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1. 08:43 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 09:26 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (B Tomm)
3. 09:34 AM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (Jim Wickert)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Etienne Phillips)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: TurboCAD 10 (Paul McAllister)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Jay Hyde)
7. 10:38 AM - Mate-N-Lok crimp tool (James Kilford)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: Mate-N-Lok crimp tool (Jared Yates)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: TurboCAD 15 (David)
11. 11:51 AM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (John Ciolino)
12. 01:38 PM - Re: E-Bus Diode Question (jvolkober)
13. 05:19 PM - Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (John Loram)
14. 08:24 PM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (Jim Wickert)
15. 10:40 PM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (b d)
16. 10:56 PM - Flap System trouble shoot (jonlaury)
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Subject: | Re: E-Bus Diode Question |
At 12:22 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote:
>
>I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the
>main bus is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone
>advise if this is normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears
>correct. Checked it against the diagram on B&C.
>
Is this with the alternator running? Sounds like you're
running battery only. So yes, the voltages you're
citing are expected.
The only time the normal feedpath diode is in
service is when the alternator is running. This
gives you a main bus voltage on the order of
14.2 to 14.8 volts. The e-bus runs at 13.4 to
14.0.
When you're running the e-bus battery only, the
diode is out of the loop and the e-bus runs 12.4
down to end of life on the battery . . . about
10.5 volts.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | E-Bus Diode Question |
John,
I haven't powered up my B+C E-Buss diode yet but from what I know about
diodes, your measurement is pretty close. The drop may be as low as 0.6
from what I have read here and in the aerolectric connection.
Bevan
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:22 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question
--> <jvolkober@comcast.net>
I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus
is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is
normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against
the diagram on B&C.
John
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David and all,
The question what are you going to do with 3D.... 3D modeling it works great,
3D interference analysis it works, 3D stress analysis it take an understanding
of statics and stress pattern analysis to make it work....3d solids and layering
it works good, for drag and drop rendering...3D hidden-line rendering with
objects clipped behind cameras great, flexible camera views in 3D with realistic
lighting position enhancement great, floating and shaped viewpoints 3D changing
them on the fly it great, Auto associative dimension in 3D, comprehensive
set of 2D/3D drag n drop symbols with Boolean operations that allow intersect,
subtract, and slice of objects great, dynamic rotations and walk-troughs great...single-click
3D floating palettes etc etc. As I said most people do not
know what they want to do with 3D...for all intent and purpose on this group
the TurboCad 15 will be 200% of what they intend to do. Remember you have PCB
design and electrical circuit design as well something you will need to document
you work....all for $9.95 ya think??? Yes ver. 17 has more features but
for Exp plane building? If you are using it for your work and or business yes
the Ver. 17 is a great choice for the cost. Hands down.
For reality sake when you have $38,000 a seat invested in Pro-E.... yes a seat
ten of them (hardware and software) and $300,000 in Server hardware and software
you really get embarrassed..... but then TurboCad as others were not the product
they are today. And simulated testing is not there in TurboCad today either.
Believe me there is more horse power than you will ever dream to use.
Couple this with XPlane and your life will be occupied for ever. We also have
one of the new photo quality vinyl ink wide bed printers $21,000.00 now we really
can get into discussions....but is really better to fly the plane we are building
than look at it in simulated suspension of wide screen high def printed
form. It all about what we really want to do. Happy building.
Jim Wickert
Tel 920-467-0219
Cell 920-912-1014
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15
Does it not handle 3d well?
David
Jim Wickert wrote:
>
> Henador
>
> My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house
> that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out
> some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic
> 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the
> time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the
> cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose.
>
> Take Care happy designing.
>
> Jim Wickert
>
> Tel 920-467-0219
>
> Cell 920-912-1014
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Henador Titzoff
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10
>
> Jim,
>
> TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more.
> What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The
> price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software
> these days.
>
> If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to
> be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time!
>
> Henador Titzoff
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *
>
>
> *
--
If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid
of Soros.
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Hi Ray
If you can get your head around BRL, then I'm sure you'll manage with freeCAD.
I failed with both!
http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/
Good luck!
Etienne
On 21 Apr 2011, at 3:52 AM, rayj wrote:
>
> I'm a little off topic here but since you were talking CAD I thought I ask if
anyone knows of a cheap solid modeling cad program. I would prefer to run it
on Linux but will run it on Windows if I have to.
>
> I've been playing with BRL CAD but I'm hoping to find something easier to learn
quickly.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
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Hi Julian,
Although it does not address your Linux requirement Google SketchUp is an
interesting product. There is a free and a paid version, but what I like the
most is the large number of online tutorials that are available.
It can be found at http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/index.html
Regards, Paul
do not archive
________________________________
I'm a little off topic here but since you were talking CAD I thought I
ask if anyone knows of a cheap solid modeling cad program. I would
prefer to run it on Linux but will run it on Windows if I have to.
I've been playing with BRL CAD but I'm hoping to find something easier
to learn quickly.
Thanks for any help.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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Subject: | E-Bus Diode Question |
Voltage drop across a diode is perfectly normal and expected. Be careful
about what is supplied by the E-Bus though- for example, if you are
supplying power to an EFIS that has a backup battery charging from the EFIS
then that battery will not charge as the voltage is too low.
You can minimise the voltage drop by using a Schottkey diode, which will
bring the voltage drop down to around 0.6V.
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober
Sent: 21 April 2011 06:22 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question
I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus
is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is
normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against
the diagram on B&C.
John
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Subject: | Mate-N-Lok crimp tool |
Gents,
Do any of you happen to know of a reasonably priced crimp tool for the
above? I've not been able to find a tool that isn't going to break the
bank.
I could crimp them by hand I suppose -- any tips on this would be
appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation.
James
--
Jodel D-150 build in progress: 90% done... :-)
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Subject: | Re: Mate-N-Lok crimp tool |
I got mine from Stein and it works very well. Steinair.com
On Apr 21, 2011, at 13:32, James Kilford <james@etravel.org> wrote:
> Gents,
>
> Do any of you happen to know of a reasonably priced crimp tool for the abo
ve? I've not been able to find a tool that isn't going to break the bank.
>
> I could crimp them by hand I suppose -- any tips on this would be apprecia
ted.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
> James
>
> --
> Jodel D-150 build in progress: 90% done... :-)
>
>
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Subject: | E-Bus Diode Question |
At 04:05 AM 4/21/2011, you wrote:
>
>Voltage drop across a diode is perfectly normal and expected. Be careful
>about what is supplied by the E-Bus though- for example, if you are
>supplying power to an EFIS that has a backup battery charging from the EFIS
>then that battery will not charge as the voltage is too low.
Excellent point to ponder. Any devices powered from
the e-bus that contain rechargeable back-up batteries
should evaluated for MINIMUM supply voltage to support
the backup battery. Check manufacturer's installation
data for this information.
At the same time, don't loose track of the notion
that e-busses are configured and managed so that
back-up batteries are not necessary.
Bob . . .
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One of my applications is creating brackets to help finish my plane.
Once it's in, then we can use a 3d printer to make a plastic prototype
to see if it works. Then, I can send off to get the real metal piece made.
Another is to help with my electrical design of the plane.
David
Jim Wickert wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Wickert"<jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
>
> David and all,
> The question what are you going to do with 3D.... 3D modeling it works great,
3D interference analysis it works, 3D stress analysis it take an understanding
of statics and stress pattern analysis to make it work....3d solids and layering
it works good, for drag and drop rendering...3D hidden-line rendering with
objects clipped behind cameras great, flexible camera views in 3D with realistic
lighting position enhancement great, floating and shaped viewpoints 3D changing
them on the fly it great, Auto associative dimension in 3D, comprehensive
set of 2D/3D drag n drop symbols with Boolean operations that allow intersect,
subtract, and slice of objects great, dynamic rotations and walk-troughs
great...single-click 3D floating palettes etc etc. As I said most people do not
know what they want to do with 3D...for all intent and purpose on this group
the TurboCad 15 will be 200% of what they intend to do. Remember you have PCB
design and electrical circuit design as well someth!
> ing you will need to document you work....all for $9.95 ya think??? Yes ver.
17 has more features but for Exp plane building? If you are using it for
your work and or business yes the Ver. 17 is a great choice for the cost. Hands
down.
>
> For reality sake when you have $38,000 a seat invested in Pro-E.... yes a seat
ten of them (hardware and software) and $300,000 in Server hardware and software
you really get embarrassed..... but then TurboCad as others were not the
product they are today. And simulated testing is not there in TurboCad today
either. Believe me there is more horse power than you will ever dream to use.
Couple this with XPlane and your life will be occupied for ever. We also have
one of the new photo quality vinyl ink wide bed printers $21,000.00 now we really
can get into discussions....but is really better to fly the plane we are
building than look at it in simulated suspension of wide screen high def printed
form. It all about what we really want to do. Happy building.
>
> Jim Wickert
> Tel 920-467-0219
> Cell 920-912-1014
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:27 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 15
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: David<ainut@knology.net>
>
> Does it not handle 3d well?
>
> David
>
>
> Jim Wickert wrote:
>
>> Henador
>>
>> My Company. Business Technology Group is an Engineering Design house
>> that I owned for 31 years now, we have 10 Pro-E seatsI can pound out
>> some pretty quick designs with TurboCad and not miss much in the basic
>> 2D design and will stay head of AutoCad pretty much all the
>> time.TurboCad 15 also comes with a PCB design set as well. For the
>> cost of $9.95 I dont believe you cant lose.
>>
>> Take Care happy designing.
>>
>> Jim Wickert
>>
>> Tel 920-467-0219
>>
>> Cell 920-912-1014
>>
>> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Henador Titzoff
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:07 AM
>> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: TurboCAD 10
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> TurboCAD 15 costs 10 bucks, while AutoCAD 3D costs a boatload more.
>> What features, if any, does TurboCAD lack that AutoCAD 3D has? The
>> price sure does sound good, but $10 is hardly anything for software
>> these days.
>>
>> If it turns out that TurboCAD 15 is not too neutered, then it has to
>> be the best bang for the buck we've run across in a long time!
>>
>> Henador Titzoff
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
--
If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid
of Soros.
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Subject: | E-Bus Diode Question |
I have the same drop. But I also have the same question: is this normal?
Bob?
John Ciolino
RV-8
N894Y
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jvolkober
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:22 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: E-Bus Diode Question
I have a .8 volt drop across my e-bus diode. Voltage in from the main bus
is 12.4. Voltage out to the e-bus is 11.6. Can anyone advise if this is
normal or if I have problem. Wiring appears correct. Checked it against
the diagram on B&C.
John
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Subject: | Re: E-Bus Diode Question |
Thank you all for the input. Responding to Matt's question, I did not have the
alternator running at time I took the measurements.
John
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Subject: | Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 |
Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free.
Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components.
Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats.
It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d
Takes a while to download...
-john-
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Subject: | Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 |
There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package
Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo Cad worth
the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the Siemens 2&3
D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone who is
working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low time CAD
people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that
Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale of Turbo
Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the
Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said.
Jim Wickert
Tel 920-467-0219
Cell 920-912-1014
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Loram
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15
Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free.
Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components.
Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats.
It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d
Takes a while to download...
-john-
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Subject: | Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 |
I second the motion . . . . you cannot hardly buy a book for $9.95 these
days let alone a CAD pkg plus the book . . . .
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jim Wickert <jimw_btg@earthlink.net> wrote:
> jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
>
> There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package
> Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo Cad
> worth
> the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the Siemens 2&3
> D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone who is
> working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low time CAD
> people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that
> Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale of Turbo
> Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the
> Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said.
>
> Jim Wickert
> Tel 920-467-0219
> Cell 920-912-1014
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Loram
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD
> 15
>
>
> Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free.
>
> Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components.
>
> Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats.
>
> It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d
>
> Takes a while to download...
>
> -john-
>
>
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Subject: | Flap System trouble shoot |
What's wrong with this picture?
I'm trying to install an over-ride switch in conjunction with the Aircraft Extras
Flap Positioning System
My flap motor is right up against the current limit of the AE FPS so I installed
two 30A ice cube relays. On the relay, 12v+ and the motor terminals are NC.
Pins 15 & 16 of the FPS are flaps up/down out to motor. The rocker at the top
is the flap selector switch in to FPS.
The rocker at the bottom is the FPS circuit board over-ride switch.
Pins 15 & 16 are normally ground, except when there's a system flap input and either
15 or 16 goes to 12v+. I installed the diodes on the 15/16 to relay coil
legs because I was getting a dead short when the override switch was closed.
I thought that the diodes would solve the problem, but I'm still blowing fuses
whenever the override switch is closed.
Any suggestions much appreciated.
Thanks,
John
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