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1. 06:26 AM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (Eric M. Jones)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (BobsV35B@aol.com)
3. 07:55 AM - remote cell phone switch (bob noffs)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: remote cell phone switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (John Morgensen)
7. 08:56 AM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (tim2542@sbcglobal.net)
8. 09:38 AM - Bread-board meets the brass board (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 11:00 AM - What's new in the AEC catalog (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 06:06 PM - Need help with wiring LR3C-14 regulator & LED Lo Volt Wn (plevyakh)
11. 10:26 PM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (roee)
12. 10:28 PM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (roee)
13. 10:33 PM - Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down (roee)
14. 10:34 PM - Re: Need help with wiring LR3C-14 regulator & LED Lo Volt Wn (rparigoris)
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
You can't get closer to the Military Industrial Complex than Eaton, and they publish
this bulletin:
http://www.ee-usa.com/ProductCatalogs/Eaton/eatonXT.pdf
You will notice that no Mil-standard is called out, but they lean heavily towards
"key down". Their ST switches are "key-down-off"
True, they offer plates in either orientation, but they offer switches only one
way...key-down-off. This also helps shed dirt-water, when you think about it.
The issue is settled: KEY-DOWN-OFF
Sorry, Bob.
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Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
Good Morning Eric,
Not quite so simple!
When I was making a new panel for our Piper Pacer, I wanted to make all
keyways the same so that I could do all the locking holes on the first
machining pass.
I was using a whole pacel full of Klixon 7274 circuit breakers and I wanted
the amperage listing to be right side up. That required that the keyway be
on top. I was able to wire the switches so they worked in that orientation
so all seemed well. Unfortunately, I needed to install a different design
circuit breaker, but it was made by the same manufacturer. Would you
believe that in order to have the amperage number right side up the keyway had
to
be down? On my most recent panel rebuild, I made all of the electrical
switch and circuit breakers so that the keyways could go either way. Doubled
the work of drilling locking pin holes, but it was consistent and easy to
change the orientation of the CBs when needed. There is NO standard! Not even
within one manufacturer's design department.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 3/1/2011 8:27:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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You can't get closer to the Military Industrial Complex than Eaton, and
they publish this bulletin:
http://www.ee-usa.com/ProductCatalogs/Eaton/eatonXT.pdf
You will notice that no Mil-standard is called out, but they lean heavily
towards "key down". Their ST switches are "key-down-off"
True, they offer plates in either orientation, but they offer switches
only one way...key-down-off. This also helps shed dirt-water, when you think
about it.
The issue is settled: KEY-DOWN-OFF
Sorry, Bob.
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Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones@charter.net
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Subject: | remote cell phone switch |
hi all,
one last blurb on this thing. remember i built from a kit for $15. this
will be used to preheat my engine and for now i am preheating my shop in the
hangar. my plane is built and is being reassembled for the last time. i use
a heating system with no motors to burn out or be stopped my a mouse nest. i
set the cell phone to stay lit for 3 minutes, not much chance of a wrong
number to be dialed again 3 minutes after the first. i also put a timer in
the line that powers the board so it would be turned off in the night if it
did happen to be turned on.
initially i did have problems with the cell phone lighting up and turning
the preheat off. one lighting will turn off the relay. the phone lights
every time power is resupplied thru the charger. it seems that when the
chaarger is in the cold [say 5-10 deg. f.] or less [lots less here in n.
wi.] it stops sending current completely and when more current is called for
it starts the flow and that turns on the cell light, turning off the relay
if it was on. so...........now the whole thing is in a styrofoam cooler
[very effecient, got it from the blood bank!] and a 4 watt night light keeps
the temp 50 deg. f. above outside air temp. a thermostat from a junked space
heater was wired into the line of the 4 watt bulb and now it is a constant
65 deg.in the cooler. no phone light ups now because of charger current
interruption... it is reliable.
fwiw........ down to 20 below i keep a cooler for food in the hangar at a
constant 40 deg. with a 15 watt bulb and an inline thermostat. gotta have
water for the coffee pot and soup for the microwave!
bob noffs
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
>I would take "keyway conventions" with a grain of salt!
It's been about 15 years since I did much writing
about switches but I think the context under which
keyways are oriented has become a bit muddled.
Most switches are symmetrical . . . they function
the same no matter which side the keyway faces.
Further, the right and left sides can be interchanged
with no observable differences in functionality.
When we began to study the application of progressive
transfer switches I published drawings with numbered
terminals to assist the neophyte technician in getting
wires on the right terminals the first time. I discovered
that the way Microswitch and Carling built their progressive
switches was not the same. I had to publish this piece to
make folks aware of the differences:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf
. . . right and left hand columns were functionally
swapped between the two brands. In later years,
I think Carling swapped their progressive transfer
switches to conform to what the mil-spec guys
were doing.
Microswitch had numbers molded into their switch
housings as did the other high-end suppliers. So
I adopted THEIR convention for speaking to terminal
' numbering versus functionality.
Once you venture out of the purely symmetrical
world by adding spring loading to one side (or
single pole switches with only two terminals)
then there is risk that the desired functionality
cannot be achieved with the keyway oriented any
particular direction.
This is one reason why I've always recommended
that keyway engagement washers (shipped on all
products offered by AEC and I think B&C) . . .
be used on the BACK side of the panel. This way,
the hole in the panel for the keyway engagement
washer can be under a switch labeling placard . . .
or be so shallow that it does not penetrate the
panel. This allows one to have them above, below
or even changed after initial installation
causes one to discover the need to change it.
Emacs!
Speaking of 'conventions' . . . you'll note
that the panel tab and keyway tabs are on
the same side of this locking ring. But
I've seen them on opposite sides too.
So the premise of this tread is correct, there
are no industry-wide "conventions" for marking,
functional orientation, or installation of
switches. There ARE standards . . . many of
them mil-specs that speak to widely adopted
configurations. But it's a free-market decision
by designers and manufacturers as to how
their particular product comes into the
marketplace. In the case of switches,
one would do well not to stray far from
what the majority of your competitors are
doing . . . a Croatian market street
vendor will find himself at a decided
disadvantage hawking wares in Swaheli.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: remote cell phone switch |
. . .now the whole thing is in a styrofoam cooler [very effecient,
got it from the blood bank!] and a 4 watt night light keeps the temp
50 deg. f. above outside air temp. a thermostat from a junked space
heater was wired into the line of the 4 watt bulb and now it is a
constant 65 deg.in the cooler. no phone light ups now because of
charger current interruption... it is reliable.
fwiw........ down to 20 below i keep a cooler for food in the
hangar at a constant 40 deg. with a 15 watt bulb and an inline
thermostat. gotta have water for the coffee pot and soup for the microwave!
Good show! Rube Goldberg would be proud of you!
Bottom line is that it works to design goals.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
I just cut anti-rotation tab holes top and bottom. They are covered by
the switch plates and no key orientation issues. FYI - The pull-able
breakers seemed to require key way up.
John
On 2/28/2011 5:01 PM, tim2542@sbcglobal.net wrote:
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> I just ran into this myself after having my panel cut out on a CNC machine with
all the antirotation tabs cut into the top of the hole. Now I guess I'll have
to replace all my 1-2 switches.
> Tim
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 2:32 PM, "roee"<roee@kalinskyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
Thanks John, I'm not using holes, I had the key cut into the switch hole, so that
won't work. But it's no big deal, I just need to use a different switch.
Tim
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:15 AM, John Morgensen <john@morgensen.com> wrote:
>
> I just cut anti-rotation tab holes top and bottom. They are covered by the switch
plates and no key orientation issues. FYI - The pull-able breakers seemed
to require key way up.
>
> John
>
> On 2/28/2011 5:01 PM, tim2542@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: tim2542@sbcglobal.net
>>
>> I just ran into this myself after having my panel cut out on a CNC machine with
all the antirotation tabs cut into the top of the hole. Now I guess I'll have
to replace all my 1-2 switches.
>> Tim
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 2:32 PM, "roee"<roee@kalinskyconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Bread-board meets the brass board |
Back when grandpa was a interested in working with
that 'radio' stuff, it was not uncommon for the DIY
electronics project to be built on a sheet of wood
with devices simple screwed down to the surface. If
one needed the occasional tie-point, a brass nail
driven into the wood could be a place where multiple
conductors could be soldered together at a mechanically
stable location. This was often referred to as 'bread
boarding'.
Modern practitioners of the ancient arts are still
making good use of grandpa's techniques . . .
Emacs!
In more recent years, the parts got smaller and the
circuits much more compact. As operating frequencies
rose, the need for a low-impedance ground emerged
and the prototyping moved off the 'breadboards'
onto what was euphemistically called a 'brass-board'.
The planar substrate became a sheet of copper clad
ECB material or other solderable material.
Several times a year, I find it necessary to refine
some combination of components for part of a design
or to fabricate a temporary test tool. The two
photos below . . .
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Development_Tools/BB_BB_top.jpg
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/Development_Tools/BB_BB_Bottom.jpg
illustrate a technique I've found useful to these tasks.
A small sheet of brass (or copper) is tacked to a piece
of wood . . . in this case a scrap of hard veneered
plywood. Hard terminals are machine screws counter-bored
in from the bottom. I've tried various glues for bonding
the brass to the wood . . . soldering temperatures tend
to break he bond. So shortest nails in the brad gun
serve to attach the brass to the wood. If too long, they
can be folded down on the back.
This is a fast, low cost, experimental substrate that
borrows from three generations of tinkerers.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | What's new in the AEC catalog |
While unpacking some more moving boxes (I'm 3 years into
a 5 year effort) I discovered some 3-pocket PIDG crimp tools
and some coax strippers. These are surplus to our current
business model and are listed on the catalog at attractive
prices to get them out of my shop (and perhaps into yours?)
I had a customer ask what it took to make the popular
20D Eclipse quad-crimp tool into a 22HD tool. After a making
a go/no-go depth jig and little fiddling on the lathe, I've
got a process for fabricating a 22HD pin positioners for
the Eclipse tool. That item too has been added to the
catalog.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Need help with wiring LR3C-14 regulator & LED Lo Volt |
Wn
Bob and fellow builders,
I need your help checking my use of an NK YB15 series pushbutton LED light with
the B&C LR3C-14 Alternator controller.
I've attached what I think is how the Lo Volt Warning light should be wired.
I'd like to use this style switch since one of my instruments is using this same
LED warning light. I'd like to keep the same style across my panel.
This LED light is NKK YB series part number YB15WSKW01-5C-JC-RO.
See: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NKK-Switches/YB15WSKW01-5C-JC-RO/?qs=Vo7e0yZOYdFthTQBhy2rSg%3d%3d
Can you please take a look at the schematic attached and confirm the wiring is
correct and that it should work fine with LR3C in place of the Midget Flanged
bulb?
Thanks,
Howard (working thru my page per system schematics)
--------
Howard Plevyak
GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
Bob's reply somehow ended up in a separate duplicate thread, so I'm re-posting
it here:
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
>
> > I would take "keyway conventions" with a grain of salt!
>
> It's been about 15 years since I did much writing
> about switches but I think the context under which
> keyways are oriented has become a bit muddled.
>
> Most switches are symmetrical . . . they function
> the same no matter which side the keyway faces.
> Further, the right and left sides can be interchanged
> with no observable differences in functionality.
>
> When we began to study the application of progressive
> transfer switches I published drawings with numbered
> terminals to assist the neophyte technician in getting
> wires on the right terminals the first time. I discovered
> that the way Microswitch and Carling built their progressive
> switches was not the same. I had to publish this piece to
> make folks aware of the differences:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf (http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf)
>
> . . . right and left hand columns were functionally
> swapped between the two brands. In later years,
> I think Carling swapped their progressive transfer
> switches to conform to what the mil-spec guys
> were doing.
>
> Microswitch had numbers molded into their switch
> housings as did the other high-end suppliers. So
> I adopted THEIR convention for speaking to terminal
> ' numbering versus functionality.
>
> Once you venture out of the purely symmetrical
> world by adding spring loading to one side (or
> single pole switches with only two terminals)
> then there is risk that the desired functionality
> cannot be achieved with the keyway oriented any
> particular direction.
>
> This is one reason why I've always recommended
> that keyway engagement washers (shipped on all
> products offered by AEC and I think B&C) . . .
> be used on the BACK side of the panel. This way,
> the hole in the panel for the keyway engagement
> washer can be under a switch labeling placard . . .
> or be so shallow that it does not penetrate the
> panel. This allows one to have them above, below
> or even changed after initial installation
> causes one to discover the need to change it.
>
> [img]cid:.0[/img]
>
> Speaking of 'conventions' . . . you'll note
> that the panel tab and keyway tabs are on
> the same side of this locking ring. But
> I've seen them on opposite sides too.
>
> So the premise of this tread is correct, there
> are no industry-wide "conventions" for marking,
> functional orientation, or installation of
> switches. There ARE standards . . . many of
> them mil-specs that speak to widely adopted
> configurations. But it's a free-market decision
> by designers and manufacturers as to how
> their particular product comes into the
> marketplace. In the case of switches,
> one would do well not to stray far from
> what the majority of your competitors are
> doing . . . a Croatian market street
> vendor will find himself at a decided
> disadvantage hawking wares in Swaheli.
>
> Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
Thanks Bob et al for the responses. I figured that would probably be the case
-- the keyway up recommendation in the AEC being for some historical reasons and
nothing more. Glad to have that confirmed. So for my panel I think I will
go with keyway down for switches, as that does seem to be the more common convention
in the mil specs and industry-wide.
Just a couple of general comments on other points raised in the responses:
In cases where the choice is technically arbitrary, I do think that there's value
in following standard conventions in that it helps minimize possible confusion
during assembly and future maintenance. All things being equal, where an
industry-wide convention exists, whether formal or informal / de facto (e.g. keyway
down, I think we've now established), then that would be the default first
choice. Barring that, defining and adhering to a convention for the design
(e.g. either all keyway down or all keyway up for the entire aircraft) would
be the next best thing. And finally, having a mix-and-match hodge-podge throughout
would be the least desirable, though granted, occasional well-justified
exceptions to a convention may still exist.
It also behooves us, when possible, to select components during the design phase
that adhere to industry standards and conventions. Doing this maximizes our
ability to source spare parts in the future, including drop-in compatible products
from alternate sources. And for that reason, as has been pointed out, it
also behooves manufacturers to design their products in adherence to such standards
and conventions, as they make them more appealing to us in our component
selection. We've seen that not all switch (and CB) manufacturers and product
lines meet that criteria, and I would factor that into my component selection
process.
Thanks again,
-Roee
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Subject: | Re: Toggle switch keyway convention: up vs. down |
This appears to be a duplicate thread, the above posting being a response to this original thread: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=79809
The message above has been re-posted to the original thread, and additional subsequent
messages have been posted there.
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Subject: | Re: Need help with wiring LR3C-14 regulator & LED Lo |
Volt Wn
Hi Howard
I too have a LR3c on my Rotax 914 Europa that I chose to use a LED for low voltage
warning.
For starters, follow Bobs advise using this layout to prevent LED from glowing
when there is high enough voltage:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=79802
Another problem is will you be able to get information you desire from your LED
during daylight operations with sunlight shining down on your LED? You may be
disappointed. The stupid simple lamp as supplied by B+C works pretty good in
sunlight. I fooled with an awful lot of LEDs. Many don't work well in sunlight.
I purchased some pretty nice sunlight visible LEDs panel mount black bezel LEDs
from allied and was at best disappointed. I ended up after several other disappointments
mutilating the bezel mount LED and installing LEDs purchased from
Best Hong Kong which gave acceptable performance.
You can have a look at page 2:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27305&g2_page=2
and page 3:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27305&g2_page=3
For all the LEDs I have fooled with, Pep boys are kinda nice, plenty bright and
especial long with small flange. You best purchase a better quality resistor
and solder it better than they do however. Also have a look at their Quad LEDs:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=78683
and wide angle LEDs:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=78681
Have fun
Ron Parigoris
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the List.
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5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
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could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
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to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aeroelectric-list
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the AeroElectric-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* AeroElectric-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the AeroElectric-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the AeroElectric-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the AeroElectric-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?AeroElectric
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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Subject: | Official AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
AeroElectric-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/AeroElectric-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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AeroElectric-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the AeroElectric-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the AeroElectric-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
AeroElectric-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the AeroElectric-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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