---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/24/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Harley) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Malcolm Ferguson) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (RV7ASask) 4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 5. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Andrew Zachar) 6. 10:56 AM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (John Ciolino) 7. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Dennis Golden) 8. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: Nav Data Headsets (Lynn Cole) 9. 02:09 PM - Nav Data Headsets (BobsV35B@aol.com) 10. 07:47 PM - Re: Nav Data Headsets (Lynn Cole) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:48 AM PST US From: Harley Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets Thank you, Kelly...I agree... I think it's a little naive to blame all hearing loss in pilots on flying/headsets (or lack of). A little more than a quarter of the people I know that are older than me (70+) have hearing aids, and NONE of them ever flew (including my dad who just started wearing one last year at age 96) other than in commercial planes. In fact, at age 69, my hearing is fine...despite a life of race cars, rock bands, motorcycles, and, oh yes, flying...the majority of the time with NO headsets! And, I was in an artillery battalion in the 60s...nothing like an 8" gun going off right next to you! There are many reasons for hearing loss...and many people who don't have any despite what one may have considered risky behavior in their lives. Harley ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yes, but many of us lost our high frequency hearing courtesy of > that little distraction we had occupying the lives of high > school graduates, brought to us by Ike, JFK, LBJ and Tricky > Dick. Flying was one of the few pleasurable things we could do > while waiting for the next set of orders to proceed to the > nearest flight across the Pacific. Only benefit is VA providing > the hearing aids gratis. > > On 6/23/2011 4:49 PM, John Cox wrote: >> I belong to an Aviation club where the average membership age >> is 68. Most of the members over 50 begin pursuit of hearing >> aids from the flights back in the 60's & 70's. >> John Cox >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:11 AM PST US From: "Malcolm Ferguson" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets I use a homemade headset similar to the Clarity Aloft using the mic and preamp of an old headset and these little beauties: http://www.cep-usa.com/id23.htm They place the speaker in your ear canal with a foam tip attached-very quiet and comfortable. I have significant hearing loss and wear hearings aids and the homemade set is the only one I have confidence in talking to ATC. My other headset is a Telex Stratus 50D and my wife uses Bose. For clarity I rate my homemade set No 1, the Telex No 2 and the Bose No 3. For quietness Bose No 1, 50D No 2, Mine No 3. Comfort Mine No 1, 50D No 2, Bose No 3( I have largish ears that don't fit that well in the small Bose cup) An inline pot controls volume. For amazing quiet I sometimes put the Telex over my homemade set. Malcolm Ferguson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:58 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Nav Data Headsets From: "RV7ASask" Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair" days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset My 2 cents Regards David Lamb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343982#343982 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:44 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Nav Data Headsets At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote: Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair" days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the radio with some local hams. One of them was needing a lightweight headset that would let him listen to a radio in a busy office (emergency operations center) but anything that pressed on or covered his ears was uncomfortable. We tossed around some ideas. After several passes at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds with nice foam seals. He said that he could not wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which they were designed but he fashioned a head band from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld. With simple manipulation of the wire, he could get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear canal without actually forcing anything into the ear. Since the seal to the outside world was still quite effective, noise attenuation was on a par with foam ear-plugs. The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises to 1% or less. This combination of head-set and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical, low cost and effective solution. Telex had a super-light headset way back when with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear them for more than an hour. Kept them many years as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier but very seldom needed them. The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance matching transformer to work well with the higher impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter study is needed. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Nav Data Headsets From: Andrew Zachar I did a DIY headset after studying some of the guys on vaf for awhile. I haven't actually flown with it yet (or really figured out a good way to attach the microphone to my head), but initial tests with the impedance matching and volume control work well). I use Klipsh S4 headphones with this setup, they are awesome in-ear headphones, cost $80 and are marketed (in consumer reviews) as sounding like the $300 audiophile in-ear headphones. Here's the link to my page describing the DIY portion: http://n999za.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/roll-your-own-in-ear-headset/. I need to try them out in an RV to see how they'll work in my future rv-7. -Andrew On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III < nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com> wrote: > nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com**> > > > At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote: > > Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours > over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet > Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.**com/It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: > Quiet as an ANR headset > Clearer audio - critical to communication > Unbelievably lightweight > Rugged design > Long-distance flying comfort > Inexpensive replacement ear tips > No head-squeeze > No sweaty earmuffs > No "bad hair" days > Easy to carry and pack > LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset > > A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the > radio with some local hams. One of them was needing > a lightweight headset that would let him listen to > a radio in a busy office (emergency operations > center) but anything that pressed on or covered > his ears was uncomfortable. > > We tossed around some ideas. After several passes > at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds > with nice foam seals. He said that he could not > wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which > they were designed but he fashioned a head band > from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached > to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld. > With simple manipulation of the wire, he could > get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear > canal without actually forcing anything into > the ear. Since the seal to the outside world > was still quite effective, noise attenuation > was on a par with foam ear-plugs. > > The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db > attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises > to 1% or less. This combination of head-set > and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical, > low cost and effective solution. > > Telex had a super-light headset way back when > with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples > to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were > still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few > months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept > in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset > but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to > be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear > them for more than an hour. Kept them many years > as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier > but very seldom needed them. > > The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance > matching transformer to work well with the higher > impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter > study is needed. > > > Bob . . . > > -- Andrew Zachar andrew.d.zachar@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:26 AM PST US From: "John Ciolino" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets Harley, I have a Dave Clark 13.4 headset that is used but in fairly good condition that I'll sell to you for $75 plus shipping. It needs a new mic muff but has the Oregon Aero ear pad upgrade as well as the DC gel pads. If interested respond off-line to johnciolino@comcast.net. John Ciolino From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 8:48 AM Subject: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets Time to replace my 20+ year old Telex headsets. Been looking around and am interested in the Nav Data headset ( www.navdatakneeboard.com/index.html ). ANR is not necessary, as I'll modify my headset to ANR if I feel I need it (Headsets Inc.). So these seem like a pretty good choice. The price is right, and judging by the information, they are a US company (Florida). They are being sold at ACS, Tropicaero, The Pilot shop and several other pilot supply stores. But I can't find any reviews on them. Has anyone any experience with them? Or know anyone who has? Or opinions? Harley Dixon Long EZ N28EZ Canandaigua, NY ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:00 AM PST US From: Dennis Golden Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Nav Data Headsets On 06/24/2011 08:12 AM, RV7ASask wrote: > > > Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve > hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than > the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a > foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR > headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably > lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive > replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair" > days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset > > My 2 cents Regards David Lamb I bought two sets at Oshkosh a few years ago. My wife and I both love them. -- Dennis Golden Golden Consulting Services, Inc. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:49 PM PST US From: Lynn Cole Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Nav Data Headsets I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the engine). The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the noise. If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I have to shout to break the squelch. Any solutions to this problem? Lynn Cole LynnCole@foxvalley.net On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > > > At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote: > > > Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve > hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than > the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It is a > foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: > Quiet as an ANR headset > Clearer audio - critical to communication > Unbelievably lightweight > Rugged design > Long-distance flying comfort > Inexpensive replacement ear tips > No head-squeeze > No sweaty earmuffs > No "bad hair" days > Easy to carry and pack > LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset > > A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the > radio with some local hams. One of them was needing > a lightweight headset that would let him listen to > a radio in a busy office (emergency operations > center) but anything that pressed on or covered > his ears was uncomfortable. > > We tossed around some ideas. After several passes > at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds > with nice foam seals. He said that he could not > wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which > they were designed but he fashioned a head band > from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached > to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld. > With simple manipulation of the wire, he could > get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear > canal without actually forcing anything into > the ear. Since the seal to the outside world > was still quite effective, noise attenuation > was on a par with foam ear-plugs. > > The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db > attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises > to 1% or less. This combination of head-set > and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical, > low cost and effective solution. > > Telex had a super-light headset way back when > with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples > to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were > still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few > months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept > in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset > but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to > be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear > them for more than an hour. Kept them many years > as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier > but very seldom needed them. > > The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance > matching transformer to work well with the higher > impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter > study is needed. > > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:15 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets Good Afternoon Lynn, Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that fits over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound can get through. That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I am confident that my Stearman is at least as noisy an environment as is your Cessna 140! Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they came with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets. You might give it a try. Happy Skies, Old Bob PS Which Fox Valley are you in? There is one nearby my Downers Grove, IL home. In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, LynnCole@foxvalley.net writes: I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no mufflers on the engine). The problem that I have is that the microphone picks up the noise. If I turn the squelch up so it doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I have to shout to break the squelch. Any solutions to this problem? Lynn Cole _LynnCole@foxvalley.net_ (mailto:LynnCole@foxvalley.net) On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: <_nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com_ (mailto:nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com) > At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote: <_rv7alamb@sasktel.net_ (mailto:rv7alamb@sasktel.net) > Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset than the Quiet Technologies. _http://www.quiettechnologies.com_ (http://www.quiettechnologies.com/) / It is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: Quiet as an ANR headset Clearer audio - critical to communication Unbelievably lightweight Rugged design Long-distance flying comfort Inexpensive replacement ear tips No head-squeeze No sweaty earmuffs No "bad hair" days Easy to carry and pack LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the radio with some local hams. One of them was needing a lightweight headset that would let him listen to a radio in a busy office (emergency operations center) but anything that pressed on or covered his ears was uncomfortable. We tossed around some ideas. After several passes at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds with nice foam seals. He said that he could not wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which they were designed but he fashioned a head band from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld. With simple manipulation of the wire, he could get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear canal without actually forcing anything into the ear. Since the seal to the outside world was still quite effective, noise attenuation was on a par with foam ear-plugs. The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises to 1% or less. This combination of head-set and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical, low cost and effective solution. Telex had a super-light headset way back when with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear them for more than an hour. Kept them many years as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier but very seldom needed them. The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance matching transformer to work well with the higher impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter study is needed. Bob . . . - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - --> _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List) - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:50 PM PST US From: Lynn Cole Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Nav Data Headsets I'm at C77. Lynn Cole LynnCole@foxvalley.net On Jun 24, 2011, at 4:04 PM, BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Good Afternoon Lynn, > > Don't know if it will help, but I have a small leather sleeve that > fits over the boom mike. It has a couple of holes where the sound > can get through. That is what I use for my open cockpit Stearman. I > am confident that my Stearman is at least as noisy an environment > as is your Cessna 140! > > Not sure where I got the leather sleeves, but I kinda think they > came with the David Clark headsets used in my cloth helmets. > > You might give it a try. > > Happy Skies, > > Old Bob > > PS Which Fox Valley are you in? There is one nearby my Downers > Grove, IL home. > > In a message dated 6/24/2011 3:35:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > LynnCole@foxvalley.net writes: > I have a 1946 Cessna 140 that has a very noisy interior (no > mufflers on the engine). The problem that I have is that the > microphone picks up the noise. If I turn the squelch up so it > doesn't continuously pick up the noise, I have to shout to break > the squelch. Any solutions to this problem? > Lynn Cole > LynnCole@foxvalley.net > > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: > >> >> >> At 08:12 AM 6/24/2011, you wrote: >> >> >> Everyone has their favorite headset. On a recent flight of twelve >> hours over two days I couldn't have asked for a better headset >> than the Quiet Technologies. http://www.quiettechnologies.com/ It >> is a foamie in the ear type. Their advertising says: >> Quiet as an ANR headset >> Clearer audio - critical to communication >> Unbelievably lightweight >> Rugged design >> Long-distance flying comfort >> Inexpensive replacement ear tips >> No head-squeeze >> No sweaty earmuffs >> No "bad hair" days >> Easy to carry and pack >> LOWEST PRICE of any insert headset >> >> A few years ago I had a headset discussion on the >> radio with some local hams. One of them was needing >> a lightweight headset that would let him listen to >> a radio in a busy office (emergency operations >> center) but anything that pressed on or covered >> his ears was uncomfortable. >> >> We tossed around some ideas. After several passes >> at an experiment, he settled on some $10 ear buds >> with nice foam seals. He said that he could not >> wear them with the usual 'wedge' fit for which >> they were designed but he fashioned a head band >> from coat hangar wire. The buds were attached >> to loops at the ends of the wire with JB Weld. >> With simple manipulation of the wire, he could >> get exactly the pressure he wanted on the ear >> canal without actually forcing anything into >> the ear. Since the seal to the outside world >> was still quite effective, noise attenuation >> was on a par with foam ear-plugs. >> >> The poorest of foam ear plugs offers 20+ db >> attenuation . . . . reduction of ambient noises >> to 1% or less. This combination of head-set >> and stock hand-held microphone proved a practical, >> low cost and effective solution. >> >> Telex had a super-light headset way back when >> with 'insert' technology. They gave some samples >> to Cessna flight test guys. None of them were >> still in the hands of a flight test pilot a few >> months later. I ended up with a pair that I kept >> in my flight bag. They 'worked' fine as a headset >> but had small, hard plastic tips that needed to >> be wedged into the ear canal. I couldn't wear >> them for more than an hour. Kept them many years >> as 'backup' to the audio isolation amplifier >> but very seldom needed them. >> >> The DIY earbud solution might need an impedance >> matching transformer to work well with the higher >> impedance aviation headset circuits . . . furhter >> study is needed. >> >> >> Bob . . . >> >> - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - >> <> >> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> http://forums.matronics.com >> - List Contribution Web Site - >> <>-Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List >> ======================== Web href="http:// >> forums.matronics.com/">http:// >> forums.matronics.com========================= -Matt com/ >> contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// >> www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message aeroelectric-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/aeroelectric-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.