---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/20/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:46 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Jim Wickert) 2. 07:59 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (b d) 3. 08:10 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Henador Titzoff) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (Jim Wickert) 5. 10:11 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Richard Girard) 6. 10:43 AM - Re: AEC9009 Audio Iso Amp Wiring, especially Shielded Wires (Jared Yates) 7. 01:08 PM - Lightening up Z12 (rvg8tor) 8. 03:42 PM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (David) 9. 03:44 PM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (David) 10. 04:29 PM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (Terry Watson) 11. 05:57 PM - Re: Lightening up Z12 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 12. 06:27 PM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Richard Girard) 13. 06:55 PM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (rayj) 14. 08:22 PM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (jerb) 15. 09:25 PM - E-Bus Diode Question (jvolkober) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:14 AM PST US From: "Jim Wickert" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, Vista, W7, 2D/3D ... $9.95 http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html Jim Wickert Tel 920-467-0219 Cell 920-912-1014 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerald Folkerts Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Rick, I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo Cad 15 version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and it's Windows 7 compatible. I haven't done much with it yet, but it did install and I moved a few lines around etc. Jerry Folkerts SR2500 #093 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of b d Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I don't know but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . .hence win 7 and Vista maybe? I'm only guessing . . . shooting in the dark . . .aiming for Bill Gates but still missing . . .how much was TC 10? Bruce On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard wrote: Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it and got it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on anything later than Windows XP. I've spent about two hours trying to find a compatibility mode that will let it run on my Windows Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of a patch? Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 From: b d Thanks Jim . . . .Bruce On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:33 AM, Jim Wickert wrote : > Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, Vista, W7, > 2D/3D =85=85. $9.95 http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html > > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerald > Folkerts > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM > > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > > Rick, > > I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo Cad 15 > version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and it=92s Windows 7 compatib le. > I haven=92t done much with it yet, but it did install and I moved a few l ines > around etc. > > Jerry Folkerts > > SR2500 #093 > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *b d > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > > Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I don't kno w > but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . .hence win 7 and Vist a > maybe? I'm only guessing . . . shooting in the dark . . .aiming for Bill > Gates but still missing . . .how much was TC 10? > > > Bruce > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard > wrote: > > Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it and got > it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on anything later th an > Windows XP. I've spent about two hours trying to find a compatibility mod e > that will let it run on my Windows Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of > a patch? > > > Rick Girard > > -- > > Zulu Delta > > Mk IIIC > > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp y. > - Groucho Marx > > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-L ist* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:29 AM PST US From: Henador Titzoff Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Jim,=0A=0ATurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload mor e. =C2-What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? =C2 -The price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software these days.=0A=0AIf it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! =0A=C2-=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom : Jim Wickert =0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:33 AM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-Lis t: TurboCAD 10=0A=0A=0AGo to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, Vista, W7, 2D/3D . $9.95=C2-=C2- http://stor e.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html=0A=C2-=0AJim Wickert=0ATel 920-467-0219=0ACel l 920-912-1014=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerald Folkerts=0ASent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@ma tronics.com=0ASubject: RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10=0A=C2-=0ARick, =0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo Cad 15 version.=C2- Was only 12.95 including shipping and it=99s Windows 7 compatible.=C2- I haven=99t done much with it yet, but it did inst all and I moved a few lines around etc.=0AJerry Folkerts=0ASR2500 #093=0A =C2-=0AFrom:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-ae roelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of b d=0ASent: Tuesday, Apr il 19, 2011 5:01 PM=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Ae roElectric-List: TurboCAD 10=0A=C2-=0ARick . . . are you running into tha t 32/64 bit delema thing?=C2- I don't know but I know some 32 bit program s won't run on 64 . . .hence win 7 and Vista maybe? I'm only guessing . . . =C2-shooting in the dark . . .aiming for Bill Gates but still missing . . .how much was TC 10?=C2-=C2-=0A=C2-=0ABruce=0AOn Tue, Apr 19, 2011 a t 2:00 PM, Richard Girard wrote:=0ARecently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it and got it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on anything later than Windows XP. I've s pent about two hours trying to find a compatibility mode that will let it r un on my Windows Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of a patch? =0A=C2 -=0ARick Girard=0A=0A-- =0AZulu Delta=0AMk IIIC=0AThanks, Homer GBYM=0A =C2-=0AIt isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.=0A=C2- - Groucho Marx=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Aist " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List=0A ttp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?AeroElectric-List=0A=C2-=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=C2- =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2 -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List=0Ahttp://forums. ============= ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:35 AM PST US From: "Jim Wickert" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 Henador My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the cost of $9.95 I don=99t believe you can=99t lose. Take Care happy designing. Jim Wickert Tel 920-467-0219 Cell 920-912-1014 From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henador Titzoff Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Jim, TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more. What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software these days. If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! Henador Titzoff _____ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 From: Richard Girard Thanks guys, I found a good price on the latest version (17) and ordered it .. I use CAD a lot so the slight extra is worth it. Rick Girard On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim Wickert wrote : > Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, Vista, W7, > 2D/3D =85=85. $9.95 http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html > > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerald > Folkerts > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > > Rick, > > I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo Cad 15 > version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and it=92s Windows 7 compatib le. > I haven=92t done much with it yet, but it did install and I moved a few l ines > around etc. > > Jerry Folkerts > > SR2500 #093 > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *b d > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > > Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I don't kno w > but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . .hence win 7 and Vist a > maybe? I'm only guessing . . . shooting in the dark . . .aiming for Bill > Gates but still missing . . .how much was TC 10? > > > Bruce > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard > wrote: > > Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it and got > it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on anything later th an > Windows XP. I've spent about two hours trying to find a compatibility mod e > that will let it run on my Windows Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of > a patch? > > > Rick Girard > > -- > > Zulu Delta > > Mk IIIC > > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp y. > - Groucho Marx > > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-L ist* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: AEC9009 Audio Iso Amp Wiring, especially Shielded Wires From: Jared Yates Does anyone know of any guidance about how to use shielded wires in audio systems? On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jared Yates wrote: > AEC questions > > I'm wiring the AEC 9009 Audio Iso Amp and want to be sure that I'm doing it > correctly. I don't understand entirely about how and when wires need to be > shielded in this case. I have a single Nav/Com (GNS430), a Flightcom 403 > stereo intercom, a pilot position with a push-to-talk, a co-pilot position > with a push-to-talk, and two back seat passengers. Inputs to the 9009 are > the Dynon warning tones from the HS34, the 430 Nav audio, and a stereo ipod > jack. > > Here's my wiring plan so far: > 1. Connect the dynon HS34 tone output with a single-wire shielded cable at > the 9009's pin 4(center conductor) and 10(sheild), leaving the Dynon's end > of the shielded cable not connected to anything. > > 2. Use another single-wire shielded cable to connect the 430 Nav Audio Hi > output to the 9009's pin 2(center conductor) and the Nav Audio Lo to the > 9009 pin 11(shield). Is this correct, or do I need two conductors and a > shield, with the shield wired as per 1 (connected at 9009, clipped at the > other end)? > > 3. Connect a 3.5mm stereo jack to the 9009 with a 2-wire shielded cable: > one conductor from the jack to 9009 pin 1, one conductor from the jack to > 9009 pin 5, and the shield from the 3.5mm jack's ground to pin 12 on the > 9009 (and the jack isolated from the airframe ground). Same question as > number 2- Is this correct? Do I instead need to run a 3-wire shielded > cable, with the third conductor connected to the jack's ground, and the > shield wired as in number 1 above? > > 4. Run the left and right outputs of the 9009 (pins 7 and 6) to the > flightcom's aux input channels. What about shields here? Should I run a > single cable with two wires, or does each conductor need to be in its own > shield? > > 5. Run the power to pin 8 on the 9009 with a 22AWG wire that is crimped in > the same faston terminal as the intercom's power line so that they share a > 1A fuse. > > 6. Wire the rest of the audio system (pilot, copilot, pax mic/phone jacks) > per the flightcom directions, using 3-wire shielded cable with the jacks > isolated from the airframe. What do I need to do with the shields? > > The Flightcom manual says that it has fail safe wiring that connects the > pilot jacks to the radio if the intercom loses power, so I was planning to > skip the fail-safe jacks described in the AEC9009 literature. Is there any > other reason why I would want to include them? I can think of two cases > where they would be useful. First, as described in the flightcom manual, if > the intercom were to become inop and I removed it to send it away, I could > still fly the airplane with a single functioning headset by using the > directly wired jacks. If I omit the direct jacks, then this feature would > not be available. Second, if the intercom failsafe system were to fail and > the intercom were to both fail at the same time, I would be unable to use > the 430's Com and would have to resort to the backup handheld and its > headset adapter cord. Both of these circumstances seem pretty unlikely, and > I think I'm willing to live without a solution for them. Are there any > other good reasons to have the failsafe jacks that I might be forgetting > about? > > My plan is to keep the 430 com functions out of the 9009 completely, since > the intercom has channels for xmit and receive audio. This will keep the > AEC out of the equation, and if it becomes inop then VHF communications will > not be effected. Is there any reason why I shouldn't do it this way? > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:14 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Lightening up Z12 From: "rvg8tor" I am going to ask this question a different way. In Z12 there are 2 alternators, on plays a standby roll and will only produce power when the main alternator goes out or is turned off. Given that only one alternator operates at a time only one ammeter would be needed to monitor the electrical load coming from the alternator providing the power. This reduces parts count; takes out a shunt and switch required to look at two shunts with on meter and or removes extra ammeter. So does anyone see any flaws in this logic? Cheers -------- Mike "Nemo" Elliott RV-8A QB (Fuselage) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337618#337618 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:23 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Well, please tell us how much and where you found it! David Richard Girard wrote: > Thanks guys, I found a good price on the latest version (17) and > ordered it. I use CAD a lot so the slight extra is worth it. > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim Wickert > wrote: > > Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, > Vista, W7, 2D/3D . $9.95 http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf > Of *Jerald Folkerts > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Rick, > > I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo > Cad 15 version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and its > Windows 7 compatible. I havent done much with it yet, but it did > install and I moved a few lines around etc. > > Jerry Folkerts > > SR2500 #093 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf > Of *b d > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I > don't know but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . > .hence win 7 and Vista maybe? I'm only guessing . . . shooting in > the dark . . .aiming for Bill Gates but still missing . . .how > much was TC 10? > > Bruce > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard > > wrote: > > Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it > and got it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on > anything later than Windows XP. I've spent about two hours trying > to find a compatibility mode that will let it run on my Windows > Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of a patch? > > Rick Girard > > -- > > Zulu Delta > > Mk IIIC > > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be > unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > * * > > * * > > *ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com * > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be > unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > > * -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:55 PM PST US From: David Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 Does it not handle 3d well? David Jim Wickert wrote: > > Henador > > My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house > that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out > some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic > 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the > time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the > cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose. > > Take Care happy designing. > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Henador Titzoff > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Jim, > > TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more. > What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The > price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software > these days. > > If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to > be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! > > Henador Titzoff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > > * -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:39 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 The recent version of AutoCAD (2010) that I am been using handles 3D very well, but it costs about $4,000. I have been using AutoCAD since about 1985 for architectural (building) work, but I virtually never use the 3D functions because I have other much cheaper software that does what I need to do in 3D much easier. The current trend in CAD software seems to be towards specific applications. There are version of CAD software for architectural design, civil engineering, structural engineering, and of course mechanical and electrical engineering applications. AutoCAD has a sister program called Revit for architecture with versions for building structural and mechanical applications which is in a class called BIM, or Building Information Modeling software. The difference from CAD is that BIM software has an "awareness" of what it is drawing and creates a building model by assembling materials and components. My favorite for 3D work is Google Sketchup, which is available FREE from their website. Just Google it and you can download it. I use a more expensive pro version, but almost everything that I do in it could be done with the free version. But I doubt very much if you would find Sketchup helpful for doing something like a wiring diagram. Terry Seattle -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 Does it not handle 3d well? David Jim Wickert wrote: > > Henador > > My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house > that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out > some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic > 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the > time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the > cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose. > > Take Care happy designing. > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Henador Titzoff > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Jim, > > TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more. > What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The > price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software > these days. > > If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to > be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! > > Henador Titzoff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > > * -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lightening up Z12 At 03:59 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote: > >I am going to ask this question a different way. In Z12 there are 2 >alternators, on plays a standby roll and will only produce power >when the main alternator goes out or is turned off. Given that only >one alternator operates at a time only one ammeter would be needed >to monitor the electrical load coming from the alternator providing >the power. > >This reduces parts count; takes out a shunt and switch required to >look at two shunts with on meter and or removes extra ammeter. > >So does anyone see any flaws in this logic? That will work Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 From: Richard Girard David, Version 17 was $60 with tax and shipping from Micro Center Online. Rick On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:22 PM, David wrote: > > Well, please tell us how much and where you found it! > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: > >> Thanks guys, I found a good price on the latest version (17) and ordered >> it. I use CAD a lot so the slight extra is worth it. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim Wickert > jimw_btg@earthlink.net>> wrote: >> >> Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, >> Vista, W7, 2D/3D =85=85. $9.95 http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html >> >> Jim Wickert >> >> Tel 920-467-0219 >> >> Cell 920-912-1014 >> >> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> ] *On Behalf >> Of *Jerald Folkerts >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 >> >> Rick, >> >> I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo >> Cad 15 version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and it=92s >> Windows 7 compatible. I haven=92t done much with it yet, but it did >> install and I moved a few lines around etc. >> >> Jerry Folkerts >> >> SR2500 #093 >> >> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> ] *On Behalf >> Of *b d >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 >> >> Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I >> don't know but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . >> .hence win 7 and Vista maybe? I'm only guessing . . . shooting in >> the dark . . .aiming for Bill Gates but still missing . . .how >> much was TC 10? >> >> Bruce >> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard >> > wrote: >> >> Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I ordered it >> and got it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on >> anything later than Windows XP. I've spent about two hours trying >> to find a compatibility mode that will let it run on my Windows >> Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of a patch? >> >> Rick Girard >> >> -- >> Zulu Delta >> >> Mk IIIC >> >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be >> unhappy. >> - Groucho Marx >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> *ist" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* >> >> *ttp://forums.matronics.com * >> >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* >> >> * * >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> * * >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> ist" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zulu Delta >> Mk IIIC >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be >> unhappy. >> - Groucho Marx >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > -- > If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and > get rid of Soros. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:33 PM PST US From: rayj Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 I'm a little off topic here but since you were talking CAD I thought I ask if anyone knows of a cheap solid modeling cad program. I would prefer to run it on Linux but will run it on Windows if I have to. I've been playing with BRL CAD but I'm hoping to find something easier to learn quickly. Thanks for any help. do not archive Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "And you know that I could have me a million more friends, and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine On 04/20/2011 08:22 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > David, Version 17 was $60 with tax and shipping from Micro Center Online. > > Rick > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:22 PM, David > wrote: > > > > > Well, please tell us how much and where you found it! > > David > > > Richard Girard wrote: > > Thanks guys, I found a good price on the latest version (17) and > ordered it. I use CAD a lot so the slight extra is worth it. > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim Wickert > > >> > wrote: > > Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will run all XP, > Vista, W7, 2D/3D . $9.95 > http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.html > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > >] *On Behalf > Of *Jerald Folkerts > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:42 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > > *Subject:* RE: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Rick, > > I went to the same page, but purchased the Turbo > Cad 15 version. Was only 12.95 including shipping and its > Windows 7 compatible. I havent done much with it yet, but > it did > install and I moved a few lines around etc. > > Jerry Folkerts > > SR2500 #093 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > >] *On Behalf > Of *b d > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:01 PM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > > > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Rick . . . are you running into that 32/64 bit delema thing? I > don't know but I know some 32 bit programs won't run on 64 . . > .hence win 7 and Vista maybe? I'm only guessing . . . > shooting in > the dark . . .aiming for Bill Gates but still missing . . .how > much was TC 10? > > Bruce > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Richard Girard > > >> wrote: > > Recently there was a post about cheap TC version 10. I > ordered it > and got it yesterday. This version of the software won't run on > anything later than Windows XP. I've spent about two hours > trying > to find a compatibility mode that will let it run on my Windows > Vista Lap top to no avail. Anyone know of a patch? > > Rick Girard > > -- > Zulu Delta > > Mk IIIC > > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order > to be > unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > * * > > * * > > *ist" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com > * > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > ist" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to > be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > > * > > > -- > If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, > and get rid of Soros. > > > ========== > -List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:35 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 Been going to get me a cheap cad package, this topic pushed the button. Been reading about a few referenced in a couple different issues in Kit Planes. Went to the site of the link of the message below - snagged me a copy of the TurboCad 15 - its 2D3D for 9.95. They do have TurboCad 17, available in 3 different levels starting at 39.95 up to 989.99. I'm not a big cad user so I figured the TurboCad 15 would do all I need. The description for the release 17 packages mention it has professional-level drafting tools, not sure if these are included in release 15. Also picked up a couple FloorPlan /Architect packages. By the way PurPlus takes PayPal and it appears any order over $20 has free shipping, just how long it takes to get to ya. jerb At 10:06 AM 4/20/2011, you wrote: >Thanks guys, I found a good price on the latest >version (17) and ordered it. I use CAD a lot so the slight extra is worth it. > >Rick Girard > >On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim Wickert ><jimw_btg@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Go to this site they have TurboCad 15 which will >run all XP, Vista, W7, 2D/3D =85=85. >$9.95 >http://store.purplus.net/tu15de2d.h tml > > >Jim Wickert >snip.... ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:54 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question From: "jvolkober" I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C. 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