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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (Henador Titzoff)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 (jcarlton3@cox.net)
3. 07:55 AM - GNS-430 Install Manual (George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: GNS-430 Install Manual (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: Flap System trouble shoot (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 08:56 AM - DoubleCAD and Alibre Design (Alvin Voigt)
7. 09:13 AM - Cool! (Speedy11@aol.com)
8. 09:25 AM - Re: Cool! (James Kilford)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: DoubleCAD and Alibre Design (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Cool! (John Morgensen)
11. 10:07 AM - Re: GNS-430 Install Manual (George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Lightening up Z12 (rvg8tor)
13. 12:46 PM - ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Fergus Kyle)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (rayj)
15. 01:26 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Ralph Finch)
16. 01:28 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (ROGER & JEAN CURTIS)
17. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Lightening up Z12 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
18. 02:44 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
19. 03:05 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Richard Girard)
21. 03:43 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Bob Meyers)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
23. 04:35 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Robert Borger)
24. 04:36 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (rayj)
25. 04:38 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Dj Merrill)
26. 04:52 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Robert Borger)
27. 05:32 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (David)
28. 08:35 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
29. 08:40 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
30. 10:02 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (rayj)
31. 10:21 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
32. 10:36 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (rayj)
33. 10:59 PM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Jared Yates)
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| Subject: | Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15 |
Jim,=0A=0AI agree that documentation and low price are two extremely import
ant criteria for choosing this product. Another one is support. -I went t
o the TurboCAD website, and all they talk about is Ver. 18. -Does this me
an that previous versions, and especially 3 versions back, do not get suppo
rted. -By support, I'm talking things like new components for their elect
rical schematic tool. -I did notice that Ver. 18 doesnt have this tool.
-Did they end life it?=0A-=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Jim Wickert <jimw_btg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: aeroelect
ric-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:19 PM=0ASubject:
Re: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15=0A
nk.net>=0A=0AThere is one important point to remember when getting a Cad pa
ckage=0ADocumentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo
Cad worth=0Athe $9.95 extremely good documentation and support.- I have t
he Siemens 2&3=0AD Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and fo
r someone who is=0Aworking with CAD everyday they will come up to speed.-
But for low time CAD=0Apeople and people who use it on a project once in t
he Blue Moon that=0ADocumentation is a life saver.- I have nothing to gai
n by the sale of Turbo=0ACad but as a tool for the low time user it is grea
t and like I say the=0ADocumentation alone is worth the price of admission
enough said.=0A=0AJim Wickert=0ATel 920-467-0219=0ACell 920-912-1014=0A=0A
=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matron
ics.com=0A[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf O
f John=0ALoram=0ASent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM=0ATo: aeroelectric-
list@matronics.com=0ASubject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Draf
Loram" <johnl@loram.org>=0A=0ASiemens make the 2D version of it's high end
3D product available for free.=0A=0AComes with extensive libraries of mecha
nical and electrical components.=0A=0AOutputs files in both its own format
and industry standard formats.=0A=0AIt's a very capable product: http://www
.solidedge.com/free2d=0A=0ATakes a while to download...=0A=0A-john-=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD |
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Henador Titzoff <henador_titzoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Jim,
>
>I agree that documentation and low price are two extremely important criteria
for choosing this product. Another one is support. I went to the TurboCAD website,
and all they talk about is Ver. 18. Does this mean that previous versions,
and especially 3 versions back, do not get supported. By support, I'm talking
things like new components for their electrical schematic tool. I did notice
that Ver. 18 doesnt have this tool. Did they end life it?
>
>Henador Titzoff
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Jim Wickert <jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:19 PM
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD
15
>
>
>There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package
>Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo Cad worth
>the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the Siemens 2&3
>D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone who is
>working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low time CAD
>people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that
>Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale of Turbo
>Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the
>Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said.
>
>Jim Wickert
>Tel 920-467-0219
>Cell 920-912-1014
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>Loram
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was TurboCAD 15
>
>
>Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available for free.
>
>Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical components.
>
>Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats.
>
>It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d
>
>Takes a while to download...
>
>-john-
>
>=
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| Subject: | GNS-430 Install Manual |
My Garmin GNS-400 Series Installation Manual is Revision K, dated May
2002.
Anybody know if there is a more recent version?
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: GNS-430 Install Manual |
Neal,
Mine's dated Nov '06 revision B, but it covers the WAAS version also.
Don't know if that's a differentiator.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNS-430 Install Manual
My Garmin GNS-400 Series Installation Manual is Revision K, dated May
2002.
Anybody know if there is a more recent version?
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: Flap System trouble shoot |
At 01:54 AM 4/22/2011, you wrote:
>
>What's wrong with this picture?
>
>I'm trying to install an over-ride switch in conjunction with the
>Aircraft Extras Flap Positioning System
>
>My flap motor is right up against the current limit of the AE FPS so
>I installed two 30A ice cube relays. On the relay, 12v+ and the
>motor terminals are NC. Pins 15 & 16 of the FPS are flaps up/down
>out to motor. The rocker at the top is the flap selector switch in to FPS.
>
>The rocker at the bottom is the FPS circuit board over-ride switch.
>
>Pins 15 & 16 are normally ground, except when there's a system flap
>input and either 15 or 16 goes to 12v+. I installed the diodes on
>the 15/16 to relay coil legs because I was getting a dead
>short when the override switch was closed.
>
>I thought that the diodes would solve the problem, but I'm still
>blowing fuses whenever the override switch is closed.
>
>Any suggestions much appreciated.
It would help if you could offer a schematic of
the wiring as opposed to a pictorial. If you're
using relays to separate the output of an existing
control system from the motor, the I would expect
the control system to drive relay coils and the
motor would be powered from an alternative power
source through relay contacts. In other words, there
would be no exchange of energy between the control
system and the motor . . . your drawing shows some
wires that connect to motor . . . ?????
The forth page of
http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Flight/Flaps/Flaps.pdf
illustrates a configuration of single-pole, double-
throw relays used to accept inputs from a small
switch for crew control of flaps. This same circuit
with the switch removed would accept outputs from
your flap control system.
It would be helpful to know more about the flap
control system. What's the 'current limit' issue
all about. Normally, flap system draws are pretty
benign, 10A or less. What is it about your particular
flap configuration that makes it "oversized" for
the control system. What is the design goal for
an "override switch"?
Can you point us to a link for the control system's
installation manual?
I would also encourage you to learn to draw in
pure schematic form . . . it's the universal language
of electrical systems behaviors. I once had to teach
a group of Japanese technicians how to deal with
some video equipment I designed. Their English was
marginally useful, my Japanese was nil. But our mutual
understanding of the schematics, video in general and
the use of test equipment made a much lighter task
of what could have been a no-value-added endeavor.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | DoubleCAD and Alibre Design |
IMSI Design develops and markets DoubleCAD and TurboCAD.
DoubleCAD is marketed as a work alike replacement for AutoCAD LT and includ
es some extensions not in AutoCAD LT.
There is a DoubleCAD Pro for $695 and a DoubleCAD XT for free.
DoubleCAD XT Version 3 can be downloaded from http://doublecad.com/. Docume
ntation can be downloaded also.
DoubleCAD seems to be providing the free XT version releases at the same ti
me the Pro releases are provided. This means the free XT version is not an
out of date Pro version.
I have some experience with AutoCAD and notice a bunch of stuff retained in
AutoCAD=2C AutoCAD LT=2C and DoubleCAD from the first AutoCAD versions I u
sed on Eagle 8086 and HP 80286 computers.
For 3D modeling=2C http://www.alibre.com/ markets Alibre design Expert for
$1=2C399=2C Alibre Design Professional for $699=2C and Alibre Design Person
al Edition for $99.
Each $99 personal edition license includes registration for installation on
three computers.
Today=2C Friday=2C Alibre Design claims they are in a booth at Boeing's Fut
ure of Flight annual Earth Day event. Alibre Design will be showing support
at the WIKISPEED booth in Everett WA=2C so if you are in the Seattle area
they say to come stop by and say hello! I copied this from Alibre but have
no connection with the product expect to have spent $99 with them. I hope t
o install soon.
I have also used TurboCAD through Version 17 but without great delight. Tur
boCAD is a different philosophy from AutoCAD and DoubleCAD.
Alvin Voigt=2C Ashford=2C WA ' PST iamgodlisten@hotmail.com
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This forum seemed to go dormant for about 6-8 months. I'm glad to see
lots of discussion again.
Stan Sutterfield
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Well, for my part, it's too cold up at the hangar for about 6 months a year!
We've had a few days of blue skies and I'm starting to think about the last
couple of electrical jobs I need to do!
James
On 22 April 2011 17:09, <Speedy11@aol.com> wrote:
> This forum seemed to go dormant for about 6-8 months. I'm glad to see
> lots of discussion again.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
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| Subject: | DoubleCAD and Alibre Design |
I have also used TurboCAD through Version 17 but without
great delight. TurboCAD is a different philosophy from AutoCAD and
DoubleCAD.
Alvin Voigt, Ashford, WA - PST iamgodlisten@hotmail.com
Alvin,
Would you please elaborate on the "different
philosophy" between the CAD programs?
Thanks,
Roger
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Not dormant at all. Check the web forum link below and your spam filters.
john
On 4/22/2011 9:09 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
> This forum seemed to go dormant for about 6-8 months. I'm glad to see
> lots of discussion again.
> Stan Sutterfield
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>
>
> *
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| Subject: | GNS-430 Install Manual |
Thanks folks - I have what I need.
Stein comes thru again...
neal
===========
My Garmin GNS-400 Series Installation Manual is Revision K, dated May
2002.
Anybody know if there is a more recent version?
Neal
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening up Z12 |
Bob,
Since I would like to share one shunt, the shunt would have to come after the ANL
for the main alternator and the fusible link for the standby alternator. Is
there any issue with the placement of the shunt before or after the wire protection?
Attached is a drawing of the proposal.
You can see the fuseable link attaches to the shunt along wiht the B lead from
the main alternator
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 03:59 PM 4/20/2011, you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I am going to ask this question a different way. In Z12 there are 2
> > alternators, on plays a standby roll and will only produce power
> > when the main alternator goes out or is turned off. Given that only
> > one alternator operates at a time only one ammeter would be needed
> > to monitor the electrical load coming from the alternator providing
> > the power.
> >
> > This reduces parts count; takes out a shunt and switch required to
> > look at two shunts with on meter and or removes extra ammeter.
> >
> > So does anyone see any flaws in this logic?
> >
> >
>
> That will work
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
--------
Mike "Nemo" Elliott
RV-8A QB (Fuselage)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337834#337834
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| Subject: | ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Folks,
I have just read today's list of messages. The plethora (a number of
pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
lines is staggering.
A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
above take note:
The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
gpa bruce 1 / 144
aslsa 2 / 264
jared 2 / 72
ainut 3 / 161
aslsa 2 / 200
Raymond 12/ 244
That's 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which
are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I have just read todays list of messages. The plethora (a number of
> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
> above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>
> gpa bruce1 / 144
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond12/ 244
>
> Thats 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which are
> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Add:
Fergus Kyle 0/36
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus
Kyle
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond
Folks,
I have just read today's list of messages. The plethora (a number of
pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
lines is staggering.
A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
above take note:
The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
gpa bruce 1 / 144
aslsa 2 / 264
jared 2 / 72
ainut 3 / 161
aslsa 2 / 200
Raymond 12/ 244
That's 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which
are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
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| Subject: | ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Folks,
I have just read today's list of messages. The
plethora (a number of pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
lines is staggering.
A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of
space but those above take note:
The number of lines needed/number of lines
taken
gpa bruce 1 / 144
aslsa 2 / 264
jared 2 / 72
ainut 3 / 161
aslsa 2 / 200
Raymond 12/ 244
That's 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of
explanation, most of which are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines
produced 464 of scrolling
Kyle,
Don't you have anything better to do? This posting is more
of a waste of time than any of the others. I admit that sometimes reply
messages are posted without erasing nonessential garbage but this is
ridiculous. All that is necessary is an occasional gentle reminder.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening up Z12 |
At 02:50 PM 4/22/2011, you wrote:
>
>Bob,
>
>Since I would like to share one shunt, the shunt would have to come
>after the ANL for the main alternator and the fusible link for the
>standby alternator. Is there any issue with the placement of the
>shunt before or after the wire protection? Attached is a drawing of
>the proposal.
>
>You can see the fuseable link attaches to the shunt along wiht the B
>lead from the main alternator
What you show is fine.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Gad aren't we so lucky to have someone like you to monitor and correct our
dialog. Can you me a favor please?. . . Let's just take mine for example
gpa bruce 1 / 144
and please show me how I should reduce the 144 lines to 1 line so I can
learn and conserve on cyberspace too.
Thank you,
Bruce
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a numb
er
> of pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but
> those above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>
> gpa bruce 1 / 144
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond 12/ 244
>
> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of
> which are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of
> scrolling
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee hee
When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
Bruce
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
>
> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a number of
>> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>>
>> lines is staggering.
>>
>> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
>> above take note:
>>
>> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>>
>> gpa bruce1 / 144
>>
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 264
>>
>> jared 2 / 72
>>
>> ainut 3 / 161
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 200
>>
>> Raymond12/ 244
>>
>>
>> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which a
re
>> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Fergus, Recall the first two syllables of analysis, which seems to be the
source of your post.
Rick
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:02 PM, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee hee
>
> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>>
>>
>> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a number of
>>> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>>>
>>> lines is staggering.
>>>
>>> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
>>> above take note:
>>>
>>> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>>>
>>> gpa bruce1 / 144
>>>
>>>
>>> aslsa 2 / 264
>>>
>>> jared 2 / 72
>>>
>>> ainut 3 / 161
>>>
>>> aslsa 2 / 200
>>>
>>> Raymond12/ 244
>>>
>>>
>>> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which
are
>>> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Hi Bruce,
Assuming you don't have your tongue firmly in your cheek, I'll answer
for the original poster and politely razz him a little at the same time.
I have copied your entire post that he commented on below my signature
(which probably won't please the original poster). He is upset that
when you replied you did not remove or snip and shorten the previous
posts you were replying too. A sample of how he would have liked your
post to appear is below your original (and above the untrimmed post I
am replying too). Some people seem to feel this is bad net manners,
akin to spitting on the sidewalk or voting for the wrong party (take
your pick).
Admittedly, this does waste both network bandwidth and storage space,
especially when untrimmed replies to replies to replies, etc, take
place.
However, we are living on a text only mail list here and your post,
while having a high waste of space ratio, according to the original
poster, is hardly very offensive in this regard. In fact, it is
unlikely that it took up anymore storage space than a shortened
message might on anybodies hard drives as it is likely all contained
by itself on one sector of those hard drives because of minimum sector
size issues. It might even have been contained in one data packet on
the net as well - minus the mail server handshaking etc.
I fully support snipping as I don't won't to waste anyones resources,
but wasting time is also wasting resources and on some posts it just
isn't worth it or the full context is desired.
Either way, what I find down right rude is calling out specific
individuals by name for what is at most a modest crime and documenting
just how offensive they are to a self appointed scold. I would think
an occasional gentle reminder to trim posts would be much more
effective for someone who is upset by others netiquette.
Since I want this post to be in the archives, I can't type the other
space saving device I will assume the original poster may want you to
use, but it starts with 'do not' and ends with 'archive' - hope the
parser is strict!
Bob Meyers
Flight Testing Sonex N982SX Web Site Index http://N982SX.com
> I second the motion . . . . you cannot hardly buy a book for $9.95
> these days let alone a CAD pkg plus the book . . . .
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jim Wickert
> <jimw_btg@earthlink.net> wrote:
<jimw_btg@earthlink.net
> >
>
> There is one important point to remember when getting a Cad package
> Documentation.... Documentation this is one thing that makes Turbo
> Cad worth
> the $9.95 extremely good documentation and support. I have the
> Siemens 2&3
> D Cad and their PLM package as well as others...... and for someone
> who is
> working with CAD everyday they will come up to speed. But for low
> time CAD
> people and people who use it on a project once in the Blue Moon that
> Documentation is a life saver. I have nothing to gain by the sale
> of Turbo
> Cad but as a tool for the low time user it is great and like I say the
> Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said.
>
> Jim Wickert
> Tel 920-467-0219
> Cell 920-912-1014
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> John
> Loram
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:15 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Siemens Solid Edge 2D Drafting - was
> TurboCAD 15
>
> <johnl@loram.org>
>
> Siemens make the 2D version of it's high end 3D product available
> for free.
>
> Comes with extensive libraries of mechanical and electrical
> components.
>
> Outputs files in both its own format and industry standard formats.
>
> It's a very capable product: http://www.solidedge.com/free2d
>
> Takes a while to download...
>
> -john-
>
>
> s.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
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I second the motion . . . . you cannot hardly buy a book for $9.95
these days let alone a CAD pkg plus the book . . . .
>>>Documentation alone is worth the price of admission enough said.<<<
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 4:40 PM, b d wrote:
>
>> Gad aren't we so lucky to have someone like you to monitor and
>> correct our dialog. Can you me a favor please?. . . Let's just take
>> mine for example
>> gpa bruce 1 / 144
>>
>> and please show me how I should reduce the 144 lines to 1 line so I
>> can learn and conserve on cyberspace too.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a
>> number of pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
>>
>> lines is staggering.
>>
>> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space
>> but those above take note:
>>
>> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>>
>> gpa bruce 1 / 144
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 264
>>
>> jared 2 / 72
>>
>> ainut 3 / 161
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 200
>>
>> Raymond 12/ 244
>>
>> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most
>> of which are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464
>> of scrolling
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ist"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Bob, Your point is well taken . . . is this better? And for Fergus Kyle <
VE3LVO@rac.ca> here are a couple lists I'm sure he will want to transfer to
since he is so critical and intolerant of me and other people . . .
perfect people only-list@matronics.com <only-list@matronics.com>
get-a-life-list@matronics.com
*lintolerent republicans-list@matronics.com <lintoerentist@matronics.com>*
Thanks,
Bruce
"Save Cyber Space . . . . people are watching what you say"
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Bruce,
Why don't you go try out Biggoted_Democrats-list@craniorectalinversion.com
Bob
On Apr 22, 2011, at 18:08, b d wrote:
> Bob, Your point is well taken . . . is this better? And for Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
here are a couple lists I'm sure he will want to transfer to since
he is so critical and intolerant of me and other people . . .
>
> perfect people only-list@matronics.com
>
> get-a-life-list@matronics.com
>
> lintolerent republicans-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
> "Save Cyber Space . . . . people are watching what you say"
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
ARE NOT!
do not archive.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 04/22/2011 05:02 PM, b d wrote:
> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee hee
> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
> Bruce
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>
> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
>
> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have just read todays list of messages. The plethora (a number of
> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
> above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>
> gpa bruce1 / 144
>
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond12/ 244
>
>
> Thats 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of
> which are
> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org> wrote:
> . I would think an occasional gentle reminder to trim posts would be much m
ore effective for someone who is upset by others netiquette.
>
To be fair, we've had many gentle reminders over the years and they apparent
ly do not seem to help. It is not just the space being taken up, it makes se
arching the archives a major PITA. Because people do not trim their posts, s
earching pulls up multiple hits of the same repeated text, often several pag
es of hits, which makes the search function useless at times.
So not only do we get to enjoy the rudeness in realtime, it lives on forever
in the archives...
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
DJ,
Unfortunately, you are correct in all matters mentioned.
Perhaps we should all get back to building for a while and cool off.
Bob
Do not archive
On Apr 22, 2011, at 18:35, Dj Merrill wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org> wrote:
>
>> . I would think an occasional gentle reminder to trim posts would be much more
effective for someone who is upset by others netiquette.
>>
>
> To be fair, we've had many gentle reminders over the years and they apparently
do not seem to help. It is not just the space being taken up, it makes searching
the archives a major PITA. Because people do not trim their posts, searching
pulls up multiple hits of the same repeated text, often several pages of
hits, which makes the search function useless at times.
>
> So not only do we get to enjoy the rudeness in realtime, it lives on forever
in the archives...
>
> -Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Usually people normally trim, but occasionally one has only a few
moments to respond to an email...
I find it terribly difficult to follow those who answer posts who trim
*everything* except their own reply.
David
Dj Merrill wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Bob Meyers <bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org
> <mailto:bobmeyers@meyersfamily.org>> wrote:
>
>> . I would think an occasional gentle reminder to trim posts would be
>> much more effective for someone who is upset by others netiquette.
>>
>
> To be fair, we've had many gentle reminders over the years and they
> apparently do not seem to help. It is not just the space being taken
> up, it makes searching the archives a major PITA. Because people do
> not trim their posts, searching pulls up multiple hits of the same
> repeated text, often several pages of hits, which makes the search
> function useless at times.
>
> So not only do we get to enjoy the rudeness in realtime, it lives on
> forever in the archives...
>
> -Dj
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
*Am Too!* ;-)
Bruce
do not archive.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> ARE NOT!
>
>
> do not archive.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 04/22/2011 05:02 PM, b d wrote:
>
>> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee hee
>> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>>
>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>>
>>
>> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>>
>>
>> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a numb
er
>> of
>> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>>
>> lines is staggering.
>>
>> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but tho
se
>> above take note:
>>
>> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>>
>> gpa bruce1 / 144
>>
>>
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 264
>>
>> jared 2 / 72
>>
>> ainut 3 / 161
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 200
>>
>> Raymond12/ 244
>>
>>
>>
>> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of
>> which are
>> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> st Un/Subscription,
>>
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List"
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-Lis
t
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Already a member of that fine organization. . . . . . . Seen Bush & Cheney
just the other night at the meeting . . . . They were giving a speech
about how they, Haliburton, Black Water, and Exxon Mobile brought America to
her knees just before they handed her to Obama to fix with no money . . . .
. . got a great applause from Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh .
. . . Thought I seen you there too . . . . hee hee
Bruce
do not archive
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> Why don't you go try out Biggoted_Democrats-list@craniorectalinversion.com
>
> Bob
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 18:08, b d wrote:
>
> Bob, Your point is well taken . . . is this better? And for Fergus Kyle <
> VE3LVO@rac.ca> here are a couple lists I'm sure he will want to transfer
> to since he is so critical and intolerant of me and other people . . .
>
> perfect people only-list@matronics.com <only-list@matronics.com>
>
> get-a-life-list@matronics.com
>
> *lintolerent republicans-list@matronics.com <lintoerentist@matronics.com>*
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
> "Save Cyber Space . . . . people are watching what you say"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
ok....... you are. :) (Thanks, I was beginning to think nobody had a
sense of humor)
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 04/22/2011 10:29 PM, b d wrote:
> *Am Too!* ;-)
> Bruce
> do not archive.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>
> ARE NOT!
>
>
> do not archive.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 04/22/2011 05:02 PM, b d wrote:
>
> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee hee
> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
> Bruce
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>>
>
>
> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
>
> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have just read todays list of messages. The plethora
> (a number of
> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of
> space but those
> above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>
> gpa bruce1 / 144
>
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond12/ 244
>
>
> Thats 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation,
> most of
> which are
> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of
> scrolling
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> st Un/Subscription,
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List>"
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Hee hee . . . . mee too . . . . and ain't John Prine good? I didn't think
anyone remembered him?
(And now we know someones button we can push heh? )
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:58 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> ok....... you are. :) (Thanks, I was beginning to think nobody had a sens
e
> of humor)
>
> do not archive
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 04/22/2011 10:29 PM, b d wrote:
>
>> *Am Too!* ;-)
>> Bruce
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>>
>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>>
>> ARE NOT!
>>
>>
>> do not archive.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>>
>> On 04/22/2011 05:02 PM, b d wrote:
>>
>> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . . . hee he
e
>> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
>>
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
>>
>> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>>
>>
>>
>> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
>> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>>
>>
>> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora
>> (a number of
>> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>>
>> lines is staggering.
>>
>> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of
>> space but those
>> above take note:
>>
>> The number of lines needed/number of lines
>> taken
>>
>> gpa bruce1 / 144
>>
>>
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 264
>>
>> jared 2 / 72
>>
>> ainut 3 / 161
>>
>> aslsa 2 / 200
>>
>> Raymond12/ 244
>>
>>
>>
>> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation,
>> most of
>> which are
>> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced 464 of
>> scrolling
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Yeah, but there are so many on so many lists, and it's so easy, it kinda
takes the fun out of it.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 04/23/2011 12:18 AM, b d wrote:
> Hee hee . . . . mee too . . . . and ain't John Prine good? I didn't
> think anyone remembered him?
> (And now we know someones button we can push heh? )
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 9:58 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>
> ok....... you are. :) (Thanks, I was beginning to think nobody had a
> sense of humor)
>
> do not archive
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 04/22/2011 10:29 PM, b d wrote:
>
> *Am Too!* ;-)
> Bruce
> do not archive.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>>
>
> ARE NOT!
>
>
> do not archive.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 04/22/2011 05:02 PM, b d wrote:
>
> Yeh but I'm Number 1 on his list so I be da winner . . .
> . hee hee
> When do I get my award fer being the least "succinct"?
> Bruce
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, rayj
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>>> wrote:
>
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>>>
>
>
> YIPPIE!!!!!!! I got the best ratio!!!!!!
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." -
> John Prine
>
>
> On 04/22/2011 02:41 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have just read todays list of messages. The
> plethora
> (a number of
> pleths)ofunnecessaryempty orrepeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of
> space but those
> above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of
> lines taken
>
> gpa bruce1 / 144
>
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond12/ 244
>
>
> Thats 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of
> explanation,
> most of
> which are
> empty ornonsensical.In one case 4 lines produced
> 464 of
> scrolling
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
I
Also
Used
3
Extra
Sheets
Of
Tp
today
But
I
Still
Don't
Know
Anything
More
About
Shielded
Wires.
On Apr 22, 2011, at 15:41, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I have just read today=99s list of messages. The plethora (a
number of pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
>
> lines is staggering.
>
> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but thos
e above take note:
>
> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
>
> gpa bruce 1 / 144
>
> aslsa 2 / 264
>
> jared 2 / 72
>
> ainut 3 / 161
>
> aslsa 2 / 200
>
> Raymond 12/ 244
>
> That=99s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, mos
t of which are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scr
olling
>
>
>
>
>
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