AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Mon 07/11/11


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 04:55 AM - ADBS-B Out ()
     2. 05:15 AM - Re: Viking Engine (dj45)
     3. 05:18 AM - Re: Circuit Design Software (Harley)
     4. 05:46 AM - Re: VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
     5. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Mike Welch)
     6. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Tim Olson)
     7. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (b d)
     8. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Mike Welch)
     9. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (DeWitt (Dee) Whittington)
    10. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    11. 07:57 AM - Re: Circuit Design Software (Bill Watson)
    12. 03:45 PM - HD Sub-D Crimper (MLWynn@aol.com)
    13. 04:10 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Stein Bruch)
    14. 04:43 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (MLWynn@aol.com)
    15. 04:53 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bob McCallum)
    16. 05:26 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert Sultzbach)
    17. 05:43 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bill Bradburry)
    18. 06:11 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bob McCallum)
    19. 06:32 PM - Re: Viking Engine (Bob McCallum)
    20. 06:35 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert Borger)
    21. 06:38 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
    22. 07:10 PM - Re: Viking Engine (dj45)
    23. 07:10 PM - Re: HD Sub-D Crimper (Bill Watson)
    24. 07:17 PM - Re: Viking Engine (Bill Watson)
    25. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (ronburnett@charter.net)
    26. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Viking Engine (John Morgensen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:55:54 AM PST US
    From: <bakerocb@cox.net>
    Subject: ADBS-B Out
    7/11/2011 Hello Robert Taylor, You wrote: 1) "...... my paperwork does not indicate that I am the "manufacturer". My bad." Thank you for your response and for confiming that information. 2) "....... I do think that I can put whatever equipment I wish into my aircraft." Almost true, but see these words extracted from the introduction to the attached table: "However, depending upon other portions of the FAR's, some items in certain circumstances must not only be installed in experimental amateur built aircraft, but must interface properly with ATC (Air Traffic Control) equipment, other aircraft, or other entities external to the aircraft. Altitude encoders, Transponders, communication radios, exterior lighting, some IFR navigation equipment, and ELT's (Emergency Locator Transmitters) are examples of such equipment." If equipment that must interface properly with entities external to the aircraft has been installed in the E-AB aircraft and the FAA requires equipment markings (such as a TSO), or, alternatively, testing to prove proper functioning, and the equipment installed does not interface properly, or is not properly marked, or has not been tested to the FAA's satisfaction, then they can demand that the aircraft not operate with that equipment. 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge." ========================================================== Time: 12:47:06 PM PST US From: "Robert Taylor" <Flydad57@neo.rr.com> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ADBS-B Out Just to close the loop regarding some comments I made the other day, my paperwork does not indicate that I am the "manufacturer". My bad. It DOES show the MAKE of my aircraft to be a Taylor, Robert D.. That's what lead me to think it said I was the manufacturer. I was not looking to be the maufacturer in order to gleen some advantage via the regulations, I just thought (mistakenly) that that was what the paperwork said. Regardless the above, I do think that I can put whatever equipment I wish into my aircraft. Bob Taylor TigerCub N657RT


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    Time: 05:15:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    From: "dj45" <daniel-stanton1@comcast.net>
    Rick, Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the better. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N801S CH 801 N226BS CH701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345888#345888


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    Time: 05:18:38 AM PST US
    From: Harley <harley@AgelessWings.com>
    Subject: Re: Circuit Design Software
    Morning, John... As Bob said, there are many! And there are some open source free ones out there as well. And they are all different in their commands and useability. I started with Generic Cadd at work back in the early '80s because the pharmaceutical company I worked for didn't have any IT department then and I had to buy my own computer and software...Gcadd was cheap then ($99). After a few years, when they started supplying Autocad at work, I stuck with GCadd so as not to have to learn something new. My work (production equipment and control design) was not involved with the building engineering where the Autocad was used, so I was allowed to do so. I liked GCADD better than Autocad anyway, as I could work faster...GCADD used two letter commands for the drawing options as well as the standard icons or menu options that one had to hunt down to select. It was fast and easy with the left hand doing the selecting on the keyboard and the right doing the drawing with the trackball. So, I've stuck with it through the years. Generic Cadd is now Visual CADD and works the same way. I would never change now. So, find one that you can use and like (for example, Visual Cadd, www.tritools.com , has full function demo for 30 days then you can either just drop it or buy it...I believe many others do as well.) Or select one of the open source freebies ( for example, http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ ) Note that most of them will be able to use the symbols you need. Although their are differences, the format is pretty standard and can be found all over the internet for downloading ( www.caddprimer.com/CAD_Symbols_symbol_library/CAD_symbol_symbols_library.htm ). Or, as Bob said, just open any of his drawings and extract the symbols. Or, as I do, just make your own...any item you draw in Cad can be saved as a symbol. They all have their own level of difficulty, but once you've learned what you need to know about one of them, the rest are easier...so start with one, learn what you can, then try a few others until you find one that you like. Harley ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > HI all, > > Anyone suggest easy to use CAD software? One that has the > appropriate symbols (Starter Relays etc). > > Cheers > > John MacCallum > > Builder # 41016 > > VH-DUU > > ** >


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    Time: 05:46:50 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question
    At 09:26 PM 7/10/2011, you wrote: >Bob, > >I understand and appreciate your comments, but you didn't address my >questions regarding Option 3. I understand your opinion on >KISS. But I was attempting to understand is there are any negative >attributes with having two current paths when the aux battery >contactor is closed on Option 3? I believe I understand the >complexities and how to perform for a Plan B. > >My concern for option 1, is that I will never truly know the state >of both batteries since they both are online. I only want to link >both batteries for occasional starts in cold weather when I may need >a stronger battery. So 99% of the time, I'll leave the battery >isolated. I then need a mechanism to ensure that the Aux battery is charged. There is no better way to charge multiple batteries than to hook them in parallel. Why isolated? The battery will be happier if it's used right along side the main battery. >I understand that I truly will never know the exact length the aux >battery will last, but I will know that I can get x% of its rated >value. Then it's just a question of how conservative I want to be >with the numbers. In reality, it's head for the nearest airport and >stop the flight even though I know I may have longer time on the aux battery. If you don't know the capacity of your batteries, then you don't have a Plan-B. Having a confident Plan-B means that you've periodically confirmed the capacity of both batteries and compared those numbers with Plan-B energy requirements for endurance. If your plan is to land at nearest airport, then a single battery of known capacity will suffice. You're going to be carrying around a lot of lead and plastic to satisfy a purpose that a reasonably maintained main battery will do nicely. Option 3 would put some degree of charge on the second battery . . . slightly less than the main battery due to diode drop. My personal preference would be to run both batteries in parallel all the time. Separate them to specific predictable tasks when you get a low volts warning. But since your design goals do not call for endurance to airport of intended destination, perhaps the second battery is overkill. Bob . . . > >Thanks, > >Bob > > >Description: Description: http://aerosportproducts.com/bob/Opti > > >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >Robert L. Nuckolls, III >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:41 PM >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: VPX Pro - Dual Battery Configuration Question > > >My requirements are: > * Ability to have both batteries on main bus for additional cold > cranking capability > * Ability to isolate the second battery to the endurance battery bus > * Ability to charge the isolated battery > > >In looking at the recommendations in the Vertical Power manual, Dual >battery Option #1 meets the first two requirements. Option #2 meets >the last two requirements. So my question is will a hybrid design, >like Option #3 meet all requirements? Are there any negative >attributes with having two current paths when the aux battery >contactor is closed? > > > Option 1 is the simplest way to add a second > battery which is why it is featured in Figure Z-30. > If you want to a battery maintainer for both > batteries, a maintainer plug that puts the > two batteries in parallel for storage takes > care of the 'charging' issue. > > You need to think through the failure modes > and the precise way in which the duties of the > two batteries are partitioned during an alternator > out condition. Do an energy study for the two > duties and make sure the batteries are sized for > your endurance goals (x number electro whizzies for > y hours of operation) assuming also that you're going > to periodically cap-check the two batteries for > insuring those goals are achievable. > > The precise manner in which you add the second battery > is not terribly important. The care with which you > craft and maintain Plan-B is very important. This > pre-supposes that your engine is electrically dependent > and/or you're going to spend a lot of time in situations > were the dark panel syndrome causes you to break a > sweat. > > Given the way 99% of OBAM aviation flights are conducted, > and assuming that you have one mag on the engine, then > Plan-B might be something like this . . . > ><http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/Vacination_for_Dark_Panel_Syndrom.pdf>http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Misc/Vacination_for_Dark_Panel_Syndrom.pdf > > > for a whole lot less weight, a ton more reliability > and lower cost of ownership. This has been my personal > Plan-B over the last 30 years and 1000+ hours. It > works good every time and in any airplane I rent. > > > Bob . . .. > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com > Bob . . .


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    Time: 05:59:54 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    > Rick=2C > Fine by me=2C the more guys that know what they are getting into the bett er. > > -------- > Do not archive > > Dan Stanton > N801S CH 801 > N226BS CH701 Dan=2C Rick=2C members=2C With the way the economy has been lately=2C but sometimes during good tim es=2C too=2C some disreputable company's go out of business=2C with the specific intent on stealing buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full)=2C for a product they never intended on delivering. How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's doo rs=2C but not without first taking dozens of poor=2C unsuspecting buyer's multi-thou sand dollar deposits?? Way too often=2C if you ask me. IMO=2C these thieves should be prosecuted =2C their assets taken=2C and the buyer's deposits fully refunded. I am not making a direct comment toward Viking=2C I know NOTHING about th e company itself=2C but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS before you get your product=2C is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building match books or 777's=2C payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the unscrupulo us owner of the business to just take the customer's $$$ and run! For me=2C if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future=2C I would ONLY use an "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected transact ion=2C or they don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times=2C and I dar n sure intend on keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!" Okay=2C I'll get off my soapbox now. Mike Welch


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    Time: 06:17:58 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    Man, this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard of a while back with a different engine company. That one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM, Mike Welch wrote: > > > > Rick, > > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the > better. > > > > -------- > > Do not archive > > > > Dan Stanton > > N801S CH 801 > > N226BS CH701 > > Dan, Rick, members, > > With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good > times, too, > some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent > on stealing > buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full), > for a product > they never intended on delivering. > > How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's > doors, but > not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's > multi-thousand dollar deposits?? > Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted, > their assets taken, > and the buyer's deposits fully refunded. > > _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_, I know NOTHING about > the company itself, > but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS > before you get your > product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building > matchbooks or 777's, > payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the > unscrupulous owner of the > business to just take the customer's $$$ and run! > > For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I > would ONLY use an > "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected > transaction, or they > don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I > darn sure intend on > keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!" > > Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. > > Mike Welch > > * > > > *


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    Time: 06:28:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com>
    The idea of using an Escrow Company is very sound and prudent advice. This company sounds like it has a great idea almost perfected but it's using peoples deposits for continued R&D to get across the "Start line" which is not right. I hope this company get's some investors and continues with it's ideas but the way they appear to be going about it will only serve to shut their doors and make enemies. If they start with a bad reputation, they are self defeating. Positive advertisement and marketing is very expensive and very inefficient however negative advertisement expands and propagates like a wild fire in the Santa Anna winds. I like their idea and we need good engines for small aircraft but they need to be upfront and honest or they will be shooting themselves in the foot. My FYI or CYA suggestion to Viking is to get ahead of this negativism, make things right and move on. I like what I see so far but "negative advertisement" can destroy a great idea. Great innovators are not always great communicators or business people. I know from my own experiences. I've seen comments on other lists as well so , , , , . bruce On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Rick, > > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the > better. > > > > -------- > > Do not archive > > > > Dan Stanton > > N801S CH 801 > > N226BS CH701 > > Dan, Rick, members, > > With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good > times, too, > some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent on > stealing > buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full), > for a product > they never intended on delivering. > > How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's > doors, but > not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's > multi-thousand dollar deposits?? > Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted, > their assets taken, > and the buyer's deposits fully refunded. > > *I am not making a direct comment toward Viking*, I know NOTHING about > the company itself, > but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS before > you get your > product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building > matchbooks or 777's, > payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the > unscrupulous owner of the > business to just take the customer's $$$ and run! > > For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I > would ONLY use an > "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected > transaction, or they > don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I darn > sure intend on > keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!" > > Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. > > Mike Welch > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 06:37:50 AM PST US
    From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    Tim=2C Interesting how Dan says he just off the phone with "Jan". Like I said =2C I know nothing about Viking engines=2C but I am familiar with "Jan Eggenfellner". Maybe Jan E. needed another 'bite at the customer's apple' for some more deposit mone y. If this is so=2C it's too bad. It sure does look like a quality auto con version engine=2C but the product alone is never the whole enchilada....you have to have an hones t business that you're dealing with=2C too=2C or what Dan is experiencing is what you get. Mike > > Man=2C this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard > of a while back with a different engine company. That > one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM=2C Mike Welch wrote: > > > > > > > Rick=2C > > > Fine by me=2C the more guys that know what they are getting into the > > better. > > > > > > -------- > > > Do not archive > > > > > > Dan Stanton > > > N801S CH 801 > > > N226BS CH701 > > > > Dan=2C Rick=2C members=2C > > > > With the way the economy has been lately=2C but sometimes during good > > times=2C too=2C > > some disreputable company's go out of business=2C with the specific int ent > > on stealing > > buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full) =2C > > for a product > > they never intended on delivering. > > > > How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's > > doors=2C but > > not without first taking dozens of poor=2C unsuspecting buyer's > > multi-thousand dollar deposits?? > > Way too often=2C if you ask me. IMO=2C these thieves should be prosecut ed=2C > > their assets taken=2C > > and the buyer's deposits fully refunded. > > > > _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_=2C I know NOTHING abou t > > the company itself=2C > > but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS > > before you get your > > product=2C is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building > > matchbooks or 777's=2C > > payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the > > unscrupulous owner of the > > business to just take the customer's $$$ and run! > > > > For me=2C if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future =2C I > > would ONLY use an > > "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected > > transaction=2C or they > > don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times=2C and I > > darn sure intend on > > keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!" > > > > Okay=2C I'll get off my soapbox now. > > > > Mike Welch > > > > * > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 06:50:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    From: "DeWitt (Dee) Whittington" <dee.whittington@gmail.com>
    The Jan Eggenfellner of Eggenfellner Subaru Engines is the one and same person as the owner of Viking Engines. Look carefully at his web site "Contact" page: http://www.vikingaircraftengines.com/contact/Contacts.html AND http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/contact/Contact.html. Dee On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote: > > Man, this seems reminiscent of another situation I heard > of a while back with a different engine company. That > one was Eggenfellner Engines or something like that. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 7/11/2011 7:55 AM, Mike Welch wrote: > >> >> >> > Rick, >> > Fine by me, the more guys that know what they are getting into the >> better. >> > >> > -------- >> > Do not archive >> > >> > Dan Stanton >> > N801S CH 801 >> > N226BS CH701 >> >> Dan, Rick, members, >> >> With the way the economy has been lately, but sometimes during good >> times, too, >> some disreputable company's go out of business, with the specific intent >> on stealing >> buyers deposit money (and sometimes the buyer's entire payment in full), >> for a product >> they never intended on delivering. >> >> How many times have we heard of "such and such " company closing it's >> doors, but >> not without first taking dozens of poor, unsuspecting buyer's >> multi-thousand dollar deposits?? >> Way too often, if you ask me. IMO, these thieves should be prosecuted, >> their assets taken, >> and the buyer's deposits fully refunded. >> >> _I am not making a direct comment toward Viking_, I know NOTHING about >> the company itself, >> but I will say that ANY company that requires payment in full MONTHS >> before you get your >> product, is a LOSER company!! I don't care whether you're building >> matchbooks or 777's, >> payment in full before the product is delivered is prime for the >> unscrupulous owner of the >> business to just take the customer's $$$ and run! >> >> For me, if I were going to buy a fairly expensive item in the future, I >> would ONLY use an >> "ESCROW company". The seller either agrees to an escrow protected >> transaction, or they >> don't get MY business!! I've been screwed over very few times, and I >> darn sure intend on >> keeping it that way. My motto from now on is "Escrow way or no way!" >> >> Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. >> >> Mike Welch >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > -- DeWitt Whittington www.VirginiaFlyIn.org Building Glasair Sportsman with 3 partners


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    Time: 07:30:25 AM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    These stories go waaaayyyyy back. One Jim Bede was a hot number operating out of Newton, KS when I was in high school. I think Bert Rutan worked with Jim at one time. The airplanes were exciting but the business model was a financial disaster. Interesting thing is, he cranked up again in St. Louis with a jet and repeated the process all over again. Sounds like that's what Viking is all about. Caveat emptor. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:57:19 AM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Circuit Design Software
    If you are just looking for something to document your electrical system, you might consider ExpressSCH: http://www.expresspcb.com/expresspcbhtm/download.htm It appears to be free software that can be used to design custom boards. I used just the SCHematic part to document my entire electrical system. It doesn't have most of the components (symbols) we use in our aircraft but I found it pretty easy to create my own. It has just enough 'smarts' to act like a electrical schematic tool should, rather than a drawing tool. A long way from a CAD program but a step closer to what you might want than a universal drawing tool or Powerpoint. (I'd show you a sample but I'm not at home) Bill "dripping sweat all over the project" Watson On 7/10/2011 7:13 PM, John MacCallum wrote: > > HI all, > > Anyone suggest easy to use CAD software? One that has the appropriate > symbols (Starter Relays etc). > > Cheers > > John MacCallum > > Builder # 41016 > > VH-DUU > >


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    Time: 03:45:43 PM PST US
    From: MLWynn@aol.com
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA


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    Time: 04:10:22 PM PST US
    From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA


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    Time: 04:43:03 PM PST US
    From: MLWynn@aol.com
    Subject: Re: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Outstanding. I though the only option was the really high quality Daniels. I couldn't see investing that much in a professional tool for my occasional use. You realize, of course, this is why people speak so highly of your business. Regards, Michael Wynn In a message dated 7/11/2011 4:11:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stein@steinair.com writes: Don=99t go spending that much =93 I love taking your money, but that=99s just not a good deal! We=99re going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already haveit=99ll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It=99ll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn @aol.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regul ar pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for abou t $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============


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    Time: 04:53:54 PM PST US
    From: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Now that's customer service! I'd like to hope everyone will take note and remember Steinair appropriately when needing items or services which they carry. I'm not yet a customer let alone associated in any way, but sure will be if and when I need items they carry. That's the type of treatment that deserves return loyalty. Good for you Stein. Bob McC _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:26:57 PM PST US
    From: Robert Sultzbach <endspeed@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Stein, It is nice to see a classy act such as yours. I will remember this when I have electrical needs for my RV-8A. Good show! Bob Sultzbach Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:07, "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com> wrote: > Don=99t go spending that much =93 I love taking your money, bu t that=99s just not a good deal! We=99re going to send you the H igh Density die for the crimper you already haveit=99ll turn y our B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It=99ll be coming your wa y with your new goodies free of charge! > > > > Cheers, > > Stein > > > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelect ric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high densi ty sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael Wynn > > RV 8 wiring > > San Ramon, CA > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 05:43:29 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Stein, That is a class act! But I didn't realize that the RCT-3 crimper had interchangeable/replaceable dies?? Bill B _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 06:11:30 PM PST US
    From: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    I believe that it is the positioner for setting the pin depth that changes not the actual die itself. There was a thread about this very thing a short while ago, if memory serves. Bob and/or Stein can confirm. Bob McC _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:39 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Stein, That is a class act! But I didn't realize that the RCT-3 crimper had interchangeable/replaceable dies?? Bill B _____ From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Don't go spending that much - I love taking your money, but that's just not a good deal! We're going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already have.it'll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It'll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! Cheers, Stein From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: AeroElectric-List: HD Sub-D Crimper Hi all, I am upgrading a radio and am going to have to crimp a bunch of high density sub-D pins. I have a great little crimper from B&C for the regular pins, but don't have anything for the HD pins. Steinair has one for about $365. I was trying to find a less expensive way to go. Any sources? Thanks, Michael Wynn RV 8 wiring San Ramon, CA http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:32:14 PM PST US
    From: Bob McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Viking Engine
    It's interesting to note that on the Viking engine website here; http://tinyurl.com/69whowh there are photographs of engines on the shipping dock (or at least crates purporting to be engines) and it says that next weeks shipments go to Daniel Stanton, Christopher Leng, Glen Sterling, Richard Monroe and Burton Harger . I understand frustration, and certainly no customer deserves to be hung up on, but is there a chance that this dissatisfaction could be premature?? Don't know of course when that page was updated and whether or not it is current but some effort to deliver seems to be being made. Bob McC > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dj45 > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:23 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Viking Engine > <daniel-stanton1@comcast.net> > > Anyone considering a Viking engine please be advised, I have had $4,300 deposit > since Oct 28th and payment in full since May 8th and still haven't seen my engine yet. > I called Jan today and he hung up on me and all I got after that was voice mail. > I don't think that I would be ordering an engine from him. > > -------- > Do not archive > > Dan Stanton > N801S CH 801 > N226BS CH701 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345736#345736 > > > > > > > > _- > ==================================================== > ====== > _- > ==================================================== > ====== > _- > ==================================================== > ====== > _- > ==================================================== > ====== > >


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    Time: 06:35:16 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: HD Sub-D Crimper
    Stein, You have moved to the top of my electronics needs provider. Blue skie & tailwinds, Bob Borger http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 rlborger@mac.com Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jul 11, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Stein Bruch wrote: > Don=92t go spending that much ' I love taking your money, but that=92s just not a good deal! We=92re going to send you the High Density die for the crimper you already have=85it=92ll turn your B&C crimper into an HD capable crimper. It=92ll be coming your way with your new goodies free of charge! > > Cheers, > Stein >


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    Time: 06:38:25 PM PST US
    From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com>
    Subject: HD Sub-D Crimper
    At 08:08 PM 7/11/2011, you wrote: >I believe that it is the positioner for setting the pin depth that >changes not the actual die itself. There was a thread about this >very thing a short while ago, if memory serves. Bob and/or Stein can confirm. Yup, added these to my catalog several months ago as did Stein . . . Emacs! We make them here. Bob . . .


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    Time: 07:10:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    From: "dj45" <daniel-stanton1@comcast.net>
    Bob McC That entry was on June 2nd. I did receive an email stating that my engine would ship on tues. July 11. I hope so, because I really do think that he has a good idea. It is too bad that I had to resort to posting to get him to deliver an engine after all the talk. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N801S CH 801 N226BS CH701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346000#346000


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    Time: 07:10:18 PM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: HD Sub-D Crimper


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    Time: 07:17:30 PM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    Yep, I found the whole site very interesting and amazingly compelling. On 7/11/2011 9:28 PM, Bob McCallum wrote: > > *It's interesting to note that on the Viking engine website here; > http://tinyurl.com/69whowh there are photographs of engines on the > shipping dock (or at least crates purporting to be engines) and it > says that next weeks shipments go to *Daniel Stanton, Christopher > Leng, Glen Sterling, Richard Monroe and Burton Harger . > > *I understand frustration, and certainly no customer deserves to be > hung up on, but is there a chance that this dissatisfaction could be > premature??* > > *Don't know of course when that page was updated and whether or not it > is current but some effort to deliver seems to be being made. * > > ** > > *Bob McC* > > ** > > ** > >


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    Time: 08:11:38 PM PST US
    From: ronburnett@charter.net
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    I am an Eggenfellner customer buying one of the original Subaru H-4 engines. I am aware that there are no doubt some legitimate complaints about deliveries of engines and props in some cases and delivery schedules slid considerably in many cases. I do not believe any problems were deliberate, but due to overoptimistim and subcontracting problems as well as others I don't pretend to know. I believe his Honda engine would be excellent and I would consider one if I were to build a LSA. He continues to sell me needed supplies, if they are available in his inventory. Putting information online is damaging to a small business and can end up hurting the very support you need the most. Have flown my RV-6A for 53 hours now and am enjoying it very much. buying 91 octane is much cheaper than 100LL BY about $1.50/gal. Good luck and let's share our successes and help our alternative engine community. Ron Burnett M71 Greensfield, MO On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:05 PM, dj45 wrote:erate > <daniel-stanton1@comcast.net> > > Bob McC > That entry was on June 2nd. > I did receive an email stating that my engine would ship on tues. > July 11. > I hope so, because I really do think that he has a good idea. > It is too bad that I had to resort to posting to get him to deliver an > engine after all the talk. > > -------- > Do not archive > > Dan Stanton > N801S CH 801 > N226BS CH701 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346000#346000 > >


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    Time: 09:04:00 PM PST US
    From: John Morgensen <john@morgensen.com>
    Subject: Re: Viking Engine
    You do know that a Lycoming will run on 91 octane as well, right? johninreno On 7/11/2011 8:07 PM, ronburnett@charter.net wrote: > > I am an Eggenfellner customer buying one of the original Subaru H-4 > engines. I am aware that there are no doubt some legitimate > complaints about deliveries of engines and props in some cases and > delivery schedules slid considerably in many cases. I do not believe > any problems were deliberate, but due to overoptimistim and > subcontracting problems as well as others I don't pretend to know. > > I believe his Honda engine would be excellent and I would consider one > if I were to build a LSA. He continues to sell me needed supplies, if > they are available in his inventory. Putting information online is > damaging to a small business and can end up hurting the very support > you need the most. > > Have flown my RV-6A for 53 hours now and am enjoying it very much. > buying 91 octane is much cheaper than 100LL BY about $1.50/gal. > > Good luck and let's share our successes and help our alternative > engine community. > > Ron Burnett > M71 Greensfield, MO > >




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