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Thu 04/21/11


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 08:43 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     2. 09:26 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (B Tomm)
     3. 09:34 AM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (Jim Wickert)
     4. 09:34 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Etienne Phillips)
     5. 09:39 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Paul McAllister)
     6. 10:00 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Jay Hyde)
     7. 10:38 AM - Mate-N-Lok crimp tool (James Kilford)
     8. 11:04 AM - Re: Mate-N-Lok crimp tool (Jared Yates)
     9. 11:06 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    10. 11:44 AM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (David)
    11. 11:51 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (John Ciolino)
    12. 01:38 PM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (jvolkober)
    13. 05:19 PM - Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (John Loram)
    14. 08:24 PM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (Jim Wickert)
    15. 10:40 PM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (b d)
    16. 10:56 PM - Flap System trouble shoot (jonlaury)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:43:58 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: E-Bus Diode Question
    At 12:22 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote: > >I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the >main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone >advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears >correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C. > Is this with the alternator running? Sounds like you're running battery only. So yes, the voltages you're citing are expected. The only time the normal feedpath diode is in service is when the alternator is running. This gives you a main bus voltage on the order of 14.2 to 14.8 volts. The e-bus runs at 13.4 to 14.0. When you're running the e-bus battery only, the diode is out of the loop and the e-bus runs 12.4 down to end of life on the battery . . . about 10.5 volts. Bob . . .


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    Time: 09:26:36 AM PST US
    From: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
    Subject: E-Bus Diode Question
    John, I haven't powered up my B+C E-Buss diode yet but from what I know about diodes, your measurement is pretty close. The drop may be as low as 0.6 from what I have read here and in the aerolectric connection. Bevan -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question --> <jvolkober@comcast.net> I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337671#337671


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    Time: 09:34:09 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Wickert" <jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: TurboCAD 15
    David and all, The question what are you going to do with 3D.... 3D modeling it works great, 3D interference analysis it works, 3D stress analysis it take an understanding of statics and stress pattern analysis to make it work....3d solids and layering it works good, for drag and drop rendering...3D hidden-line rendering with objects clipped behind cameras great, flexible camera views in 3D with realistic lighting position enhancement great, floating and shaped viewpoints 3D changing them on the fly it great, Auto associative dimension in 3D, comprehensive set of 2D/3D drag n drop symbols with Boolean operations that allow intersect, subtract, and slice of objects great, dynamic rotations and walk-troughs great...single-click 3D floating palettes etc etc. As I said most people do not know what they want to do with 3D...for all intent and purpose on this group the TurboCad 15 will be 200% of what they intend to do. Remember you have PCB design and electrical circuit design as well something you will need to document you work....all for $9.95 ya think??? Yes ver. 17 has more features but for Exp plane building? If you are using it for your work and or business yes the Ver. 17 is a great choice for the cost. Hands down. For reality sake when you have $38,000 a seat invested in Pro-E.... yes a seat ten of them (hardware and software) and $300,000 in Server hardware and software you really get embarrassed..... but then TurboCad as others were not the product they are today. And simulated testing is not there in TurboCad today either. Believe me there is more horse power than you will ever dream to use. Couple this with XPlane and your life will be occupied for ever. We also have one of the new photo quality vinyl ink wide bed printers $21,000.00 now we really can get into discussions....but is really better to fly the plane we are building than look at it in simulated suspension of wide screen high def printed form. It all about what we really want to do. Happy building. Jim Wickert Tel 920-467-0219 Cell 920-912-1014 -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 Does it not handle 3d well? David Jim Wickert wrote: > > Henador > > My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house > that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out > some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic > 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the > time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the > cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose. > > Take Care happy designing. > > Jim Wickert > > Tel 920-467-0219 > > Cell 920-912-1014 > > *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Henador Titzoff > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM > *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 > > Jim, > > TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more. > What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The > price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software > these days. > > If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to > be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! > > Henador Titzoff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > > * -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros.


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    Time: 09:34:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: TurboCAD 10
    From: Etienne Phillips <etienne.phillips@gmail.com>
    Hi Ray If you can get your head around BRL, then I'm sure you'll manage with freeCAD. I failed with both! http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ Good luck! Etienne On 21 Apr 2011, at 3:52 AM, rayj wrote: > > I'm a little off topic here but since you were talking CAD I thought I ask if anyone knows of a cheap solid modeling cad program. I would prefer to run it on Linux but will run it on Windows if I have to. > > I've been playing with BRL CAD but I'm hoping to find something easier to learn quickly. > > Thanks for any help. > > do not archive > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "And you know that I could have me a million more friends, > and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine


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    Time: 09:39:49 AM PST US
    From: Paul McAllister <l_luv2_fly@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: TurboCAD 10
    Hi Julian, Although it does not address your Linux requirement Google SketchUp is an interesting product. There is a free and a paid version, but what I like the most is the large number of online tutorials that are available. It can be found at http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/index.html Regards, Paul do not archive ________________________________ I'm a little off topic here but since you were talking CAD I thought I ask if anyone knows of a cheap solid modeling cad program. I would prefer to run it on Linux but will run it on Windows if I have to. I've been playing with BRL CAD but I'm hoping to find something easier to learn quickly. Thanks for any help. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN


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    Time: 10:00:23 AM PST US
    From: "Jay Hyde" <jay@horriblehyde.com>
    Subject: E-Bus Diode Question
    Voltage drop across a diode is perfectly normal and expected. Be careful about what is supplied by the E-Bus though- for example, if you are supplying power to an EFIS that has a backup battery charging from the EFIS then that battery will not charge as the voltage is too low. You can minimise the voltage drop by using a Schottkey diode, which will bring the voltage drop down to around 0.6V. Jay -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober Sent: 21 April 2011 06:22 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337671#337671


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    Time: 10:38:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Mate-N-Lok crimp tool
    From: James Kilford <james@etravel.org>
    Gents, Do any of you happen to know of a reasonably priced crimp tool for the above? I've not been able to find a tool that isn't going to break the bank. I could crimp them by hand I suppose -- any tips on this would be appreciated. Many thanks in anticipation. James -- Jodel D-150 build in progress: 90% done... :-)


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    Time: 11:04:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mate-N-Lok crimp tool
    From: Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com>
    I got mine from Stein and it works very well. Steinair.com On Apr 21, 2011, at 13:32, James Kilford <james@etravel.org> wrote: > Gents, > > Do any of you happen to know of a reasonably priced crimp tool for the abo ve? I've not been able to find a tool that isn't going to break the bank. > > I could crimp them by hand I suppose -- any tips on this would be apprecia ted. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > James > > -- > Jodel D-150 build in progress: 90% done... :-) > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 11:06:23 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: E-Bus Diode Question
    At 04:05 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote: > >Voltage drop across a diode is perfectly normal and expected. Be careful >about what is supplied by the E-Bus though- for example, if you are >supplying power to an EFIS that has a backup battery charging from the EFIS >then that battery will not charge as the voltage is too low. Excellent point to ponder. Any devices powered from the e-bus that contain rechargeable back-up batteries should evaluated for MINIMUM supply voltage to support the backup battery. Check manufacturer's installation data for this information. At the same time, don't loose track of the notion that e-busses are configured and managed so that back-up batteries are not necessary. Bob . . .


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    Time: 11:44:06 AM PST US
    From: David <ainut@knology.net>
    Subject: Re: TurboCAD 15
    One of my applications is creating brackets to help finish my plane. Once it's in, then we can use a 3d printer to make a plastic prototype to see if it works. Then, I can send off to get the real metal piece made. Another is to help with my electrical design of the plane. David Jim Wickert wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Wickert"<jimw_btg@earthlink.net> > > David and all, > The question what are you going to do with 3D.... 3D modeling it works great, 3D interference analysis it works, 3D stress analysis it take an understanding of statics and stress pattern analysis to make it work....3d solids and layering it works good, for drag and drop rendering...3D hidden-line rendering with objects clipped behind cameras great, flexible camera views in 3D with realistic lighting position enhancement great, floating and shaped viewpoints 3D changing them on the fly it great, Auto associative dimension in 3D, comprehensive set of 2D/3D drag n drop symbols with Boolean operations that allow intersect, subtract, and slice of objects great, dynamic rotations and walk-troughs great...single-click 3D floating palettes etc etc. As I said most people do not know what they want to do with 3D...for all intent and purpose on this group the TurboCad 15 will be 200% of what they intend to do. Remember you have PCB design and electrical circuit design as well someth! > ing you will need to document you work....all for $9.95 ya think??? Yes ver. 17 has more features but for Exp plane building? If you are using it for your work and or business yes the Ver. 17 is a great choice for the cost. Hands down. > > For reality sake when you have $38,000 a seat invested in Pro-E.... yes a seat ten of them (hardware and software) and $300,000 in Server hardware and software you really get embarrassed..... but then TurboCad as others were not the product they are today. And simulated testing is not there in TurboCad today either. Believe me there is more horse power than you will ever dream to use. Couple this with XPlane and your life will be occupied for ever. We also have one of the new photo quality vinyl ink wide bed printers $21,000.00 now we really can get into discussions....but is really better to fly the plane we are building than look at it in simulated suspension of wide screen high def printed form. It all about what we really want to do. Happy building. > > Jim Wickert > Tel 920-467-0219 > Cell 920-912-1014 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:27 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15 > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: David<ainut@knology.net> > > Does it not handle 3d well? > > David > > > Jim Wickert wrote: > >> Henador >> >> My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house >> that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out >> some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic >> 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the >> time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the >> cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose. >> >> Take Care happy designing. >> >> Jim Wickert >> >> Tel 920-467-0219 >> >> Cell 920-912-1014 >> >> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Henador Titzoff >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM >> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10 >> >> Jim, >> >> TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more. >> What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The >> price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software >> these days. >> >> If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to >> be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time! >> >> Henador Titzoff >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> * >> >> >> * >> > -- If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Soros.


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    Time: 11:51:38 AM PST US
    From: "John Ciolino" <johnciolino@comcast.net>
    Subject: E-Bus Diode Question
    I have the same drop. But I also have the same question: is this normal? Bob? John Ciolino RV-8 N894Y -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:22 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337671#337671


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    Time: 01:38:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: E-Bus Diode Question
    From: "jvolkober" <jvolkober@comcast.net>
    Thank you all for the input. Responding to Matt's question, I did not have the alternator running at time I took the measurements. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337724#337724


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    Time: 05:19:57 PM PST US
    From: "John Loram" <johnl@loram.org>
    Subject: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15
    Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free. Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components. Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats. It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d Takes a while to download... -john-


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    Time: 08:24:03 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Wickert" <jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15
    There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo Cad worth the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the Siemens 2&3 D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone who is working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low time CAD people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale of Turbo Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said. Jim Wickert Tel 920-467-0219 Cell 920-912-1014 -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Loram Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free. Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components. Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats. It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d Takes a while to download... -john-


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    Time: 10:40:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15
    From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
    I second the motion . . . . you cannot hardly buy a book for $9.95 these days let alone a CAD pkg plus the book . . . . On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jim Wickert <jimw_btg@earthlink.net> wrote: > jimw_btg@earthlink.net> > > There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package > Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo Cad > worth > the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the Siemens 2&3 > D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone who is > working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low time CAD > people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that > Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale of Turbo > Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the > Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said. > > Jim Wickert > Tel 920-467-0219 > Cell 920-912-1014 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Loram > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD > 15 > > > Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free. > > Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components. > > Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats. > > It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d > > Takes a while to download... > > -john- > >


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    Time: 10:56:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Flap System trouble shoot
    From: "jonlaury" <jonlaury@impulse.net>
    What's wrong with this picture? I'm trying to install an over-ride switch in conjunction with the Aircraft Extras Flap Positioning System My flap motor is right up against the current limit of the AE FPS so I installed two 30A ice cube relays. On the relay, 12v+ and the motor terminals are NC. Pins 15 & 16 of the FPS are flaps up/down out to motor. The rocker at the top is the flap selector switch in to FPS. The rocker at the bottom is the FPS circuit board over-ride switch. Pins 15 & 16 are normally ground, except when there's a system flap input and either 15 or 16 goes to 12v+. I installed the diodes on the 15/16 to relay coil legs because I was getting a dead short when the override switch was closed. I thought that the diodes would solve the problem, but I'm still blowing fuses whenever the override switch is closed. Any suggestions much appreciated. Thanks, John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337777#337777 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fps_trouble_shoot_212.pdf




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