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1. 03:08 AM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut (dfritzj)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (b d)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (Bill Bradburry)
4. 06:26 AM - List decorum (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 06:32 AM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut (Jared Yates)
6. 06:47 AM - Re: shields (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: List decorum (James Robinson)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: Lightening up Z12 (rvg8tor)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Cool! (Speedy11@aol.com)
10. 10:24 AM - Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond (David)
11. 10:24 AM - cad or cad-like program? (David)
12. 10:38 AM - Re: Shielding (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 10:49 AM - Re: List decorum (Fred Klein)
14. 12:11 PM - Re: List decorum (b d)
15. 12:31 PM - D-Sub and other small connections (messydeer)
16. 02:04 PM - Re: List decorum (rayj)
17. 03:05 PM - Re: List decorum (David)
18. 04:14 PM - Re: List decorum (Henador Titzoff)
19. 05:55 PM - Re: List decorum (b d)
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut |
Isn't shielded wire supposed to keep the noise off communication lines.....
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinc
hoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
bruce
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com> wrote:
> I
> Also
> Used
> 3
> Extra
> Sheets
> Of
> Tp
> today
> But
> I
> Still
> Don't
> Know
> Anything
> More
> About
> Shielded
> Wires.
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 15:41, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I have just read today=92s list of messages. The plethora (a numb
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> lines is staggering.
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> A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but
> those above take note:
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> The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
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> jared 2 / 72
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> ainut 3 / 161
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> aslsa 2 / 200
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> Raymond 12/ 244
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> That=92s 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of
> which are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of
> scrolling
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| Subject: | ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Guys,
You can go to Craigslist and select "jokes" if you want to waste time.
This is a serious list. It has enabled me to build a flying airplane with a
safe electrical system over a period of many years. I would not have wanted
to have my time wasted with this BS and I doubt that the folks still
building do either.
Please stop!
Bill B
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of b d
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond
Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinch
oftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
bruce
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com> wrote:
I
Also
Used
3
Extra
Sheets
Of
Tp
today
But
I
Still
Don't
Know
Anything
More
About
Shielded
Wires.
On Apr 22, 2011, at 15:41, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
Folks,
I have just read today's list of messages. The plethora (a number of
pleths) of unnecessary empty or repeated
lines is staggering.
A kudos to those who are succinct and unwasteful of space but those
above take note:
The number of lines needed/number of lines taken
gpa bruce 1 / 144
aslsa 2 / 264
jared 2 / 72
ainut 3 / 161
aslsa 2 / 200
Raymond 12/ 244
That's 22 lines of info and 1085 lines of explanation, most of which
are empty or nonsensical. In one case 4 lines produced 464 of scrolling
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At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
>bruce
>
Okay folks. We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of
years here on the List. He attended a weekend seminar
I presented in the Toronto area some years ago. I
spent a pleasant evening across the dinner table
from him and his wife. I don't think he's got a
vindictive bone in his body.
At the same time, we've all observed how easy it
is to assign emotional weight to written words
that has nothing to do with the spirit and intent
of the writer. Some of you have come down pretty
hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpretation
of my spirit and intent.
I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
humans communicate with each other. To inform,
entertain, constructively persuade, or to
bully.
The first three goals are always useful amongst
honorable people. Bullying has no useful
purpose except to speaker/writer who takes
personal pleasure in the discomfort of others.
When you write for this list, please be mindful
of the intent for your choice of words.
And let us give the benefit of the doubt
to others . . . we may not be perfect in our
communications skills but out of thousands
of participants over 10+ years on the
AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
very few bullies . . . and they were asked
to leave. The probability that anyone is
deliberately practicing the bully's arts
is very low. At the same time, a population
of 1600 members on the List offers a high
potential for misunderstanding.
We study the simple-ideas that go into
recipes for success in the aviation technologies
for the benefit of any who which to participate.
There are also simple-ideas in human behavior
that come together nicely as recipes for
success in the conduct of a civilized society.
I'd like to believe that we who take the
limits and capabilities of airplanes very
seriously are equally respectful of the
limits and capabilities of our fellow
pilots.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut |
When do you hook up both ends of the shield vs just one end? Can you run a left
and right audio channel in a two-wire shielded cable, or do they need to be
separated? Does the Garmin lo go to the shield of the high, or do both get their
own shields? Two wires in the same shield, or two separate singles?
On Apr 23, 2011, at 6:04, dfritzj <dfritzj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Isn't shielded wire supposed to keep the noise off communication lines.....
>
>
>
>
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At 09:29 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>
>When do you hook up both ends of the shield vs just one end?
When the installation instructions for the
system's components call for it.
> Can you run a left and right audio channel in a two-wire shielded
> cable, or do they need to be separated?
They can share the bundle.
> Does the Garmin lo go to the shield of the high, or do both get
> their own shields? Two wires in the same shield, or two separate singles?
Shielding of wires has a VERY limited utility
in fabricating our airplanes. The effect of a
shield is to break the potential for CAPACITIVE
coupling of a high-intensity, fast-rise time
antagonistic stimulus into a potential victim
small signal pathway.
A pair of small wires tightly twisted together
have an inter-wire capacitance on the order of
1 PICOFARAD per inch. A very tiny capacitance.
It takes a butt-ugly signal of very large magnitude
to push across that a few pico-farads of
inter-wire capacitance.
Those kinds of antagonists were rare behind the
panel in years past (magneto p-leads which were
always shielded). With the advent of electronic
ignition systems, those leads have become less
to non-antagonistic.
You could wire your entire system with unshielded,
twisted trios or pairs with a high probability
for success.
In some, rare instances, the shield is ALSO a
signal or ground pathway between black boxes
and the installation wiring diagram will be
explicit in the termination of the shield
at both ends. In all other cases, connection
at one end only is quite sufficient . . . and
should you choose NOT to shield the wire, the
probability of unwelcome behaviors from the
system is very, very low.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: List decorum |
Very well put Bob!!!
Jim
James Robinson
Glasair lll N79R
Spanish Fork UT U77
________________________________
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 6:21:17 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: List decorum
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
>.
> bruce
>
Okay folks. We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of
years here on the List. He attended a weekend seminar
I presented in the Toronto area some years ago. I
spent a pleasant evening across the dinner table
from him and his wife. I don't think he's got a
vindictive bone in his body.
At the same time, we've all observed how easy it
is to assign emotional weight to written words
that has nothing to do with the spirit and intent
of the writer. Some of you have come down pretty
hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpretation
of my spirit and intent.
I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
humans communicate with each other. To inform,
entertain, constructively persuade, or to
bully.
The first three goals are always useful amongst
honorable people. Bullying has no useful
purpose except to speaker/writer who takes
personal pleasure in the discomfort of others.
When you write for this list, please be mindful
of the intent for your choice of words.
And let us give the benefit of the doubt
to others . . . we may not be perfect in our
communications skills but out of thousands
of participants over 10+ years on the
AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
very few bullies . . . and they were asked
to leave. The probability that anyone is
deliberately practicing the bully's arts
is very low. At the same time, a population
of 1600 members on the List offers a high
potential for misunderstanding.
We study the simple-ideas that go into
recipes for success in the aviation technologies
for the benefit of any who which to participate.
There are also simple-ideas in human behavior
that come together nicely as recipes for
success in the conduct of a civilized society.
I'd like to believe that we who take the
limits and capabilities of airplanes very
seriously are equally respectful of the
limits and capabilities of our fellow
pilots.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Lightening up Z12 |
Thought I would follow up with a picture. I decided to attach the standby alternator
B lead on the downstream side of the ANL since it was more substantial
than the screw on the shunt. If the screws on the shunt were to work loose there
is a tight enough fit that the copper bar should stay in place and provide
some conductivity. In the drawing in the second post of this thread, the standby
B lead was attached at the shunt.
Ring on terminal on the left is the standby B lead and the main is on the right
of the ANL.
Cheers
--------
Mike "Nemo" Elliott
RV-8A QB (Fuselage)
Read this topic online here:
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Dormant in comparison to the past 6 to 8 years.
Stan
In a message dated 4/23/2011 3:04:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com writes:
Not dormant at all. Check the web forum link below and your spam filters.
john
On 4/22/2011 9:09 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
> This forum seemed to go dormant for about 6-8 months. I'm glad to see
> lots of discussion again.
> Stan Sutterfield
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| Subject: | Re: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond |
Jeez, Bill, can't we lighten up SOMETIMES?? A little humor break is
welcomed by me now and then.
David
Bill Bradburry wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> You can go to Craigslist and select jokes if you want to waste time.
>
> This is a serious list. It has enabled me to build a flying airplane
> with a safe electrical system over a period of many years. I would not
> have wanted to have my time wasted with this BS and I doubt that the
> folks still building do either.
>
> Please stop!
>
> Bill B
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *b d
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:00 AM
> *To:* aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; VE3LVO@rac.ca
> *Subject:* Re: AeroElectric-List: ATTN:gpabruce,aslsa,ainut & raymond
>
> Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
>
> bruce
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Jared Yates <email@jaredyates.com
> <mailto:email@jaredyates.com>> wrote:
>
> I
>
> Also
>
> Used
>
> 3
>
> Extra
>
> Sheets
>
> O
>
<<<snip>>>
--
If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid
of Soros.
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| Subject: | cad or cad-like program? |
Anyone know of a cad or cad-like program that we could use to model our
electrical system? It would be great if it could simulate loads and
help me know if my breaker is large enough or my wire has enough
ampacity. Better still would be to suggest which size breaker or wire
to use.
Could we possibly 'standardize' on a model share format so that we could
send each other our schematics for comment?
David M.
--
If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid
of Soros.
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At 06:04 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>
>Isn't shielded wire supposed to keep the noise off communication lines.....
Sorta . . .
I'll refer you to chapter 16 on noise but in a nutshell . . .
While the term "noise" usually conjures up an image
of un-useful things heard in the headphones, audible
interference is but a small subset of antagonistic
stimulus finding its way into a potentially vulnerable
victims.
Not all things electrically 'wiggly' are noise. A
a potentially antagonistic stimulus does not become
noise until a potential victim is sufficiently
influenced by it that performance is unacceptable.
This is why the chapter on 'noise' is entitled
"Electromagnetic Compatibility". The broader
spectrum of examples for 'noise' might include
instruments that don't quite read right, ignition
systems that "mis", panel lights that flicker, etc.
Further, just because an airplane is carrying around
one or more potential antagonists and perhaps a handful
of potential victims is not an automatic recipe for
failure.
The noise must have a propagation mode. It can be
directly connected (trash on the power supply,
ground loop, etc), radiated (ammeter lays over
by radio energy from transmitter), capacitively
coupled (high voltage, spikey waveforms couple
to parallel wires in the bundle), and inductively
(high current, spikey waveforms couple to parallel
wires).
Of the four modes cited, capacitive and inductive
coupling are the weakest. I've never fixed a noise
problem in a system by adding shield. I've encountered
magnetically coupled noises three times I can recall.
Once on a Beechjet, once on a Hawker 800 and once
on my Plymouth Voyager. The rest of my ventures into
the dragon's lair were to find and sometimes fix
conducted and radiated propagation issues.
But know that for the kinds of potential
noises and the manner in which our itty-bitty
airplanes are built, shielding is the very
least of your worries. Follow manufacturer's
instructions. If a noise problem emerges,
the last portal to open to the dragon's lair
will be that of shielding.
Bob . . .
is the weakest and least
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: List decorum |
On Apr 23, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> When you write for this list, please be mindful
> of the intent for your choice of words.
Thank you Bob,
Not to belabor the point, but rather to finish off this topic on a
high note, I offer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzgzim5m7oU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Fred
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: List decorum |
Don't you love it when the Bully accuses the other of being the Bully? And
those who want to defend the Bully who started the Bullyism? If you're
worried about using up cyber bits and bytes and spaces, you could lead by
example and stop yourself. Some people are just full of themselves. Now see
if you can not reply and that will end this stupid rant about saving cyber
space only when someone else is conversing.
Bruce
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
>
> At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>
>>
>> Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
>> bruce
>>
>>
> Okay folks. We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of
> years here on the List. He attended a weekend seminar
> I presented in the Toronto area some years ago. I
> spent a pleasant evening across the dinner table
> from him and his wife. I don't think he's got a
> vindictive bone in his body.
>
> At the same time, we've all observed how easy it
> is to assign emotional weight to written words
> that has nothing to do with the spirit and intent
> of the writer. Some of you have come down pretty
> hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpretation
> of my spirit and intent.
>
> I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
> humans communicate with each other. To inform,
> entertain, constructively persuade, or to
> bully.
>
> The first three goals are always useful amongst
> honorable people. Bullying has no useful
> purpose except to speaker/writer who takes
> personal pleasure in the discomfort of others.
> When you write for this list, please be mindful
> of the intent for your choice of words.
>
> And let us give the benefit of the doubt
> to others . . . we may not be perfect in our
> communications skills but out of thousands
> of participants over 10+ years on the
> AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
> very few bullies . . . and they were asked
> to leave. The probability that anyone is
> deliberately practicing the bully's arts
> is very low. At the same time, a population
> of 1600 members on the List offers a high
> potential for misunderstanding.
>
> We study the simple-ideas that go into
> recipes for success in the aviation technologies
> for the benefit of any who which to participate.
> There are also simple-ideas in human behavior
> that come together nicely as recipes for
> success in the conduct of a civilized society.
>
> I'd like to believe that we who take the
> limits and capabilities of airplanes very
> seriously are equally respectful of the
> limits and capabilities of our fellow
> pilots.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | D-Sub and other small connections |
Hi!
I'm a few to several months away from completing my Sonex. I have all of the wiring
that goes through the firewall already installed, including my MGL Enigma.
I got a used Collins TDR-950 transponder a week or so ago and now need to buy
and install a radio, ELT and the audio.
The transponder came only with the bare plastic 15 position single row card edge
connector housing. I understand I'd need 15 card edge contacts to crimp or solder,
then slide them into this housing. I'll need to connect the other end of
most of the wires to a 9-pin male D-Sub connector. The MGL V10 (or V6) radio
would also use a 9-pin D-sub connector. And even if the ELT and any audio devices
use those connections, there still wouldn't be that many of them. So I am
considering soldering all the connections instead of crimping. I feel fairly
comfortable with soldering and wouldn't have to buy a $30-40 crimp tool. I've
read that soldering underneath the panel isn't fun, which could be needed for
any changes made later. Seems I'd be able to pull both ends of the wires out and
do this out of the plane. Anything else I'd need to consider?
There don't seem to be any solder cup card edge contacts at digikey, unless I want
to buy 5,000 of them. I'd just crimp the 15 wires with the open barrel edge
contacts with needle nose pliers, right?
As far as the D-Sub connector, is there an advantage to using a plastic hood to
cover the end? Seems some heatshrink would make for a good strain relief fitting.
Any comments appreciated. Below is a pic of the card edge contact at digikey.
--------
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: List decorum |
Bob,
I believe "to deceive" could be added to the list. But this is not a
topic that that adds to anyone's electron herding skills.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 04/23/2011 07:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
**snip**
> I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
> humans communicate with each other. To inform,
> entertain, constructively persuade, or to
> bully.
**snip**
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| Subject: | Re: List decorum |
I didn't think that post from Fergus was such a big deal.
b d wrote:
> Don't you love it when the Bully accuses the other of being the Bully?
> And those who want to defend the Bully who started the Bullyism? If
> you're worried about using up cyber bits and bytes and spaces, you
> could lead by example and stop yourself. Some people are just full of
> themselves. Now see if you can not reply and that will end this stupid
> rant about saving cyber space only when someone else is conversing.
> Bruce
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>>
> wrote:
>
> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>>
>
> At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>
> Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
> bruce
>
>
> Okay folks. We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of
> years here on the List. He attended a weekend seminar
> I presented in the Toronto area some years ago. I
> spent a pleasant evening across the dinner table
> from him and his wife. I don't think he's got a
> vindictive bone in his body.
>
> At the same time, we've all observed how easy it
> is to assign emotional weight to written words
> that has nothing to do with the spirit and intent
> of the writer. Some of you have come down pretty
> hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpretation
> of my spirit and intent.
>
> I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
> humans communicate with each other. To inform,
> entertain, constructively persuade, or to
> bully.
>
> The first three goals are always useful amongst
> honorable people. Bullying has no useful
> purpose except to speaker/writer who takes
> personal pleasure in the discomfort of others.
> When you write for this list, please be mindful
> of the intent for your choice of words.
>
> And let us give the benefit of the doubt
> to others . . . we may not be perfect in our
> communications skills but out of thousands
> of participants over 10+ years on the
> AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
> very few bullies . . . and they were asked
> to leave. The probability that anyone is
> deliberately practicing the bully's arts
> is very low. At the same time, a population
> of 1600 members on the List offers a high
> potential for misunderstanding.
>
> We study the simple-ideas that go into
> recipes for success in the aviation technologies
> for the benefit of any who which to participate.
> There are also simple-ideas in human behavior
> that come together nicely as recipes for
> success in the conduct of a civilized society.
>
> I'd like to believe that we who take the
> limits and capabilities of airplanes very
> seriously are equally respectful of the
> limits and capabilities of our fellow
> pilots.
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Neither did I, David. -In fact, I thought he was trying to improve our co
mmunication. -I also liked the post by Dj saying that we've had gentle re
minders over the years, and it makes searching the archives a major PITA.
=0A=0AAnd finally, I liked the post by Raymond J. asking to add "to deceive
" to Bob's list.=0A=0AHenador Titzoff=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: David <ainut@knology.net>=0ATo: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:45 PM=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
ology.net>=0A=0AI didn't think that post from Fergus was such a big deal.
=0A=0A=0A=0Ab d wrote:=0A> Don't you love it when the Bully accuses the oth
er of being the Bully? And those who want to defend the Bully who started t
he Bullyism? If you're worried about using up cyber bits and bytes and spac
es, you could lead by example and stop yourself. Some people are just full
of themselves. Now see if you can not reply and that will end this stupid r
ant about saving cyber space only when someone else is conversing.=0A> Bruc
e=0A> =0A> =0A> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <n
uckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>> wrote:
lls, III"=0A>- - <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@a
eroelectric.com>>=0A> =0A>- - At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:=0A>
=0A>- - - - Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesure
youusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraof
emptyspaces.=0A>- - - - bruce=0A> =0A> =0A>- - - Okay folks.
We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of=0A>- - - years here on the
List. He attended a weekend seminar=0A>- - - I presented in the Toro
nto area some years ago. I=0A>- - - spent a pleasant evening across t
he dinner table=0A>- - - from him and his wife. I don't think he's go
t a=0A>- - - vindictive bone in his body.=0A> =0A>- - - At the
same time, we've all observed how easy it=0A>- - - is to assign emoti
onal weight to written words=0A>- - - that has nothing to do with the
spirit and intent=0A>- - - of the writer. Some of you have come down
pretty=0A>- - - hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpret
ation=0A>- - - of my spirit and intent.=0A> =0A>- - - I have ob
served there are but 4 reasons that=0A>- - - humans communicate with
each other. To inform,=0A>- - - entertain, constructively persuade, o
r to=0A>- - - bully.=0A> =0A>- - - The first three goals are al
ways useful amongst=0A>- - - honorable people. Bullying has no useful
=0A>- - - purpose except to speaker/writer who takes=0A>- - - p
ersonal pleasure in the discomfort of others.=0A>- - - When you write
for this list, please be mindful=0A>- - - of the intent for your cho
ice of words.=0A> =0A>- - - And let us give the benefit of the doubt
=0A>- - - to others . . . we may not be perfect in our=0A>- - -
communications skills but out of thousands=0A>- - - of participants
over 10+ years on the=0A>- - - AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
=0A>- - - very few bullies . . . and they were asked=0A>- - - t
o leave. The probability that anyone is=0A>- - - deliberately practic
ing the bully's arts=0A>- - - is very low. At the same time, a popula
tion=0A>- - - of 1600 members on the List offers a high=0A>- -
- potential for misunderstanding.=0A> =0A>- - - We study the simple
-ideas that go into=0A>- - - recipes for success in the aviation tech
nologies=0A>- - - for the benefit of any who which to participate.=0A
>- - - There are also simple-ideas in human behavior=0A>- - - t
hat come together nicely as recipes for=0A>- - - success in the condu
ct of a civilized society.=0A> =0A>- - - I'd like to believe that we
who take the=0A>- - - limits and capabilities of airplanes very=0A>
- - - seriously are equally respectful of the=0A>- - - limits a
nd capabilities of our fellow=0A>- - - pilots.=0A>- - , 7-Day Br
owse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>- - ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroEle
ctric-List"=0A>- - target="_blank"==========0A>-
- http://forums.mle, List Admin.=0A>- - ======0A> =0A>
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> <http://forums.matronics.com/>=0A> *=0A> =0A> =0A> *=0A=0A-- If you're an
American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and get rid of Sor
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It wasn't nor was what he was complaining about a big deal . . . it didn't
even require a comment let alone a rude comment. See how many spaces and
lines have been used since?
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, David <ainut@knology.net> wrote:
>
> I didn't think that post from Fergus was such a big deal.
>
>
> b d wrote:
>
>> Don't you love it when the Bully accuses the other of being the Bully? And
>> those who want to defend the Bully who started the Bullyism? If you're
>> worried about using up cyber bits and bytes and spaces, you could lead by
>> example and stop yourself. Some people are just full of themselves. Now see
>> if you can not reply and that will end this stupid rant about saving cyber
>> space only when someone else is conversing.
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
>> nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com <mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 07:59 AM 4/23/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Furgusmaycomeandcheckoutyourwastepaperbaskettomakesureyouusedeverysquareinchoftoiletpaperanddidn'twasteanylinesorleaveaplethoraofemptyspaces.
>> bruce
>>
>>
>> Okay folks. We've all known Fergus for a whole lot of
>> years here on the List. He attended a weekend seminar
>> I presented in the Toronto area some years ago. I
>> spent a pleasant evening across the dinner table
>> from him and his wife. I don't think he's got a
>> vindictive bone in his body.
>>
>> At the same time, we've all observed how easy it
>> is to assign emotional weight to written words
>> that has nothing to do with the spirit and intent
>> of the writer. Some of you have come down pretty
>> hard on me in past years based on some mis-interpretation
>> of my spirit and intent.
>>
>> I have observed there are but 4 reasons that
>> humans communicate with each other. To inform,
>> entertain, constructively persuade, or to
>> bully.
>>
>> The first three goals are always useful amongst
>> honorable people. Bullying has no useful
>> purpose except to speaker/writer who takes
>> personal pleasure in the discomfort of others.
>> When you write for this list, please be mindful
>> of the intent for your choice of words.
>>
>> And let us give the benefit of the doubt
>> to others . . . we may not be perfect in our
>> communications skills but out of thousands
>> of participants over 10+ years on the
>> AeroElectric-List, we have encountered
>> very few bullies . . . and they were asked
>> to leave. The probability that anyone is
>> deliberately practicing the bully's arts
>> is very low. At the same time, a population
>> of 1600 members on the List offers a high
>> potential for misunderstanding.
>>
>> We study the simple-ideas that go into
>> recipes for success in the aviation technologies
>> for the benefit of any who which to participate.
>> There are also simple-ideas in human behavior
>> that come together nicely as recipes for
>> success in the conduct of a civilized society.
>>
>> I'd like to believe that we who take the
>> limits and capabilities of airplanes very
>> seriously are equally respectful of the
>> limits and capabilities of our fellow
>> pilots.
>> , 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List"
>> target="_blank"========
>> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>
>> do not archive
>> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> *
>>
>>
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>>
>
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> If you're an American, just say NO to the Obamanation, to socialism, and
> get rid of Soros.
>
>
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