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1. 07:04 AM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Noel Loveys)
2. 09:12 AM - Re: Key Ignition Switch (plevyakh)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (James Kilford)
5. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (David Lloyd)
6. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Mike Welch)
7. 11:10 AM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (B Tomm)
9. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (John Morgensen)
10. 12:22 PM - Re: Key Ignition Switch (plevyakh)
11. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (rayj)
12. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Noel Loveys)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Noel Loveys)
14. 02:09 PM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (rayj)
15. 02:32 PM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Harley)
16. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Bill Bradburry)
17. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Bill Bradburry)
18. 03:12 PM - Beauty on 4-wheels (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
20. 03:45 PM - Re: Unsteelable Airplane (was Key Ignition Switch) (Carlos Trigo)
21. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (RGent1224@aol.com)
22. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Noel Loveys)
23. 08:38 PM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Noel Loveys)
24. 08:46 PM - Re: Beauty on 4-wheels (Noel Loveys)
25. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: Key Ignition Switch (Noel Loveys)
26. 08:46 PM - Re: Lithium batteries redux (Noel Loveys)
27. 09:25 PM - Re: Unsteelable Airplane (was Key Ignition Switch) (Bill Bradburry)
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
The cost is another factor. Planes work best when the weight is held
at a minimum.
But "best" is non quantified. And weight is a moving
target. One might suggest that the airplane will perform
"better" if you never fly with more than 1/4 tanks. Obviously,
this cripples the overall mission performance in trade
for "better" performance en route.
* Noel: Being that I am the guy who normally flies at MTOW the lighter the
parts I carry aloft allow me to carry more fuel or cargo (read fishing gear)
Each owner has to justify the cost of a high tech lithium battery
for himself.
Absolutely. Further, it goes beyond acquisition costs
to include cost of ownership over an extended period of
time equal to the battery's expected service life.
This was emphasized in the short essay I published. These
are an emerging technology . . . with the historically
predictable acquisition costs. My first 4-function calculator
cost me $75 used in 1980, Needed 9v batteries it ate like
popcorn. The same functionality today costs $1 at big lots and
runs for years on a button cell.
* Noel: Only the future will tell about the cost of lithium polymer cells.
If they become common enough the price will drop the question is of course
how much. The whole question of cost has to be compared to the value of a
dollar on any particular day. For instance the calculator you bought in
1980 and cost $75 would only be around $15.00 at today's value of the
dollar. BTW in 1980 I found a graphing calculator program for my little RS
computer... Worked great but occasionally it would give results to 16
decimal points even when set to only give two decimal point results.
We're in the "1980's emerging technology" mode with lithium
ion batteries as main batteries for aircraft. The high
volume usage by automotive markets will have the same effect
on aircraft lithium cranking batteries as consumer grade
GPS products had on aviation specific GPS navigation. If
our fellow citizens have it bolted to THEIR cars and RV's,
then it's going to get better for OUR airplanes in the
future.
But you're right. There are dragons to slay, new dogs to
train, old dogs to retire, and market confidences to be
gained. We are presently witnessing the opening minutes
of the first quarter.
Putting the numbers to a complete set of design goals
is what the guys in the heavy-iron bird business do
to justify their salaries and test budgets. That's why
it cost $30 million to bring the Star Ship to market . . .
If we'd spent another $10 million in doing the numbers
and testing, we might have saved a boatload of money
by discovering that the product was doomed before we
put it into production.
Bob I'm interested on the reason the Star Ship disappeared. I felt it had
great potential for markets where there were short paved runways. In fact I
was a little surprised when it wasn't taken up globally.
Noel
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in and stealing
the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea.but locks out the controls instead
with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
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GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
At 11:31 PM 5/14/2011, you wrote:
><stuart@stuarthutchison.com.au>
>
>G'day Bob,
>
>Yes. I was aslo thinking of those with utility lights or other loads coming
>directly off the battery bus. If a load is left on for any reason, even a
>new lithium battery could be rendered useless overnight (as it won't safely
>accept a charge below the minimum operating voltage).
Those are the kinds of questions to be asked
and answered. If it is a no-no to deeply discharge
the lithium battery, one might offset the
characteristic by providing automatic disconnect
when the battery voltage (or watt-seconds of
drain) past certain limits. Of course, this
adds to system complexity with electro-whizzies
to manage battery idiosyncrasies. This means
another produce to design, develop, test,
produce, install, maintain, and finance the fuel
to carry it around.
This is why it is so important to know ALL there
is to know about a new product and to gage
new facts with legacy design goals to deduce
a potential for unhappy surprises.
At Beech in the 1970-1980 time frame, we had
a gentleman who ran "Jack Thurman's House of
Horrors". The general consensus was that if
Jack couldn't tear it up, it was okay to bolt
to an airplane.
Jack had all manner of vibration, bake, freeze,
wet, oil, and electrical system mock-ups with
which to torment the offerings of the hopeful new
supplier. I knew Jack pretty well as one of those
"hopefuls" and learned to do my homework before
I let him get his hands on it. He contributed
greatly to my education as a thoughtful designer.
Bottom line is that the four-color brochures and
30-second promotional videos offer only the surface
of what's needed for making the confident decision.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Howard,
As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a system
that will track it and tell you where it is. I've read about low-cost
systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will text you with
co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered.
My concern with fitting any sort of immobiliser is that it's another system
that is designed to stop the aeroplane from flying, and there might be a
failure mode that would cause you to have a bad day!
There are loads of good mechanical systems though -- the prop locks and
whatnot -- and you could doubtless gain something from looking at the
motorcycle security products. There are all sorts of very solid bike chain
s
and locks that might help you secure an entire airframe.
Protecting the avionics individually might be more of a problem, but still,
there are many types of security screws that will make life difficult for a
n
equipment thief. Or perhaps a Kensington lock, used on many a laptop.
Coupled with a GSM-notifying alarm system, these might create enough of a
delay for you to get down to the hangar before the miscreants depart with
your chattels.
James
On 15 May 2011 17:08, plevyakh <hplevyak@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my
> airplane.
>
> My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in an
d
> stealing the avionics.
>
> What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
>
> What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
>
> Some ideas:
> 1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
> - http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
> - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
>
> 2) Door Lock
> - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
>
> 3) Throttle Lock
> - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
> or
> - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
>
> 4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
> - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
> - http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
>
> 5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea=C3=A2=82=AC=C2.but l
ocks out the
> controls instead with a padlock and steel bar.
>
> 6) Aircraft Alarm System
> - http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
>
> TIA for your thoughts.
> Howard
>
> --------
> Howard Plevyak
> GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
> hplevyak@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339905#339905
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
I have always thought the "Throttle" lock was robust and not easily
defeated. I have seen versions to where you could not get bolt cutters
around the lock hasp. Trying to get it off would break the throttle
control and then where is the thief.?
Also, the large manual marine battery cutoff switches are reliable, and
if you have a secret location to install it and manually switch if OFF
every flight. That would take a thief too long to figure out why no
power to start the engine. However, if he is a real jerk he might
decide to try to hand prop it and fly with no panel.....
D
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From: James Kilford
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Howard,
As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a
system that will track it and tell you where it is. I've read about
low-cost systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will
text you with co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered.
My concern with fitting any sort of immobiliser is that it's another
system that is designed to stop the aeroplane from flying, and there
might be a failure mode that would cause you to have a bad day!
There are loads of good mechanical systems though -- the prop locks
and whatnot -- and you could doubtless gain something from looking at
the motorcycle security products. There are all sorts of very solid
bike chains and locks that might help you secure an entire airframe.
Protecting the avionics individually might be more of a problem, but
still, there are many types of security screws that will make life
difficult for an equipment thief. Or perhaps a Kensington lock, used on
many a laptop. Coupled with a GSM-notifying alarm system, these might
create enough of a delay for you to get down to the hangar before the
miscreants depart with your chattels.
James
On 15 May 2011 17:08, plevyakh <hplevyak@mac.com> wrote:
<hplevyak@mac.com>
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my
airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking
in and stealing the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock
idea=C3=A2=82=AC=C2.but locks out the controls instead with a
padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
-
http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
--------
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GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
> What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
> TIA for your thoughts.
> Howard
Howard=2C
Here is what I would do=2C if I was worried about losing an airplane
or airplane parts=3B (cost...about $.50=2C if that!)
ATTENTION!!!
If you can read this message=2C you have already activated
a motion detector & video recorder=2C and
YOU ARE BEING TAPED!!
IF YOU ARE STILL IN THIS VICINITY WITHIN 3 MINUTES=2C
THE POLICE WILL BE NOTIFIED VIA A MODEM.
YOU HAVE 2 1/2 MINUTES LEFT BEFORE THE POLICE ARE
CALLED. GOOD BYE!!
You also have a small electronic box sitting inside the plane=2C
with a flashing RED LED. The box is only visible if you are standing
near the plane=2C even though it blinks 24/7....they think they
just set it off and are being recorded!! Nobody=2C and I mean NOBODY
is going to do a thing wrong when they think they are on camera!!
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
At 10:00 AM 5/15/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>* Noel: Being that I am the guy who normally flies at MTOW the lighter the
>parts I carry aloft allow me to carry more fuel or cargo (read fishing gear).
How often do you find yourself trading off between fuel
and cargo for the purpose of making a 15 pound adjustment?
I ask this in the context of using weight savings to drive
a decision to go lithium. Suppose your airplane was specifically
crafted for light weight in every detail. Dick Rutan had
bad dreams about bending the very-light rudder peddles
in Voyager . . . an airplane that had no paint on the bottoms
surface of the wings. Going lithium as one component of
many in the weight savings equation might make a whole lot
of sense. But I presume your airplane is pretty much the
same as every other example . . . so if you DO shave 15 pounds
out of a battery . . . how likely is it that you get an
attractive return on investment for that single savings?
>Bob I'm interested on the reason the Star Ship disappeared. I felt it had
>great potential for markets where there were short paved runways. In fact I
>was a little surprised when it wasn't taken up globally.
A whole host of reasons. It was rushed into production
without fully exploring all the ramifications of getting
the thing certified. We didn't know much about building
a composite airplane. The FAA knew less about certifying
one. We use a lot of "aluminum" techniques to build
a composite airplane. By the time certain certification
deficiencies were identified and 'beefed up', the airplane
came out 2000 pounds heavier than wished/planned for.
The thing was noisy inside. Some of our guys in the Targets
Division received a charter to play with some active noise
reduction techniques in the Starship cabin . . . no joy.
Things that got us all excited about uncle Burt's POC
aircraft did not come to pass in the production model.
Here's a pretty good short story on the rise and
fall of the Starship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Starship
One of the best narratives on the Starship was
written by Peter Garrison which you can find here:
http://www.starshipdiaries.com/files/Flying%20Review.pdf
The airplane DID pioneer some firsts. Collins did
the first all glass cockpit tailored to a GA aircraft.
Over 150 distributed microprocessors. MUCH easier to
manage software to specific tasks. Then the FAA came
along and levied DO178 on software and the bureaucracies
of distributed processing became overwhelming. So now
we certify ONE chunk of do-everything software in
super-processors . . . UGH!
I got a call one day to see if I could assist a tech
in deducing a problem with a Starship de-ice controller.
Upon first sight of the thing spread out on the workbench
my first impulse was to turn around and walk back out.
The logic boards alone were on two nearly foot-square,
multi-layer ECB's with over 100 discrete logic chips
on each board. The drawing for the schematic was a roll
size thing about 8' long. I was told that the designer
received some kind of award for his efforts . . . and
left the company a short time later. Clearly not a
student of the elegant solution.
It's been an interesting line of speculative conversation
amongst my peers at Beech as to how things might have
been done differently under the design and marketing
philosophies of the Beech/Wallace/Lear schools.
While Starship was in development, I was working the
"Baby Starship" program (GP-180) at Learjet. THAT airplane
turned out to be the poor exec's hot rod. Mostly
aluminum built on very simple tooling, that airplane
was also a large catalog of firsts. Being a mostly
aluminum airplane, the performance goals were largely
met if not exceeded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti
Wichita has been a very interesting place to work
and to observe the evolution of general aviation.
It's a rich history of successes and failures . . .
and a harsh school of hard knocks for evolving
marketable recipes for success. I could not have
picked a better place to work.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Another reason to use P-mags. No electrical power, no engine start.
Bevan
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Lloyd
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
I have always thought the "Throttle" lock was robust and not easily
defeated. I have seen versions to where you could not get bolt cutters
around the lock hasp. Trying to get it off would break the throttle
control and then where is the thief.?
Also, the large manual marine battery cutoff switches are reliable, and
if you have a secret location to install it and manually switch if OFF
every flight. That would take a thief too long to figure out why no
power to start the engine. However, if he is a real jerk he might
decide to try to hand prop it and fly with no panel.....
D
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From: James Kilford <mailto:james@etravel.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Howard,
As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a
system that will track it and tell you where it is. I've read about
low-cost systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will
text you with co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered.
My concern with fitting any sort of immobiliser is that it's another
system that is designed to stop the aeroplane from flying, and there
might be a failure mode that would cause you to have a bad day!
There are loads of good mechanical systems though -- the prop locks and
whatnot -- and you could doubtless gain something from looking at the
motorcycle security products. There are all sorts of very solid bike
chains and locks that might help you secure an entire airframe.
Protecting the avionics individually might be more of a problem, but
still, there are many types of security screws that will make life
difficult for an equipment thief. Or perhaps a Kensington lock, used on
many a laptop. Coupled with a GSM-notifying alarm system, these might
create enough of a delay for you to get down to the hangar before the
miscreants depart with your chattels.
James
On 15 May 2011 17:08, plevyakh <hplevyak@mac.com> wrote:
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my
airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in
and stealing the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea=C3=A2=82=AC=C2.but
locks out the controls instead with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
--------
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GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
VAF has a forum on APRS Tracking:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
This is a real-time tracking system based on HAM radio facilities. To
see it in action:
> http://aprs.fi/moving/
Hint: Sort by 'speed' to bring airplanes to the top of the list.
john
On 5/15/2011 10:10 AM, James Kilford wrote:
> Howard,
>
> As well as trying to stop people from taking the plane, how about a
> system that will track it and tell you where it is. I've read about
> low-cost systems to do that -- a little GPS and GSM device that will
> text you with co-ordinates once a car alarm has been triggered.
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note and the
LED light!
It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to lock out
the control stick or rudder pedals?
http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too expensive.
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned on. I'll
have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it could be
used as a theft tracking system as well.
You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will. So how
to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or scare
them off once they've broken in?
Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is opened.
http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like to rig
it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
Howard
--------
Howard Plevyak
GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Greetings,
I recall seeing home alarm systems that actually sprayed some sort of
tear gas automatically. Seems like it would work in a cockpit too.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 02:18 PM, plevyakh wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "plevyakh"<hplevyak@mac.com>
>
> Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note and
the LED light!
>
> It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to lock
out the control stick or rudder pedals?
>
> http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
>
> I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too expensive.
>
> http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
>
> I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned on.
I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it could
be used as a theft tracking system as well.
>
> You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will. So
how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or scare
them off once they've broken in?
>
> Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is opened.
>
> http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
>
> Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like to
rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
>
> Howard
>
> --------
> Howard Plevyak
> GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
> hplevyak@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339923#339923
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
My grandfather used to say that a lock is only to tell an honest man there's nobody
home. Keeping that in mind if possible remove your plugs (install blanks)
to immobilize the plane and don't leave any valuables aboard.
One of the reasons I wouldn't leave my plane on the local pond is one day while
preparing for a flight a good hearted elderly man took out his pocket knife to
check if the plane was actually made of cloth. Luckily I stopped him before
he cut a piece out to examine it.
The best way to secure your plane in my mind is to put it in a hangar and leave
the doors open. It's a lot easier to secure a steel building than a cloth plane.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of plevyakh
Sent: May 15, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in and stealing
the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea.but locks out the controls instead
with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
--------
Howard Plevyak
GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: May 15, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Lithium batteries redux
<nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
At 10:00 AM 5/15/2011, you wrote:
<noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>
>
>* Noel: Being that I am the guy who normally flies at MTOW the lighter the
>parts I carry aloft allow me to carry more fuel or cargo (read fishing
gear).
How often do you find yourself trading off between fuel
and cargo for the purpose of making a 15 pound adjustment?
I ask this in the context of using weight savings to drive
a decision to go lithium. Suppose your airplane was specifically
crafted for light weight in every detail. Dick Rutan had
bad dreams about bending the very-light rudder peddles
in Voyager . . . an airplane that had no paint on the bottoms
surface of the wings. Going lithium as one component of
many in the weight savings equation might make a whole lot
of sense. But I presume your airplane is pretty much the
same as every other example . . . so if you DO shave 15 pounds
out of a battery . . . how likely is it that you get an
attractive return on investment for that single savings?
Every flight I make I will trade off some weight for fuel on take off. The
ponds I go to are well beyond the range where gas stations can be found (
Rotax 912 = reg MOGAS) so if I want to get home I better have lots of fuel
on hand. BTW I have yet to land with less than an hour of gas remaining.
As for spending many hundreds of dollars for a high tech battery to save a
few pounds, let's just say we are not at that stage yet.
>Bob I'm interested on the reason the Star Ship disappeared. I felt it had
>great potential for markets where there were short paved runways. In fact
I
>was a little surprised when it wasn't taken up globally.
A whole host of reasons. It was rushed into production
without fully exploring all the ramifications of getting
the thing certified. We didn't know much about building
a composite airplane. The FAA knew less about certifying
one. We use a lot of "aluminum" techniques to build
a composite airplane. By the time certain certification
deficiencies were identified and 'beefed up', the airplane
came out 2000 pounds heavier than wished/planned for.
The thing was noisy inside. Some of our guys in the Targets
Division received a charter to play with some active noise
reduction techniques in the Starship cabin . . . no joy.
Things that got us all excited about uncle Burt's POC
aircraft did not come to pass in the production model.
Here's a pretty good short story on the rise and
fall of the Starship:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Starship
One of the best narratives on the Starship was
written by Peter Garrison which you can find here:
http://www.starshipdiaries.com/files/Flying%20Review.pdf
The airplane DID pioneer some firsts. Collins did
the first all glass cockpit tailored to a GA aircraft.
Over 150 distributed microprocessors. MUCH easier to
manage software to specific tasks. Then the FAA came
along and levied DO178 on software and the bureaucracies
of distributed processing became overwhelming. So now
we certify ONE chunk of do-everything software in
super-processors . . . UGH!
I got a call one day to see if I could assist a tech
in deducing a problem with a Starship de-ice controller.
Upon first sight of the thing spread out on the workbench
my first impulse was to turn around and walk back out.
The logic boards alone were on two nearly foot-square,
multi-layer ECB's with over 100 discrete logic chips
on each board. The drawing for the schematic was a roll
size thing about 8' long. I was told that the designer
received some kind of award for his efforts . . . and
left the company a short time later. Clearly not a
student of the elegant solution.
It's been an interesting line of speculative conversation
amongst my peers at Beech as to how things might have
been done differently under the design and marketing
philosophies of the Beech/Wallace/Lear schools.
While Starship was in development, I was working the
"Baby Starship" program (GP-180) at Learjet. THAT airplane
turned out to be the poor exec's hot rod. Mostly
aluminum built on very simple tooling, that airplane
was also a large catalog of firsts. Being a mostly
aluminum airplane, the performance goals were largely
met if not exceeded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti
Wichita has been a very interesting place to work
and to observe the evolution of general aviation.
It's a rich history of successes and failures . . .
and a harsh school of hard knocks for evolving
marketable recipes for success. I could not have
picked a better place to work.
Bob . . .
Thanks Bob I'll check the sites. Sounds like a replay of the old coffin
nose Cord or even the Edsel. Light years ahead of its time and not entirely
thought out.
Noel
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Subject: | Re: Lithium batteries redux |
What is "the old coffin nose Cord"?
Thanks.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 03:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Thanks Bob I'll check the sites. Sounds like a replay of the old coffin
> nose Cord or even the Edsel. Light years ahead of its time and not entirely
> thought out.
>
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Subject: | Re: Lithium batteries redux |
IMHO, one of the purtiest cars ever made....along with the
original Mercedes 300SL Gull wing and the Mercedes C111
(www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG):
The Cord: http://tinyurl.com/69rcv4d
Harley
-----------------------------------------------------------------
On 5/15/2011 5:04 PM, rayj wrote:
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> What is "the old coffin nose Cord"?
>
> Thanks.
>
> do not archive
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
> and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
>
> On 05/15/2011 03:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>> Thanks Bob I'll check the sites. Sounds like a replay of the
>> old coffin
>> nose Cord or even the Edsel. Light years ahead of its time
>> and not entirely
>> thought out.
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
If you set up a booby trap and someone gets injured, the perp will own
everything you have! This has happened on more than one occasion.
Do not set up a booby trap!
Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Greetings,
I recall seeing home alarm systems that actually sprayed some sort of
tear gas automatically. Seems like it would work in a cockpit too.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 02:18 PM, plevyakh wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "plevyakh"<hplevyak@mac.com>
>
> Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note
and the LED light!
>
> It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to
lock out the control stick or rudder pedals?
>
> http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
>
> I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too
expensive.
>
> http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
>
> I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned
on. I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it
could be used as a theft tracking system as well.
>
> You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will.
So how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or
scare them off once they've broken in?
>
> Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is
opened.
>
> http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
>
> Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like
to rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
>
> Howard
>
> --------
> Howard Plevyak
> GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
> hplevyak@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339923#339923
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Planes are not made of material that will prevent a thief from breaking in and
stealing avionics, etc. Alarms will not get anyone's attention. When is the
last time you came running over to some idiots car that was alarming!
The security that we have come to hate around airports should help some here.
To prevent the plane from being stolen, my solution is complexity.
To start my plane you must:
Turn on the master, turn on the engine battery, (one alone will not cut it, requires
both), turn on power to injectors, turn on power to igniters, turn on power
to engine computer, turn on power to fuel pump, set mixture to full rich,
give 2-3 squirts of primer, hit start button.
I ain't sayin' that crooks are too stupid to start my plane, but...as long as it
took me to figure it out....some intelligence needs to be rewarded!
Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of plevyakh
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in and stealing
the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea.but locks out the controls instead
with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
--------
Howard Plevyak
GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339905#339905
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Subject: | Beauty on 4-wheels |
At 05:28 PM 5/15/2011, you wrote:
>IMHO, one of the purtiest cars ever made....along with the original
>Mercedes 300SL Gull wing and the Mercedes C111
>(<http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG>www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG):
>
>The Cord: <http://tinyurl.com/69rcv4d>http://tinyurl.com/69rcv4d
As long as we're talking beauty on 4-wheels, how about
the '54 Olds F-88? Only three concept cars made. One
of them ended up in the hands of a Cord.
http://tinyurl.com/24o27zt
do not archive
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
>
> > Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note
>and the LED light!
How about this . . .
http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/AC_Theft_Protection.jpg
Hardened lock and chain covered in soft leather
or felt sleeve. REALLY hard and time consuming to
get off. Thieves are basically cowards and lazy. They
would move on to somebody else's airplane if they
had to deal with this 'inconvenience'.
We had clients on 1K1 opt for this system. Most
left their doors unlocked. It cost more to repair
doors than to replace radios on most of our
tenant aircraft.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Unsteelable Airplane (was Key Ignition Switch) |
Bill
I agree that you have a really difficult airplane to be stolen, but you also
have many points-of-failure .
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
> Sent: domingo, 15 de Maio de 2011 23:06
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
>
> <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
>
> Planes are not made of material that will prevent a thief from breaking in
and
> stealing avionics, etc. Alarms will not get anyone's attention. When is
the last time
> you came running over to some idiots car that was alarming!
>
> The security that we have come to hate around airports should help some
here.
>
> To prevent the plane from being stolen, my solution is complexity.
> To start my plane you must:
> Turn on the master, turn on the engine battery, (one alone will not cut
it, requires
> both), turn on power to injectors, turn on power to igniters, turn on
power to engine
> computer, turn on power to fuel pump, set mixture to full rich, give 2-3
squirts of
> primer, hit start button.
>
> I ain't sayin' that crooks are too stupid to start my plane, but...as long
as it took me
> to figure it out....some intelligence needs to be rewarded!
>
> Bill B
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
Yeaah but he can spray paint and get away with it
In a message dated 5/15/2011 4:56:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Bradburry"
<bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
If you set up a booby trap and someone gets injured, the perp will own
everything you have! This has happened on more than one occasion.
Do not set up a booby trap!
Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Greetings,
I recall seeing home alarm systems that actually sprayed some sort of
tear gas automatically. Seems like it would work in a cockpit too.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 02:18 PM, plevyakh wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "plevyakh"<hplevyak@mac.com>
>
> Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note
and the LED light!
>
> It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to
lock out the control stick or rudder pedals?
>
> http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
>
> I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too
expensive.
>
> http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
>
> I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned
on. I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if
it
could be used as a theft tracking system as well.
>
> You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will.
So how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or
scare them off once they've broken in?
>
> Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is
opened.
>
> http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
>
> Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like
to rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
>
> Howard
>
> --------
> Howard Plevyak
> GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
> hplevyak@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339923#339923
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
That might be legal some places south of the 49th but be careful it's not
considered a booby trap in your jurisdiction.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: May 15, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Greetings,
I recall seeing home alarm systems that actually sprayed some sort of
tear gas automatically. Seems like it would work in a cockpit too.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 02:18 PM, plevyakh wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "plevyakh"<hplevyak@mac.com>
>
> Some good ideas so far. Mike...I really like the simple one of the note
and the LED light!
>
> It would be interesting to see if this Gorilla lock could be adapted to
lock out the control stick or rudder pedals?
>
> http://www.gorilla-auto.com/the.gorilla.grip.3
>
> I came across this site for GPS tracking devices that don't look too
expensive.
>
> http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-tracking-a.html
>
> I will be putting in an APRS tracking device. But it has to be turned
on. I'll have to dig into the details on the APRS more and try to see if it
could be used as a theft tracking system as well.
>
> You raise a great point about if the thief wants to get in....they will.
So how to make them THINK....this airplane is too risky to break into? Or
scare them off once they've broken in?
>
> Here's one idea to use a high DB alarm that's triggered when the door is
opened.
>
> http://www.defenseproducts101.com/alarms4.html
>
> Anyone use a type of high DB alarm triggered by an opened door? I'd like
to rig it up with a keyless ON/OFF switch.
>
> Howard
>
> --------
> Howard Plevyak
> GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
> hplevyak@mac.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339923#339923
>
>
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
Sorry, every now and then I have to be reminded that not everyone follows
great car marques.
The coffin nose Cord (1937) was a front wheel drive super charged American
car that had a lot of firsts. Amongst many things, It was the first car to
have its headlights and tail lights built into the fenders and it had a
radio speaker mounted on the forward part of the roof so people in the rear
seat could also hear it. It also had a pneumatic pre-select transmission.
The idea of that is to make it impossible to miss a gear and grind the
tranny. Sometimes it actually worked. It got the name coffin nose because
the nose of the car between the fenders looked like a rounded coffin with
horizontal trims. I think it is a car that arguably could be one of the
five greatest cars ever made. In the list I'd also include the Bugatti type
88 Royale,(Howard Hughes had one) the Duisenberg model J, The Rolls Royce
Ghost (London -Edinburgh) and finally the Blower Bently.
Any of those cars should get well into seven figures today.
Gee am I ever a dreamer!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: May 15, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lithium batteries redux
What is "the old coffin nose Cord"?
Thanks.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 03:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Thanks Bob I'll check the sites. Sounds like a replay of the old coffin
> nose Cord or even the Edsel. Light years ahead of its time and not
entirely
> thought out.
>
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Subject: | Beauty on 4-wheels |
Nice choices.
Noel
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: May 15, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Beauty on 4-wheels
At 05:28 PM 5/15/2011, you wrote:
IMHO, one of the purtiest cars ever made....along with the original Mercedes
300SL Gull wing and the Mercedes C111 (
www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG
<http://www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG> ):
The Cord: http://tinyurl.com/69rcv4d
As long as we're talking beauty on 4-wheels, how about
the '54 Olds F-88? Only three concept cars made. One
of them ended up in the hands of a Cord.
http://tinyurl.com/24o27zt
do not archive
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Key Ignition Switch |
A couple of years ago I was involved with the ground movement of a B737... We
never did find the master... After several weeks we looked it up in the manual
to try the APU. After sitting for over five years it started right up ... textbook
style.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: May 15, 2011 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Planes are not made of material that will prevent a thief from breaking in and
stealing avionics, etc. Alarms will not get anyone's attention. When is the
last time you came running over to some idiots car that was alarming!
The security that we have come to hate around airports should help some here.
To prevent the plane from being stolen, my solution is complexity.
To start my plane you must:
Turn on the master, turn on the engine battery, (one alone will not cut it, requires
both), turn on power to injectors, turn on power to igniters, turn on power
to engine computer, turn on power to fuel pump, set mixture to full rich,
give 2-3 squirts of primer, hit start button.
I ain't sayin' that crooks are too stupid to start my plane, but...as long as it
took me to figure it out....some intelligence needs to be rewarded!
Bill B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of plevyakh
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
Folks,
I'd like to get some ideas from the forum on how best to secure my airplane.
My concern is both with stealing of the entire plane....to breaking in and stealing
the avionics.
What systems are folks using to secure the plane and it's innards?
What do you think would be the cheapest YET most effective?
Some ideas:
1) Propeller Lock / Chain:
- http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/12054
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/propLockChain.php
2) Door Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php
3) Throttle Lock
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/throttlelock.php
or
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/skylock.php
4) Battery Lock or Kill Switch
- http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/batterylock.php
- http://www.jegs.com/i/Flaming+River/898/FR1010/10002/-1
5) Stick Lock - similar to throttle lock idea.but locks out the controls instead
with a padlock and steel bar.
6) Aircraft Alarm System
- http://car-alarm-review.toptenreviews.com/viper-car-alarm-review.html
TIA for your thoughts.
Howard
--------
Howard Plevyak
GlaStar / North Bend, Ohio
hplevyak@mac.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339905#339905
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Subject: | Lithium batteries redux |
I like the 300SL too but it had some nasty handling characteristics not to
mention trying to back it up. Of course there is an argument that that car
should never go backwards! The C111 I didn't consider because it just has
no personality.
BTW I liked getting the side of the model J in your photo too. Now there's
a car with personality!
Noel
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley
Sent: May 15, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lithium batteries redux
IMHO, one of the purtiest cars ever made....along with the original Mercedes
300SL Gull wing and the Mercedes C111
(www.pistonheads.com/news/images/6730-1.JPG):
The Cord: http://tinyurl.com/69rcv4d
Harley
_____
On 5/15/2011 5:04 PM, rayj wrote:
<mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net> <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
What is "the old coffin nose Cord"?
Thanks.
do not archive
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 05/15/2011 03:52 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
Thanks Bob I'll check the sites. Sounds like a replay of the old coffin
nose Cord or even the Edsel. Light years ahead of its time and not entirely
thought out.
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Subject: | Unsteelable Airplane (was Key Ignition Switch) |
Carlos,
That is true. However, there is two of everything.
Bill B
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos
Trigo
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Unsteelable Airplane (was Key Ignition
Switch)
Bill
I agree that you have a really difficult airplane to be stolen, but you also
have many points-of-failure .
Carlos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
> Sent: domingo, 15 de Maio de 2011 23:06
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Key Ignition Switch
>
> <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
>
> Planes are not made of material that will prevent a thief from breaking in
and
> stealing avionics, etc. Alarms will not get anyone's attention. When is
the last time
> you came running over to some idiots car that was alarming!
>
> The security that we have come to hate around airports should help some
here.
>
> To prevent the plane from being stolen, my solution is complexity.
> To start my plane you must:
> Turn on the master, turn on the engine battery, (one alone will not cut
it, requires
> both), turn on power to injectors, turn on power to igniters, turn on
power to engine
> computer, turn on power to fuel pump, set mixture to full rich, give 2-3
squirts of
> primer, hit start button.
>
> I ain't sayin' that crooks are too stupid to start my plane, but...as long
as it took me
> to figure it out....some intelligence needs to be rewarded!
>
> Bill B
>
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