static pressures are applied. (b) Each airspeed system must be calibrated in flight to determine the system error. The system error, including position error, but excluding the airspeed indicator instrument calibration error, may not exceed three percent of the calibrated airspeed or five knots, whichever is greater, throughou t the following speed ranges: (1) 1.3 VS1 to VMO/MMO or VNE, whichever is appropriate with flaps retracted. (2) 1.3 VS1 to VFE with flaps extended. (c) The design and installation of each airspeed indicating system must provide positive drainage of moisture from the pitot static plumbing. (d) If certification for instrument flight rules or flight in icing conditions is requested, each airspeed system must have a heated pitot tu be or an equivalent means of preventing malfunction due to icing. (e) In addition, for commuter category airplanes, the airspeed indicating system must be calibrated to determine the system error during the accelerate-takeoff ground run. The ground run calibration must be obtaine d between 0.8 of the minimum value of V1, and 1.2 times the maximum value of V1 considering the approved ranges of altitude and weight. The ground run calibration must be determined assuming an engine failure at the minimum value of V1. (f) For commuter category airplanes, where duplicate airspeed indicators are required, their respective pitot tubes must be far enough apart to avoid damage to both tubes in a collision with a bird. I don't think the wording of that paragraph has changed at all in my recollection. But in any case, I've come to understand that "malfunction due to icing" is a non-quantified term. There is ice, then there is Ice and finally, there is ICE. If you check out the kind of ice a pitot tube is expected to shed in the icing tunnel, it gives pause to consider how the rest of the airplane might be holding up. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:12 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) >If you want to see another seductive but whacky idea check: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8 > >or Google "Japanese machine turns plastic to fuel youtube" > >Your job is to figure out why it is a terrible idea. (And it is!) The first question that comes to mind is how many Joules of energy are required to convert say 1 kg of plastic into any useable liquid and how much energy is available for re-use from the utilization of that liquid in other applications? I think Ethanol has a similar conversion efficiency problem. It takes more energy to produce a volume of ethanol than one gets back out of it when it's burned in an engine. So while the byproduct (ethanol) might be a desirable fuel from the emissions perspective, emissions from production of the fuel more than offset the gains. It's that old entropy thingy . . . along with our willingness or inability to consider the end-to-end economics. Then there's the unintended consequences. I understand that about 1/3 of our corn crops in the US are scheduled to be turned into fuel . . . when the price of food is going up faster than inflation. Gee, do you suppose there's some linkage here? I'm curious too about what's left in the distillation system for the plastic-to-oil conversion at the end of a batch. What are the residues and what disposal problems do they present? And what's the energy budet for further processing to turn the "oil" into a motor fuel that modern engines require or will tolerate? That's not to suggest that the plastic-to-oil conversion might not make sense in some situations. But it takes and end-to-end study of the big-picture economics. Suppose you could gather all the plastic trash for a nation in a few locations. What are the logistics and energy expenditures for such an effort? The table top demonstrator might be just fine for the energy savy home-owner to convert HIS trash into a more useful and less unsightly commodity . . . but in the final analysis I think it will prove to be a more expensive and more energy intensive way to dispose of one's trash. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:41 AM PST US From: "Lynn Riggs" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat My experience has been that you can ice up in a pitot tube without icing up the structure and if you do get into ice inadvertently the last thing you want to happen is loose your airspeed. I am adding the heated pitot tube. Lynn A. Riggs BH 656 Kit 22 http://www.vrbo.com/340549 http://www.vrbo.com/297684 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Mather Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, Bob and Elbie Thanks for your comments - On this basis I'll save the wire, switch and weight and just use the pitot unheated. Makes you wonder why so many of the production aircraft have heated pitots and no other ice protection. Best Regards Peter From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EMAproducts@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2011 21:56 Subject: AeroElectric-List: Pitot Heat Bob, as a 25000+ pilot and a CFI for nearly 50 years the advice you give below is the best info I've seen on any of the websites~~I tell people to turn our AOA system off if they are in icing, why have an instrument give you a bad indication~ I will never heat a vane unless the plane is approved for flight in icing conditions. Elbie Mendenhall EM aviation www.riteangle.com Any time you even THINK you've gathered some ice, the prudent action is to take immediate measures to get out . . . 180 turn, change altitude, etc. This (or a similar) philosophy for icing encounters should have you breathing easier in a much shorter period of time . . . and probably before the pitot tube ices over. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:43 AM PST US From: Ralph & Maria Finch Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) Hmm. I wonder if MidWestern pro-capitalist free-enterprise supporters are behind the enormous corn subsidies. At least they let Microsoft invent the Internet though... RF On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, Terry Watson wrote: > If they aren't pushing ethanol or wind power > fiascos, they are regulating other ideas into oblivion. > > Terry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) From: "Eric M. Jones" > What amazes me about Moller is his ability to con, er, convince others > to invest *millions* in his (so far unsuccessful) ideas. david The SEC smacked him down hard a couple years ago. Now he can't ask anybody for funds. http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm Bob, All good points. As nice as the idea seems, a review of what has to be done to relatively- healthy cooking oil to make it work well in an engine merely hints at what has to be done to plastic fuel. Plastic contains vicious stuff...poisons, acids, corrosives. Your engine or your lungs...I wonder which fails first? Just because it burns, doesn't mean you should burn it. You haven't seen smog until you use plastic for fuel. -------- Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge, MA 01550 (508) 764-2072 emjones@charter.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329962#329962 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:15 AM PST US From: "Terry Mortimore" Subject: AeroElectric-List: ANL height, help please. Hi Gang: I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty products to let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to order it, or it fell throught the cracks somehow. I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but not the base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish bending the copper bus bar to fit. Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the studs sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself, but I have that information. Thanks in advance, Terry. Terry Mortimore 426 McNabb Street Apt#4 Sault Ste Marie, Ontario P6B 1Z3 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:36 AM PST US From: "earl_schroeder@juno.com" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) Ralph and Terry, Speaking as a retired Midwestern 'farmer', I do not know who is 'behind' the 'enormous corn subsidies' but most of us who farm family type farms did NOT start the subsidies nor do we want them. However, you are forced to accept them to be competitive and stay in the business because the cost of equipment, fertilizer, seed, fuel, insurance etc all raise in unison with the 'subsidies'. (just an excuse to raise we think) The problem is those costs increase MORE than the 'payments' and never seem to go down. I could send you the facts and figures but this is not the proper venue... The RFD channel's program "This week in Agribusiness" is the only source in the media that gets the facts close to real life. (ch 231 on Dish Network and airs on the weekends) Earl Do Not Archive. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ralph & Maria Finch Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) Hmm. I wonder if MidWestern pro-capitalist free-enterprise supporters are behind the enormous corn subsidies. At least they let Microsoft invent the Internet though... RF On 2/6/2011 3:28 PM, Terry Watson wrote: > If they aren't pushing ethanol or wind power > fiascos, they are regulating other ideas into oblivion. > > Terry ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US From: RGent1224@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Solar Highways (off topic) In a message dated 2/7/2011 10:42:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, earl_schroeder@juno.com writes: The RFD channel's program "This week in Agribusiness" is the only source in the media that gets the facts close to real life. (ch 231 on Dish Network and airs on the weekends) Try 345 on directv ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US From: John Morgensen Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ANL height, help please. My base is NOT covered but it is 1/2" high plus the first nut which results in 7/16" from firewall to the "finger" on the ANL fuse. Hope this helps. john On 2/7/2011 7:25 AM, Terry Mortimore wrote: > > > > Hi Gang: > > I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system > installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty > products to let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to > order it, or it fell throught the cracks somehow. > > I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but > not the base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish > bending the copper bus bar to fit. > > Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the > studs sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself, > but I have that information. > > > Thanks in advance, Terry. > > > Terry Mortimore > 426 McNabb Street Apt#4 > Sault Ste Marie, Ontario > P6B 1Z3 > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:07 AM PST US From: TERRY MORTIMORE Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ANL height, help please. Hi John=2C thanks for the reply=2E A fellow on Vansairforce tells me that the covered bases are a little ta ller measuring 3/4=22=2E This will get me going=2C thanks again=2E Terry=2E ----- Original Message ----- From=3A John Morgensen =3Cjohn=40morgensen=2Ecom=3E Date=3A Monday=2C February 7=2C 2011 12=3A35 pm Subject=3A Re=3A AeroElectric-List=3A ANL height=2C help please=2E To=3A aeroelectric-list=40matronics=2Ecom =3E --=3E AeroElectric-List message posted by=3A John Morgensen =3E =3Cjohn=40morgensen=2Ecom=3E =3E My base is NOT covered but it is 1/2=22 high plus the first nut =3E which results in 7/16=22 from firewall to the =22finger=22 on the AN L =3E fuse=2E- Hope this helps=2E =3E john =3E On 2/7/2011 7=3A25 AM=2C Terry Mortimore wrote=3A =3E =3E--=3E AeroElectric-List message posted by=3A =22Terry Mortimore=22 =3E =3Cterry=2Emortimore=40shaw=2Eca=3E=3E =3E =3E =3E =3EHi Gang=3A =3E =3E =3E =3EI was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical =3E system installation=2E The one thing I was waiting for from B=26C =3E Specialty products to let me carry on was not shipped=2E Not sure =3E if I forgot to order it=2C or it fell throught the cracks somehow=2E =3E =3E =3E =3EI needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse=2C I recieved the fuse =3E but not the base=2E I need to know how high the base sits so I can =3E finish bending the copper bus bar to fit=2E =3E =3E =3E =3EDoes somebody out there know how high above the firewall =3E surface the studs sit=3F I would have to add the thickness of the =3E ANL fuse itself=2C but I have that information=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3EThanks in advance=2C Terry=2E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =3ETerry Mortimore =3E =3E426 McNabb Street Apt=234 =3E =3ESault Ste Marie=2C Ontario =3E =3EP6B 1Z3 =3E =3E =3E =3E =3E =5F-====================== ======================== ============= =3E =5F-=--------- - The =3E AeroElectric-List Email Forum - =3E =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =3E =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription=2C =3E =5F-= Archive Search =26 Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C =3E =5F-= Photoshare=2C and much much more=3A =3E =5F- =3E =5F-=-- --=3E =3E http=3A//www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/Navigator=3FAeroElectric-List =3E =5F- =3E =5F-====================== ======================== ============= =3E =5F- =3E =-------------- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =3E =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =3E =5F- =3E =5F-=-- --=3E http=3A//forums=2Ematronics=2Ecom =3E =5F- =3E =5F-====================== ======================== ============= =3E =5F- =3E =------------ - List Contribution Web Site - =3E =5F-=- Thank you for your generous support! =3E =5F- =3E =---------------------- ------- -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin=2E =3E =5F-=-- --=3E http=3A//www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/contribution =3E =5F-====================== ======================== ============= =3E =3E =3E =3E ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:08 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery box being demanded From: "RayStL" Help. I have a homebuilt CH701. A DOT Inspector (Canada) is trying to force me to retrofit a battery box on my sealed Power Sonic battery attached to the cockpit side of the firewall. I need to convince him it complies with an applicable aviation standard. I am having a hard time finding anything concrete out there. Any suggestions? Thanks. --ray -------- Ray St-Laurent 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330059#330059 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:44 PM PST US From: "Robert Taylor" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Battery box being demanded Would it be reasonable for you to ask the good inspector the applicable aviation standard to which you were in violation? This would save some time and would give him the opportunity to "disengage". Just askin'. Bob Taylor TigerCub N657RT -------------------------------------------------- From: "RayStL" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:41 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Battery box being demanded > > Help. I have a homebuilt CH701. A DOT Inspector (Canada) is trying to > force me to retrofit a battery box on my sealed Power Sonic battery > attached to the cockpit side of the firewall. I need to convince him it > complies with an applicable aviation standard. I am having a hard time > finding anything concrete out there. Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > --ray > > -------- > Ray St-Laurent > 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330059#330059 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:04 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ANL height, help please. At 10:25 AM 2/7/2011, you wrote: > > > >Hi Gang: > >I was hoping to make some progress this week on my electrical system >installation. The one thing I was waiting for from B&C Specialty >products to let me carry on was not shipped. Not sure if I forgot to >order it, or it fell throught the cracks somehow. > >I needed the ANL covered base and ANL fuse, I recieved the fuse but >not the base. I need to know how high the base sits so I can finish >bending the copper bus bar to fit. > >Does somebody out there know how high above the firewall surface the >studs sit? I would have to add the thickness of the ANL fuse itself, >but I have that information. I'm sure a call to B&C will get you a helpful person who will go measure one . . . assuming they are in stock. Looking at the Picture from the B&C website . . . Emacs! . . . and applying some simple ratio and proportion studies suggests that the overall height of this product is on the order of 1.75". Close enough for OBAM work? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:57 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Battery box being demanded From: "RayStL" Here are his words... "you have not provided specific "accepted aviation standard practices" references or documentationrequired to meet Canadian Aviation Regulation Standard 549.5(b). " I am not sure what the FAR equivalent is. --ray -------- Ray St-Laurent 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330101#330101 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.