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2. 05:15 AM - Re: Viking Engine (dj45)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Circuit Design Software (Harley)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Mike Welch)
6. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Tim Olson)
7. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (b d)
8. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Mike Welch)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (DeWitt (Dee) Whittington)
10. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 07:57 AM - Re: Circuit Design Software (Bill Watson)
12. 03:45 PM - HD Sub-D Crimper (MLWynn@aol.com)
13. 04:10 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Stein Bruch)
14. 04:43 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (MLWynn@aol.com)
15. 04:53 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bob McCallum)
16. 05:26 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert Sultzbach)
17. 05:43 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bill Bradburry)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bob McCallum)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: Viking Engine (Bob McCallum)
20. 06:35 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert Borger)
21. 06:38 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
22. 07:10 PM - Re: Viking Engine (dj45)
23. 07:10 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bill Watson)
24. 07:17 PM - Re: Viking Engine (Bill Watson)
25. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (ronburnett@charter.net)
26. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (John Morgensen)
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7/11/2011
Hello Robert Taylor, You wrote:
1) "...... my paperwork does not indicate that I am the "manufacturer". My
bad."
Thank you for your response and for confiming that information.
2) "....... I do think that I can put whatever equipment I wish into my
aircraft."
Almost true, but see these words extracted from the introduction to the
attached table:
"However, depending upon other portions of the FAR's, some items in certain
circumstances must not only be installed in experimental amateur built
aircraft, but must interface properly with ATC (Air Traffic Control)
equipment, other aircraft, or other entities external to the aircraft.
Altitude encoders, Transponders, communication radios, exterior lighting,
some IFR navigation equipment, and ELT's (Emergency Locator Transmitters)
are examples of such equipment."
If equipment that must interface properly with entities external to the
aircraft has been installed in the E-AB aircraft and the FAA requires
equipment markings (such as a TSO), or, alternatively, testing to prove
proper functioning, and the equipment installed does not interface properly,
or is not properly marked, or has not been tested to the FAA's satisfaction,
then they can demand that the aircraft not operate with that equipment.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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Time: 12:47:06 PM PST US
From: "Robert Taylor" <Flydad57@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ADBS-B Out
Just to close the loop regarding some comments I made the other day, my
paperwork does not indicate that I am the "manufacturer". My bad. It DOES
show the MAKE of my aircraft to be a Taylor, Robert D.. That's what lead me
to think it said I was the manufacturer. I was not looking to be the
maufacturer in order to gleen some advantage via the regulations, I just
thought (mistakenly) that that was what the paperwork said.
Regardless the above, I do think that I can put whatever equipment I wish
into my aircraft.
Bob Taylor
TigerCub N657RT
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
Rick,
Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the better.
--------
Do not archive
Dan Stanton
N801S CH 801
N226BS CH701
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345888#345888
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Subject: | Re: Circuit Design Software |
Morning, John...
As Bob said, there are many! And there are some open source free
ones out there as well. And they are all different in their
commands and useability.
I started with Generic Cadd at work back in the early '80s
because the pharmaceutical company I worked for didn't have any
IT department then and I had to buy my own computer and
software...Gcadd was cheap then ($99).
After a few years, when they started supplying Autocad at work, I
stuck with GCadd so as not to have to learn something new. My
work (production equipment and control design) was not involved
with the building engineering where the Autocad was used, so I
was allowed to do so.
I liked GCADD better than Autocad anyway, as I could work
faster...GCADD used two letter commands for the drawing options
as well as the standard icons or menu options that one had to
hunt down to select. It was fast and easy with the left hand
doing the selecting on the keyboard and the right doing the
drawing with the trackball.
So, I've stuck with it through the years. Generic Cadd is now
Visual CADD and works the same way. I would never change now.
So, find one that you can use and like (for example, Visual Cadd,
www.tritools.com , has full function demo for 30 days then you
can either just drop it or buy it...I believe many others do as
well.)
Or select one of the open source freebies ( for example,
http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ )
Note that most of them will be able to use the symbols you need.
Although their are differences, the format is pretty standard and
can be found all over the internet for downloading (
www.caddprimer.com/CAD_Symbols_symbol_library/CAD_symbol_symbols_library.htm
). Or, as Bob said, just open any of his drawings and extract the
symbols. Or, as I do, just make your own...any item you draw in
Cad can be saved as a symbol.
They all have their own level of difficulty, but once you've
learned what you need to know about one of them, the rest are
easier...so start with one, learn what you can, then try a few
others until you find one that you like.
Harley
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>
> HI all,
>
> Anyone suggest easy to use CAD software? One that has the
> appropriate symbols (Starter Relays etc).
>
> Cheers
>
> John MacCallum
>
> Builder # 41016
>
> VH-DUU
>
> **
>
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Subject: | VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question |
At 09:26 PM 7/10/2011, you wrote:
>Bob,
>
>I understand and appreciate your comments, but you didn't address my
>questions regarding Option 3. I understand your opinion on
>KISS. But I was attempting to understand is there are any negative
>attributes with having two current paths when the aux battery
>contactor is closed on Option 3? I believe I understand the
>complexities and how to perform for a Plan B.
>
>My concern for option 1, is that I will never truly know the state
>of both batteries since they both are online. I only want to link
>both batteries for occasional starts in cold weather when I may need
>a stronger battery. So 99% of the time, I'll leave the battery
>isolated. I then need a mechanism to ensure that the Aux battery is charged.
There is no better way to charge multiple
batteries than to hook them in parallel.
Why isolated? The battery will be happier
if it's used right along side the main
battery.
>I understand that I truly will never know the exact length the aux
>battery will last, but I will know that I can get x% of its rated
>value. Then it's just a question of how conservative I want to be
>with the numbers. In reality, it's head for the nearest airport and
>stop the flight even though I know I may have longer time on the aux battery.
If you don't know the capacity of your batteries,
then you don't have a Plan-B. Having a confident
Plan-B means that you've periodically confirmed
the capacity of both batteries and compared those
numbers with Plan-B energy requirements for
endurance. If your plan is to land at nearest
airport, then a single battery of known capacity
will suffice. You're going to be carrying around
a lot of lead and plastic to satisfy a purpose that
a reasonably maintained main battery will do
nicely.
Option 3 would put some degree of charge on
the second battery . . . slightly less than
the main battery due to diode drop. My personal
preference would be to run both batteries in
parallel all the time. Separate them to specific
predictable tasks when you get a low volts
warning. But since your design goals do not
call for endurance to airport of intended
destination, perhaps the second battery
is overkill.
Bob . . .
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob
>
>
>Description: Description: http://aerosportproducts.com/bob/Opti
>
>
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Robert L. Nuckolls, III
>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:41 PM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question
>
>
>My requirements are:
> * Ability to have both batteries on main bus for additional cold
> cranking capability
> * Ability to isolate the second battery to the endurance battery bus
> * Ability to charge the isolated battery
>
>
>In looking at the recommendations in the Vertical Power manual, Dual
>battery Option #1 meets the first two requirements. Option #2 meets
>the last two requirements. So my question is will a hybrid design,
>like Option #3 meet all requirements? Are there any negative
>attributes with having two current paths when the aux battery
>contactor is closed?
>
>
> Option 1 is the simplest way to add a second
> battery which is why it is featured in Figure Z-30.
> If you want to a battery maintainer for both
> batteries, a maintainer plug that puts the
> two batteries in parallel for storage takes
> care of the 'charging' issue.
>
> You need to think through the failure modes
> and the precise way in which the duties of the
> two batteries are partitioned during an alternator
> out condition. Do an energy study for the two
> duties and make sure the batteries are sized for
> your endurance goals (x number electro whizzies for
> y hours of operation) assuming also that you're going
> to periodically cap-check the two batteries for
> insuring those goals are achievable.
>
> The precise manner in which you add the second battery
> is not terribly important. The care with which you
> craft and maintain Plan-B is very important. This
> pre-supposes that your engine is electrically dependent
> and/or you're going to spend a lot of time in situations
> were the dark panel syndrome causes you to break a
> sweat.
>
> Given the way 99% of OBAM aviation flights are conducted,
> and assuming that you have one mag on the engine, then
> Plan-B might be something like this . . .
>
><http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/Vacination_for_Dark_Panel_Syndrom.pdf>http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/Vacination_for_Dark_Panel_Syndrom.pdf
>
>
> for a whole lot less weight, a ton more reliability
> and lower cost of ownership. This has been my personal
> Plan-B over the last 30 years and 1000+ hours. It
> works good every time and in any airplane I rent.
>
>
> Bob . . ..
>
>No virus found in this message.
>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
>
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
> Rick=2C
> Fine by me=2C the more guys that know what they are getting into the bett
er.
>
> --------
> Do not archive
>
> Dan Stanton
> N801S CH 801
> N226BS CH701
Dan=2C Rick=2C members=2C
With the way the economy has been lately=2C but sometimes during good tim
es=2C too=2C
some disreputable company's go out of business=2C with the specific intent
on stealing
buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full)=2C
for a product
they never intended on delivering.
How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's doo
rs=2C but
not without first taking dozens of poor=2C unsuspecting buyer's multi-thou
sand dollar deposits??
Way too often=2C if you ask me. IMO=2C these thieves should be prosecuted
=2C their assets taken=2C
and the buyer's deposits fully refunded.
I am not making a direct comment toward Viking=2C I know NOTHING about th
e company itself=2C
but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS before
you get your
product=2C is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building match
books or 777's=2C
payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the unscrupulo
us owner of the
business to just take the customer's $$$ and run!
For me=2C if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future=2C
I would ONLY use an
"ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected transact
ion=2C or they
don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times=2C and I dar
n sure intend on
keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!"
Okay=2C I'll get off my soapbox now.
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
Man, this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard
of a while back with a different engine company. That
one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
>
> > Rick,
> > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the
> better.
> >
> > --------
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Dan Stanton
> > N801S CH 801
> > N226BS CH701
>
> Dan, Rick, members,
>
> With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good
> times, too,
> some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent
> on stealing
> buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full),
> for a product
> they never intended on delivering.
>
> How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's
> doors, but
> not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's
> multi-thousand dollar deposits??
> Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted,
> their assets taken,
> and the buyer's deposits fully refunded.
>
> _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_, I know NOTHING about
> the company itself,
> but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS
> before you get your
> product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building
> matchbooks or 777's,
> payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the
> unscrupulous owner of the
> business to just take the customer's $$$ and run!
>
> For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I
> would ONLY use an
> "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected
> transaction, or they
> don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I
> darn sure intend on
> keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!"
>
> Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.
>
> Mike Welch
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
The idea of using an Escrow Company is very sound and prudent advice. This
company sounds like it has a great idea almost perfected but it's using
peoples deposits for continued R&D to get across the "Start line" which is
not right. I hope this company get's some investors and continues with it's
ideas but the way they appear to be going about it will only serve to shut
their doors and make enemies. If they start with a bad reputation, they are
self defeating.
Positive advertisement and marketing is very expensive and very inefficient
however negative advertisement expands and propagates like a wild fire in
the Santa Anna winds.
I like their idea and we need good engines for small aircraft but they need
to be upfront and honest or they will be shooting themselves in the foot.
My FYI or CYA suggestion to Viking is to get ahead of this negativism, make
things right and move on. I like what I see so far but "negative
advertisement" can destroy a great idea. Great innovators are not always
great communicators or business people. I know from my own experiences. I've
seen comments on other lists as well so , , , , .
bruce
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Rick,
> > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the
> better.
> >
> > --------
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Dan Stanton
> > N801S CH 801
> > N226BS CH701
>
> Dan, Rick, members,
>
> With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good
> times, too,
> some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent on
> stealing
> buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full),
> for a product
> they never intended on delivering.
>
> How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's
> doors, but
> not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's
> multi-thousand dollar deposits??
> Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted,
> their assets taken,
> and the buyer's deposits fully refunded.
>
> *I am not making a direct comment toward Viking*, I know NOTHING about
> the company itself,
> but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS before
> you get your
> product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building
> matchbooks or 777's,
> payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the
> unscrupulous owner of the
> business to just take the customer's $$$ and run!
>
> For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I
> would ONLY use an
> "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected
> transaction, or they
> don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I darn
> sure intend on
> keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!"
>
> Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.
>
> Mike Welch
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
Tim=2C
Interesting how Dan says he just off the phone with "Jan". Like I said
=2C I know
nothing about Viking engines=2C but I am familiar with "Jan Eggenfellner".
Maybe Jan
E. needed another 'bite at the customer's apple' for some more deposit mone
y.
If this is so=2C it's too bad. It sure does look like a quality auto con
version engine=2C but
the product alone is never the whole enchilada....you have to have an hones
t business
that you're dealing with=2C too=2C or what Dan is experiencing is what you
get.
Mike
>
> Man=2C this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard
> of a while back with a different engine company. That
> one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM=2C Mike Welch wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Rick=2C
> > > Fine by me=2C the more guys that know what they are getting into the
> > better.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Do not archive
> > >
> > > Dan Stanton
> > > N801S CH 801
> > > N226BS CH701
> >
> > Dan=2C Rick=2C members=2C
> >
> > With the way the economy has been lately=2C but sometimes during good
> > times=2C too=2C
> > some disreputable company's go out of business=2C with the specific int
ent
> > on stealing
> > buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full)
=2C
> > for a product
> > they never intended on delivering.
> >
> > How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's
> > doors=2C but
> > not without first taking dozens of poor=2C unsuspecting buyer's
> > multi-thousand dollar deposits??
> > Way too often=2C if you ask me. IMO=2C these thieves should be prosecut
ed=2C
> > their assets taken=2C
> > and the buyer's deposits fully refunded.
> >
> > _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_=2C I know NOTHING abou
t
> > the company itself=2C
> > but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS
> > before you get your
> > product=2C is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building
> > matchbooks or 777's=2C
> > payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the
> > unscrupulous owner of the
> > business to just take the customer's $$$ and run!
> >
> > For me=2C if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future
=2C I
> > would ONLY use an
> > "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected
> > transaction=2C or they
> > don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times=2C and I
> > darn sure intend on
> > keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!"
> >
> > Okay=2C I'll get off my soapbox now.
> >
> > Mike Welch
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
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>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
The Jan Eggenfellner of Eggenfellner Subaru Engines is the one and same
person as the owner of Viking Engines. Look carefully at his web site
"Contact" page: http://www.vikingaircraftengines.com/contact/Contacts.html
AND http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/contact/Contact.html.
Dee
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Man, this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard
> of a while back with a different engine company. That
> one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > Rick,
>> > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the
>> better.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>> > Dan Stanton
>> > N801S CH 801
>> > N226BS CH701
>>
>> Dan, Rick, members,
>>
>> With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good
>> times, too,
>> some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent
>> on stealing
>> buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full),
>> for a product
>> they never intended on delivering.
>>
>> How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's
>> doors, but
>> not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's
>> multi-thousand dollar deposits??
>> Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted,
>> their assets taken,
>> and the buyer's deposits fully refunded.
>>
>> _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_, I know NOTHING about
>> the company itself,
>> but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS
>> before you get your
>> product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building
>> matchbooks or 777's,
>> payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the
>> unscrupulous owner of the
>> business to just take the customer's $$$ and run!
>>
>> For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I
>> would ONLY use an
>> "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected
>> transaction, or they
>> don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I
>> darn sure intend on
>> keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!"
>>
>> Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.
>>
>> Mike Welch
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
--
DeWitt Whittington
www.VirginiaFlyIn.org
Building Glasair Sportsman with 3 partners
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
These stories go waaaayyyyy back. One Jim Bede was a hot
number operating out of Newton, KS when I was in high
school. I think Bert Rutan worked with Jim at one time.
The airplanes were exciting but the business model was
a financial disaster. Interesting thing is, he cranked
up again in St. Louis with a jet and repeated the
process all over again. Sounds like that's what
Viking is all about.
Caveat emptor.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Circuit Design Software |
If you are just looking for something to document your electrical
system, you might consider ExpressSCH:
http://www.expresspcb.com/expresspcbhtm/download.htm
It appears to be free software that can be used to design custom
boards. I used just the SCHematic part to document my entire electrical
system. It doesn't have most of the components (symbols) we use in our
aircraft but I found it pretty easy to create my own.
It has just enough 'smarts' to act like a electrical schematic tool
should, rather than a drawing tool. A long way from a CAD program but a
step closer to what you might want than a universal drawing tool or
Powerpoint.
(I'd show you a sample but I'm not at home)
Bill "dripping sweat all over the project" Watson
On 7/10/2011 7:13 PM, John MacCallum wrote:
>
> HI all,
>
> Anyone suggest easy to use CAD software? One that has the appropriate
> symbols (Starter Relays etc).
>
> Cheers
>
> John MacCallum
>
> Builder # 41016
>
> VH-DUU
>
>
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high
density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular
pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about
$365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not
a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper
you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper.
It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge!
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MLWynn@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density
sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins,
but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365.
I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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Subject: | Re: HD Sub-D Crimper |
Outstanding. I though the only option was the really high quality
Daniels. I couldn't see investing that much in a professional tool for my
occasional use.
You realize, of course, this is why people speak so highly of your
business.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
In a message dated 7/11/2011 4:11:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
stein@steinair.com writes:
Don=99t go spending that much =93 I love taking your money,
but that=99s just
not a good deal! We=99re going to send you the High Density die for
the
crimper you already haveit=99ll turn your B&C crimper into
an HD capable crimper.
It=99ll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge!
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn
@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high
density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regul
ar
pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for abou
t
$365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
Now that's customer service! I'd like to hope everyone will take note and
remember Steinair appropriately when needing items or services which they
carry.
I'm not yet a customer let alone associated in any way, but sure will be if
and when I need items they carry. That's the type of treatment that deserves
return loyalty.
Good for you Stein.
Bob McC
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein
Bruch
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not
a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper
you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper.
It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge!
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MLWynn@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density
sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins,
but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365.
I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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Subject: | Re: HD Sub-D Crimper |
Stein,
It is nice to see a classy act such as yours. I will remember this when
I have electrical needs for my RV-8A. Good show!
Bob Sultzbach
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:07, "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> wrote:
> Don=99t go spending that much =93 I love taking your money, bu
t that=99s just not a good deal! We=99re going to send you the H
igh Density die for the crimper you already haveit=99ll turn y
our B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It=99ll be coming your wa
y with your new goodies free of charge!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stein
>
>
>
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelect
ric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high densi
ty sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins,
but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365.
I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Michael Wynn
>
> RV 8 wiring
>
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
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>
>
>
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
Stein,
That is a class act! But I didn't realize that the RCT-3 crimper had
interchangeable/replaceable dies??
Bill B
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein
Bruch
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not
a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper
you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper.
It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge!
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MLWynn@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density
sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins,
but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365.
I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
I believe that it is the positioner for setting the pin depth that changes
not the actual die itself. There was a thread about this very thing a short
while ago, if memory serves. Bob and/or Stein can confirm.
Bob McC
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Bradburry
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Stein,
That is a class act! But I didn't realize that the RCT-3 crimper had
interchangeable/replaceable dies??
Bill B
_____
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein
Bruch
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not
a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper
you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper.
It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge!
Cheers,
Stein
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MLWynn@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper
Hi all,
I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density
sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins,
but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365.
I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources?
Thanks,
Michael Wynn
RV 8 wiring
San Ramon, CA
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It's interesting to note that on the Viking engine website here;
http://tinyurl.com/69whowh there are photographs of engines on the shipping
dock (or at least crates purporting to be engines) and it says that next
weeks shipments go to Daniel Stanton, Christopher Leng, Glen Sterling,
Richard Monroe and Burton Harger .
I understand frustration, and certainly no customer deserves to be hung up
on, but is there a chance that this dissatisfaction could be premature??
Don't know of course when that page was updated and whether or not it is
current but some effort to deliver seems to be being made.
Bob McC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dj45
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:23 AM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Viking Engine
>
<daniel-stanton1@comcast.net>
>
> Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300
deposit
> since Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my
engine yet.
> I called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got after that was voice
mail.
> I don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him.
>
> --------
> Do not archive
>
> Dan Stanton
> N801S CH 801
> N226BS CH701
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345736#345736
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: HD Sub-D Crimper |
Stein,
You have moved to the top of my electronics needs provider.
Blue skie & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
rlborger@mac.com
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Stein Bruch wrote:
> Don=92t go spending that much ' I love taking your money, but that=92s
just not a good deal! We=92re going to send you the High Density die
for the crimper you already have=85it=92ll turn your B&C crimper into an
HD capable crimper. It=92ll be coming your way with your new goodies
free of charge!
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
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Subject: | HD Sub-D Crimper |
At 08:08 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote:
>I believe that it is the positioner for setting the pin depth that
>changes not the actual die itself. There was a thread about this
>very thing a short while ago, if memory serves. Bob and/or Stein can confirm.
Yup, added these to my catalog several months ago
as did Stein . . .
Emacs!
We make them here.
Bob . . .
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
Bob McC
That entry was on June 2nd.
I did receive an email stating that my engine would ship on tues. July 11.
I hope so, because I really do think that he has a good idea.
It is too bad that I had to resort to posting to get him to deliver an engine after
all the talk.
--------
Do not archive
Dan Stanton
N801S CH 801
N226BS CH701
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346000#346000
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
Yep, I found the whole site very interesting and amazingly compelling.
On 7/11/2011 9:28 PM, Bob McCallum wrote:
>
> *It's interesting to note that on the Viking engine website here;
> http://tinyurl.com/69whowh there are photographs of engines on the
> shipping dock (or at least crates purporting to be engines) and it
> says that next weeks shipments go to *Daniel Stanton, Christopher
> Leng, Glen Sterling, Richard Monroe and Burton Harger .
>
> *I understand frustration, and certainly no customer deserves to be
> hung up on, but is there a chance that this dissatisfaction could be
> premature??*
>
> *Don't know of course when that page was updated and whether or not it
> is current but some effort to deliver seems to be being made. *
>
> **
>
> *Bob McC*
>
> **
>
> **
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
I am an Eggenfellner customer buying one of the original Subaru H-4
engines. I am aware that there are no doubt some legitimate complaints
about deliveries of engines and props in some cases and delivery
schedules slid considerably in many cases. I do not believe any
problems were deliberate, but due to overoptimistim and subcontracting
problems as well as others I don't pretend to know.
I believe his Honda engine would be excellent and I would consider one
if I were to build a LSA. He continues to sell me needed supplies, if
they are available in his inventory. Putting information online is
damaging to a small business and can end up hurting the very support you
need the most.
Have flown my RV-6A for 53 hours now and am enjoying it very much.
buying 91 octane is much cheaper than 100LL BY about $1.50/gal.
Good luck and let's share our successes and help our alternative engine
community.
Ron Burnett
M71 Greensfield, MO
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:05 PM, dj45 wrote:erate
> <daniel-stanton1@comcast.net>
>
> Bob McC
> That entry was on June 2nd.
> I did receive an email stating that my engine would ship on tues.
> July 11.
> I hope so, because I really do think that he has a good idea.
> It is too bad that I had to resort to posting to get him to deliver an
> engine after all the talk.
>
> --------
> Do not archive
>
> Dan Stanton
> N801S CH 801
> N226BS CH701
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346000#346000
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Viking Engine |
You do know that a Lycoming will run on 91 octane as well, right?
johninreno
On 7/11/2011 8:07 PM, ronburnett@charter.net wrote:
>
> I am an Eggenfellner customer buying one of the original Subaru H-4
> engines. I am aware that there are no doubt some legitimate
> complaints about deliveries of engines and props in some cases and
> delivery schedules slid considerably in many cases. I do not believe
> any problems were deliberate, but due to overoptimistim and
> subcontracting problems as well as others I don't pretend to know.
>
> I believe his Honda engine would be excellent and I would consider one
> if I were to build a LSA. He continues to sell me needed supplies, if
> they are available in his inventory. Putting information online is
> damaging to a small business and can end up hurting the very support
> you need the most.
>
> Have flown my RV-6A for 53 hours now and am enjoying it very much.
> buying 91 octane is much cheaper than 100LL BY about $1.50/gal.
>
> Good luck and let's share our successes and help our alternative
> engine community.
>
> Ron Burnett
> M71 Greensfield, MO
>
>
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